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Deconstructing the Neo-Nazi Propaganda and Agenda of the Filipino Freefarters and the Socialists

November 20, 2010

Yes, these pro-RH bill fanatics are INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT!

What the hell is happening in this country? We have some groups of socialists, statists, nihilists, neo-mystics and neo-Nazis

These statists believe it's free speech when you impose your will on others even if that means violating their rights...

These statists believe it's free speech when you impose your will on others even if that means violating their rights...

who firmly believed they have a right to barge into a peaceful gathering of a group of people and then demand they are entitled to freedom of assembly and free speech.

I’m talking about the latest Hitlerian, neo-fascist stunt of pro-Reproductive Health bill’s mindless mob composed of socialists and a collective of neo-mystics and neo-Nazis (the Filipino Freefarters) who protested and attempted to desecrate the gathering of anti-RH bill Catholics inside the Manila Cathedral.

I call their stupid, pathetic stunt “Hitlerian” because it simply parallels the evil strategy employed by Hitler and his followers before the Nazis’ rise to power: the use of subversion and provocative demonstrations  to promote their statist agenda designed to fool the unthinking people. I call this pro-RH bill mob “socialists”, “neo-fascists”, “neo-Nazis”, and “neo-mystics” because of their rights-violating acts and their subversive intention to impose their will on others. Their rights-violating acts are the by-product of their utter stupidity and ignorance.

Consider this ill-written, propagandic blog report from the Filipino Freethinkers’ (Freefarters’) website titled “Anti-RH Bill Catholics Harass RH Bill Supporters.” What do you get when two statist groups-  the Filipino Freefarters and the socialists- join forces? Propaganda and dishonest agenda, of course. The title itself would make Adolf Hitler and his top propagandist Joseph Goebbels applaud and congratulate these socialists and Filipino Freefarters for a job well done. Propaganda is a method of skillful deception designed to conceal the truth and to promote distorted information; its purpose is to persuade the people to believe a lie or series of lies. Yes, Joseph Goebbels would have been proud.

Such an evil twist in the title also reeks of Saul Alinsky’s Marxist method of journalistic deception.  According to this modern-day Marxist propagandist, “the revolutionary force today has two targets: moral as well as material.” That is, the purpose of propaganda or a well-concerted Marxist demonstration is to destroy people’s perception of reality.

What’s wrong with the title of the Freefarters’ ill-written, propagandic blog report?

First, it attempts to distort reality. The question is: Who harassed first? Who initiated the use of force? Who did the provocation? The unimpeachable facts of the case show that it is the Filipino Freefarters and the Democratic Socialist Women of the Philippines who went to the venue (the Manila Cathedral) in order to disrupt the peaceful gathering of the anti-RH bill Catholics. What these lunatic, fascistic bullies and provocateurs did is that they tried to disrupt a peaceful religious mass and then accuse the mass-goers, who called them on their collective stupidity and rights-violating stunt, of harassment. What the hell is wrong with these people? It’s very clear that they sought to provoke these anti-RH bill Catholics in order to create an incident, thereby putting them in bad light. This is, in fact, a widely known leftist strategy: provoke and then put the target in bad light.

The FF blog report states:

“The Filipino Freethinkers and the Democratic Socialist Women of the Philippines went to the Manila Cathedral where an anti-RH bill discernment mass was supposed to be held. Representatives from these two organizations wanted to hear the reasons that would be given in the lecture as to why the CBCP was against the RH bill.

“Unfortunately, they were denied entry from the chapel for wearing Damaso-printed shirts, which these organizations have worn to express their disagreement with the CBCP’s position. However, they were told that the organizers would consider letting them inside after the ongoing mass ends.”

Second, why were they denied entry to the church? This is what these stupid, ignorant statists won’t get. The Manila Cathedral is a private property owned by the Catholic Church. These statists and ignoramuses believed they have a right to hold their hippyish and rights-violating protests or demonstrations within someone else’s private property.

These stupid people and ignoramuses should know that they don’t have any right to peaceful assembly or free speech within other people’s private property. Such a right is strictly applied to the government! They don’t have any right to perform or practice their right to free speech or peaceful assembly when their acts would violate the rights of others (e.i.,  right to freedom of religion, the rights to privacy, free speech, property, etc.). Again, the Catholic Church is not part of the national government. We are not a theocracy, stupid! The fact that churches or religious properties are exempt from taxation does not give anyone any better entitlement to disrespect the rights of property owners (e.i., religious organizations, priests, pastors, etc.)

I stated in a previous blog titled The Height of Stupidity of Filipino Fascists:

“Like persons or individuals, artificial or juridical entities like corporations, establishments and even churches ( Catholic Church of course included) are entitled to property rights. This right and all other inalienable rights (e.g. rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of one’s happiness) are duly recognized and protected by the Constitution. The ‘right to speech’ is an indispensable antecedent to our rights to life and liberty. Without man’s right to life, it means that he cannot support his life by his own work, but it does not mean that his neighbors must provide him with the necessities of life. On the other hand, the  right to liberty means the absence of physical coercion. This means that every individual has the right to express his opinions and ideas without danger of punitive action, interference or oppression by the government, but it does not mean that others must provide him with a venue to express his ideas.”

Here’s part of the Filipino Freefarters’ ill-written and stupid blog report:

“Afterbeing denied entry to the Manila Cathedral, the RH Bill supporters decided to wait outside the church for the mass to end. Several pro-life supporters handed FF and DSWP members Anti-RH Bill leaflets which had misleading information, including the claim that condoms caused cancer.

“After a few minutes , a group of anti-RH Bill Catholics, led by Pro-Life Philippines president Eric B. Manalang confronted the RH Bill supporters and told them that their presence was not welcome. Several members of both the Filipino Frethinkers and the DSWP attempted to reason with these people, explaining how some of them were also Catholic and simply wanted to hear why the RH Bill was considered “evil.”

“Lorna Ferrer, a member of the DSWP, told Mr. Manalang that she was Catholic. Mr. Manalang responded with, “You are not a real Catholic! You are an oxymoron!” — implying that Catholics who use or support any form of artificial contraception could not possibly be “real” Catholics.

“Other members from both organizations attempted to calm down Mr. Manalang and company, but these pleas fell on deaf ears as the harassment escalated and the RH supporters were attacked with harsh words and mild violence.

“Here are just some of the statements hurled at members of the Filipino Freethinkers and the DSWP by Manalang and company:

“This is our territory. Get out of here!”
“Damaso is a fake. You’re a fake! You are the Damaso!”
“Get out of here, Satan!”
“You should tell your mother that she should have aborted you!”

“There is video footage of Mr. Manalang and company pushing several supporters and trying to take away cameras from two members of the group. Police officers intervened and escorted the FF and the DSWP away from the premises of the cathedral for the safety of these RH supporters.

Mr. Manalang is right! These statists and neo-Nazis have no right whatsoever to disrupt a peaceful gathering of any group of people. This same principle applies to anti-RH bill people. It means that we all have a responsibility to respect the rights of others. The anti-RH bill Catholics have a right to hold an “anti-RH bill discernment mass” without being disrupted or disrespected by some lunatic people like the socialists and the Filipino Freefarters. When these lunatic people hold their own pro-RH bill discernment rites, the anti-RH bill Catholics and we, the anti-RH bill secularists who don’t share the Catholic view against the anti-population bill, are also obliged to respect the rights of the former. Why? Because we’re all private individuals. It’s because of the non-initiation of force principle. Indeed, these neo-Nazis are “bastos” and rights-violating hippies!

Also, Mr. Manalang hit the nail when he described these pro-RH bill bullies and provocateurs as modern-day Damasos. The failure of these pro-population control people to understand the context of Jose Rizal’s Noli Me Tangere and the book’s villainous character, Damaso, reveals their inability to form logical, valid concepts. Rizal’s most famous novel depicts the political climate of his time when Catholic friars held tremendous political power at their disposal while Damaso, a quintessential schemer and a liar, shows how a greedy power-broker or a power-luster who seeks to impose his political will on others destroys the moral fabric of a society. Today’s Damasos are these pro-RH bill people who call on the government to make the state the benevolent provider of people’s needs. The kind of theocracy during Rizal’s time gave the state the power to rule people’s lives in the name of God and revelations. However, the kind of creeping fascism or dictatorship that we have today is being supported by the modern-day Damasos who seek to impose their will on others. According to these real-world Damasos, the government must provide the people, especially the poor, with their needs at the expense of other people, especially the businessmen and health care providers who would be immolated and sacrificed in the name of the common good.

Meanwhile, the YouTube video above shows Atty. Rene Macalintal lecturing these stupid and ignorant socialists and Filipino Freefarters.

Here’s a partial transcript of the freefarter video, which reveals the premeditated nature of the farters-socialist attack:

Farter camera focused on Atty. Rene Macalintal.

Female voice: “Papasok dapat kami…”

Male voice (Atty. Macalintal): Papasok kayo eh you have different view on what we are (garbled) here…”

Female voice: “Katoliko din kami.”

Male voice (Atty. Macalintal): Katoliko kayo… not practicing Catholic…

Male voice (from a provocateur): “Record cam… You’re recorded sorry…”

Female voice: Nice… nice…

Another female voice: Go! Go! Go!

The video footage speaks for itself. The farter-leftist attack was premeditated, pre-planned and deliberately synchronized with the intention to provoke the anti-RH bill Catholics so to put them in bad light. There’s no need to dissect what this recorded malicious voice means- “”Record cam… You’re recorded sorry…”- and the supportive “nice, nice” and “Go! Go! Go!” accompaniment.

In the video footage, Atty. Macalintal, a renowned election lawyer and constitutionalist, tells the pro-RH bill mob: “If you want to have your own affair, have your own affair.”

That’s precisely the point.  Is that difficult to understand? Next time, socialists and Filipino Freefarters, have you own affair.

A commenter, who identifies himself as “attybendel”, on the Filipino Freefarters’ blog said: “that arrogant guy macalintal should be disbarred for violating right to peaceful assembly. a lawyer should fight for advocacy w/ law & reason.”

This is the most pathetic comment I’ve seen online. Does this guy know what he’s talking about? What the commenter means to say is that Atty. Macalintal “should fight for advocacy with law and reason” even if that would violate other people’s rights (e.i., rights to privacy, to practice freedom of religion, and to one’s private property). That’s what we call intellectual bankruptcy. Yes, these pro-RH bill fanatics are indeed INTELLECTUALLY BANKRUPT!

However, it appears that the leftist-freefarter camp tries their very best to rationalize their lunatic attack and pin the blame on the anti-RH bill Catholics, especially Mr. Manalang. Another farter blog report claims they “were invited to this event”, or “at least we weren’t told that we couldn’t attend.” This statement confirms that these people, who collectively champion science and reason, are suffering from serious mental illness. “Reason” and the “science” of logic should have told them that the Catholic Church is a religious organization that made a strong position on this issue: oppose the bill at all cost. It would have been too crude and too absurd had the organizers posted: “Only anti-RH bill Catholics are welcome. Pro-RH bill people go away!” Perhaps their COMMON SENSE is still on vacation.

I stand by my identification that these people are not merely intellectually bankrupt, they’re also suffering from serious mental illness. For instance, there’s this commenter who defends his/her pro-RH bill stance by prattling on about rights and justice. The whole Freefarter website is screaming that they “were respectful” so they had the right to disrupt a Catholic affair. So in response to a lunatic commenter who shares the same pathetic view, I wrote:

  1. The anti-RHB had their own gathering wherein you, pro-RHB lunatics weren’t invited.
  2. You were not invited because you espouse a different point of view and because the Catholic Church, which is a religious organization, made a strong decision to oppose the bill. Is this hard to understand?
  3. But since you pro-RHB people are all LUNATIC, you still persisted on your intent to disrupt and protest these anti-RHB Catholics as if they’re members of Gloria Arroyo or PNoy cult even if you knew you WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view.
  4. And since you’re all LUNATIC and BRAINLESS, you attempted to consummate your LUNACY and STUPIDITY by trying to enter the church and perhaps impose your will on the Catholics even if you knew WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view. Where’s justice here? Why not have your own affair instead of gate-crashing some people’s peaceful gathering, stupid people?
  5. You went to Manila Cathedral with an evil purpose: to IMPOSE YOUR WILL on these anti-RHB Catholics, to put up a show, and to provoke them so as to put them in BAD LIGHT. That’s what you want. Where’s justice and sanity there? If you did the same thing to us, anti-RHB secularists, we would have done the worse thing.
  6. And if the leftists and the freefarters were truly rational, which they really aren’t, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Whatever Mr. Manalang did is justified because in the first place, the leftist-FF lunatic collective resorted to provocation and hippyish attack. No amount of rationalization or demonization on the part of the leftists and farters could ever justify their evil, irrational, barbaric, uneducated acts.

But then again, Marxist propagandist Saul Alinsky would have been proud. You and the author of that Freefarter article did a good job in fooling your fellow socialists and Freefarters.

Alinsky once wrote: “‘The organizer’s first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’”

You, socialists and neo-Nazis, exactly did just that!

The modern-day Damasos...

The modern-day Damasos...

Socialists and Freefarters? Hmmm... That really stinks as hell!

Socialists and Freefarters? Hmmm... That really stinks as hell!

It's very clear what you, freefarters, want... Political power.

It's very clear what you, freefarters, want... Political power.

  • NOTE: I don’t share the Catholic, religious arguments against the RH bill. I offer a secularist view founded on reason, objective law and the nature and rights of man. Check the anti-RH bill blog articles HERE.
60 Comments leave one →
  1. November 21, 2010 3:38

    Wonderful article! Absolutely spot on! The fact is these people are using classic totalitarian intimidation tactics.

    Great job exposing these people once again Vince, bravo!

    • November 22, 2010 3:38

      Thanks, Joshua! And thanks for informing me on this matter. I would have missed it had you not tipped me about it.

    • eira permalink
      November 22, 2010 3:38

      hi joshua! are you the same joshua lipana who edited the freethinker’s reader?

  2. November 21, 2010 3:38

    Ang kapal nang muka nila. Sila na nga yung ginulo sila pa daw yung hinarass.

  3. November 21, 2010 3:38

    Thanks for this article and we continue to pray for the misled and obstinate youth and so with not so young free thinkers.Again I ask them the question of Who gave them the freedom to be free in their thinking?In my mind a very basic question.If we are owned and/ or created is a starting point.
    As for me and this for who believe in a Creator,A Father God,or Allah,it is your God that you please and not man,thus your free thinking is directed to God.Unless you feel having been self created and A GOD then the reflection should be easy.But will it set you absolutely free?
    To think that it’s the TRUTH we are freely thinking about to is to be finally be at peace,then let’s seek ETERNAL TRUTHS,not one created by Man which is just made of flesh and blood,and is mortal.
    The truth cannot be separated from God.Secularism is the biggest LIE and the roots of all the ism’s eg modernism,liberalism,Nazism, Communism, Feminism,relativism,Totalitarianism,materialism,Aetheism,etc etc.
    It’s an escape by people lied to by tye devil but weak enough to embrace the LIAR and Murderer.
    It is the greatest killer of lives,Hitler is no match,5 Million Jews in 6 years is a drop in the bucket,hundreds of million of new life babies have been murdered from the very first time abortion was accepted hundreds of years ago.Let’s have hope secularists will awaken,we pray and try grab their hands to join us to the narrow path to Heaven.Not the wide open road,to eternal Damnation.
    Peace!

    • eira permalink
      November 22, 2010 3:38

      just in case you were not allowed to read the threat, torture, death of those who were professing against the EARTH-centered universe, then it’s high time to grow up and try to read those. for sure, you’ll change your definition of LIES and MURDER. you’ll also be introduced to the word CORRUPTION.

    • cud permalink
      August 5, 2012 3:38

      How about the flying spaghetti monster? or my new religion, kopimism! thanks mr manalang but no thanks.

  4. eira permalink
    November 22, 2010 3:38

    since you said you are rational and intellectual, now tell me how you feel about what happened. because with those name bashing (freefarters, intellectual bankruptcy) i think being emotional is an understatement.

    when the church meddles in the decision of the couple for planning their family (considering that they don’t have any experience in family life as well as sexual activities) they have all the rights to threat the President of the Philippines for excommunication for standing against it without even having a dialogue and becomes public about it. But when they are being meddled (as you imply) then suddenly they hide to the comfort and privacy of their wealthy buildings and won’t allow anyone to listen to their reason against the RH Bill. such a double standard.

    it’s not the freethinkers’ fault if the church is offended by the image of the friar, Damaso, in the 19th century. that shows that the church, herself, is not proud of what happened then. good for them for being mature and be able to face the corruption of infallibility.

    • November 22, 2010 3:38

      Why not tell me first why these farters and idiotic socialists don’t deserve to be called “intellectually bankrupt”, neo-nazis, neo-mystics, etc? Did you read the whole blog?

      As to the second paragraph, let me tell you that an alleged right (e.i., the right to peaceful assembly of the farters and the socialists) that necessitates the violation of the rights of others (e.i., the right of the Catholics to practice their religion, to privacy and to church property) is not and cannot be a right! If you don’t get this, then have your brain checked before commenting on my blog.

      The fact that these Catholics oppose the RHB and that they allegedly “threatened” the President, as you said, doesn’t give you any better right to barge into their peaceful mass or affairs and try to rudely disrupt them and transgress against their rights. What they did, and perhaps you’re one of them, is INDEFENSIBLE! Those people are LUNATIC! Have your own LUNATIC affairs! In the first place, I shouldn’t be responding to your lunatic points. How about the leftists then who keep on plotting the overthrow of the government or the farters who try to impose their will on other people? If that’s your understanding of the situation, then let me tell you that we’re NOT savages!

      • eira permalink
        November 24, 2010 3:38

        let’s try if you can get this one, kiddo.

        Freedom of religion ensures that every Filipino has the right to practice their belief. While the Catholic church profess for their right to it, they curtail other sects’ by imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception) to be legalized and applied to non-Catholics. The fundamental reason for these rights is justice. Justice is based on TRUTH. Truth hurts most of the time to those who have been habitually lying about it (earth-centered, virgin birth, trinity, heaven and earth, original sin) that’s why they are very much affected. IT IS A LIE TO PREACH THAT CONDOM IS CANCEROUS (maybe the priest’s ignorance of sexual activities thought that IT IS EATEN BY THE MOUTH OR IT IS DEVOURED). Those who adhere to this ignorance is not only corrupted but also shows utter ignorance ( i didn’t say small brained)

        Let’s be factual, ok? No actual violation of the right to privacy ACTUALLY happened because the PRO-RH bill protesters stayed outside. They tried and they failed. What’s the big fuzz? Move on.
        Wow, who is acting like god here? You already judged me of lunacy even if you don’t even know me. I just hope you are not sending me to hell now.

      • November 24, 2010 3:38

        OK. I’m going to stoop down to your level.

        You said: “Freedom of religion ensures that every Filipino has the right to practice their belief.”

        You are 100 percent right. And let me add that freedom of religion also means freedom from interference by anyone, meaning no one has the right to disrupt or prevent anyone from practicing his/her right to religion.

        You said: “While the Catholic church profess for their right to it, they curtail other sects’ by imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception) to be legalized and applied to non-Catholics.”

        What you said is very debatable. So if that’s the case- “if they curtail other sects’ by imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception) to be legalized and applied to non-Catholics”- you mean to say that they are , in effect, violating the rights of others to practice their religion? What a very sick mind you have there. Are you a schmuck?

        Let me tell you that your line of reasoning is so pathetic and your childish argument only exists in your mind. Let me tell you how our legal system works and how it relates to your sick line of thinking. But first, here’s my observation, try to reason very clearly and logically. You reason like a six grader… honestly. Read this post, schmuck https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/in-defense-of-the-troublesome-meddslesome-catholic-church/

        1) If you said that the Catholics “curtail other sects”, you mean to say that they are somehow liable under the law. If not, then they committed no legal or moral wrong. Let me tell you that “curtailment” or the “limitation” principle only applies to the state or the government. You should somehow understand how the legal system works in this country if you want to deal with me, schmuck. What I mean to say is that what you’re prattling on about only applies to the state. Why? Because the state holds a monopoly on force. The Catholic Church does not wield government force. It has no political power.

        2. Is that so-called “curtailment” against the law? It appears that you think the Catholics’ curtailment of other sects is against the law. Tell me, schmuck, is the mere act of “imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception)” on other sects illegal? If so, how is it illegal? And where did you get that kind of reasoning? Are you from planet earth, pretentious schmuck?

        3. What do you think you’re doing? Are you not trying to impose your “teaching” and beliefs on the anti-RHB Catholics? How would you explain your conspiracy or plan to disrupt their religious gathering at the Manila Cathedral? Were you even invited? I guess not, because Atty. Macalintal said: “Have your own affair.” And don’t ever tell me, witless schmuck, that the Church is open for everybody. If you have any brain, you would have understood that that gathering is only exclusive for the anti-RHB people because like any organization, the Catholic Church made a stand on this issue. You, socialists and freefarters, made your own stand on this issue. So are you not contradicting your own pitiful, mindless argument?

        You said: “The fundamental reason for these rights is justice. Justice is based on TRUTH.”

        What is? Rights for what? What’s the truth? Did you read the bill, schmuck? Do you understand the concept of rights? I’ve written dozens of articles to explain to mindless people like you that health care or RH care is not a right! Of course you don’t get it because you’re all intellectually bankrupt. You all live in a horrific realm of fantasy. Don’t come here without reading my anti-RH bill blogs because your arguments simply show you don’t know what you’re talking about, schmuck!

        1. It’s time for you to look at statistics, schmuck. We have high budget deficit, huge foreign debt and the government can no longer afford to spend too much! This means that to finance your RH bill madness, the government would be compelled, in the long run, to turn to taxpayers or inflate our national debt.

        2. What rights are you talking about? If you read the bill, which you clearly did not, you would have understood that the RH care services would be provided by companies and businesses, whether big or small. Of course, since you’re a mindless socialists, you’d simply say, “it’s their responsibility to provide their workers with their RH care needs.” I said, IDIOT! Don’t you know that foreign investors no longer want to invest in the Philippines because of our idiotic regulatory policies? If the state forced companies to pay the RH care needs of their workers, they would be forced to: a) lay off workers, b) fire workers, c) stop hiring new employees, d) increase the price of their products and services. Read my previous posts to educate yourself, idiot!

        3. Kindly explain your ” Justice is based on TRUTH”. What is your concept of justice? Is it just to compel businesses to pay for the RH care needs of their workers. What if it’s against the conscience of an employer? That means that employer might risk going to jail for violating the provision of the bill. Where’s justice there? Where’s truth there, schmuck?

        In regard to your leftist-farter attack of the anti-RHB Catholics, let me show the true essence of justice and truth, schmuck:

        1. The anti-RHB had their own gathering wherein you, pro-RHB lunatics weren’t invited.

        2. You were not invited because you espouse a different point of view and because the Catholic Church, which is a religious organization, made a strong decision to oppose the bill. Is this hard to understand?

        3. But since you pro-RHB people are all LUNATIC, you still persisted on your intent to disrupt and protest these anti-RHB Catholics as if they’re members of Gloria Arroyo or PNoy cult even if you knew you WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view.

        4. And since you’re all LUNATIC and BRAINLESS, you attempted to consummate your LUNACY and STUPIDITY by trying to enter the church and perhaps impose you will on the Catholics even if you knew WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view. Where’s justice here? Why not have your own affair instead of gate-crashing some people’s peaceful gathering, stupid people?

        5. You went to Manila Cathedral for an evil purpose: to IMPOSE YOUR WILL on these anti-RHB Catholics, to put up a show, and to provoke them so as to put them in BAD LIGHT. That’s what you want. Where’s justice and sanity there? If you did the same thing to us, anti-RHB secularists, we would have done the worse thing.

        6. And if the leftists and the freefarters were truly rational, which they really aren’t, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Whatever Mr. Manalang did is justified because in the first place, the leftist-FF lunatic collective resorted to provocation and hippyish attack. No amount of rationalization or demonization on the part of the leftists and farters could ever justify their evil, irrational, barbaric, uneducated acts.

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        Why not tell me first why these farters and idiotic socialists don’t deserve to be called “intellectually bankrupt”, neo-nazis, neo-mystics, etc? Did you read the whole blog? As to the second paragraph, let me tell you that an alleged right (e.i., the right to peaceful assembly of the farters and the socialists) that necessitates the […]
        OK. I’m going to stoop down to your level.

        Yes, your master, your majesty, your excellency!
        You said: “Freedom of religion ensures that every Filipino has the right to practice their belief.”You are 100 percent right. And let me add that freedom of religion also means freedom from interference by anyone, meaning no one has the right to disrupt or prevent anyone from practicing his/her right to religion.
        The Pro-RH Bill supporters did not prevent the Anti-RHB from practicing their right. Prevention might mean to padlock the door of the church by the pro-RH bill supporters to bar them from entering and practicing their right. Is that what happened? The church level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

        You said: “While the Catholic church profess for their right to it, they curtail other sects’ by imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception) to be legalized and applied to non-Catholics.”
        What you said is very debatable. So if that’s the case- “if they curtail other sects’ by imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception) to be legalized and applied to non-Catholics”- you mean to say that they are , in effect, violating the rights of others to practice their religion? What a very sick mind you have there. Are you a schmuck?

        The truth is the Catholic teaching of using ONLY natural method of family planning is very Catholic. By imposing that artificial contraception should not be legalized will send those who do find and believe it to be necessary for their family as a couple would send them to prison. Now, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE FREETHINKERS AND SOCIALIST WOULD IMPOSE THAT FAMILY PLANNING SHOULD NOT BE LEGALIZED? Would you not feel that your right to practice your TEACHINGS is violated?

        Let me tell you that your line of reasoning is so pathetic and your childish argument only exists in your mind. Let me tell you how our legal system works and how it relates to your sick line of thinking. But first, here’s my observation, try to reason very clearly and logically. You reason like a six grader… honestly. Read this post, schmuck https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/in-defense-of-the-troublesome-meddslesome-catholic-church/

        Sorry, your opinion of a person does not merit any logical and intellectual advantage. And your personal attack does not affect me because I know myself. And you don’t know me. I don’t know you either. Maybe, you are being attacked by Freudian slip and really repressed that’s why you do that. You take care ok? Because even you think no one respects you, there are people who really love you. I truly understand.

        1) If you said that the Catholics “curtail other sects”, you mean to say that they are somehow liable under the law. If not, then they committed no legal or moral wrong. Let me tell you that “curtailment” or the “limitation” principle only applies to the state or the government. You should somehow understand how the legal system works in this country if you want to deal with me, schmuck. What I mean to say is that what you’re prattling on about only applies to the state. Why? Because the state holds a monopoly on force. The Catholic Church does not wield government force. It has no political power.

        Let me confirm: The Catholic Church has no political power? Maybe, that’s why they make lies to get back that political power. Lies like CONDOM IS CANCEROUS. Those who did IUD are nymphomaniacs.
        Again, would you think and feel that IMPOSING NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING BE NOT LEGALIZED by the Pro-RH bill supporters LIMIT your right? NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING CONSIDERED AS ILLEGAL WILL NOT LIMIT CATHOLIC’S RIGHT TO PRACTISE THEIR TEACHING. Is that so?

        2. Is that so-called “curtailment” against the law? It appears that you think the Catholics’ curtailment of other sects is against the law. Tell me, schmuck, is the mere act of “imposing on their teachings (no to artificial contraception)” on other sects illegal? If so, how is it illegal? And where did you get that kind of reasoning? Are you from planet earth, pretentious schmuck?

        Again, would you think and feel that IMPOSING NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING BE NOT LEGALIZED by the Pro-RH bill supporters LIMIT your right? NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING CONSIDERED AS ILLEGAL WILL NOT LIMIT CATHOLIC’S RIGHT TO PRACTISE THEIR TEACHING. Is that so?
        I happen to see the family having many kids living under the bridge, in the street and courageously accept that “Go forth and multiply” is not a decent and humane lesson that a teacher should teach. That as a woman I am empowered to make my own decision based on my need and not based on what others who doesn’t have experience in sexual activity or reproductive health and family planning activities.

        3. What do you think you’re doing? Are you not trying to impose your “teaching” and beliefs on the anti-RHB Catholics? How would you explain your conspiracy or plan to disrupt their religious gathering at the Manila Cathedral? Were you even invited? I guess not, because Atty. Macalintal said: “Have your own affair.” And don’t ever tell me, witless schmuck, that the Church is open for everybody. If you have any brain, you would have understood that that gathering is only exclusive for the anti-RHB people because like any organization, the Catholic Church made a stand on this issue. You, socialists and freefarters, made your own stand on this issue. So are you not contradicting your own pitiful, mindless argument?

        Again, would you think and feel that IMPOSING NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING BE NOT LEGALIZED by the Pro-RH bill supporters LIMIT your right? NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING CONSIDERED AS ILLEGAL WILL NOT LIMIT CATHOLIC’S RIGHT TO PRACTISE THEIR TEACHING. Is that so?
        Actually, it’s very inviting to make a stand on making NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING IS ILLEGAL. But then again, I still would not give up on freewill.

        You said: “The fundamental reason for these rights is justice. Justice is based on TRUTH.”
        What is? Rights for what? What’s the truth? Did you read the bill, schmuck? Do you understand the concept of rights? I’ve written dozens of articles to explain to mindless people like you that health care or RH care is not a right! Of course you don’t get it because you’re all intellectually bankrupt. You all live in a horrific realm of fantasy. Don’t come here without reading my anti-RH bill blogs because your arguments simply show you don’t know what you’re talking about, schmuck!

        Reproductive Health happens to be real. It’s not a matter of belief. You can believe that the sky is green but that doesn’t change the fact and distort the truth that it is Sky Blue. Even Pope Benedict adhere to reproductive health by justifying that male prostitute should use condom.

        1. It’s time for you to look at statistics, schmuck. We have high budget deficit, huge foreign debt and the government can no longer afford to spend too much! This means that to finance your RH bill madness, the government would be compelled, in the long run, to turn to taxpayers or inflate our national debt.


        Simple Economics Family A Family B
        Family Income 10000 10000
        Expense/child 2000 2000
        No of kids 3 5
        Total 6000 10000

        Surely Family B will either live in the street, no entertainment, no proper nutrition and education. That is if the salary is 10000. Since the big businessmen are either in the politics or controls the politician, they could just manipulate by laws that laborers will and cannot demand for increased in salary. Now, who is moralizing these big businessmen? Does not the Church allowed these injustices as long as these businessmen donate to the church? And the church doesn’t even pay tax. It has a very expensive schools with no tax.

        2. What rights are you talking about? If you read the bill, which you clearly did not, you would have understood that the RH care services would be provided by companies and businesses, whether big or small. Of course, since you’re a mindless socialists, you’d simply say, “it’s their responsibility to provide their workers with their RH care needs.” I said, IDIOT! Don’t you know that foreign investors no longer want to invest in the Philippines because of our idiotic regulatory policies? If the state forced companies to pay the RH care needs of their workers, they would be forced to: a) lay off workers, b) fire workers, c) stop hiring new employees, d) increase the price of their products and services. Read my previous posts to educate yourself, idiot!

        Proposed RH Bill 96 Sec 18.The Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE) shall ensure that employers respect the reproductive rights of workers. Consistent with the intent of Article 134 of the Labor Code, employers with more than 200 employees shall provide reproductive health services to all employees in their own respective health facilities. Those with less than 200 workers shall enter into partnerships with hospitals, health facilities, and/or health professionals in their areas for the delivery of reproductive health services.
        Employers shall furnish in writing the following information to all employees and applicants:
        a. The medical and health benefits which workers are entitled to, including maternity and paternity leave benefits and the availability of family planning services;
        b. The reproductive health hazards associated with work, including hazards that may affect their reproductive functions especially pregnant women; and
        c. The availability of health facilities for workers.
        The Catholic owned schools employs more than 200 employees. It would be a big operational cost to the priest for them. They oppose it because of selfish reason of decreasing their profit.Health facilities are basic human rights. Do you value the rights of the foreign investor more than the rights to reproductive health of your fellowmen? Is the teaching of the Vatican, foreigner, more valuable than the reality of everyday living in your native land?

        3. Kindly explain your ” Justice is based on TRUTH”. What is your concept of justice? Is it just to compel businesses to pay for the RH care needs of their workers. What if it’s against the conscience of an employer? That means that employer might risk going to jail for violating the provision of the bill. Where’s justice there? Where’s truth there, schmuck? .

        It is JUSTICE to make decision based on informed choice. The judge hears the side of the accused and the victim. And based on these information a decision will be made beyond reasonable doubt.
        It is only against the conscience of those who have a vow of celibacy. Tell me which part of the RH Bill offends your conscience? Abortion is not allowed in the given bill.

        In regard to your leftist-farter attack of the anti-RHB Catholics, let me show the true essence of justice and truth, schmuck:
        1. The anti-RHB had their own gathering wherein you, pro-RHB lunatics weren’t invited.

        Would they invite and be capable of intellectual and emotional maturity and stability to just even accept that there are people that they cannot control by deciding for their reproductive health.

        2. You were not invited because you espouse a different point of view and because the Catholic Church, which is a religious organization, made a strong decision to oppose the bill. Is this hard to understand?

        The church’s level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

        3. But since you pro-RHB people are all LUNATIC, you still persisted on your intent to disrupt and protest these anti-RHB Catholics as if they’re members of Gloria Arroyo or PNoy cult even if you knew you WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view.

        The church’s level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

        4. And since you’re all LUNATIC and BRAINLESS, you attempted to consummate your LUNACY and STUPIDITY by trying to enter the church and perhaps impose you will on the Catholics even if you knew WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view. Where’s justice here? Why not have your own affair instead of gate-crashing some people’s peaceful gathering, stupid people?

        The church’s level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

        5. You went to Manila Cathedral for an evil purpose: to IMPOSE YOUR WILL on these anti-RHB Catholics, to put up a show, and to provoke them so as to put them in BAD LIGHT. That’s what you want. Where’s justice and sanity there? If you did the same thing to us, anti-RHB secularists, we would have done the worse thing.

        The church’s level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

        6. And if the leftists and the freefarters were truly rational, which they really aren’t, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Whatever Mr. Manalang did is justified because in the first place, the leftist-FF lunatic collective resorted to provocation and hippyish attack. No amount of rationalization or demonization on the part of the leftists and farters could ever justify their evil, irrational, barbaric, uneducated acts.
        The church’s level of EMOTIONAL STABILITY AND MATURITY should be accounted for being disrupted or unable to concentrate in practicing her religion. Example, a teacher will NOT be disrupted or discouraged to perform her task to educate the students whether that student believes her or not, not believing raises question, discussion and conclusion. A teacher might GET INSECURE teaching the subject matter because he really doesn’t know about it or he is just telling a lie. Teacher’s defense mechanism to his irresponsibility would be not to allow the student to ask question. Maybe he doesn’t want to look ignorant or stupid. The teacher might use his right to deny answering question being the authority and at the same time denying his students the right to education.

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        There you are again, schmuck. If you’re really proud of your witless, idiotic arguments, why not tell us your real identity? Who knows, maybe it’s your time to shine!😉 Now you reason like a third-grader.

        Schmuck, you said: “The Pro-RH Bill supporters did not prevent the Anti-RHB from practicing their right. Prevention might mean to padlock the door of the church by the pro-RH bill supporters to bar them from entering and practicing their right.”

        I don’t know if you’re a plain ignoramus or sick in the mind. The words I mentioned are “prevent” OR “disrupt”. I didn’t say prevent AND disrupt. What your fellow lunatics did is they they tried to disrupt the gathering of the anti-RH bill people. Don’t tell me those lunatics were invited, because if you had any brain, you’d know that those Catholics are anti-RH bill, so there’s no need to put up a message: “ONLY ANTI-RH BILL CATHOLICS ALLOWED!”

        In the first place, if you people are educated and rational, you should not have been there. It was an affair of the anti-RH bill Catholics, and your stupid, insane misrepresentation of “everyone is cordially invited” shows you’re all idiots and stupid! Again, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE! If you don’t call what your fellow commies and farters did “disrupting” then you’re indeed sick in the mind.

        YOU, LUNATICS, DON’T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO DISRUPT A CERTAIN GROUP’S GATHERING. And don’t insist you we’re invited because you were not!

        You brainless schmuck said: “The truth is the Catholic teaching of using ONLY natural method of family planning is very Catholic. By imposing that artificial contraception should not be legalized will send those who do find and believe it to be necessary for their family as a couple would send them to prison. Now, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE FREETHINKERS AND SOCIALIST WOULD IMPOSE THAT FAMILY PLANNING SHOULD NOT BE LEGALIZED? Would you not feel that your right to practice your TEACHINGS is violated?”

        So what? Let me ask you, pea-brain: Does anyone prohibit you from buying a condom at 7/11? If you’re a woman, is anyone prohibiting you from undergoing ligation, or a vasectomy operation, if you’re a man? Don’t ever tell me the Catholic church DOES, because the Catholic priests have NO POWER to jail you for breaking their lunatic religious doctrines!

        You are indeed crazy. I just bought a pack of CONDOM yesterday and no one arrested me for doing so. A relative of mine just underwent a ligation operation without being arrested by a Catholic police.

        Lest I be misunderstood, SCHMUCK, let me tell you that I AM A RABID ATHEIST and I am in favor of family planning, the use of condom and even ABORTION, you IDIOT. If you read my anti-RH bill polemics, you would have understood that I am against this RH bill because I reject the notion that everything will be provided by the government or by employers. Did you read the bill? The problem with you people is that you didn’t read the bill, or if you did, you don’t have the brain to understand its intents and provisions.
        Let me tell you, SCHMUCK, the difference between the pro-RH bill commies and farters and the anti-RH bill Catholics (and I AM NOT ONE OF THEM):

        1. You pro-RH bill commies and farters demand that the government provide the RH care needs of the poor and women by law or by forcing employers to pay for the latter’s RH care needs despite the fact that everybody has the choice and right to buy condoms, undergo ligation or vasectomy operation and practice family planning in this ALREADY BANKRUPT COUNTRY.

        2. The anti-RH bill Catholics oppose the RH bill on the ground that it’s against the will of God and I am not sure whether they’re asking the government to legally prohibit the use of condom, contraception and family planning. BUT EVEN IF THEY DO, I am very much sure they won’t succeed, because that’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL, if ever you know how the law and legal system operate in this already bankrupt country.

        I and my friends oppose this bill because it’s against individual rights and freedom, and because we don’t believe the RH care needs are to be provided by the government through the power of coercion and taxation. READ MY BLOGS, you IDIOT!

        You said: “Sorry, your opinion of a person does not merit any logical and intellectual advantage. And your personal attack does not affect me because I know myself. And you don’t know me. I don’t know you either. Maybe, you are being attacked by Freudian slip and really repressed that’s why you do that. You take care ok? Because even you think no one respects you, there are people who really love you. I truly understand.”

        Then there’s no use talking to an IDIOT like you, because you really are IDIOT! Let me tell you that if you wanna argue with someone else, try to know his position on the issue even if you detest him. That’s the rule in a debate, you schmuck! The same principle applies to me, if I wanted to argue with a pro-RH bill idiot, I WOULD EXERT SOME EFFORTS TO KNOW HIS STANCE. Why?

        1. In order to respond properly to his arguments.

        2. In order to make a proper, valid rebuttal.

        3. In order to formulate a strategy designed to subdue his counter-arguments.

        Of course, you don’t know these things because you’re a BRAINLESS third-grader. Look at your reply. You think I’m a Catholic, right? You think I share their insane view against the RH bill, right? If it were a ONE-ON-ONE televised debate, you’d surely be a national laughing stock! No person in his right mind would want to argue with an idiot and intellectually (?) lazy.

        You don’t even know the legal system in the Philippines and how our laws work! How’s that? Do you know my position on this issue? You STUPID, IDIOTIC drivel simply shows you don’t know my stance on this matter. You think I am in favor of the Catholic view, you schmuck!

        Now if you want to control population, have yourself ligated (if you’re a woman), or undergo vasectomy operation (if you’re a male). Invite all your friends to undergo this process, if you really want to curb population in this country!

        EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST BEFORE COMMENTING HERE, LUNATIC!

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        wahahaha!

        nakakatawa tong banat nitong “eira”. bopols talaga lol! advice lang, bro. bago ka magmagaling at mag-comment ng kung anu-ano, alamin mo muna ang position ng blogger sa RH bill issue. yan tuloy ang napala mo.

        Sabi ni eira: “Sorry, your opinion of a person does not merit any logical and intellectual advantage. And your personal attack does not affect me because I know myself.”

        dito makikita kung may utak ang isang tao o talagang baliw lang talaga. walang kwenta ang mga ganyang tao. kala mo kung sinong magaling, wala naman palang kuwenta haha! next time, alamin mo lugar mo, eira. brainless ka talaga wahahah!

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        Let me tell you that your line of reasoning is so pathetic and your childish argument only exists in your mind. Let me tell you how our legal system works and how it relates to your sick line of thinking. But first, here’s my observation, try to reason very clearly and logically. You reason like a six grader… honestly. Read this post, schmuck https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/in-defense-of-the-troublesome-meddslesome-catholic-church/

        Sorry, your opinion of a person does not merit any logical and intellectual advantage. And your personal attack does not affect me because I know myself. And you don’t know me. I don’t know you either. Maybe, you are being attacked by Freudian slip and really repressed that’s why you do that. You take care ok? Because even you think no one respects you, there are people who really love you. I truly understand.

    • eira permalink
      November 25, 2010 3:38

      Again, would you think and feel that IMPOSING NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING BE NOT LEGALIZED by the Pro-RH bill supporters LIMIT your right? NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING CONSIDERED AS ILLEGAL WILL NOT LIMIT CATHOLIC’S RIGHT TO PRACTISE THEIR TEACHING. Is that so?

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        You idiot said: “NATURAL METHOD OF FAMILY PLANNING CONSIDERED AS ILLEGAL WILL NOT LIMIT CATHOLIC’S RIGHT TO PRACTISE THEIR TEACHING. Is that so?”

        “ILLEGAL”? Do you know the concept of “illegality”? Who said it’s illegal? Are you insane? Did you read my comment above?

        WHERE’S THE LAW? Or that’s just your sick invention?

        The anti-RH bill Catholics oppose the RH bill on the ground that it’s against the will of God and I am not sure whether they’re asking the government to legally prohibit the use of condom, contraception and family planning. BUT EVEN IF THEY DO, I am very much sure they won’t succeed, because that’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL, if ever you know how the law and legal system operate in this already bankrupt country.

        Do you know whether a bill or a legislation is unconstitutional or not?

        What you’re saying only exists in your empty brain, pea-brain!

        Everybody has the right to practice family planning here. Another epic fail again!

    • eira permalink
      November 25, 2010 3:38

      I made a mistake. It should have been “NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING”

      The truth is the Catholic teaching of using ONLY natural method of family planning is very Catholic. By imposing that artificial contraception should not be legalized will send those who do find and believe it to be necessary for their family as a couple would send them to prison. Now, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE FREETHINKERS AND SOCIALIST WOULD IMPOSE THAT “NATURAL “FAMILY PLANNING SHOULD NOT BE LEGALIZED? Would you not feel that your right to practice your TEACHINGS is violated?

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        You idiot said: “The truth is the Catholic teaching of using ONLY natural method of family planning is very Catholic. By imposing that artificial contraception should not be legalized will send those who do find and believe it to be necessary for their family as a couple would send them to prison.”

        OH MY GOLLY! What planet are you from? I spend three years in law school but I never encountered a single law prohibiting the use of artificial contraception.

        Perhaps that’s the reason why you’re supporting this bill. You are basing your support on a fantasy… a dream… a non-reality. What a very stupid creature!

        For your information, the use of artificial contraception is PERFECTLY LEGAL IN THE PHILIPPINES!

        If you’re saying, IDIOT, that the Church is trying to make it illegal, let me give you an assurance that that won’t happen because that would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

        Go back to your commie and farter friends and then cry a river!

  5. November 22, 2010 3:38

    FYI, the Pro-RH people have been the ones starting the harassment here in cyberspace:
    Hacking the websites of ALFI.org and Pro-life Phlippines, insulting Anti-RH people on the page, using a picture of a man being stabbed in the back as a profile pic of a Pro-RH site, and mutilating the profile pics of Anti-RH individuals who did not make use of privacy settings on Facebook. Really, there are already losing people to the anti-RH point of view just because they lack simple cyberspace etiquette…. Now we haven’t heard of this in the tri-media yet, have we?

    • eira permalink
      November 24, 2010 3:38

      if the Anti RH Bill and church think that Catholics are childish to consider RH Bill as license to do immoral acts, think again. It’s high time to prove that the Church has successfully moralized the Filipino even without meddling or deciding for the couple’s choice on family planning. Deciding for other is done only to a child.

      • November 24, 2010 3:38

        The commies have gone berserk! Oh look! It’s Mao and Lenin! lol!

  6. U.R. Anidiot permalink
    November 24, 2010 3:38

    How much did the Church pay you ? How much did you pay for your education ? Equating freethinkers with Neo-Nazism. HELLO!!! IT WAS THIS CHURCH THAT SIGNED A CONCORDAT WITH HITLER PRIOR TO THE 2ND WORLD WAR !!

    Fascists ? Have you ever heard the term “Clerico-Fascism”? HELLO ! IT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT PERPETRATED THIS FROM THE TIME OF CONSTANTINE ONWARD !

    • xyxy permalink
      November 24, 2010 3:38

      As far as I know, the writer also thinks the Church is nuts. The difference is that he does not approve of the Filipino Freethinker’s actions when it comes to handling the Church’s “meddling” or spread of misinformation or whatever.

    • November 24, 2010 3:38

      this commie/farter idiot is formerly a paid hack of the Church that’s why he knows it… how much did they pay you before, commie?

  7. U.R. Anidiot permalink
    November 24, 2010 3:38

    “Damaso” while he might have been fiction, was the literary manifestation by Rizal of the Clerico-Fascism that was perpetrated by this Church in his day. It is indeed apt and still appropriate for use today WHENEVER THE CHURCH PULLS ITS WEIGHT ON THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.

    • November 24, 2010 3:38

      Do you know my stand on this issue, schmuck? Did you read the post?

      Pay? That’s how most socialists think. They always think in terms of “money” because it’s who they are. Deep inside they are rapacious, ultra-greedy animals. Your leftist black propaganda has no effect on me.

      This post is not about the RH bill. It’s about the way you acted on your fascist/nazistic beliefs.

      Let me repost my answer to your fellow farter schmuck eira:

      1. The anti-RHB had their own gathering wherein you, pro-RHB lunatics weren’t invited.

      2. You were not invited because you espouse a different point of view and because the Catholic Church, which is a religious organization, made a strong decision to oppose the bill. Is this hard to understand?

      3. But since you pro-RHB people are LUNATIC, you still insist to disrupt and protest these anti-RHB Catholics as if they’re members of Gloria Arroyo or PNoy cult even if you knew you WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view.

      4. And since you’re all LUNATIC and BRAINLESS, you tried to consummate your LUNACY and STUPIDITY by trying to enter the church and perhaps impose you will on the Catholics even if you knew WERE NOT INVITED and that you have a different point of view. Where’s justice here? Why not have your own affairs instead of gate-crashing some people’s affair, stupid people?

      5. You went there for a purpose: to IMPOSE YOUR WILL on these anti-RHB Catholics, to put up a show, and to provoke them in order to put them in BAD LIGHT. That’s what you want. Where’s justice and sanity there? If you did the same thing to us, anti-RHB secularists, we would have done the worse thing.

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        are you done, [IDIOTIC, RUDE FREEFARTERS NOT ALLOWED HERE!]

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        I thought you are an atheist. Me, being also one would not edit a particular reply simply because you can. Rude? Look who is trying to argue with someone by calling her IDIOT, schmuk (would not enumerate coz it’s just a waste of space). And you edited my reply: are you done, zygote? Why are you offended by that word and violated my right to expression. Please don’t tell me I am not invited in this blog, it’s open to everyone. Isn’t it?

        maybe the pro-rh bill offended the church for its attempt to stop disseminating LIES. Isn’t the truth the most basic right of an individual. one can express his rights to expression but if he professes lies, isn’t that slander/libel? One cannot say that he was provoked to react that way because no one is responsible for his reaction but himself. at least that’s what a mature and truthful person do.

        they have the guts to proclaim their right to privacy while making a stand on public issues with regards to the sexuality and reproductive health of a couple. if they insist to be private then let those who do the family planning and engage in sexual activity decide on their own, not the celibate priests.

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        Tell that to the police. Read my blog titled “The Right to Ridicule” to enlighten yourself.

  8. xyxy permalink
    November 25, 2010 3:38

    “Tell me which part of the RH Bill offends your conscience? Abortion is not allowed in the given bill.”

    I’m sorry Eira, I actually find it funny that you asked him that. And please go easy on the caps!

    Vince, you should seriously consider making a banner (to be placed in the TOP part of any RHB related article) which states that you are NOT in cohorts with the Catholic Church, a “Pro-lifer” and all that jazz. People are thinking you’re a holy saint of some sort.

    • November 25, 2010 3:38

      Wahahaha!

      @ xyxy,

      I didn’t notice that because his/her stupidity is astounding. It made my dizzy, honestly.

      @ Eira,

      You idiotic comment: ““Tell me which part of the RH Bill offends your conscience? Abortion is not allowed in the given bill.”

      You know what? This really CRACKED me up! lol! You really know nothing about the provision of the Constitution or about our criminal law in RP.

      So you believe “abortion is to be allowed” in the bill? I say: MORON! lol!

      Even if abortion were included in the bill, that won’t work because that’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL! The Constitution is the paramount law of the land. Bills should not and must not contravene the provisions of the Constitution because it’s the mother law. In the Constitution abortion is not allowed or unlawful because it says there that the state shall protect life “from conception”. Like I said, I’m in favor of abortion, but that’s the law.

      For your abortion to be “allowed in the bill”, there has to be Constitutional revision (not amendment) first!

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        enggggg…

        where in that statement said that abortion is allowed in the constitution? stop putting words in my mouth, please. you interpreted that i’d like that to be included in the said bill.

      • xyxy permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        @Vince: I think you got a little too dizzy. LOL Peace, man.

        “Tell me which part of the RH Bill offends your conscience? Abortion is not allowed in the given bill.”

        >> To be fair, Eira was assuming that there’s something in the bill that “offends” you, which has something to do with the methods for family planning described there. This is why she mentioned the second part about abortion. Basically, (if I read it right) she thought you were Pro-life or something.

        I believe you had misread the second part of that quote. She said “is NOT allowed” not “TO BE allowed”.🙂

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        Let me explain further…

        Eira said: “Abortion is not allowed in the given bill.”

        But of course! Eira’s structure of knowledge simply shows he/she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. That’s why I advised him/her to read my posts, not to advertise myself, but to save himself/herself from my ridicule and embarrassment…

        To paraphrase Sun Tzu: Know your enemy and know yourself.

        When you say ‘I don’t want to know your arguments because I think they’re nonsense’, then that clearly shows you’re IDIOTIC. In any forum (or even in battlefield), it’s a must to know your enemy. That’s part of my philosophy, because the key word here is intellectual honesty. If you don’t want to exert any effort to know where your enemy is coming from because of your EMPTY ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE, then you’d only resort to misrepresentation, context-dropping and fallacious argumentation which you already did.

        No warrior had ever won a battle by underestimating his opponent. Well, in your case I have all the right to ridicule and underestimate you because your “first salvo” clearly shows you’re NOTHING but a pretentious braggart. And I love to ridicule and embarrass pretentious braggarts.

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        Well, because you’re insane… Because stupid people who think they know what they’re talking about are so despicable… And by definition, you’re both insane and stupid.

      • avery permalink
        November 26, 2010 3:38

        why did you delete my previous posts?

        NEO-NAZI? I think you really know that by your own experience. The best example of a twisted minded person mouthful of balderdash with no balls.

        DO YOU ONLY HAVE ANGST? I HAVE A SALE SENSE OF HUMOR.
        OK, I’LL GIVE IT FOR FREE.
        THIS IS THE 5TH MESSAGE AFTER YOU DELETED 4TIMES THE COMPOUNDED MESSAGES

        you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        Take care!

        you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        Take care!
        YOU ARE NOT ONLY UNLOVED, BUT IT SEEMS NOW YOU ARE UNWANTED
        Why did you edit my earlier post? Did you find that true? Now I know how to get you.

        you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        THE MORE YOU DELETE this message over and over again…
        the more you prove that YOU adhere to neo-nazi..
        i recorder the message you delete and will watch this closely promise.
        the more you delete the more it will get longer…you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        Take care!

        you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        Take care!
        YOU ARE NOT ONLY UNLOVED, BUT IT SEEMS NOW YOU ARE UNWANTED
        Why did you edit my earlier post? Did you find that true? Now I know how to get you.

        you’re really funny….hihhi
        you are the only one thinking you are the enemy here..
        why not try to love yourself, it may ease your angst!
        THE MORE YOU DELETE this message over and over again…
        the more you prove that YOU adhere to neo-nazi..
        i recorder the message you delete and will watch this closely promise.
        the more you delete the more it will get longer…

      • xyxy permalink
        November 26, 2010 3:38

        No need for double posting, mate. The writer has the option to delete a comment he does not like because it’s his blog in the first place. Why else would the people at WordPress grant him the ability to do so?

    • eira permalink
      November 25, 2010 3:38

      good thing that we agree on the right to an informed choice being promoted in the RH Bill. Since you are a law student, isn’t a debate should be encouraged to make the bill beneficial to everyone. you mentioned that employer’s responsibility as stated in sec 18 will subject the employers to extra cost for providing family planning services. Isn’t it a good thing to talk which services can be shouldered by the health facility of the company and adjust it to agreeable points like only information should be provided but not the products? But they would like to keep that to themselves while disseminating lies about artificial contraception by professing their right to freedom of religion.

      • xyxy permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        Since both of you agree that people have the freedom to choose the family planning method they want, I believe it all boils down to the following:

        1. Is it the duty of the government to provide a reproductive health care system to the people? Why?
        2. Should the government shoulder the labor and expenses for the implementation of such system? Why?
        3. Should employers be coerced into providing such needs? Why?

        I would like to hear you answers.🙂

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        FYI, I have written several articles, which can be published as a book due to its size, about my disagreement with the bill. But my disagreement can be summed up to this: I strongly oppose welfare statism, which is what this bill is all about. This bill is against freedom, individual rights, business and free-market capitalism.

        If you want to know my position on this matter, I have written several blogs on:

        1. Why the bill is against individual rights;

        2. Why health care or RH care is not a right;

        3. Why the bill is immoral (not religious morality);

        4. Why the bill is about welfare statism;

        5. Why the people who support it are intellectually bankrupt;

        6. Why it is anti-business and anti-progress;

        7. Why it would lead us to disaster;

        8. Why overpopulation is a myth;

        9. What’s the source of poverty and wealth;

        10. What’s the best alternative, which is free market system.

      • eira permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        xyxy permalink
        November 25, 2010 3:38

        hi xyxy, how are you? great to hear from you.

        Since both of you agree that people have the freedom to choose the family planning method they want, I believe it all boils down to the following:

        1. Is it the duty of the government to provide a reproductive health care system to the people? Why?
        if you happen to observe those family with bunch of kids, they are the ones with low income and needs to be supported by the government

        2. Should the government shoulder the labor and expenses for the implementation of such system? Why?
        it’s also the government’s responsibility to manage the resources to the population. it has to meet the demands for public education, medical services and employment. at the end of the day, the government has to address the problem of scarcity specially in the face of increasing population

        3. Should employers be coerced into providing such needs? Why?
        it’s already in the Article 134 of the Labor Code to provide reproductive health services to ensure the maternity and paternity leave. If the problem is the availability of the family planning services, a dialogue to meet acceptable services to be included in this section. That’s why, it is important to let the church and the industry state which one is acceptable and justifiable to them

        I would like to hear you answers.🙂
        i hope i am of help to you with my opinion

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        @ Eira,

        The very reason why I asked you to read my previous blogs is not to advertise myself, but to let you know where I’m coming from. I understand how you people think. You, pro-RH bill people, have this fallacious, distorted mentality that anyone who opposes the RH bill is a Catholic or a religionist. That’s what you pathetically manifested in your idiotic posts. Now let me tell you that the RH bill is not a religious issue. It is fundamentally a moral issue. Here, I’m not speaking of religious morality. I am speaking of the proper concept of morality: the ability to know the difference between right and wrong. Is it moral for the state to provide the RH care needs of the poor and women by violating the rights of employers and doctors? It is moral and practical to give so much power to the government to rule our lives (because this bill is about ruling our individual lives)?

        You said: “Is it the duty of the government to provide a reproductive health care system to the people? Why?”

        The answer is NO! The only proper role of the government is to protect individual rights. I have extensively explained this matter here https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/welfare-state-the-agenda-behind-the-rh-bill/ .

        Here’s what I said:

        The concept of protection of individual rights is indeed fundamentally opposed to a state-imposed provision of social services. Again, the latter is not the purpose of government. I’ve explained this issue many times in my previous blog posts. First, because the government is not a productive agency and, in fact, it is the most dependent entity on earth, meaning it relies on the people or the taxpayers for revenue or source of income. It means that more services require more government spending, and reality tells us that the government is currently suffering from huge budget deficit and huge foreign debt.

        Second, since the government is already cash-strapped, the only way for it to provide the many statist promises of the RH bill is to turn to businessmen and health care providers. We are not Sweden- or we don’t enjoy the benefits of the early capitalist period of Sweden wherein it was still economically strong. Sweden was “somehow” able to provide universal health care, education, etc. to its people because of the success of its capitalist past before 1960s, or precisely before the rise of the socialists and leftists. It is socialism that drained the wealth produced by Sweden’s capitalist past following the rise of socialism. When welfare statism was established in Sweden by its socialist politicians, it had the wealth and money to support it because of its successful free-market past, but it was the statist policies that drove businessmen and professionals away and bankrupted the country.

        How about us? Do we have anything or wealth to start with? Nothing! We don’t have any successful capitalist past that would have provided the government with enough financial backing to support and sustain its welfare statist goals. We are already bankrupt and we would be more so should we implement this socialist RH bill. Is this hard to understand? Instead of pumping more controls and regulations into our troubled economy, our politicians should start facing reality. Controls and regulations do not create wealth simply because they stunt economic freedom, which is a sine qua non to economic progress. Winnie Monsod’s confused economics cannot save this country.

        In case of the poor, the only way to help them is to guarantee economic freedom. That’s what I discussed here https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/rh-bill/

        You said: “Should the government shoulder the labor and expenses for the implementation of such system? Why?”

        I refer you to the statement I posted above. What’s exactly the government’s source of revenue? The answer is TAXATION.

        You said: “it’s also the government’s responsibility to manage the resources to the population. it has to meet the demands for public education, medical services and employment. at the end of the day, the government has to address the problem of scarcity specially in the face of increasing population.”

        Why not migrate to North Korea and Cuba? They’ve lots of freebies in those socialist/totalitarian countries. What you’re talking about is COMMUNISM. https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/reproductive-health-care-is-not-a-right/ You people are clearly insane!

        You said: “Should employers be coerced into providing such needs? Why?
        it’s already in the Article 134 of the Labor Code to provide reproductive health services to ensure the maternity and paternity leave. If the problem is the availability of the family planning services, a dialogue to meet acceptable services to be included in this section. That’s why, it is important to let the church and the industry state which one is acceptable and justifiable to them.”

        That’s the reason why any potential Adolf Hitler can easily take away this country because of your idiocy, mindless people. The fact that it was written in the labor code does not make a wrong right!

        Article 134 of the fascist Labor Code states:

        “ARTICLE 134. Family planning services; incentives for family planning. – (a) Establishments which are required by law to maintain a clinic or infirmary shall provide free family planning services to their employees which shall include, but not be limited to, the application or use of contraceptive pills and intrauterine devices.

        (b) In coordination with other agencies of the government engaged in the promotion of family planning, the Department of Labor and Employment shall develop and prescribe incentive bonus schemes to encourage family planning among female workers in any establishment or enterprise.

        Under the RH bill, more services will be required of companies and employers to provide their workers for free. Don’t you know that our labor code is one of the reasons why the Philippines is not a good place for business? Well it is true that that so-called family planning is provided under the law, but so as the laws implemented by Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany and those being implemented in socialist Cuba, Venezuela and other leftist countries.

        The Philippines got a score of 51.9 ( which is VERY LOW) in terms of labor freedom in the 2010 Index of Economic Freedom. Overall, the Philippines has an economic freedom score of 56.3, making its economy the 109th freest in the 2010. https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/the-high-cost-of-ignoring-liberty/ . Also, foreign investors avoid the Philippines because of its high tax rates and too much regulations. I have tackled this issue here https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/welfare-state-the-agenda-behind-the-rh-bill/ . According to Doingbusiness.org, companies pay 45.8 percent total tax rate http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploretopics/paying-taxes.

        So blame yourselves and your stupidity for the high unemployment here in our country. It’s because of the anti-business laws and regulations that you, stupid people, support. You talk about high unemployment and overpopulation? Well, you have yourselves and stupidity to blame. If you pass this bill, the more foreign and local investors avoid the Philippines. That’s reality. Even companies in America complained about the heavy financial burden of the universal health care law passed by Obama last year, as 111 companies asked for a waiver.

        Just recently, Barack Obama issued 111 Obamacare waivers, exempting several companies, particularly those with political connections, from spending too much health care on their workers. And don’t ever tell me that Obama care is different from our RH bill. Yes, they are different in terms of label/name and scope, but they are based on the same principle: welfare statism and government control. Several companies, which include McDonalds, Olive Garden, Red Lobster and Jack in the Box are among the large, headline-garnering employers appealed to the Obama administration for temporary waivers because they cannot strictly provide the health care needs of their workers without laying off or firing some of their workers.

        If this is what’s happening now in America, do you, pro-RH bill fanatics, have any assurance that this welfare state tragedy won’t happen in the Philippines? https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/welfare-state-the-agenda-behind-the-rh-bill/ And that’s America

        Your collective stupidity is the very reason why we’re poor.

  9. eira permalink
    November 25, 2010 3:38

    Mik-mik T. permalink
    November 25, 2010 3:38

    wahahaha!

    nakakatawa tong banat nitong “eira”. bopols talaga lol! advice lang, bro. bago ka magmagaling at mag-comment ng kung anu-ano, alamin mo muna ang position ng blogger sa RH bill issue. yan tuloy ang napala mo.

    Sabi ni eira: “Sorry, your opinion of a person does not merit any logical and intellectual advantage. And your personal attack does not affect me because I know myself.”

    dito makikita kung may utak ang isang tao o talagang baliw lang talaga. walang kwenta ang mga ganyang tao. kala mo kung sinong magaling, wala naman palang kuwenta haha! next time, alamin mo lugar mo, eira. brainless ka talaga wahahah!

    Can you please translate to english?

    • xyxy permalink
      November 25, 2010 3:38

      That post is just a bunch of ramblings and defamations. There were no important points raised so you didn’t missed anything that matters.🙂 However the poster did say that you should know the writer’s (Vince) stand first before responding, something like that.

    • eira permalink
      November 25, 2010 3:38

      I am not here to oppose or agree his stand. He can stand on his own, can’t he?

      • November 25, 2010 3:38

        Pre, bat ang tanga mo?

      • eira permalink
        November 26, 2010 3:38

        can you translate that in english?

      • xyxy permalink
        November 26, 2010 3:38

        Anti-Leftist said: “Bro, why are you stupid?”

      • eira permalink
        November 26, 2010 3:38

        thanks a lot., xyxy!

        we’ll, maybe that’s the only word he/she knows..

  10. November 26, 2010 3:38

    Hi Avery! That really cracked me up! lol!

    Read this… it’s actually my guideline https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/the-right-to-ridicule/

  11. general_tiu permalink
    June 18, 2011 3:38

    Finally I saw a Filipino libertarian who is NOT left-wing. I am tired of the leftist dictatorship in schools. What I need to plant the seeds of liberty in the Philippines.

  12. jose natsoc permalink
    July 7, 2012 3:38

    people here dont really know the diffrences between communism & neo nazi`sm….. sart further studies & research!…. if there is truely a neo nazi`s in this coutry i would really be DELIGHTED WITH!, but unfortunately none!…. ( but its underway!)….. that protest is only a ‘demonstated protest’ by the left & leftist alone!. never ever associated it with NAZI`SM cause it is fairly not!.. halatado naman sa picture na red protest at nd NEO NAZISM type ay sus!….. wrong place , wrong time ang gumawa ng article na ito. just bec. anti RHB na eh neo nazi na! HAHAHAHA! FYI….. NEO NAZISM SUPPORTS anti RHBILL PERSE!, race is the prime reason for this!. at pagwala nito nd dadami ang lahi!….. need to read more history folks!..BETTER DEAD THAN, BEING RED!”…..

    • missinforme permalink
      August 5, 2012 3:38

      sobrang totoo! HAHAHAHA tangena natatawa ako dito.

  13. missinforme permalink
    August 5, 2012 3:38

    you’re the best! it’s practically reading libertarian tag-lines. and you bash people who are agianst you. you really fit the libertarian psychological mold. :)) my class about research fallacies will love your article. Thanks!

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