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An Online Debate with an Ignoramus Filipino Statist: On RH Bill and the “Myth” of Capitalism

December 27, 2010

 

The RH bill and socialism...

The RH bill and socialism...

A Facebook friend posted my blog entitled RH Bill’s Fallacy of Overpopulation-Poverty Connection on his Facebook wall wherein someone reacted with the following comment:

“it was never about population, at least for us women, it has always been about choice; basically the choice that if men can’t be told not to stick it in, then we can still choose whether to bear their spawn or not.”

The commenter named Tet Gallardo is a passionate advocate of not only Reproduction Health bill, but of socialism as well.

To answer Tet Gallardo, I made the following comment:

The statist Filipino Freethinkers and atheist who support the RH bill claim it’s for overpopulation. The religionist supporters of the bill say it’s for informed choice. But yes, many RH bill advocates it’s for both- overpopulation and informed choice. But that simply reveal their utter IGNORANCE!
Uber-idiot Edcel Lagman’s bill states: ” Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully guaranteed by the State like the right itself.”
I say:
“We are all entitled to “informed choice.” But freedoms and rights should not clash with each other. Yes, we must have “freedom of informed choice”, which we as a people in this country already have, but we don’t have the right to ask our government to enslave some groups of people (employers and health care providers) in order to provide us our RH care needs. A right fundamentally means “a right of action” or “right of action”, not a right to something. You have a right to do whatever you want to do, but you don’t have any right to use force or compulsion. An RH bill provision mandating employers (Section 17) to “provide for the free delivery” of “reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to all workers, more particularly women workers” is a violation of the rights of employers. The purpose of a CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is to settle the disputes and clash of interests between an employer and his workers. But this bill makes it MANDATORY for ALL companies and establishments, including those without CBA and unions, to provide free RH care services to their workers.”

Tet Gallardo replied: “For people with uterus we are fighting for health, for people without uterus, what are you fighting for but dominion over our bodies! Horrors!”

My reply: “You can have that “health” so long as you want to pay for it. You want affordable health care? Support free market capitalism! What you people with uterus are asking for is government-provided and financed informed choice. If that’s what you …people with uterus want, why not create or form an RH organization and pool all your money to finance your own RH bill services? If you have any brains at all, the bill is not just about informed choice. It’s primarily about more government powers to rule our lives! That’s why any scheming dictator can easily turn this country into a fascist/socialist slave pen because of STUPID/IDIOTIC people who believe that the government must provide everything they need- from education to health care to housing and food allowance. All these services were provided for by Hitler, Mossulini, Stalin and Mao. It’s all about dictatorship! I also have another suggestion: Since most of you really believed in the mythical “overpopulation” problem, why not seek mass ligation (for women) and vasectomy (for men). The medical expenses shall be shouldered by anti-RH bill people!”

Tet Gallardo tried to support his premise by trying to disparage capitalism, calling it a “myth.”

She said:

Capitalism is to health care as rice cartel is to nutrition. Perhaps you don’t know that free informed choice has always been hampered by many LGUs, the most infamous were Lina in Laguna, Atienza in Manila. I agree the government should not shoulder the cost, they should just stay out of it. But they have hampered free informed choice. And the low government intervention on making health care more accessible is the reason why our medicines are one of the highly-priced in the world. And if you’re comfortable with limited access to healthcare, that’s just you. But my guess is you are exposed to a vehement anti-RH mouth-frother who has intimidated your better sensibilities into submission and you thus take out his aggression in this debate. You must be spineless.

After learning that she’s a goddamn socialist who doesn’t know what she’s talking about, I made the following reply:

I’m sorry, ma’am, but do you ever know what you’re talking about? The rice cartel in the country is none other than the government-funded NFA. It’s time to face the utter stupidity of our leftist professors and statist economics tutors! Cartel or monopoly can never exist under a free market. All cartels and monopolies were created by the government. We have a monopoly in the power sector because of the government.

It’s you who knows NOTHING about informed choice. By the way, the bill is not simply about informed choice! That stupid and idiotic Edcel Lagman doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s one of the reasons why this country is goin’ down the drain. The bill is about more government powers. An informed choice that VIOLATES the rights of others through more taxation and the rights of employers and doctors is nothing but a MONSTROUS, EVIL IDEA!

I’m sorry to tell this but you really need some proper education.

Tet Gallardo‘s reply: “Boy, you are utterly incapable of debate without resorting to personal attacks. This only reveals your timid personality. You think the government can form cartels but you trust that a free market capitalism is not a myth. You lost me there. hahaha.”

My answer: “Some people need to be slapped with reality because of their utter stupidity. Kindly name one cartel in the Philippines caused by the free market system?  I can name you some cartels and monopolies caused by the government.

Tet Gallardo answered claiming that “there is no such thing as free market capitalism.” She believed that  capitalism “is an oxymoron… capitalism is always controlled by the powerful few.”

Then I asked Tet Gallardo of her understanding of capitalism and why she claims that “it’s an oxymoron.” Then I mentioned some of the monopolies caused by the government:

  • The independent power producers or IPP
  • Meralco
  • MWSS
  • The gambling sector and the PCSO
  • The education sector. The government funds 111 state universities and colleges
  • The health sector. The government funds hundreds of hospitals and clinics
  • The rice sector thru NFA
  • The postal service

I asked: “Kindly name a few cartels in the country caused by the free market system if you really know what you’re talking about?”

Tet Gallardo‘s answer:

You don’t see the bigger picture, boy. Capitalism is always controlled by a few, and these few will always want to control government so that they can control resources. Your so-called “free market” capitalists are rigging capitalism to their favor via government instruments. If you were as powerful as they, you would want to be in control of government. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, in that way. Those are monopolies yes, but beneath them are functional cartels, functioning as limited-access industries that are hard to penetrate because they are well-guarded by the powerful few. For instance, in the telecoms sector, you would need to be uber-rich to be competing with the GLOBE-SMART-SUN cartel. Your knowledge is in reverse. What caused the financial crisis is what Marx has been predicting — that capitalism will fall by the very conflicts within it. It is now happening. You want a democracy among competing businesses and call it “free market capitalism” but within each of the businesses (in every particular business) there is no democracy. Each business is run like Chinese hierarchical bureacracies, the leader is not elected but selected by CEOs. Whereas in the 60 years of Germany’s social market economy and in other parts of Europe, which was not as badly hit by the “Global” Financial Crisis, many companies are run in the tradition of democratic values — workers elect their bosses and own the companies — workers’ councils. www.kas.de/upload/dokumente/2010/06/60_Years_SME/lesch.pdf

My reply:

“For the past few years, the leftists and liberals have been claiming that “Capitalism is dead.” But when the big government-caused 2008 financial crisis hit, every brainless statist was claiming Capitalism was alive and that it caused the crisis!

“Capitalism is always controlled by a few, and these few will always want to control government so that they can control resources.”

This clearly shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. Let me tell you that I’m not a Johnny-come-lately when it comes to this issue.

“I advocate capitalism because it is the only economic system that is consistent with man’s rights– his right to life liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and because I want to live in a capitalist society wherein my rights and existence are respected. I cannot cover this particular argument here; it takes a full-blown article to explain why capitalism is consistent with man’s right. But I think this is self-explanatory. Only in a capitalist society can man own a private property, as well as the products of his own mind. Under a socialist or communist system, all properties are owned by the state. Can you imagine if you discovered a great invention and it would be owned by everybody or seized by the state in the name of common good? You will not profit from it, you will only reap a trophy, a token or just a cash reward or certificate from the presidium for your efforts.”

Do you believe in property rights, Ma’am? Do you believe that you have a property rights of your own house or every possession you have? Well, that’s because of the concept of free market capitalism.

You said: “The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, in that way.”

That’s purely leftist drivel. That’s wrong. Look at Hong Kong. HK is nearly a free market economy due to less government intervention despite the fact that it’s now under the Chinese control. The per capita income in HK is high compared to Philippines and other countries. In Venezuela, which is now officially a socialist state, everybody goes poorer while government officials grow richer.

This shows you know nothing about economics.

You said: ” For instance, in the telecoms sector, you would need to be uber-rich to be competing with the GLOBE-SMART-SUN cartel. Your knowledge is in reverse…”

You should know that one of the main symptoms of cartel or monopoly is high price of commodities and services. If that’s really cartel, WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE! Instead, we’re paying less!!! Don’t you get that? If these three telecoms are indeed cartel, they should be charging more. If they’re really cartel or monopolists, then I certainly love that kind of cartel. Really, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A cartel should be causing high prices. Instead, it does the OPPOSITE!

Do you understand?

Tet Gallardo‘s stupid reply: “My dear, you don’t know that our telecoms prices are one of the highest in the world. And yes, I believe in private property, but I believe in democracy within each business.”

CONTINUE…

16 Comments leave one →
  1. Jules permalink
    December 27, 2010 3:38

    I don’t quite agree with what you said:

    “STUPID/IDIOTIC people who believe that the government must provide everything they need- from education to health care to housing and food allowance”.

    Remember that we are a republic type of government where people retain supreme control over the government. That’s why we have the previlege to elect leaders to led us (not control us). We have the right to demand the necessary programs and services from the government because we were paying taxes. The money from the tax is supposed to be placed for education, health care, roads, national defense, and so on.

    A republican government can only be turned to dictatorship when people allow it or when a greedy leader use force and intimidation to take control like what Marcos did. But look what happened to him at the end. That tells you that we learned a lot from that experience and that will never happen again.

    You may want to read this:
    http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=643267&publicationSubCategoryId=63

    Also be careful when you say “you people with uterus”. Your mom has a uterus, your sister has a uterus your wife has a uterus and perhaps one of your children will have a uterus. These women needs the RH services.

  2. December 27, 2010 3:38

    I answered that here…

    https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/collective-ignorance-the-roots-of-dictatorship-and-economic-chaos/

    https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/welfare-state-the-agenda-behind-the-rh-bill/

    We are not a republic type of government. We are a democratic-republican government…

    I discussed that here… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/the-moral-base-of-the-filipino-nation-and-philippine%E2%80%99s-intellectual-bankruptcy/

    https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/video-how-a-great-nation-was-made/

    and here https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/30/constitution-framers-ignoramuses/

    As to uterus: that’s a sarcastic remark in reply to a stupid post.

  3. Jules permalink
    January 12, 2011 3:38

    Well, I tried to read your response but I can’t stand you calling people stupid….so I’m done….

    • January 12, 2011 3:38

      That simply means you’re stupid, stupid!

      • Jules permalink
        January 13, 2011 3:38

        Well, I’m getting my PhD in the US while are still stuck calling people stupid. Your arrogance tells a lot about how your parents brought you up. I feel sorry for them. For you as well. This will be my last response…

      • January 13, 2011 3:38

        A PhD in the US? Anybody can make the same claim. Oh, yes! Most post-grad students are ignoramuses and idiots… Kindly reveal your identity then…

        Oh, wait! A PhD student who doesn’t even know the correct spelling of privilege?! You missspelled it “previlege”…

        A PhD student who doesn’t even know that the Philippines is both a democratic and republican government, Not “a republic type of government.” Who doesn’t even know that if we were a “republic type of government,” your so stupid claim fatally wrong that “we have the right to demand the necessary programs and services from the government because we were paying taxes.” You are talking of a “mixed system” or a mixed economy with more government intervention like the Philippines, stupid!

        For your information, my parents never brought me up.

        PhD… Duh!

  4. Mark permalink
    May 17, 2011 3:38

    Such response for someone who considers himself mature and knowledgeable? I agree with Jules… you support free market capitalism, you support the mandate not of republic democracy but of foreign domination over national sovereignty. When the prices go up, wages remain low and the people are left with no choice but to conform to such injustice, what do you tell them? “Let the market decide!” says Winnie Monsod. You say we have a republic democratic type of government without knowing the core of democracy which almost unsurprisingly debases the very essence you seek to ennoble. Funny how you call people stupid and idiotic without even looking at the mirror. Until then, you won’t see who the biggest fool in town is.

    • May 17, 2011 3:38

      You said: “you support free market capitalism, you support the mandate not of republic democracy but of foreign domination over national sovereignty.”

      How? That’s a leftist hogwash.

      You said: “When the prices go up, wages remain low and the people are left with no choice but to conform to such injustice, what do you tell them?”

      Why do prices go up in the first place? What would you do with “low wages”? Require all employers to pay their workers beyond their capacity to pay? Where’s injustice there? And what do you think is the source of this injustice?

      You said: ” You say we have a republic democratic type of government without knowing the core of democracy which almost unsurprisingly debases the very essence you seek to ennoble. ”

      So what is the “core of democracy which almost unsurprisingly debases the very essence you seek to ennoble”? Do you know my take on “democracy”?

      • Mark permalink
        May 17, 2011 3:38

        But then again, you are despotic and I understand that none of my arguments will ever appeal to you as worthy of studying. Noynoy supports free market capitalism as well, logic should tell us that if supporting the free market is inherently good, then our country should be getting better by now. So tell me, what about the 33% of the population living below the poverty line? what about the millions of workers exploited by the dictate of cheap labor demand from first world countries? this is not democracy. And do not tell me that what I say is leftist hogwash, even without the influence of Marxist ideology, these facts I tell you will remain parts of social reality you choose to ignore in support of free market capitalism.

      • May 17, 2011 3:38

        You’re not being responsive. You are here to make a comment, and I’m here to challenge your premise.

        You said: “But then again, you are despotic and I understand that none of my arguments will ever appeal to you as worthy of studying.”

        Despotic? How? Last time I checked, it is the socialist who are despotic. Before you say something, get yourself a few pieces of evidence or link.

        You said: “Noynoy supports free market capitalism as well, logic should tell us that if supporting the free market is inherently good, then our country should be getting better by now.”

        LOL! This one takes the cake. This explains that you’re an IGNORAMUS. Since when did Noynoy say he supports free market capitalism? I thought you said free market is a “myth”? Any link to prove your claim? What do you understand about “free market capitalism”?

        You said: “So tell me, what about the 33% of the population living below the poverty line?”

        Now this is an attempt to divert the issue since you can’t answer my reply to your first comment.

        You want to know what caused “the 33% of the population living below the poverty line?” It was caused by people who share your crude, anti-conceptual mentality. It was caused by those who believe in government intervention, economic regulations, redistribution of wealth, and all statist policies of the government. Thus, it was caused by the government with the support of the people. It was caused by the lack of economic freedom in the Philippines. I hope you know what that means.

        You said: ” this is not democracy.”

        Do you understand the proper concept of democracy?

        You said: “nd do not tell me that what I say is leftist hogwash, even without the influence of Marxist ideology, these facts I tell you will remain parts of social reality you choose to ignore in support of free market capitalism.”

        This is the most tragic part of it. Did Karl Marx invent leftist or socialism? A lot of people aren’t even aware they embrace leftism.

  5. Mark permalink
    May 17, 2011 3:38

    And I would just like to add that the “free market” you so religiously support is a myth. Nevertheless, there is no point in arguing with someone who does not see the manifestations of monopoly capitalism when it has been under his nose for the longest time. Blind as you are to the reality of times, socialism should not be understood in the light of black propaganda. Study the mechanisms that undergo the mode of production in socialist societies and you will learn of equality, you will learn of the mandate of national democracy. A word of advice, do not bombard yourself with despotic arguments against socialism. Waking up in a world like this does not necessarily mean we have to spend every night sleeping over the fact that we are exploited. We ought not to resort to apathy, rather we must strive for a better society. The capitalist mode of production has served its purpose in replacing the feudal system before it, and now is the time for society to shed its skin. Change society, serve the people!

    • May 17, 2011 3:38

      You said: “And I would just like to add that the “free market” you so religiously support is a myth.”

      That’s what Tet Gallardo said. But when the 2008 economic downturn hit, every socialist/leftist in America and other countries blamed free market capitalism.

      And why do you think it’s a myth? What makes it a myth? Socialism?

      You said: “Nevertheless, there is no point in arguing with someone who does not see the manifestations of monopoly capitalism when it has been under his nose for the longest time.”

      Lol! Well, there’s no point in arguing with an ignoramus. You talked about “monopoly capitalism”. Kindly name any monopoly in the Philippines caused by capitalism? Does that not contradict your statement that “free market” is a “myth”? It seems that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Free market system and capitalism are synonymous. Others call it “free market capitalism.”

  6. Mark permalink
    May 17, 2011 3:38

    Stating the myth of free market capitalism together with the existence of monopoly capitalism is not a form of contradiction whatsoever. Free market is a justification of the progress of capitalism to what is now called imperialism.

    • May 17, 2011 3:38

      You said: “Stating the myth of free market capitalism together with the existence of monopoly capitalism is not a form of contradiction whatsoever.”

      What then. So it’s a myth when you feel like bashing/refuting capitalism, but it’s not when you feel like blaming capitalism for all the social ills in this country? Yeah, right!

      You said: “Free market is a justification of the progress of capitalism to what is now called imperialism.”

      It seems that you don’t understand what you’re talking about. That’s the most popular leftist argument against capitalism. That has been debunked a long time ago. Where have you been? So since free market, which you regard as a myth, is “a justification of the progress of capitalism to what is now called imperialism” (according to your small mind), then it is safe to conclude that Soviet Russia, which was a socialist state, was also a free market country?

      Again, any proof to your empty, stupid claim?

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