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Arguing With Pro-RH bill Idiots on Facebook

May 24, 2011

Someone posted this link on a Facebook group called AP Crowd. The link says in part: “”Hunger is not caused by too many people sharing the land. In the Central America and Caribbean region, for example, Trinidad and Tobago show the lowest percentage of stunted children under five and Guatemala the highest (almost twelve times greater); yet Trinidad and Tobago’s cropland per person-a key indicator of human population density-is less than half that of Guatemala’s.15 Costa Rica, with only half of Honduras’ cropped acres per person, boasts a life expectancy-one indicator of nutrition-eleven years longer than that of Honduras and close to that of northern countries.”

I made the following comment: “There’s one thing that the neo-Malthusian pro-RH bill idiots missed (and that’s because of their utter ignorance of economics): Freedom and production.”

This suddenly ignited a debate with a few statist supporters of the controversial Reproductive Health bill.

A pro-government control advocate named Ruben Panganiban made the following reaction: “But then, wouldn’t it be better if fewer people competed for the same resources?”

My conversation with these idiotic statists is as follows:

  • Froilan Vincent

    “But then, wouldn’t it be better if fewer people competed for the same resources?”
  • That’s exactly what a neo-Malthusian mentality is all about. Malthus wrote his thesis at a time when the life-saving, productive, innovative technologies… that we use today were beyond man’s and Malthus’s imagination. Such a premise- that it’d be better if fewer people vied for same resources- is utterly anti-economics, and that it presumes that someone, some group of elite people or some entity has to decimate population or control its growth. By the way, “what same resources” are you talking about? That presumes that all the things we use today are the only resources available on earth. Who knows in the near future the next generation would discover new technologies that generate cheaper electricity- new ways and cheaper methods to build structures, apartments and buildings- new machines to turn trash into useful materials- new agricultural technologies to produce more crops and meat products- new machines, innovative technologies and ideas?
  • I believe that there are still unknown resources, life-saving, innovative and useful technologies, and hidden minerals that man has not yet discovered. It takes time, knowledge and men of intellectual ability to discover these untapped, hidden wealth.

    23 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban But when will it be discovered? When it will be too late?
    Shouldn’t we try controlling it now, while it can still be supported by what the earth has?
    Can’t we just hold on to population growth, until all these new resources are discovered?

    23 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    “But when will it be discovered? When it will be too late?”
  • Lol! I’d like to give you a hint. Malthus died in 1834. In1837 in London, William Cooke and Charles Wheatstone obtained a patent for a galvanic and electromagnetic telegraph. …In 1839, The Cooke and Wheatstone telegraph ran along the Great Western Railway for 18 miles from London to Slough. In 1839, French physicist – Edmund Bequerel discovered the photoelectric effect (certain materials when exposed to light produced a small electric current). In 1880, Nikola Telsa, Galileo Ferraris, and Michael von Dolivo–Dobrowolski had all developed motors using ‘alternating current’. In 1887 in New York, Nikola Telsa applied for patents for his two-phase and three-phase AC motors. In 1891 in Colorado, the first commercial AC power transmission system in America was installed in a mine. The industrial revolution, which extended from 18th century to 19th century introduced new ideas and technologies such as steam engine, flying machines, sewing machines, agricultural technologies, manufacturing, transportation, etc. Thus, rapid economic, scientific and technological developments emerged only a few years or decades after the death of Malthus? What made these changes happen? The answer is capitalism and economic freedom. The number of inventions and patents rose after the United States and Great Britain introduced INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.
  • Ruben Panganiban said: “Shouldn’t we try controlling it now, while it can still be supported by what the earth has?”
  • LOL!!! Perhaps it would be a lot BETTER to control the controllers first who know nothing but DOOMSDAY preaching. Do you know what “the earth has?”
  • “Can’t we just hold on to population growth, until all these new resources are discovered?”
  • Well, you can’t legislate both population and men’s minds. True, you can pass a law to limit population growth like what they do in China, but you cannot pass a law to make men think in order to discover things that men need. How do you propose to control population?
  • Here’s my proposal to people who think like you do Ruben Panganiban: 1.) Have the courage to undergo mass ligation (for RH bill women supporters) and mass vasectomy (for men). We, anti-RH bill people, will shoulder your medical expenses.
    2)… If you’re so worried about overpopulation, go KILL yourselves first or offer your lives to the poor and the weak until the day you die. That is, commit MASS SUICIDE as some anti-population freaks did in other countries. —->>> CONTINUE READING https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/a-friendly-letter-to-all-pro-rh-bill-freaks/See More
    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    I know what the earth has right now, and unless we find better ways to use it. There should be at least an effort to reduce people’s impact on the environment. I actually don’t like humans as a species so, its not really for economic reaso…ns that I want the human population to be reduced.

    Based on the analogy, Malthus=pro-rh, when he died=development.
    So. Pro-rh people, when they die. Is it assured that there will be development?

    Science as it is now is developing very fast. But when will it be available to everyone?
    do you also know what the earth has?
    I for one know it has resources capable of recovering but at the obvious rate at which it is obliterated, the planet can not simply naturally keep up with it.See More

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky Why need money when you already have the natural resources around you which can be used as currency.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky

    Financial liberalisation has effects well beyond the economy. It has long been understood that it is a powerful weapon against democracy. Free capital movement creates what some have called a “virtual parliament” of investors and lenders, w…ho closely monitor government programmes and “vote” against them if they are considered irrational: for the benefit of people, rather than concentrated private power.

    Investors and lenders can “vote” by capital flight, attacks on currencies and other devices offered by financial liberalisation. That is one reason why the Bretton Woods system established by the United States and Britain after the second World War instituted capital controls and regulated currencies.*

    The Great Depression and the war had aroused powerful radical democratic currents, ranging from the anti-fascist resistance to working class organisation. These pressures made it necessary to permit social democratic policies. The Bretton Woods system was designed in part to create a space for government action responding to public will – for some measure of democracy.See More

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky

    In the United States, the political system is a very marginal affair. There are two parties, so-called, but they’re really factions of the same party, the Business Party. Both represent some range of business interests. In fact, they can ch…ange their positions 180 degrees, and nobody even notices. In the 1984 election, for example, there was actually an issue, which often there isn’t. The issue was Keynesian growth versus fiscal conservatism. The Republicans were the party of Keynesian growth: big spending, deficits, and so on. The Democrats were the party of fiscal conservatism: watch the money supply, worry about the deficits, et cetera. Now, I didn’t see a single comment pointing out that the two parties had completely reversed their traditional positions. Traditionally, the Democrats are the party of Keynesian growth, and the Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism. So doesn’t it strike you that something must have happened? Well, actually, it makes sense. Both parties are essentially the same party. The only question is how coalitions of investors have shifted around on tactical issues now and then. As they do, the parties shift to opposite positions, within a narrow spectrum.
    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky

    Modern industrial civilization has developed within a certain system of convenient myths. The driving force of modern industrial civilization has been individual material gain, which is accepted as legitimate, even praiseworthy, on the grou…nds that private vices yield public benefits, in the classic formulation. Now, it has long been understood, very well, that a society that is based on this principle will destroy itself in time. It can only persist, with whatever suffering and injustice that it entails, as long as it is possible to pretend that the destructive forces that humans create are limited, that the world is an infinite resource, and that the world is an infinite garbage can. At this current stage of history either one of two things is possible. Either the general population will take control of its own destiny and will concern itself with community interests, guided by values of solidarity, sympathy and concern for others, or alternatively there will be no destiny for anyone to control. As long as some specialized class is in a position of authority, it is going to set policy in the special interests that it serves. But the conditions of survival, let alone justice, require rational social planning in the interests of the community as a whole, and by now that means the global community. The question is whether privileged elite should dominate mass communication and should use this power as they tell us they must — namely to impose necessary illusions, to manipulate and deceive the stupid majority and remove them from the public arena. The question in brief, is whether democracy and freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided. In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than values to be treasured; they may well be essential to survival.

Take note that Noah Cupsky merely plagiarized his rants. They all came from Noam Chomsky, one of America’s most famous anti-American educated idiots. His rants about “financial liberalization” came from this site. His rants about the “very marginal affair political system” in the US was lifted from this site, while his polemic against “modern industrial civilization” was copied from this another Noam Chomsky site.

A Facebooker commented on Noah Cupsky’s plagiarized rants.

  • Jet M. Tan

    Noah Cupsky said: “In the 1984 election, for example, there was actually an issue, which often there isn’t. The issue was Keynesian growth versus fiscal conservatism. The Republicans were the party of Keynesian growth: big spending, deficit…s, and so on. The Democrats were the party of fiscal conservatism: watch the money supply, worry about the deficits, et cetera. Now, I didn’t see a single comment pointing out that the two parties had completely reversed their traditional positions. Traditionally, the Democrats are the party of Keynesian growth, and the Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism.” This is the most ill-informed piece I’ve ever seen on this thread. To say that the democrats were fiscal conservatives is to claim that Obama care about less government spending. That’s a lie. It’s also wrong to claim that the republicans were Keynesians. Both were/are Keynesians. But the theory favored by the Democrats is the Keynesian theory put forward by the British economist John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s and 1940s. Keynes’ theory sought to manage an economy so as to keep it on an even keel and avoiding fluctuations in the business cycle – both the booms with their rising prices and busts (recessions / depressions) with their unemployment. Keynes’ prescription for downturns in the economy was to stimulate demand by increasing government spending and/or cutting taxes. The idea was to get money into the hands of consumers so that they would begin buying, which would cause business inventories to decline and this, in turn, would cause businesses to replenish the inventories by re-hiring laid off workers and putting idle factories and machinery back into production. @ Noah Cupsky, get your facts first before posting moronic comments…See More
    34 minutes ago ·
  • Jet M. Tan ‎@ Noah Cupsky, you’re a moron… you simply copied or PLAGIARISED ALL your rants from America’s witch-doctor Noam Chomsky. No wonder why your info is so ignorant, misleading and moronic… http://liberationfrequency.tumblr.com/post/3921684718/in-the-united-states-the-political-system-is-a

  • 22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    Ruben Panganiban said: “I know what the earth has right now, and unless we find better ways to use it.”
  • What do you know? Perhaps the things you know are the given, like the elements listed in the periodic table. But do you know how to turn these elements into wealth or things that man needs? Do you know how to transform these materials or elements into a new discovery that we need? You said: “I actually don’t like humans as a species so, its not really for economic reasons that I want the human population to be reduced.” Then kill yourself. This could be a strategic way (ala Poe’s law) to make us think you’re not an idiot. But you are. You said: “Based on the analogy, Malthus=pro-rh, when he died=development.” — That’s a non sequitor and your failure to understand my reply. Development didn’t occur due to Malthus’s death. Like I said, inventions and discoveries occurred due to capitalism and the introduction of IP rights (patent law, copyright, etc.). You said: “So. Pro-rh people, when they die. Is it assured that there will be development?” — I don’t know. But it could help.
    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky Capitalist retard = Froilan Vincent

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    Ruben Panganiban said: “Science as it is now is developing very fast. But when will it be available to everyone?” — It will be available to anyone if people like you stop trusting in the interventionist power of the government. Regulations and government controls hamper economic and technological development. It’s because of IDIOTIC PEOPLE like you. So why is it that Microsoft’s nuclear reactor that could generate cheaper and safer electricity will never be made available in the Philippines? It’s because of protectionism in RP. It’s because our Constitution bars foreigners from investing in RP without letting the government or Filipinos to own at least 60 percent of the venture. Why is it that drugs, electronic goods, cars, farm technologies, construction materials, etc. are expensive and inaccessible to millions of pinoys? It’s because of protectionism, high tariff and taxes. Why is it that too many pinoys are jobless? It’s because foreigners are barred from investing in RP without complying with the 60-40 ownership ratio, and because of too much government regulations and interventions which STUPID people like you support.
  • So Ruben Panganiban, kindly tell us how do you propose to curb or limit population in RP?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    You also don’t understand.
    “Unless we find better ways to use them” ? Because as of the moment, we are using them primitively. Still producing more waste.

    Calling me an idiot just because I’m more into contradicting your opinion does not com…pute ^^.

    Inventions and discoveries were made because science was primitive, Much was to be discovered during those times. Wouldn’t you agree? Though much is left to be discovered today, the problems we are facing now are not as simple as they were back then.

    “I don’t like people as a species”
    reduce what is already there, not eliminate what already is. ^^See More

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky THEN ABOLISH THE STATE. THIS COUNTRY IS WELL OFF BY DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN NATIONS. THE FOREFATHERS OF THIS NATION MADE A MISTAKE BY ADVOCATING INDEPENDENCE OVER FOREIGN CONTROL.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban Why are we into protectionism by the way ^^, The topic was population. I know the government is a huge topic to tackle. But bringing in things that will only cloud the topic creates more unnecessary discussions. Just like this one I am writing in reply.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent Read my reply to your science above, Ruben Panganiban. You said: “Inventions and discoveries were made because science was primitive, Much was to be discovered during those times. Wouldn’t you agree?” — you’re the one who has a HIGHLY PRIMITIVE mentality here…

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban By the way, who said I was into 60-40?
    Did you assume that just because I support the RH bill?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky ‎@Froilan Vincent: PLANT TREES FIRST BEFORE YOU PROPOSE YOUR OWN WAY IN CURBING UP POPULATION.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan VincentRuben Panganiban said: “Why are we into protectionism by the way.” — I’m simply responding to your statement about the non-availability of technologies in RP. So why do you think they’re not available to some people?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky ‎@Froilan Vincent: YOU’RE JUST A CAPITALIST MONKEY WHO HAS THE LOWEST MENTALITY HERE.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    My mentality primitive? Its yours that is naive.
    Tell me how you can change the current reality in a heart beat. You can’t. You live too far off in the future. You talk of things that are yet to come. What I want is immediate effects.
    Reduc…ing the population via mass suicide of Pro-rh bill supporters is one path to take. But it would affect the country. So I’m going for the slow reduction instead of instantaneous decline in population.See More
  • Froilan Vincent Your not responding to my statements, Ruben Panganiban. I asked: Why is it that some technologies are not available to some people? And how would you propose to control population?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky Go back to your damn mother’s womb Froi. Your existence is just vague and insignificant.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent ‎@noah cupsky, I don’t want to respond to a TROLL or SOCKPUPPET, unless you have some sound and sane arguments to make…

    22 hours ago ·
  • Noah Cupsky You’re the one that is insane here Froi. You’re just another agent of those capitalist idiots living in the US.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent Lol! Ruben Panganiban/Noah Cupsky, why not answer these questions: Why is it that some technologies are not available to some people? And how would you propose to control population?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    I can not respond to your statements because I’m too slow ^^. Thats why.

    Let us get back to the topic.
    1. Why is technology not available to people.
    • Is it easy to make?
    …• Can it be mass produced?
    • Is it cheap to produce?
    • Do the masses know how to use it?

    2. Control Population
    • One child policy? Except to those who can afford. Using income and financial stability as basis to how many children people can have.
    • Promote being homosexual. Let them adopt all those children in slums. There is a reason why homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon in the animal kingdom. Because having two males provide for one ospring can raise its chances of survival.
    • Why don’t you contribute too? I ran out of ideas.See More

    22 hours ago · ·  1 personNoah Cupsky likes this.
  • Noah Cupsky ‎@Froilan Vincent. BRING YOUR OWN CAPITALIST FRIENDS AND LET THEM DOMINATE THIS NATION FOR GOD’S SAKE.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan VincentRuben Panganiban said: “I can not respond to your statements because I’m too slow ^^.” — Of course you’re “too slow” because of your primitive mentality. You still follow the teachings of a primitive man, Malthus.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban Yes I am slow, but did I answer your question?
    Challenge accepted ^^

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    You asked: “Why is technology not available to people.” — I answered that already. I said: “It will be available to anyone if people like you stop trusting in the interventionist power of the government. Regulatio…ns and government cont…rols hamper economic and technological development. It’s because of IDIOTIC PEOPLE like you. So why is it that Microsoft’s nuclear reactor that could generate cheaper and safer electricity will never be made available in the Philippines? It’s because of protectionism in RP. It’s because our Constitution bar foreigners from investing in RP without letting the government or Filipinos to own at least 60 percent of the venture. Why is it that drugs, electronic goods, cars, farm technologies, construction materials, etc. are expensive and inaccessible to millions of pinoys? It’s because of protectionism, high tariff and taxes. Why is it that too many pinoys are jobless? It’s because foreigners are barred from investing in RP without complying with the 60-40 ownership ratio, and because of too much government regulations and interventions which STUPID people like you support.”
    22 hours ago · ·  1 personRichard Ryan Cruz likes this.
  • Ruben Panganiban By the way froilan,
    Where in my answer did I mention the government as a requisite to attaining the advancements of science??

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    ‎1. Why is technology not available to people.
    • Is it easy to make?
    • Can it be mass produced?
    • Is it cheap to produce?
    • Do the masses know how to use it?

    SEE NO MENTION OF GOVERNMENT WHATSOEVER.
    so stop babbling about the government, I can blame the government for anything i want, I also don’t like our constitution.See More
    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    You asked:
    Is it easy to make? — That’s the problem of inventors and manufacturers who produce the things we need.
    Can it be mass produced? — That’s the role of a venture capitalist or manufacturer. All things that people need can b…e mass produced.
    • Is it cheap to produce? — It depends upon the material and products.
    Do the masses know how to use it? —- It depends upon the knowledge of consumers and if they want to buy the product.
    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban So why attack the government?

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban You misdirect your anger, and assume too many things. ^^

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    Ruben Panganiban said: ”
    “One child policy? Except to those who can afford. Using income and financial stability as basis to how many children people can have.” —– Then kill yourself first or go to China.
    “Promote being homosexual. Let them adopt all those children in slums. There is a reason why homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon in the animal kingdom.” — Sisters and gays will support you. You have all the freedom to promote it.
    “Why don’t you contribute too? I ran out of ideas.” — What do you think I’m doing?See More
    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan VincentRuben Panganiban, go on. It’s like I’m talking to a person who just got out from a mental hospital…

    22 hours ago ·
  • Froilan VincentRuben Panganiban asked: “So why attack the government?” — In what way? I’d like to know.

    22 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    Ahahahah ^^,
    Froilan, again your anger is misdirected.

    Isn’t it practical for couples to take into account their own personal finances before they venture into child rearing? If you are a capitalist. Then you should know the basic expenditure… it takes to successfully raise a child. Since you are also an economist, then you should know to plan carefully this decision. Killing myself is also not far off in the future, I’ll take that into account as further proof of my unstable mentality. ^^

    You aren’t attacking the government? The way that both of us don’t like 60/40 or its protectionist laws isn’t clear indication of how much we hate its policies?

    Me in a mental hospital ^^, you talking positively about the future is being hypocritical of my mental condition.See More

    21 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    Ruben Panganiban said: “Froilan, again your anger is misdirected.” — Lol! Please don’t misdirect your anger at me…
    You said: “Isn’t it practical for couples to take into account their own personal finances before they venture into child… rearing?” — That’s their choice. You want to government to teach them how to “take into account their own personal finances before they venture into child rearing”?

    “If you are a capitalist. Then you should know the basic expenditure it takes to successfully raise a child.”
    —- Capitalism is the opposite of socialism. If you’re trying to say that a capitalist is a businessman, then you’re wrong. A capitalist is someone who adheres to capitalism or capitalist ideology. About the expenditure, that’s what every parent should take into account and decide about. Unless you want the government to teach parents how to compute or determine this “basic expenditure it takes to successfully raise a child.”

    “Since you are also an economist, then you should know to plan carefully this decision.” — I didn’t say I’m an economist. Every parent has the freedom to plan carefully his/her own decision. Unless you want the government to do the planning… just like CENTRAL PLANNING.

    You said: “Killing myself is also not far off in the future, I’ll take that into account as further proof of my unstable mentality. ^^” — At least you’re going to make a heroic, good contribution to mankind. Walk your talk, comrade…

    “You aren’t attacking the government?” — Is it now a crime to attack the government. Isn’t all leftists attack the government? I am attacking the government’s bad and dangerous economic policies.

    “The way that both of us don’t like 60/40 or its protectionist laws isn’t clear indication of how much we hate its policies?”
    — No, you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you understand the 60-40 or protectionism, you’d understand its bad impact on the economy and people in RP.

    You said: “Me in a mental hospital ^^, you talking positively about the future is being hypocritical of my mental condition.” —- Well, congratulations. LOL!

    21 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    side note
    You don’t actually need to break down my statements, I remember them well enough. Here’s a number format so that you don’t need to copy and paste everything.

    1.Yes I want to teach people how to take into account their own finances b…efore they go into raising children. Is that bad?
    2. I’ll die eventually. No need to worry ^^
    3. Every parent has the right to make their decision about MAKING children, but it would help if they were more informed about being financially stable before HAVING them.
    4. I’m also a fan of attacking the government ^^.
    5. 60/40 and protectionism, I’ve been criticizing it ever since, you are assuming too much ^^. Ever since I came to know about it in high school.
    6. Me in a mental hospital?
    – I’m more into practicality,
    – You babbling about how great the future will be? Mental.See More

    21 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    To respond to Ruben Panganiban’s funny pointless points:
    1.”Yes I want to teach people how to take into account their own finances before they go into raising children. Is that bad?”

    — First, use your own money if you really want to teach t…he people. Do not make the government the benevolent “family dictator” of every parent. Is this bad? No! If you want to take it voluntarily, that’s fine. Start your mission tomorrow, ok? Please report to us the development of your mission.

    2. “I’ll die eventually. No need to worry ^^”

    — GOOD! That’s your choice if you follow my advice: commit suicide…

    3. “Every parent has the right to make their decision about MAKING children, but it would help if they were more informed about being financially stable before HAVING them.”

    — Then INFORM the people at your own expense…

    4. “I’m also a fan of attacking the government ^^.”

    — It depends on how you attack the government. Most pinoys attack the government for not providing more freebies! I attack the government for trying to babysit its people and for too many regulations.

    5. “60/40 and protectionism, I’ve been criticizing it ever since, you are assuming too much ^^. Ever since I came to know about it in high school.”

    — How? And why is it that you don’t know the relationship between protectionism and the availability and accessibility of imported products and technologies, as well as jobs, in RP?

    6. “Me in a mental hospital?
    – I’m more into practicality,
    – You babbling about how great the future will be? Mental.”

    — As to practicality, I don’t think you’re practical enough. Don’t ever kid yourself again.See More

    21 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    ‎1. Did I mention that I’m selfish and I don’t like people in general ^^. I’m not a philanthropist. An extra class in our public systems isn’t gonna amount to too much, maybe we should remove religious education. Replace it with “planning-y…our-actual-future, rather than worrying about going to hell”.
    2. I’ll commit natural suicide.
    3. ^____^, so informing them is a bad thing when the government’s pockets are involved then?
    4. babysitting the nation isn’t part of its duties? is the government our metaphorical parent?
    5. Why do you assume that I do not know? *rolls eyes*
    6. You babbling about how great the future will be. Do you consider that practical?

    7. Curbing population now, while waiting for these so called advancements you are so adamant about. Is it practical? If not then explain.See More

    21 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    This is epic! lololol!!!

    1. Did I mention that I’m selfish and I don’t like people in general ^^. I’m not a philanthropist. An extra class in our public systems isn’t gonna amount to too much, maybe we should remove religious education. Repl…ace it with “planning-your-actual-future, rather than worrying about going to hell”.

    — Selfish in what way? Or self-destructive? You’re being funny now? So you want to help the people at the expense of others? That’s not being selfish… That’s selflessness. If that’s your own advocacy, ask yourself: who are the others? Will that not include you? Yes, you want a slave society wherein everybody is enslaved to everybody for the sake of common good.

    2. “I’ll commit natural suicide.”

    — Better heed my advice, comrade…

    3. “^____^, so informing them is a bad thing when the government’s pockets are involved then?”

    — “Government’s pockets”? You’re delusional lol! The government has no money. It’s only source of money are taxes.

    4. “babysitting the nation isn’t part of its duties? is the government our metaphorical parent?”

    — You don’t know what “babysitting” means in politics. Thus, you’re an idiot of the first order. So since according to you the government is our metaphorical parent, you want the government to feed you, clothe you, provide you housing, education, transportation, etc? What a fantastic mentality!

    5. Why do you assume that I do not know? *rolls eyes*

    — You know nothing based on your stupid statements.

    6. “You babbling about how great the future will be. Do you consider that practical?”

    — I am not babbling about “how great the future will be.” My only advocacy so to make our future great is to guarantee FREEDOM, particularly economic freedom. That’s all.

    7. “Curbing population now, while waiting for these so called advancements you are so adamant about. Is it practical? If not then explain.”

    — That’s why if you can’t wait, kill yourself or promote mass suicide. Like I said, you cannot legislate man’s mind to think and to be creative. It takes time. It takes men who are free to do their work to discover new things and technologies that people need.

    So in your own opinion, what’s the concrete, most practical and best way to control population? And are we OVERPOPULATED?

    21 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    Ruben Panganiban said: “Yes I WANT TO TEACH people how to take into account their own finances before they go into raising children. Is that bad?” —- If you WANT TO TEACH the people and offer your life to them, no problem with that! We’ll give an award for such an alruistic deed. That’s why I said: “If you want to spread sex education and other RH bill information, please have the initiative to spread them privately and at your own expense. There are parents who don’t want their kids undergo this kind of leftist/Marxist indoctrination fully supported by sociology professors (who are all Marxists) and anti-population intellectuals like Winnie Monsod. Have Winnie Monsod lead your new political party or altruist organization. You may also provide free family planning counseling to poor people who’d like to avail of your free services.” —–>>>> https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/a-friendly-letter-to-all-pro-rh-bill-freaks/See More
    21 hours ago ·
  • Ruben Panganiban

    ‎1. Slave society? When did I advocate that. Your mind is too advanced ^^, replacing religious education with planning for the future is considered slavery? assumptions?
    2. no comment, getting nowhere.
    3. The government has no money? then you… tell me its source of money is taxes? What is it then? The government has no money yet it has tax, which is still money? crazy. you were spouting about how i should use my own money, I suggest using the government’s resources. then you get hyper? so i’m assuming you don’t want to involve the government in anything that has hints of pro-rh in it ^^. Including educating people?
    4. WHAT a fantastic mentality that Canada has then? The government seems to be babysitting the nation well.
    5. Another assumption? ^^ hahaha. Still getting nowhere.
    6. Really? Then why is the rh bill such a touchy subject to you, I’ve been reading your comments and all you do is ad hominem with hints of contempt, trying to act superior and cool. Is being pro-rh too mainstream for you?
    • Economic freedom is it? Please explain what that is. I’ll admit my ignorance to its definition.
    7. Did I say we are overpopulated ^^, assumptions again.
    You just said it yourself, IT TAKES TIME, while its taking its damn sweet time to advance at its own pace. We should at least make an effort to reduce the people who are consuming what is already there, so that scientific advancement can keep up with the human consumption.

    8. Please don’t talk to me about practicality. Your visions of the future, without concrete back up of how to cope with the present is everything but practical.See More

    20 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent

    1. “Slave society? When did I advocate that. Your mind is too advanced ^^, replacing religious education with planning for the future is considered slavery? assumptions?”

    — Lol! If you’re advocating for government control, your also advoc…ating welfare state. That’s institutionalized slavery. Just like that Marxist credo: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

    2. “no comment, getting nowhere.”

    — It’s because you don’t have the mental capability to understand basic concepts…

    3. The government has no money? then you tell me its source of money is taxes? What is it then? The government has no money yet it has tax, which is still money? crazy. you were spouting about how i should use my own money, I suggest using the government’s resources. then you get hyper? so i’m assuming you don’t want to involve the government in anything that has hints of pro-rh in it ^^. Including educating people?

    — Lol! Try to consider the government’s liabilities and so-called assets. If we’re forced to pay our debts tomorrow, there’d be great DEBT CRISIS in RP that could reduce it into a stinking hellhole. With high budget deficit and government spending and corruption, the government won’t have any penny without taxing the people. Thus, the government is the worst parasite… Learn from Ms. Maggie… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nOA4G5RF0

    4. WHAT a fantastic mentality that Canada has then? The government seems to be babysitting the nation well.

    —- Canada? Well, check their income tax rates. Canada imposes a 31.2% marginal tax rate on average income worker. It’s one of the countries with highest tax rates… http://www.businesspundit.com/12-countries-with-the-highest-lowest-tax-rates/ . However, Canada is wealthier than the Philippines because of its trading partner, USA, and because it has more economic freedom, according to Doing Business dot org… It’s the top 7 in terms of “ease of doing business” http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings … And we’re ranked 148th!!! Better understand these concepts, kid.

    5. Another assumption? ^^ hahaha. Still getting nowhere.

    Translation: “I don’t have any rebuttal…”

    6. Really? Then why is the rh bill such a touchy subject to you, I’ve been reading your comments and all you do is ad hominem with hints of contempt, trying to act superior and cool. Is being pro-rh too mainstream for you?

    — Lol! Where’s the ad hominem? Calling you an idiot is justifiable because you really are an idiot… I don’t think if being a pro-RH bill is now “too mainstream.” And I don’t care.

    “• Economic freedom is it? Please explain what that is. I’ll admit my ignorance to its definition.”

    See? That explains your ignorance. All you know is about teaching the people of BS!

    The following are the known institution of economic freedom:

    1. Rule of law
    2. Private property
    3. Freedom of contract
    4. Free trade
    5. minimal government

    TEACH YOURSELF…

    7. “Did I say we are overpopulated ^^, assumptions again.
    You just said it yourself, IT TAKES TIME, while its taking its damn sweet time to advance at its own pace. We should at least make an effort to reduce the people who are consuming what is already there, so that scientific advancement can keep up with the human consumption.”

    — Did I say you claim we are “overpopulated”? I was simply asking whether we are already overpopulated or not! See? Comprehension skills matter here.

    Here’s what you said: “Curbing population now, while waiting for these so called advancements you are so adamant about. Is it practical? If not then explain.”

    If we’re not overpopulated, then why is there a need to curb population?

    If we’re not overpopulated and if there’s still a need to curb population, what do you think is the limit or ceiling point to be targeted by the government planners?

    8. “Please don’t talk to me about practicality. Your visions of the future, without concrete back up of how to cope with the present is everything but practical.”

    — Well, if you can predict the future then that’s fine. We can only speculate. To curb population and impose rules on the people because some mindless politicians are afraid of the future is the most impractical proposal I’ve ever heard…See More

    20 hours ago ·
  • Froilan Vincent This needs to be emphasized: “Your visions of the future, without concrete back up of how to cope with the present is everything but practical.” —- So what the heck is your “visions of the future with concrete backup?”

    20 hours ago ·
  • Jacobo de Vera III I think Southern Somalia is nice for certain people who don’t like the idea of government.

    19 hours ago · ·  2 people2 people like this.
  • Froilan Vincent

    “I think Southern Somalia is nice for certain people who don’t like the idea of government.” — There’s a BIG different between people who “don’t like the idea of government” and people who advocate for proper role of government. The firs…t are anarchists, while the second are pro-limited government. Here’s my take on anarchism… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/anarcho-capitalism-a-whim-worship-ideology/ and this one… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/on-anarcho-capitalism/ So please your facts and definitions first.See More
    19 hours ago ·
2 Comments leave one →
  1. YourAbigJerk permalink
    May 26, 2011 3:38

    Jerk! Your a big jerk! They are just people expressing what they thought is right, if ever they are wrong, dont call them names, like “IDIOTS”.

    Ang taong pumatol sa tanga ay tanga rin.😀

  2. Tsktsktsk permalink
    May 28, 2011 3:38

    You represent everything wrong about extremely anti-RH bill people. Just because we don’t share your views, that doesn’t mean we’re idiotic. In fact, I think it’s utter idiocy that you claim to have superior intellect over us who actually care for this nation with your condescending attitude. It’s not bad being anti-RH because we’re entitled to our own opinions, but being arrogant and blind is another thing! Wake up, dude! Get your head out of your ass!

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