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The Height of Stupidity of Filipino Fascists

October 1, 2010
A fascist, cheap stunt...

A fascist, cheap stunt...

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A rabid supporter of a fascist bill called the Reproductive Health bill and credulous anti-population advocate pulled a cheap, pathetic stunt in front of the Manila Cathedral altar during a mass with Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim and several Catholic bishops present. This Filipino fascist held a sign bearing the word “Damaso”, a reference to the diabolical friar from Jose Rizal’s famous novel “Noli Me Tangere”. To call the attention of the modern-day friars who perhaps represent Rizal’s ‘Padre Damaso’, this atheist protester then screamed: “Stop getting involved in politics.” He was seized by the police and taken to a nearby detention center.

This neo-fascist named Carlos Celdran, a tour guide, successfully yet pathetically got what he wanted: publicity and free promotion for his neo-fascist RH bill advocacy. In a country where most people are ignorant of the proper, valid concept of rights, Celdran was called a ‘hero’ by those who share his passion and nihilist moral and political beliefs. His Facebook page tells it all: his fans fully support his rights-violating “Damaso” protest. To them what this neo-fascist did was heroic and commendable, and it’s not really surprising that he now gets more “unthinking” fans.

Let me address several issues here before I get misunderstood by some of my blog readers. First, I don’t agree with the crime stated under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code. The provision of Article 133 states:

Offending the religious feelings. The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.

To commit such an act, one must (1) perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful, (2) such an act must be intentional and the purpose of which is to offend the feelings of the faithful, (3) and it must be committed in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony. There is no doubt that Celdran intentionally and fully committed this prohibited act. However, I believe this provision in the RPC must be repealed for being non-objective. There is no such thing as “religious feelings.” What are the tests now to determine what constitutes “religious feelings.” What constitutes “offensive acts”?

But this does not mean that this fascist Celdran did not commit any wrong against the complaining party. He did commit a so grave a wrong that fully reveals his being a fascist, outright stupidity and lack of foresight. He violated the property rights of the Catholic Church. I don’t have any problem with Celdran’s right to practice free speech, but I have a problem with the way he practiced it. You cannot practice your right to free speech by violating the property rights (and other fundamental rights) of others.

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Like persons or individuals, artificial or juridical entities like corporations, establishments and even churches ( Catholic Church of course included) are entitled to property rights. This right and all other inalienable rights (e.g. rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of one’s happiness) are duly recognized and protected by the Constitution. The ‘right to speech’ is an indispensable antecedent to our rights to life and liberty. Without man’s right to life, it means that he cannot support his life by his own work, but it does not mean that his neighbors must provide him with the necessities of life. On the other hand, the  right to liberty means the absence of physical coercion. This means that every individual has the right to express his opinions and ideas without danger of punitive action, interference or oppression by the government, but it does not mean that others must provide him with a venue to express his ideas.

However in the case of Celdran, he violated the property rights of the church in order to practice free speech. The right to property means that an individual has the right to carry out and perform actions necessary to earn property. It means that he has the right to use it and to dispose of it, but it does not mean that others must provide him with property. Therefore, a property rights owner has the right to exclude others from his property. In the present case, the purpose of the property right of the Catholic church is to use it for religious ceremonies and celebrations and all other purposes necessary to practice the right to freedom of  religion. In our country, the right to freedom of religion and to practice it is fully guaranteed and protected by the Constitution.

Reproductive Health Bill: A Fascist Bill!

Now there are two issues involved here:

One, whether or not Celdran has the right to violate the Catholic church’s rights to property and to practice religion;

Two, whether or not Celdran can validly and justifiably practice his right to free speech in order to violate the rights of the Catholic church.

The answer to these issues must be in the negative. What this fascist RH bill proponent did would have been justifiable had he practiced his right to free speech beyond the church’s premises. To illustrate my point, here’s a good analogy:

Consider this case of the Macerich Management Co. v. United Brotherhood of Carpenters that is now pending in the U.S. Supreme Court. One of the fundamental issues in this actual case is whether malls are public places or spaces, which make it perfectly legal and OK to hold demonstrations and public protests within mall premises. In other words, do we have the right to practice our right to free speech by violating the property rights of others or by forcing others to provide us with our venue to practice such a right? In a civilized society, the answer to this issue is NO. No, we don’t have the right to violate the rights of others in order to perform our rights.

To further understand the concept of property rights with respect to our right to free speech, let me quote Tom Bowden:

On private land, the owner rightfully limits how others can use it. Do you want to talk on your cell phone? Don’t expect the movie theater to allow it while the show is running. Do you seek Israel’s destruction? Don’t expect a synagogue to tolerate your passing out pamphlets. In all such cases, no one’s rights are violated. There is no right of free speech on someone else’s land. A proper legal system protects each person’s freedom to speak his mind on and with his own property. There’s no need for politicians and judges to “balance” opposing rights, because there are no opposing rights.

When private property is protected by law, those who violate property rights should expect to be arrested (or sued). Most certainly, a crowd of people seeking the financial ruin of a shopping mall by boycott should not expect the mall’s management to stand aside nonchalantly while an organized campaign seeks to drive customers away. It makes no difference that a given shopper might be receptive to the boycott message. The shopper has no more rights than the boycotter in the matter. Both are standing on mall property by permission, on whatever terms the owners have defined. If an individual isn’t willing to observe those terms, no one is forcing him to shop there—he can shop elsewhere, having lost nothing that was his to begin with.

It is true that the Catholic Church and other religions interfere with our political affairs. I believe in total, absolute separation of church and state, and it is this noble concept that ended centuries of religious wars in the past. But this concept of ‘separation of church’ and state does not mean we must violate the rights of others to religion and to worship whatever they want in their own way. It only means that the government must not establish religion or must not allow itself to be influenced by any religious establishment. This is guaranteed under Article III, Section 5 of the 1987 Constitution:

No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitng the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious professiona nd worship, without discrimination or prefernce, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.

Let me state here then that Celdran must not be held liable under 133 of the Revised Penal Code for offending the Catholic Church’s “religious feelings.” Instead, he must be held responsible for other possible violations of rights he intentionally committed.

I mentioned above that Celdran is a neo-fascist. Facsism is a form of collectivist-totalitarian ideology. The underlying purpose of fascism is to impose state controls (control of private property, free speech, and other freedoms and rights) for the sake of common good. The RH bills authored by socialists and neo-fascists in Congress seek to control the medical profession and the whole industry by sacrificing health care providers and businessmen for the sake of what they call “greater good.”

While Celdran was right in protesting that the Catholic Church’s unjustifiable involvement in politics, the manner by which he performed his disgust of religion was legally unjustifiable. There are other ways to criticize the Church’s breach of the concept of “separation of church and state”. The best way is to educate the people by teaching them the value of reason, individualism, and capitalism. However, it seems that Mr. Celdran and his ilk reject these ideals because of their secular mysticism, as they promote liberalism and socialism, as well as the virtue of altruism and self-sacrifice.

Fascist Celdran, the Filipino Free-Farters (Freethinkers) and their ilk don’t know that they are engaged in a battle of ideas. Yes, the Church is against birth control, abortion, etc., but it has no power to coerce individuals who use contraceptives and who violate its mystical protocols. Yes, the Church tries to influence our stupid politicians, but the only way to counter its mystical influence is to vote out these stupid politicians and spread the virtue of reason, individualism and capitalism. Let the Church issue “fatwa” or excommunication decrees against its “infidels” or those who violate its religious decree. We are still a semi-free country. The people have the choice whether or not to violate or abide by the Church’s decrees. This is what these Free-Farters and RHB advocates missed! The only way to counter religion is to spread the RIGHT IDEA: reason, individualism and capitalism. Celdran’s “Damaso stunt” is so cheap, barbaric and hilarious!

I do not share the Catholic Church’s argument against the RH bill. Their argument is founded on faith, therefore, it must fail. The best argument against this socialist legislative proposal must be grounded in individual rights and freedom.

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A Comment on Population Control and Abortion

However, this doesn’t mean that I’m not in favor of abortion. I am an atheist for the very reason that I don’t want to destroy reason. Most atheists in this country, the free-FARTERS in particular, are the most ardent supporters of this anti-population bill. But this doesn’t mean that all women in this country must undergo abortion. I believe that every human being is responsible for his/her own body. Any woman who has no capacity- physically, financially, emotionally, intellectually or psychologically- to deliver and/or raise a child has the right to demand abortion. An embryo is not a person. This means that any society has no right to deprive any woman of her right to undergo abortion.

The Fight Against RH Bill Continues: KILL THE BILL!

Apart from surrounding himself with well-known Marxists and progressives, President Noynoy Aquino recently showed his determination to support the fascistic, evil Reproductive Health bills authored by socialists in Congress. Reports said Speaker Feliciano Belmonte Jr. said he is prepared to face the rage of the Catholic church in making sure the bills on reproductive health pending in the House of Representatives are tackled extensively and voted on by lawmakers.

Don’t Vote for these pro-RH Bill Trapos!

As the old saying goes, ‘you know one when you see one. And this is exactly the case as the most ardent advocates of population control have compiled a list of politicians running for public office this May 10 national elections who made an either expressed or implied support to the controversial Reproductive Health bill that would force both employers and doctors to provide RH services to designated beneficiaries against their will.

The Tyranny of the Anti-Population Bill

The staunch supporters of the Reproductive Health bill authored by some communist politicians in Congress peddled a number of altruistic grounds and rationalization to ensure the passage of their socialist proposal. Some of their grounds are the following: a) to provide the needed reproductive health care services for women; b) to help the poor; and c) to curb the alleged population explosion in the country.

The Psychology of the Anti-Population Cult

Today the issue of population control in this country is widely seen as the battle between the anti-population mystics who support an altruist legislative proposal and the religionists, who tied their arguments to Biblical grounds. Unfortunately, none of the opponents of this legislative proposal—the Reproductive Health Bill authored by socialist representatives in Congress—offered a proper, rational argument to counter the assumptions of the anti-population cultists. This is the reason why the RH bill debate is gaining more supporters than opponents—and this is also the reason why this country is moving toward complete collectivism.

Reproductive Health Care is NOT a Right!

My fundamental premise is this: I don’t believe the government has the right to coerce anyone under the concept of common good or social welfare to provide for the needs of others, and I also don’t believe that need is a claim or a license to enslave a particular group of people. First, it is important to understand that we’re not yet talking about the legality of this bill, because its proponents are still in the campaign process. The wave of public opinion determines the life or death of this legislative proposal, and I’ve heard that the Arroyo regime ordered its temporary confinement.

Reproductive Health Bill Revives Old War Between Two Mystics

IT seems that a lot of people in this country, particularly those who ardently support a leftist bill being pushed by  Leftist politicians in Congress, have miserably inflated their flawed logic and way of thinking. They accused all Filipinos who expressed their opposition to the controversial Reproductive Health Bill as religionists or Christians. These misguided supporters of the legislative proposal firmly believe that anyone who is against it is a believer of a non-existent mystic entity they call God.

Reproductive Health Bill: It’s Evil, Not Just Wrong

I oppose RH Bill not on the grounds of religious argument (that it is anti-Life), but because it is not part of the function of a government to institutionalize slavery, by sacrificing one group to another group. I do not share the sentiments of the religionists and the Catholics that this bill is pro-abortion or against the sanctity of life. I believe this proposition is anti-Life, but I do not agree with the religious position and definition of the term. To me it is anti-Life in the sense that it kills man’s motivation to achieve and the value of man’s achievement.

Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008

The State upholds and promotes responsible parenthood, informed choice, birth spacing and respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards. The State shall uphold the right of the people, particularly women and their organizations, to effective and reasonable participation in the formulation and implementation of the declared policy.

99 Comments leave one →
  1. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 2, 2010 3:38

    The Church is actually more Fascist than those who support the RH Bill. For the Church, you’re only given one choice; don’t have sex or use natural family planning method. For the RH Bill, it’s don’t have sex, use natural family planning method, and if you can’t, use contraceptives.

    Btw, your blog is a pile of crap created by a bigot who’s been blinded by the luxury of his parents and who’s really out of touch with the poor.

    I wonder if one day, you are born once again as a poor woman who doesn’t know anything good except sex and because of that, you blindly have as many babies as you want because you believe that these children will help you in the future when in truth, they’re going to cripple me to death.

    • Love permalink
      October 10, 2010 3:38

      wrong position exactly from the RH Bill misinformation, pity=)

  2. John permalink
    October 2, 2010 3:38

    Sir, I suggest you look up “fascist” in a proper English dictionary before you post again. Your use of the word incorrect. If you don’t agree with his politics, there are ways to point that out without calling him names.

    That said, you are correct in wanting to see this rediculous act repealed. It harkens back to when the Philippines was ruled by Spain. A law like this only serves to keep those in power, in power.

    Should someone say something the Church doesn’t like, they can simply claim that their collective feelings are hurt and have someone jailed. Free speech? What’s that? (no, I’m not referring to Carlos, as he chose to do it on Church property … I’m referring to others who might do so off Church property and still gain the ire of the petty “men” who make up the Church rulership)

    • Love permalink
      October 10, 2010 3:38

      another wrong position exactly from the RH Bill misinformation, pityagain=)

  3. Jane Doe permalink
    October 2, 2010 3:38

    For the Randist Capitalist, any state oversight other than night watchman (protecting the firms’ interests) is ALREADY FASCISM. And they also view social democratic initiatives – such as institutionalized health care or state-sponsored sex education as FASCIST since for them, socialism is slavery.

    Am I correct with those assumptions, author?

    • October 2, 2010 3:38

      The RH bill seeks to control the medical profession, the education sector and the entire business industry and to sacrifice health care providers, businessmen, taxpayers, and other sectors in order to serve the so-called common good. Fascism is an authoritarian and nationalistic system of government where private property is controlled and heavily regulated by the state.

      “And they also view social democratic initiatives – such as institutionalized health care or state-sponsored sex education as FASCIST since for them, socialism is slavery.”

      You have a big problem in terms of epistemology. Terms and words convey concepts. Reality is not just words. Don’t be so sloppy in using words. Democracy does not mean freedom and free society. Democracy is not just a pleasant, good-sounding term being promoted by the liberals and leftists. It means majority rule. Of course you don’t know this because it’s only those who understand the power of idea can grasp what’s behind the concept of democracy. It seems that you don’t know that Karl Marx once said that “Democracy is the Road to Socialism”. Karl Marx knew it because he fully knew the power of an ideology that’s why he concocted one of the biggest lies in mankind’s history: Communism. Read this… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/its-democratic-stupid/
      and this… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/the-moral-base-of-the-filipino-nation-and-philippine%E2%80%99s-intellectual-bankruptcy/

      As to Fascism, read this… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/insane-socialists/ and this… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/sicko-leftist/

      And I fully know this is the program you want. All these “social democratic initiatives – such as institutionalized health care or state-sponsored sex education” were provided in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, as well as in all modern slave pens, such as North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela, and so on. Be very careful what you wish for. It might come true!
      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/common-good-before-individual-good-program-for-national-prosperity-of-the-philippines/

  4. Alexander Roseblade permalink
    October 3, 2010 3:38

    Listen, you mindless dult. If you don’t agree with the RH bill what the hell would you propose? HOW WOULD YOU CURB THE INCREASING MASSES OF POVERTY STRIKEN KIDS? So what if Carlos Celdran hurt a group of rich-ass bishops “FEELINGS” there are millions of fucking starving filipinos out there and you’re pissed about their goddamn “FEEELINGS???” Your website, logic and reasoning is invalid.

    Your site is full of CRAP without any real SOLUTIONS and you OBVIOUSLY have no IDEA what the hell you’re TALKING ABOUT. Aside from the fact that you’re blindly following your “RELIGION” you’re just spewing BULLSHIT with regards to the RH bill being FASCIST or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

    • October 3, 2010 3:38

      You people don’t just get it because you think/believe the government offers the ultimate solution. The government has been very bad at running almost everything. The government is not the solution. Capitalism is the solution to the so-called population problem in this country… Get the whole CONCEPT of my argument. For your information, I AM AN ATHEIST! Did you read this blog or just the title? Don’t be so ignorant and stupid!

      Read: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/reproductive-health-care-is-not-a-right/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/the-psychology-of-the-anti-population-cult/

      THE FOLLOWERS OF THE CULT OF CELDRAN ARE REALLY STUPID!

      • Jay permalink
        October 8, 2010 3:38

        You call people who disagree with the CBCP’s opinion like Celdran as a cult? Wow, talk about paranoia there.

        The government has been bad because guess what; the majority rules democratic system caters to who else? Those non tax paying poor who are automatically enticed with empty promises, only to fully give up their security for it and in the end suffer the consequences. The system sucks and certainly the people as well when they are involved in running it, which only benefits those oligarchs in the end.

      • Love permalink
        October 10, 2010 3:38

        exactly wrong position again from the RH Bill misinformation, pity and prayer to so many po. May God grace them more to see its adding to the problem not solving it. so simple, just plain misguided angst. the occultic behavior goes a long way not just to disagree but defile. get a breather, eat something healthy and live right, you might just get enlightened along the way. God Bless=). lovingly=).

  5. Sassyjazzy permalink
    October 3, 2010 3:38

    However in the case of Celdran, he violated the property rights of the church in order to practice free speech. The right to property means that an individual has the right to carry out and perform actions necessary to earn property. It means that he has the right to use it and to dispose of it, but it does not mean that others must provide him with property.
    Shopping malls are private property. The land is owned by a private company or person and pays taxes to the government. Whereas the church does not pay taxes and if Im not mistaken, those lots are donated or given to the church. Therefore Carlos Celdran did not violate the property rights of the church if the church doesn’t fully own it in the first place.

    • October 3, 2010 3:38

      This is the funniest, most ridiculous comment I’ve ever read on my PRIVATE SITE… lol!

      • Jay permalink
        October 8, 2010 3:38

        U MAD because taxation without representation holds true?

      • October 9, 2010 3:38

        Lay down your premise first. Know where I’m coming from. I know where you’re coming from.

      • marc permalink
        November 22, 2010 3:38

        BTW, froivinber, DID YOU KNOW that the Manila Cathedral was essentially built on top of burned down houses of our ancestors? Compare that against the space Celdran took with his feet. LOL

  6. October 3, 2010 3:38

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    I come from usa, I was fortunate to come cross your blog in digg
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  7. October 3, 2010 3:38

    I think you’re more against the punitive measures of the RH Bill against companies that refuse to provide RH services when required, and you see it as an attack on “free enterprise.” That can be fixed with later changes or amendment.

    Denying people access to RH services is the real fascism, because it’s like denying a person toothpaste even when they need it. It’s like being dictated, “you need this; you don’t need this,” which is exactly what Rand is against. And so is Celdran. So you used the “neo-fascist” label on the wrong entity.

    • October 3, 2010 3:38

      Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the bill!

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 3, 2010 3:38

        I’ve read the bill and it’s clearly not fascism. We don’t force the people to use a condom nor do we punish them for not using a condom.

        Clearly you label everything you don’t like as fascism, socialism, communism, etc.

        It’s utter bullshit if you say it like that always.

        I bet you even call public education as fascism or socialism but in truth, public education has helped America become one of the greatest nations.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 3, 2010 3:38

        Hey, you won’t help businesses when there’s crime everywhere due to poverty. And, poverty is not only due to corruption. It’s also due to having too many kids. Even if one lives in a rich ass country like America for example, but have 8 kids and a not so decent job, one will always stay poor.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 3, 2010 3:38

        Hey assface, look at the mirror. That’s what I call real “stupid”.

      • October 3, 2010 3:38

        If you, stupid people, want universal health care, universal RH care, universal education and universal welfare, better migrate to North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, and other statist/communist/collectivist regimes. These socialist/fascist/collectivist states guarantee universal healthcare, education and almost everything you need. But… they have the right to control your life!

        If you read the bill, idiot, you’d know that it permits the government- your stupid politicians who know nothing but ruin people’s lives- to control and heavily regulate the medical profession, the education sector and the entire business industry and enslave health care providers and businessmen. This is fascism, you idiot! Fascism is a totalitarian ideology with excessive control of private industries and private property. Once this bill is enacted, all health care providers will be forced to serve the so-called “common good” and all businessmen will also be forced to provide health care services to their employees against their will.

        You want more jobs? This bill will shoo away foreign investors from our shores! It will also trigger medical brain drain and exodus of businessmen. It happened in Cuba and Venezuela in the past when their socialist governments implemented universal health care and controlled the entire industry. This bill will give TREMENDOUS POWER to your stupid government. If you don’t understand the meaning of fascism, better reeducate yourself, idiot!

      • October 8, 2010 3:38

        Ahem, I’ve read the bill and I know what it says. You seem to have your own forced understanding of it, akin to someone insisting that a platypus is nothing more than a duck’s bill sewn to a dog’s snout.

      • October 8, 2010 3:38

        ChinoF:

        OK. You may claim that you’ve read the bill. Now, I’d like you to rebut my arguments here to see whether you understood the intents/provisions of the bill. If you really read the bill and still support it, it’s either you’re stupid/ignorant or dishonest.

        I’ll wait for your rebuttal. Remember, if you think that I’m wrong, why not argue your case and demolish my arguments here.

      • October 8, 2010 3:38

        In this blog https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/reproductive-health-bill-a-fascist-bill/ I made my case against this fascist RH bill. I’d like you to make your own rebuttal. This is how sane, rational people argue. I’ll wait for your rebuttal.

  8. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 3, 2010 3:38

    Hey assface, the RH bill isn’t even Universal Healthcare for pete’s sake. If you call everything that involves the government implementing laws as fascism, then better leave this country and make up your own country with no rules at all. No one would miss you anyway.

    “Fascism is a totalitarian ideology with excessive control of private industries and private property. ” It’s not even excessive. It’s like you treat the everything the government does as excessive. It’s like you have a disorder.

    If you call every move the government does as fascism, then we will never progress. Go back to Somalia. There are barely any laws there.

    • October 3, 2010 3:38

      As much as possible I don’t wanna deal with an idiotic troll who only got the courage to post insane, moronic comments behind a false nick. Your contention that it isn’t a universal health care is so stupid and hilarious. What does that prove? That you’re an idiot. This bill seeks to universally cover women and poor people. Did you read the bill? It seeks to universally control the entire business industry, medical profession and education sector.

      Where will the government get the money to finance this idiotic fantasy you’re all asking, idiot? From the taxpayers. Also, it will force, coerce businessmen to provide mandatory RH care services to women and their employees against their will. I know it’s useless to argue with a brainless idiot like you, but my response is for those who’re willing to think. You don’t even know the proper definition of fascism, you idiot! Educate yourself first before posting further comments here.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 4, 2010 3:38

        Hey assface, then, why do the businessmen of Makati support this bill? Lol, if it were socialist, then no damn businessman would support it. But, they see this as helping the crime rate lower, thus, helping businesses flourish.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 4, 2010 3:38

        You are the ugliest person I have ever seen inside and outside.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 4, 2010 3:38

        Honestly, you’re the real idiot. A person who makes speeches and labels things you don’t think will work as “fascist, socialist, communist” is completely moronic and ignorant. GIVE ME A SINGLE LINE FROM THE BILL WHICH IS FASCIST. I DON’T SEE ANY TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF ANY HEALTH INDUSTRY. UNDERLINE TOTAL.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 4, 2010 3:38

        I apologize for that part where I say ugly in the outside for I was angry. But, I do not regret saying ugly in the inside for one person who hates the poor is really ugly.

      • October 4, 2010 3:38

        Well, stupid prick, you can say whatever you want and I have the right to delete your stupid, pathetic comments here anytime now. But I won’t to prove that you, stupid fascists, have nothing to say but plain invectives and moronic non-arguments. Well, I’ll be glad to see your sane and sound arguments here. But I think that that’s not forthcoming considering your irreparable insanity.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Your arguments are so ridiculous that only a hundred people actually take your blog seriously. You just call everything you don’t like as “fascist, socialist, communist.” It’s stupid. There has never been a country that has been a pure capitalist nation.

  9. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 3, 2010 3:38

    Honestly, you are as radical as a communist. You have different ideas that look good on paper but they are both very unrealistic and radical.

    • October 3, 2010 3:38

      I am a radical capitalist and I’m not ashamed of it, statist idiot!

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 4, 2010 3:38

        Radicalism will never work because it is unrealistic. There has never been a single country wherein radicalism was the trend and it worked. Idiot, you should read your history, you ugly abortion.

      • Jay permalink
        October 8, 2010 3:38

        And communism has shown to have worked… even in biblical times.

        Funny part is, its terrific on a small scale. HORRIBLE and IMPRACTICAL on a large/national scale.

        You don’t know what you are and what you are pulling out of your ass, pol-sci student.

      • October 8, 2010 3:38

        @ Jay.

        You’re delusional. So you are a communist? Well, there’s no use arguing with an irrational, delusional commie…

  10. October 3, 2010 3:38

    All those who supoport this crazy fascist Celdran are either ignorant or sick in the mind! Go away, fascists!

    • Pierre Dutiel permalink
      October 4, 2010 3:38

      You’re an ignorant bigot for labeling Carlos as fascist. It’s fucking stupid. It’s as if Marcos is taking over again if this bill is passed.

      • October 5, 2010 3:38

        Stupid troll Pierre Dutiel: WHAT IS YOUR CONCEPT/DEFINITION OF FASCISM AND WHY DO YOU CLAIM CAPITALISM COEXISTS WITH FASCISM? Prove you have any brain tissue left.

  11. kulapo batongbakal permalink
    October 4, 2010 3:38

    npakaplastik naman nung gumawa ng blog na ito.
    palibhasa kasi hindi yata galing sa hirap o namuhay sa kahirapan.

    • Pierre Dutiel permalink
      October 4, 2010 3:38

      oo, tama ka diyan.

  12. Tired of Stupid People permalink
    October 4, 2010 3:38

    The fascist trolls on the loose. This Pierre and others must be C. Celdran himself. He doesn’t even know the proper definition of fascism which proves his sick mind. Go get some proper education, retarded people!

    • Pierre Dutiel permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      Fascist? Did you know fascism can coexist with capitalism? It’s stupid to label Celdran and me as fascists. You’re stupid.

      • October 5, 2010 3:38

        Let me deal with you one last time. But my answer is not for you, because you’re a hopelessly insane person, but for those who are willing to think.

        Fascism is properly defined as an authoritarian and nationalistic system of government and social organization. For your information, both socialism and fascism are authoritarian ideologies and systems.

        Here’s the distinction between socialism and fascism, according Economics Library (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html): “Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.”

        So why is Celdran a fascist? It’s because he supports a fascist bill, which is the RH bill. If you read the bill (and I’m sure you didn’t), you would understand its evil, fascist goal. Those who didn’t read the Reproductive Health bill spout a fantastic fallacy that it’s all about “informed choice.” Well, it seems that this informed choice is our one-way ticket to fascism, as the dishonest leftist and fascist politicians know how to cleverly sell their agenda. The bill seeks to control the whole business industry, medical profession, and the entire education sector.

        Should they pass this bill, it would have the following effects:
        1. Employers would be forced… to lay off or even fire employees.
        2. Employers and doctors would be regarded as potential criminals.
        3. Employers would not hire more people to avoid RH care spending mandated by the bill.
        4. There would be mass exodus of doctors and health care providers.
        5. Local and foreign investors would be discouraged to invest in RP.
        6. There would be massive job loss.
        7. The Philippines would become one of the most unfriendly countries to business (plus consider the possible passage of the Antitrust bill).

        Your stupidity is simply astounding. You claim that “fascism can coexist with capitalism.” Well, let me slap reality across your ugly face then. I’m sure that you know that fascism was conceptualized by Italy’s dictator Benito Mussolini.

        These are the words of Mussolini on fascism:

        – “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

        – “Fascism is a religious concept.”

        – “The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.”

        On the other hand, Capitalism is defined as “an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.” The keyword here is “controlled by private owners”, not the state.

        Since Benito Mussolini claimed that “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”, this is not the case in Capitalism since trade and industry are in the hands of private owners, not the state.

        Let me establish the following points to demolish the fallacious claim of most stupid advocates of communism and dictatorship in this country (https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/insane-socialists/):

        1. Communism, fascism, and capitalism are three terms with distinct meaning, concept, or definition.
        2. Fascism and capitalism do not have the same meaning and concept. In fact they are opposites.
        3. Fascism is about “radical and authoritarian” rule of a political despot, while capitalism is a political system that respects individual rights and recognizes the application of objective laws and legal principles.
        4. Communism is a collectivist political ideology that rejects individual rights, subjugates the individual to the collective, and regards man as the means to the ends of others or the state. Capitalism is the recognition that the individual is an end in himself and not the means to the ends of others.
        5. Communism and fascism are both a collectivist ideology.

        For the benefit of those who embrace reason and who are still willing to think and to use their mind, let me lay down the similarities between Communism and Fascism. They are as follows:

        * Both communism and fascism reject the concept of individual rights. Both regard the individual as the means to the ends of others. Capitalism does the opposite.
        * Both communism and fascism are collectivist ideologies.
        * Both communism and fascism are a form of totalitarian rule or dictatorship. Any individual may be sacrificed or immolated for the sake of common good, public welfare, or whatever the majority or the dictator deems as ‘practical’ or ‘necessary’ for the sake of the good of the majority or the state.
        * Both communism and fascism negate the concept of private property. If communism regards private property as nonexistent, fascism regards private property as a political privilege that may only be given to a special class or group of people (e.g., cronies, czars, etc.)
        * Both communism and fascism regard that political power may only be achieved through bloody revolution or class struggle.
        * Both communism and fascism are racist ideologies. Karl Marx regarded the capitalist people or states as “racial trash”, while Adolf Hitler considered the Jews and ethnic minorities as lower forms of animal.
        * Both communism and fascism are enemies of capitalism.
        * Both communism and fascism consider the fact that killing is necessary to achieve their respective political or utopian goal.

        To further prove you idiocy, here are some of the statements of Nazi officials who were also considered fascists. TAKE NOTE HOW THEY BASH, REJECT CAPITALISM!

        “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” —Adolf Hitler

        “[S]ocialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole.” —Joseph Goebbels, the top propagandist of the Nazi party

        “The concept of personal liberties of the individual as opposed to the authority of the state had to disappear; it is not to be reconciled with the principle of the nationalistic Reich. There are no personal liberties of the individual which fall outside of the realm of the state and which must be respected by the state. The member of the people, organically connected with the whole community, has replaced the isolated individual; he is included in the totality of the political people and is drawn into the collective action. There can no longer be any question of a private sphere, free of state influence, which is sacred and untouchable before the political unity. The constitution of the nationalistic Reich is therefore not based upon a system of inborn and inalienable rights of the individual.”

        —Ernst Rudolf Huber, official spokesman for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, 1939

        “THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST.”

        —NDSAP Program, Point 24, 1920

        “We must rouse in our people the unanimous wish for power in this sense, together with the determination to sacrifice on the altar of patriotism, not only life and property, but also private views and preferences in the interests of the common welfare.”

        —Friedrich von Bernhardi, 1912

        “The worker in a capitalist state—and that is his deepest misfortune—is no longer a living human being, a creator, a maker. He has become a machine. A number, a cog in the machine without sense or understanding. He is alienated from what he produces.”

        —Joseph Goebbels, 1932 pamphlet

        “‘Private property’ as conceived under the liberalistic economic order … represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard for the general interests … German socialism had to overcome this ‘private,’ that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.”

        —Ernst Rudolf Huber, official Nazi Party spokesman, 1939

        Hitler’s Nazi Party against Capitalism:

        “We German National Socialists have recognized that not international solidarity frees the peoples from the ties of international capital, but the organized national force. …The National Socialist German Workers’ Party asks you all to come … to a GIANT DEMONSTRATION against the continued cheating of our people by the Jewish agents of the international world stock-exchange capital.”

        —Nazi Poster, 1921

        “It is not to save capitalism that we fight in Russia … It is for a revolution of our own. … If Europe were to become once more the Europe of bankers, of fat corrupt bourgeoisies … we should prefer Communism to win and destroy everything. We would rather have it all blow up than see this rottenness resplendent. Europe fights in Russia because it [i.e., Fascist Europe] is Socialist. …what interests us most in the war is the revolution to follow …The war cannot end without the triumph of Socialist revolution.”

        —Leon Degrelle, leading National Socialist figure, speaking on behalf of the Nazi SS in occupied Paris, 1943

        “[W]e will do what we like with the bourgeoisie. … We give the orders; they do what they are told. Any resistance will be broken ruthlessly.”

        —Adolf Hitler, 1931

        “The internal and international criminal gang will either be forced to work or simply exterminated.”

        —Adolf Hitler, 1931

        “Today I will once more be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers, inside and outside Europe, succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevisation of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!”

        —Adolf Hitler, 1939

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Fascism and socialism are radical.

        The RH Bill is not radical at all.

        You call yourself radical…and most radical people are insane….

        You have views that honestly, won’t really work….

        Privatizing almost everything is just…plain stupid.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Actually the Nazis were more of NATIONAL SOCIALISTS than FASCISTS.

        Fascism is more of Franco and Mussolini. Please, read about them. They are extremely fascist because they censored free speech, etc. but they still SUPPORTED PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

      • Jay permalink
        October 8, 2010 3:38

        See its rather hard to challenge the intellect of someone when they make it out that RH Bill is facist, let alone something like the a national health care program. Oh and it has been shown that national health care works, despite its hitches. The Philippines doesn’t even have a health care program until it was implemented 2-3 years ago which now have HMOs. Before that, it was nothing more than ‘services rendered’. Hospital gives you a fat bill and you are at their mercy. People would rather suffer or die than check in, depending on the gravity of their illness.

      • October 9, 2010 3:38

        Better read my latest post on RHB to educate yourself. You may raise your rebuttal if you want. However, when you want to rebut my arguments, do not resort to misrepresentation and context-dropping, which I can easily demolish. Argue properly and try to address the points I raised.

        https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/reproductive-health-bill-a-fascist-bill/

  13. October 5, 2010 3:38

    There’s no doubt that the RH bill is a fascist bill. Those who don’t see this are so stupid and crazy.

    During the reign of the Nazi Germany, one of the plans was to control population. Here’s one provision of the The Program of the National-Socialist (Nazi)
    German Workers’ Party: “The State must raise the level of nat:onal health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.”

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/naziprog.html

    • Jay permalink
      October 8, 2010 3:38

      Ground control to Dumb Pango:

      RH bill contains none of those provisions you listed from Germany then. China has something similar especially with their 1-2 child program and state ran sports institutions. But their ideologies regarding the usage of it differ heavily.

  14. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    Oh my God, you people are all mad. You are ignorant bigots. If you find RH Bill fascist, might as well call public education, insurance, the police and fire department, our roads systems, etc. as fascist. Goodbye. You’re all mad. Seriously, insane people call normal regular people insane. You’re like, 100 Radical Capitalists vs. a thousand pro-RH Billers?

    • MC Ramirez permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      “If you find RH Bill fascist, might as well call public education, insurance, the police and fire department, our roads systems, etc. as fascist.”

      MORONIC Pierre Dutiel. Of course, there are all part of fascism. In a fascist regime, all systems and utilities are either owned and controlled by the government, you SCHMUCK! The problem with you is your moronic brain. It seems that you’re a carrier of a MORONIC GENE. Better have yourself examined by our doctors before this bill is enacted, YOU MORON!

      In a fascist regime like Fascist Italy under Mussolini and Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler, education, police, fira department, road systems, the press and the media, and mining companies, etc. are owned or controlled by the state. Only a few private businesses were allowed to operate but under the strong control and scrutiny of the dictator and his minions.

      That’s why you should also read this program of the Nazi Germany: “The Program of the National-Socialist (Nazi) German Workers’ Party,” YOU MORON!

      The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time. The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.

      1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.

      2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the peace treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.

      3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.

      4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.

      5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.

      6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether it is a national, state or local office.

      We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of making party considerations, and not character and ability, the criterion for appointments to official positions.

      7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

      8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the Reich without delay.

      9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.

      10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.

      We therefore demand:

      11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.

      Breaking the Servitude of Interest.

      12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

      13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).

      14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.

      15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.

      16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.

      17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.

      18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.

      19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.

      20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.

      21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.

      22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.

      23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:

      a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;

      b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;

      c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.

      Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.

      24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

      The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of:

      Public Interest before Private Interest.

      25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.

      The Party leadership promises to take an uncompromising stand, at the cost of their own lives if need be, on the enforcement of the above points.

      Munich, February 24, 1920.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        And, how is the RH Bill supposed to be similar to that? None. it’s stupid. The RH Bill doesn’t even force people to use a condom. Stop being such sensitive pricks.

  15. MC Ramirez permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    Pierre Dutiel AKA Carlos Celdran:

    You are the ignorant here, imbicile!

    First, to prove that you’re not imbicile, kindly define fascism. Froivinber properly defined fascism here. Like he said, the RH bill will control the entire industry, inluding the medical profession and the education sector. Did you ever read the bill?

    The RH bill will aim to sacrifice and immolate doctors and businessmen to poor women and poor people. This is massive government intervention at best, YOU FOOL! With this bill, we’re going to slide back to Marcosian dictatorship wherein the government controlled almost every aspect of our lives.

    You have to define fascism and say what you think about this bill to show you’re not a CRAZY MORON!

    I think the title also applies to you: The Height of Stupidity of Carlos Celdran blind follower… MORON!

    • Pierre Dutiel permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      Control the entire industry? ARE YOU PEOPLE BLOODY FUCKING MAD? GIVE ME A SINGLE FUCKING LINE IN THE RH BILL WHERE IT SAYS IT WILL CONTROL THE BLOODY FUCKING MEDICAL INDUSTRY. MOTHERFUCKERS DUMBSHIT CUNT. You just read and read this bloody fucking arsehole of a blog and believe in everything of it when you don’t think for yourself.

      • MC Ramirez permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        OK MORONIC Pierre Dutiel.

        It seems that you really didn’t read the bill, MORON!

        Let me quote some portions of the bill:

        Moron, READ THIS SECTION:

        SEC. 17. Employers’ Responsibilities. – Employers shall respect the reproductive health rights of all their workers. Women shall not be discriminated against in the matter of hiring, regularization of employment status or selection for retrenchment.

        All Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) shall provide for the free delivery by the employer of reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to all workers, more particularly women workers. In establishments or enterprises where there are no CBAs or where the employees are unorganized, the employer shall have the same obligation.

        — If you had any brain at all, you’d understand that this bill mandates, forces, coerces employers to provide “free delivery” of “reasonable quantity of reproductive health care services, supplies and devices to all workers, more particularly women workers.” The problem here is that the phrase “reasonable quantity” was never properly, objectively defined.

        This applies to ALL EMPLOYERS in the Philippines, MORON. This proves that this bill will control the ENTIRE INDUSTRY, because it is stated that “employers shall respect the reproductive health rights of all their workers.” THERE’S NO EXCEMPTION AT ALL, YOU MORON!!!

        Let me quote Froivinber then. Should they pass this bill, these are the most possible consequences, YOU MORON:

        1. Employers would be forced… to lay off or even fire employees.
        2. Employers and doctors would be regarded as potential criminals.
        3. Employers would not hire more people to avoid RH care spending mandated by the bill.
        4. There would be mass exodus of doctors and health care providers.
        5. Local and foreign investors would be discouraged to invest in RP.
        6. There would be massive job loss.
        7. The Philippines would become one of the most unfriendly countries to business (plus consider the possible passage of the Antitrust bill).

        ETO PA BOBO!!!

        SEC. 21. Prohibited Acts. – The following acts are prohibited:

        a) Any health care service provider, whether public or private, who shall:

        1. Knowingly withhold information or impede the dissemination thereof, and/or intentionally provide incorrect information regarding programs and services on reproductive health including the right to informed choice and access to a full range of legal, medically-safe and effective family planning methods;

        2. Refuse to perform voluntary ligation and vasectomy and other legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services on any person of legal age on the ground of lack of spousal consent or authorization. — IBIG SABIHIN, PATI DOCTORS NA AYAW MAG-PERFORM NG LIGATION, ETC AY MAPE-PENALIZED.

        — THIS PROVISION SHOWS HOW THIS BILL BILL CONTROL THE MEDICAL PROFESSION, YOU MORON!!!

        3. Refuse to provide reproductive health care services to an abused minor, whose abused condition is certified by the proper official or personnel of the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) or to duly DSWD-certified abused pregnant minor on whose case no parental consent is necessary.

        4. Fail to provide, either deliberately or through gross or inexcusable negligence, reproductive health care services as mandated under this Act, the Local Government Code of 1991, the Labor Code, and Presidential Decree 79, as amended; and

        5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible: Provided, finally, That the patient is not in an emergency or serious case as defined in RA 8344 penalizing the refusal of hospitals and medical clinics to administer appropriate initial medical treatment and support in emergency and serious cases.

        b) Any public official who prohibits or restricts personally or through a subordinate the delivery of legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services, including family planning;

        c) Any employer who shall fail to comply with his obligation under Section 17 of this Act or an employer who requires a female applicant or employee, as a condition for employment or continued employment, to involuntarily undergo sterilization, tubal ligation or any other form of contraceptive method; –PATI RIN DITO WALANG LIGTAS ANG MGA BUSINESSES, BOBO!!!

        d) Any person who shall falsify a certificate of compliance as required in Section 14 of this Act; and

        e) Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act. — DITO KAHIT SINO PWEDE MA-PENALIZED NG PASISTANG BATAS NA ITO!!!

        ANO ANG PENALTY??? ETO, MORON!!!

        SEC. 22. Penalties. – The proper city or municipal court shall exercise jurisdiction over violations of this Act and the accused who is found guilty shall be sentenced to an imprisonment ranging from one (1) month to six (6) months or a fine ranging from Ten Thousand Pesos (P10,000.00) to Fifty Thousand Pesos (P50,000.00) or both such fine and imprisonment at the discretion of the court. If the offender is a juridical person, the penalty shall be imposed upon the president, treasurer, secretary or any responsible officer. An offender who is an alien shall, after service of sentence, be deported immediately without further proceedings by the Bureau of Immigration. An offender who is a public officer or employee shall suffer the accessory penalty of dismissal from the government service.

        Violators of this Act shall be civilly liable to the offended party in such amount at the discretion of the proper court.

        KUNG MAY UTAK KA, ALAM MO DAAT ANG DIREKSIYON NG PANUKALA NA ITO, BOPOLS! PERO DAHIL WALANG KANG UTAK AT NABABALIW KA NA, HINDI MO ITO MAIINTINDIHAN. KAWAWA KA NAMANG NILALANG…

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        “1. Employers would be forced… to lay off or even fire employees.
        2. Employers and doctors would be regarded as potential criminals.
        3. Employers would not hire more people to avoid RH care spending mandated by the bill.
        4. There would be mass exodus of doctors and health care providers.
        5. Local and foreign investors would be discouraged to invest in RP.
        6. There would be massive job loss.
        7. The Philippines would become one of the most unfriendly countries to business (plus consider the possible passage of the Antitrust bill).”

        And, these are only bullshit theories. Why do you even think the Makati Business Club supports this bill?

        And, excuse me, laws are laws. You’re acting as if because a few laws are implemented doesn’t mean it’s all fascist. It’s stupid and incredibly un-intellectual. Those laws are there to protect the women and their right to information.

      • MC Ramirez permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        You the bullshit here. How would you understand the impact of the bill if you’re a moron?

        Let me tell you that I’m a business owner. As a business owner I have to protect my business. Upon reading the bill, though I didn’t finish law, I know how it would impact my business. THis is why I’m opposing the bill, YOU MORON! If you believe it’s theory, then I don’t care because you never ran or managed any business at all. The guy who authored this bill, Edcel Lagma, is a communist who never managed a business in his entire life so he doesn’t know what ‘s its like to be a business owner.

        The bill is very CLEAR, MORON! It forces, mandates, coerces employers to provide “free delivery” of RH care services to their employer, without any qualification. Are you even a business owner, MORON?

        You talk about theories when you COULDN’T EVEN DEFINE FASCISM PROPERLY. You don’t even know why this bill is a FASCIST BILL. You don’t even know that this bill WILL CONTROL THE ENTIRE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. You don’t even know that it will control THE ENTIRE MEDICAL PROFESSION, YOU MORON!!!

        ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID ARE STUPID, SENSELESS AND WITHOUT ANY SUBSTANCE AT ALL.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Edcel Lagman is a communist?

        Bull. I’m tired with you people who keep labeling people as communist.

        Why don’t you go label also:

        Fidel Ramos, Lea Salonga, Makati Business Club, etc. as communist?

        And, plus, crime rates will go down because of this bill. Don’t you think that’s going to help businesses?

    • Jay permalink
      October 8, 2010 3:38

      And yet for a supposed educated businessman, MC Ramirez tosses FACISM however it pleases and whenever it sounds convenient. So before you whine, tell us how it will impact your business DIRECTLY, not what boy pol-sci has defined it will be.

      The entire business community? The only real businesses that matter in the country are those who can give a fuck about RH Bill because they are above it.

  16. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    If Jesus returned as you… http://www.coffeerooms.com/bb/showthread.php?p=52314

  17. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    China with its one-child policy – that’s bloody fucking fascist right there, you cunts.

    • MC Ramirez permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      “one-child policy” is just one of the ramifications and results of fascism, MORON!!! Sa pamamagitan ng panukala na ito, babalik tayo sa panahon ni Marcos. If you read the provisions I cited above, you’d understand how this bill will control the entire business community, the medical profession and schools. Pero dahil nga MORON ka at WALANG UTAK, wala hanggang diyan ka na lang.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Wow. Moron at walang utak. Galing ng depensa. Sige, putang ina mo.

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        RH Bill doesn’t even censor freedom of speech. It only censors the freedom of speech wherein it can actually hurt somebody. You’re all as ignorant as Glenn Beck…

        http://www.coffeerooms.com/bb/showthread.php?p=52314
        If Jesus returned as you…

      • MC Ramirez permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Oh there you go MORON. Di mo nga nabasa ang bill na ito…

        Did you read SECTION 21 (Prohibited Acts) letter E. It is stated there the followng, MORON: “Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act.”

        So this means that any “who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions” of the bill will be penalized by FINE OR IMPRISONMENT OR BOTH. Grabe tong batas na eto. Eh kayo ngang mga komunista who engage in disinformation against the government ay hindi kayo nape-PENALIZED!!!

        Ang daming disinformation and malicious information ang mga leftists at communists sa bansa natin pero hindi sila nasasampahan ng kaso. Is this not a good example of censorship and violation of free speech?

        KAYA NGA PASISTA ANG BATAS NA ITO, GUNGGONG!!! Ang pwede lang makasuhan at ma-mapenalize na ACTS or DEEDS ay mga libelous information lang, GUNGGONG!!! Ang pagpapakalat ng “disinformation” tungkol sa intent ng panukala na ito ay hindi LIBELOUS, MORON!!!

        DO YOU KNOW UNDERSTAND WHY THE BLOGGER CALLS THIS BILL A FASCIST BILL???

        Well, maybe not, KASI NGA WALA KANG UTAK AT NABABALIW KA NA!!! ANO PA???

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        Misinforming especially women about their reproductive rights, etc. is just wrong. I wouldn’t want to see poor women being lied to about what they can do for themselves. Well, it has been happening now and because of this, many women have been ignorant and are suffering.

        And, stop calling me communist. I’m a social capitalist but you people are too radical that you see everyone as socialist or fascist.

      • MC Ramirez permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        “Misinforming especially women about their reproductive rights, etc. is just wrong.”

        It may be wrong BUT IT IS MORE WRONG AND IMMORAL TO PENALIZE THE ONE WHO CONDUCTS MISINFORMATION… Kagaya ng sinabi ko, paano kaya kung i-apply dun sa kagaya mong leftists OR LEFTIST IN DENIAL OR CLOSET LEFTIST etong batas na eto. Paano kung magpasa si Manong Noynoy ng batas na nagsasabing:

        “Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act.” — The Act is Called Anti-Subversion Law…

        PAPAYAG KA?! Of course, you won’t understand this kasi nga WALA KANG UTAK!!!

      • Pierre Dutiel permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        “BUT IT IS MORE WRONG AND IMMORAL TO PENALIZE THE ONE WHO CONDUCTS MISINFORMATION”

        YES, IT’S WRONG TO PUNISH THOSE WHO DO WRONG. THEREFORE, WE MUST PUNISH THE WOMEN WHO LET THEMSELVES BE INFORMED….

        Are you crazy? I’m out.

      • MC Ramirez permalink
        October 5, 2010 3:38

        You’re the one who’s CRAZY here. So you’re now saying you’re a real FASCIST.

        Don’t you know that this is the only BILL– THE ONLY BILL- with that kind of provision. We had the SUBVERSION LAW during the time of Marcos, but it didin’t have this same provision, YOU MORON… Marcos’s Subversion Law didn’t have this same provision: “Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act.”

        Pano kung mag-adopt si Noynoy ng isang batas… kagaya ng NEW ANTI-SUBVERSION LAW… At magkakaroon ng ganito ring provision para i-penalize at ikulong ang mga communists at leftists kagaya mo???

        “Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this NEW ANTI-SUBVERSION ACT.”

        AGAIN, WALA KA KASING UTAK! GUNGGONG!!!

  18. Pierre Dutiel permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    Europe has more types of RH Bills enacted, and they’re doing fine. I never seen a country wherein Capitalism was the type of government. That’s because it’s unrealistic.

    • MC Ramirez permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      ETO NA NAMA ANG KABOBOHAN NG MORON NA ETO…

      ANG DAMI MO PANG HINDI NASASAGOT:

      1. What’s your definition of fascism?

      2. Why do you think this bill is not a fascist bill?

      3. Did you read the bill. Kasi hindi mo alam yung mga sinabi kong provisions.

      OK let’s go to Europe.

      In Great Britain, don’t you know that the British government now plans to shut down its NHS (National Health Service) kasi masyado nang mahal at hindi effective? Of course, hindi mo alam kasi bobo ka.

      Read this report, MORON. Sana marunong kang magbasa. Parang WALA KANG UTAK.

      Hospital wards to shut in secret NHS cuts: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7529454/Hospital-wards-to-shut-in-secret-NHS-cuts.html

      Read this report: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

      In Canada, halos karamihan sa mga Canadians pumupunta sa US para magpagamot kasi sa haba ng PILA. Malaki din ang TAX SA CANADA DAHIL SA UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, MORON. Tingnan mo ang TAX RATES SA CANADA kasi baka malula ka: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

      Sa France, ganun din. Ang laki ng TAX!!! Compares the TAXES HERE… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

      Wala pa tayong universal health care… Pano kung mayroon na, MORON!!!

      WATCH THIS, MORON!!!

    • Pierre Dutiel permalink
      October 5, 2010 3:38

      Yes, rich people in Canada go to the US for healthcare insurance. While, 1/3 of the people in the US, don’t receive any healthcare insurance at all because healthcare is too expensive and it’s not because they’re lazy, it’s because it’s simply expensive.

      • October 5, 2010 3:38

        You know why it’s very expensive in the US? It’s because of government intervention. Do you have any idea about the “guaranteed issue” and “community rating” policies in the US and how they work? Of course you don’t know…

        I’m not a Johnny-come-lately in regard to this issue. I’ve blogged about this long before, FYI!

        “Problems regarding America’s health care system all sprang from America’s statist policies that forced insurance companies into extending insurance coverage to applicants regardless of their capacity to pay and health conditions. For example, Washington State’s 1993 health-care plan forced insurance companies to accept all new applicants, regardless of pre-existing conditions. Under the “guaranteed issue” and “community rating” policies, insurance companies were coerced and forced into extending insurance policies to applicants at the same price, regardless of health, age, or other risk factors. As a result of this interventionist policies of the American government, the premium of policy holders increased so to cover those who were unable to pay.”

        https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/statistm-a-love-story/

  19. MC Ramirez permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    NGAYON NAPATUNAYAN NA NGA NA PURO BOBO AT ISTUPIDO ANG SUPPORTERS NG RH BILL…

  20. MC Ramirez permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    TO MORONIC Pierre Dutiel:

    I want you to answer these questions:

    1. Is anyone prohibiting you to buy condoms? You might mention the Catholic Church. If this is how you’d reason, I’d say you’re really a moron because almost every 18-year-old boy today ignores the call of the church against the use of condom.

    2. Is anyone prohibiting you to undergo vasectomy?

    3. Is anyone prohibiting your wife or gf to undergo ligation?

    4. Is there anybody who tries to prohibit you to campaign against population explosion?

    5. Are you not a FREE MAN in this country, meaning can you still protest the government and disobey your church?

    6. Can you form an organization that will help promote population management and birth control?

    If YES is your answer to these questions, then I think we can still control that mythical population problem through our own little way… Through private organization and through proper information.

    BUT… This bill forces employers and doctors to provide FREE DELIVERY of RH care services to employees and women, which makes this bill a FASCIST BILL!!! It also penalizes anyone who would engage in what the bill calls DISINFORMATION about its intent. AND… pwede pang MAMULTA O MABILANGGO OR BOTH ang mga EMPLOYERS at DOCTORS… THis is FASCISM, MORON!!!

  21. MC Ramirez permalink
    October 5, 2010 3:38

    Pierre Dutiel na MORON!

    Kung talagang magaling ka at alam mo ang pinagsasabi mo, bakit ka nagtatago sa TROLL NICK?

    Nakakahiya ang mga pinagsasabi mo dito. WHAT’S YOUR REAL NAME? BAKA IKAW MISMO SI CELDRAN O SI EDCEL LAGMAN!

    Sagutin mo muna ang mga tanong ko sa taas baka ka na naman umarangkada ng mga walang kuwenta mong argumento…

    TO MORONIC Pierre Dutiel:

    I want you to answer these questions:

    1. Is anyone prohibiting you to buy condoms? You might mention the Catholic Church. If this is how you’d reason, I’d say you’re really a moron because almost every 18-year-old boy today ignores the call of the church against the use of condom.

    2. Is anyone prohibiting you to undergo vasectomy?

    3. Is anyone prohibiting your wife or gf to undergo ligation?

    4. Is there anybody who tries to prohibit you to campaign against population explosion?

    5. Are you not a FREE MAN in this country, meaning can you still protest the government and disobey your church?

    6. Can you form an organization that will help promote population management and birth control?

    If YES is your answer to these questions, then I think we can still control that mythical population problem through our own little way… Through private organization and through proper information.

    BUT… This bill forces employers and doctors to provide FREE DELIVERY of RH care services to employees and women, which makes this bill a FASCIST BILL!!! It also penalizes anyone who would engage in what the bill calls DISINFORMATION about its intent. AND… pwede pang MAMULTA O MABILANGGO OR BOTH ang mga EMPLOYERS at DOCTORS… THis is FASCISM, MORON!!!

  22. Randall Juan permalink
    October 9, 2010 3:38

    Bwahahahahahaha! I couldn’t help but laugh to the RH Bill supporters here on your blog. You totally exposed their idiocy (please pardon my harshness). They are nothing but a bunch of pigs being pulled in chains by the so-called makabayan at makamahihirap politicians.

    Oh Pierre Dutiel, a.k. a. Carlos Celdran – please evaluate what you are saying here first because it is being revealed that you are only good in dramatics and media blitz.

    Can’t you see that your politicians are using this issue to get more pera sa kaban ng bayan? Bwahaha…

    Anyways, I don’t fully agree with the author of this blog but I agree with the points raised here.

    1. The RH Bill proponents are espousing “free choice” yet the provision of this bill forces medical practitioners to follow it to the letter or be fined.

    2. I disagree with their claims that the Church is totalitarian. No, the Church is respecting the free will and the conscience of the people. The priests can always talk behind their pulpit but it is the people who will decide if they will follow the priests or not.

    The Church is not coercing anyone to follow its teaching. Anyone can get out of the Church anytime he/she wanted.

    3. It is the RH Bill that is destroying the right of the people. This is the reason why the author of this blog treats the bill as a fascist instrument.

    4. Finally, kung seryoso kayo sa pagbabawas ng population then I am calling all RH Bill supporters to do a mass ligation within their ranks. Pumila silang lahat sa mga ospital at mag-pa kapon yung mga lalaki at magpa-ligate yung mga babae. They should lead by example.

  23. Randall Juan permalink
    October 9, 2010 3:38

    Anyways,

    I-introduce kong blog post mo na ito sa mga “matitinong kausap” na RH Bill supporters para naman magkaroon ka ng matitinong kausap dito at para matalakay ng malaliman yung issue mo dito.

    Si Pierre Dutiel kasi puro shallowness na lang ang argument. Ako nahihiya sa kanya eh.

  24. Love permalink
    October 10, 2010 3:38

    exactly so much misleading arguement by the RH Bill, used misinformation, fascist promotion-propaganda, corruptly fueled “solution” a wolf in sheeps clothing to the now misguided angst of issues, just plain defile and distortion,hay. sob sob talaga. We are called to pray instead of entertain such distressing arguements with someone who lacks love, understanding, guidance and who fail to see the truth, because their hearts have been hardened and no matter how you humanly help them, they just won’t have it, for they are lost. Stay strong with your values and morality. Peace and love be with you bro&sis. God Bless.

  25. Donovan Babiano permalink
    October 17, 2010 3:38

    Fascist?

    Free-Farters?

    Geez. Come off it.

  26. Jose Hidalgo permalink
    November 18, 2010 3:38

    You know what I see on your Site? CRAP… TOTAL CRAP…

    All you do is RANT on things… RANT on the RH BILL… RANT on the Government…

    Hell… Even I hate the Government… But it doesn’t mean I’ll go everyday saying “You know what? The Government Sucks”…

    I would have liked your post if you would present alternatives to these problems… But all you can is RANT… Para ka lang umiiyak sa nanay mo at nagsusumbong at walang ginagawa kundi umiyak buong araw…

    I would really really like it if instead of saying such NEGATIVE Things… (Which I see all over the site) you would also propose alternatives… For example… If you really hate the Government… Then what do you think should we do? If you hate the RH Bill… Then how would you control the ever growing population?

    • November 18, 2010 3:38

      oh, here’s the filipino freethinkers’ troll and sockpuppet again lol! you won’t answer my challenge to you in your previous posts right? oh yes! because your only mission here is to troll! what a disgusting behavior of the filipino freethinkers. i’m 101 percent sure you’re an ff!

      first i’m alo 1000 percent sure you didn’t read this post because you’re only here to troll, ff sockpuppet!

      you ff troll said: “You know what I see on your Site? CRAP… TOTAL CRAP…”

      where’s the “total crap”? if you’re so honest enough and if you defend reason and science, kindly show your evidence and do not just rant?

      you ff troll said: “All you do is RANT on things… RANT on the RH BILL… RANT on the Government…”

      this is an epic fail! he’s ranting against what? the government? in this post? see? you ff troll didn’t read this post! what a filipino freethinker prick! fyi, vince is not ranting against the government here! he’s ranting against fascist carlos celdran and you filipino freethinkers or freefarters. from now on, i’m gonna call you, idiots, freefarters because you deserve this label!

      you ff troll said: “Hell… Even I hate the Government… But it doesn’t mean I’ll go everyday saying “You know what? The Government Sucks”…”

      is that what he said here if you read the post? he said, carlos celdran and the ff suck! wahahahahha!

      you ff troll said: “I would have liked your post if you would present alternatives to these problems… But all you can is RANT… Para ka lang umiiyak sa nanay mo at nagsusumbong at walang ginagawa kundi umiyak buong araw…”

      and i would have liked if you really read this post and showed your own rebuttal. but you did not because you’re an ff troll, right? is this twin-skies or innerminds? if you read his previous posts on the rh bill, you would have understand that he presented his alternative very clearly and convincingly, and only the ff wouldn’t get it because they’re all brainless. his alternative is free-market system. besides, he doesn’t believe everything must be provided for by the government because welfare statism failed in all parts of the world, idiot!

      you ff troll said: “I would really really like it if instead of saying such NEGATIVE Things… (Which I see all over the site) you would also propose alternatives… For example… If you really hate the Government… Then what do you think should we do? If you hate the RH Bill… Then how would you control the ever growing population?”

      again, i would have liked if you really read this post and presented you cause against the blogger’s arguments. but you did not simply because you an ff troll. get real and get back to reality, ff troll!

  27. marc permalink
    November 22, 2010 3:38

    wow there are lots of polsci people here. *me not polsci nor ff* There is good reason why radical capitalists/communists are called radical… and that’s because they’re non-existent. Probably they exist elsewhere, Neverland perhaps? LOL

  28. josh permalink
    September 18, 2011 3:38

    abstinence is what the catholic church preaches. The catholic church in the Philippines is spending a lot of money to pass this bill, they even imported an American lay preacher to preach abstinence to the young. Yet this same preacher is seen everyday in a massage parlor along Sumulong Highway….. & has even had affairs with a couple of the young girls “masseuse”. mind you this same preacher-man has a wife & 2 kids in L.A.
    Abstinence indeed…… Can’t the Catholic Church do anything right? or at least check out who you want to speak for you?

  29. condor permalink
    August 5, 2012 3:38

    just go fuck rand and give ronnie p a head.

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