An Online Debate with an Ignoramus Filipino Statist: On RH Bill and the “Myth” of Capitalism
A Facebook friend posted my blog entitled RH Bill’s Fallacy of Overpopulation-Poverty Connection on his Facebook wall wherein someone reacted with the following comment:
“it was never about population, at least for us women, it has always been about choice; basically the choice that if men can’t be told not to stick it in, then we can still choose whether to bear their spawn or not.”
The commenter named Tet Gallardo is a passionate advocate of not only Reproduction Health bill, but of socialism as well.
To answer Tet Gallardo, I made the following comment:
The statist Filipino Freethinkers and atheist who support the RH bill claim it’s for overpopulation. The religionist supporters of the bill say it’s for informed choice. But yes, many RH bill advocates it’s for both- overpopulation and informed choice. But that simply reveal their utter IGNORANCE!
Uber-idiot Edcel Lagman’s bill states: ” Freedom of informed choice, which is central to the exercise of any right, must be fully guaranteed by the State like the right itself.”
“We are all entitled to “informed choice.” But freedoms and rights should not clash with each other. Yes, we must have “freedom of informed choice”, which we as a people in this country already have, but we don’t have the right to ask our government to enslave some groups of people (employers and health care providers) in order to provide us our RH care needs. A right fundamentally means “a right of action” or “right of action”, not a right to something. You have a right to do whatever you want to do, but you don’t have any right to use force or compulsion. An RH bill provision mandating employers (Section 17) to “provide for the free delivery” of “reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to all workers, more particularly women workers” is a violation of the rights of employers. The purpose of a CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is to settle the disputes and clash of interests between an employer and his workers. But this bill makes it MANDATORY for ALL companies and establishments, including those without CBA and unions, to provide free RH care services to their workers.”
Tet Gallardo replied: “For people with uterus we are fighting for health, for people without uterus, what are you fighting for but dominion over our bodies! Horrors!”
My reply: “You can have that “health” so long as you want to pay for it. You want affordable health care? Support free market capitalism! What you people with uterus are asking for is government-provided and financed informed choice. If that’s what you …people with uterus want, why not create or form an RH organization and pool all your money to finance your own RH bill services? If you have any brains at all, the bill is not just about informed choice. It’s primarily about more government powers to rule our lives! That’s why any scheming dictator can easily turn this country into a fascist/socialist slave pen because of STUPID/IDIOTIC people who believe that the government must provide everything they need- from education to health care to housing and food allowance. All these services were provided for by Hitler, Mossulini, Stalin and Mao. It’s all about dictatorship! I also have another suggestion: Since most of you really believed in the mythical “overpopulation” problem, why not seek mass ligation (for women) and vasectomy (for men). The medical expenses shall be shouldered by anti-RH bill people!”
Tet Gallardo tried to support his premise by trying to disparage capitalism, calling it a “myth.”
Capitalism is to health care as rice cartel is to nutrition. Perhaps you don’t know that free informed choice has always been hampered by many LGUs, the most infamous were Lina in Laguna, Atienza in Manila. I agree the government should not shoulder the cost, they should just stay out of it. But they have hampered free informed choice. And the low government intervention on making health care more accessible is the reason why our medicines are one of the highly-priced in the world. And if you’re comfortable with limited access to healthcare, that’s just you. But my guess is you are exposed to a vehement anti-RH mouth-frother who has intimidated your better sensibilities into submission and you thus take out his aggression in this debate. You must be spineless.
After learning that she’s a goddamn socialist who doesn’t know what she’s talking about, I made the following reply:
I’m sorry, ma’am, but do you ever know what you’re talking about? The rice cartel in the country is none other than the government-funded NFA. It’s time to face the utter stupidity of our leftist professors and statist economics tutors! Cartel or monopoly can never exist under a free market. All cartels and monopolies were created by the government. We have a monopoly in the power sector because of the government.
It’s you who knows NOTHING about informed choice. By the way, the bill is not simply about informed choice! That stupid and idiotic Edcel Lagman doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s one of the reasons why this country is goin’ down the drain. The bill is about more government powers. An informed choice that VIOLATES the rights of others through more taxation and the rights of employers and doctors is nothing but a MONSTROUS, EVIL IDEA!
I’m sorry to tell this but you really need some proper education.
Tet Gallardo‘s reply: “Boy, you are utterly incapable of debate without resorting to personal attacks. This only reveals your timid personality. You think the government can form cartels but you trust that a free market capitalism is not a myth. You lost me there. hahaha.”
My answer: “Some people need to be slapped with reality because of their utter stupidity. Kindly name one cartel in the Philippines caused by the free market system? I can name you some cartels and monopolies caused by the government.
Tet Gallardo answered claiming that “there is no such thing as free market capitalism.” She believed that capitalism “is an oxymoron… capitalism is always controlled by the powerful few.”
Then I asked Tet Gallardo of her understanding of capitalism and why she claims that “it’s an oxymoron.” Then I mentioned some of the monopolies caused by the government:
- The independent power producers or IPP
- The gambling sector and the PCSO
- The education sector. The government funds 111 state universities and colleges
- The health sector. The government funds hundreds of hospitals and clinics
- The rice sector thru NFA
- The postal service
I asked: “Kindly name a few cartels in the country caused by the free market system if you really know what you’re talking about?”
Tet Gallardo‘s answer:
You don’t see the bigger picture, boy. Capitalism is always controlled by a few, and these few will always want to control government so that they can control resources. Your so-called “free market” capitalists are rigging capitalism to their favor via government instruments. If you were as powerful as they, you would want to be in control of government. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, in that way. Those are monopolies yes, but beneath them are functional cartels, functioning as limited-access industries that are hard to penetrate because they are well-guarded by the powerful few. For instance, in the telecoms sector, you would need to be uber-rich to be competing with the GLOBE-SMART-SUN cartel. Your knowledge is in reverse. What caused the financial crisis is what Marx has been predicting — that capitalism will fall by the very conflicts within it. It is now happening. You want a democracy among competing businesses and call it “free market capitalism” but within each of the businesses (in every particular business) there is no democracy. Each business is run like Chinese hierarchical bureacracies, the leader is not elected but selected by CEOs. Whereas in the 60 years of Germany’s social market economy and in other parts of Europe, which was not as badly hit by the “Global” Financial Crisis, many companies are run in the tradition of democratic values — workers elect their bosses and own the companies — workers’ councils. www.kas.de/upload/dokumente/2010/06/60_Years_SME/lesch.pdf
“For the past few years, the leftists and liberals have been claiming that “Capitalism is dead.” But when the big government-caused 2008 financial crisis hit, every brainless statist was claiming Capitalism was alive and that it caused the crisis!
“Capitalism is always controlled by a few, and these few will always want to control government so that they can control resources.”
This clearly shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. Let me tell you that I’m not a Johnny-come-lately when it comes to this issue.
“I advocate capitalism because it is the only economic system that is consistent with man’s rights– his right to life liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and because I want to live in a capitalist society wherein my rights and existence are respected. I cannot cover this particular argument here; it takes a full-blown article to explain why capitalism is consistent with man’s right. But I think this is self-explanatory. Only in a capitalist society can man own a private property, as well as the products of his own mind. Under a socialist or communist system, all properties are owned by the state. Can you imagine if you discovered a great invention and it would be owned by everybody or seized by the state in the name of common good? You will not profit from it, you will only reap a trophy, a token or just a cash reward or certificate from the presidium for your efforts.”
Do you believe in property rights, Ma’am? Do you believe that you have a property rights of your own house or every possession you have? Well, that’s because of the concept of free market capitalism.
You said: “The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, in that way.”
That’s purely leftist drivel. That’s wrong. Look at Hong Kong. HK is nearly a free market economy due to less government intervention despite the fact that it’s now under the Chinese control. The per capita income in HK is high compared to Philippines and other countries. In Venezuela, which is now officially a socialist state, everybody goes poorer while government officials grow richer.
This shows you know nothing about economics.
You said: ” For instance, in the telecoms sector, you would need to be uber-rich to be competing with the GLOBE-SMART-SUN cartel. Your knowledge is in reverse…”
You should know that one of the main symptoms of cartel or monopoly is high price of commodities and services. If that’s really cartel, WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE! Instead, we’re paying less!!! Don’t you get that? If these three telecoms are indeed cartel, they should be charging more. If they’re really cartel or monopolists, then I certainly love that kind of cartel. Really, you don’t know what you’re talking about. A cartel should be causing high prices. Instead, it does the OPPOSITE!
Do you understand?
Tet Gallardo‘s stupid reply: “My dear, you don’t know that our telecoms prices are one of the highest in the world. And yes, I believe in private property, but I believe in democracy within each business.”