To All UP Students: Education is NOT a Right!
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“The right to life, e.g., does not mean that your neighbors have to feed and clothe you; it means you have the right to earn your food and clothes yourself, if necessary by a hard struggle, and that no one can forcibly stop your struggle for these things or steal them from you if and when you have achieved them. In other words: you have the right to act, and to keep the results of your actions, the products you make, to keep them or to trade them with others, if you wish. But you have no right to the actions or products of others, except on terms to which they voluntarily agree.” — Dr. Leonard Peikoff, from Health Care is Not a Right.
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First, let me open this blog by reminding protesting University of the Philippines students that the taxpayers are not your slaves! I am outraged by the worsening level of liberal indoctrination and Marxist idiotation of our so-called “iskolar ng bayan” (state scholars). With their so dangerous, so ignorant a belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the needs of Juan.
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The video link below shows a number of UP “red shirts” from Baguio campus who call on the new administration to increase government subsidy for state universities. Hundreds of UP students wearing red shirt march to the campus’ historic Oblation to air their opposition to the state university’s plan to impose tuition increase.
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A lone cop isn’t able to stop the students from expressing their collective outrage in front of the landmark statue, which is the symbol of service and heroism in the country. As a male student mounts a banner on the outstretched arms of the famed statue, the rest of the enraged students collectively shout “Edukasyon, edukasyon, karapatan ng mamamayan” (Education, education, a right of all citizens). The male student who puts up the banner then speaks into the megaphone. “Tayo ay tunay na iskolar ng bayan. Tayo ay maninindigan, magiging kritikal, mapangahas, at mapanuri sa sistema ng ating lipunan.” The banner attached to outstretched arms of The Oblation read: “FIGHT FOR HIGHER STATE SUBSIDY.”
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This student protest is indeed a symbolic one. It is their way of reaffirming the underlying message of The Oblation, which has “served as a symbol of the spirit of dedication of the University of the Philippines to the ideals of service to our people and of loyalty to the cause of human betterment.” The statue of service and heroism is the masterpiece of well-known Filipino sculptor Guillermo Tolentino, whose order was to concretize the second stanza of Jose Rizal’s “Last Farewell” into a solid work of art, which would embody the ideals and purpose of the state university. The second stanza of Rizal’s historic poem read:
“In fields of battle, deliriously fighting, Others give you their lives, without doubt, without regret; Where there’s cypress, laurel or lily, On a plank or open field, in combat or cruel martyrdom, If the home or country asks, it’s all the same–it matters not.”
The creator of the symbolic artwork described his masterpiece:
The completely nude figure of a young man with outstretched arms and open hands, with tilted head, closed eyes and parted lips murmuring a prayer, with breast forward in the act of offering himself, is my interpretation of that sublime stanza. It symbolizes all the unknown heroes who fell during the night. The statue stands on a rustic base, a stylized rugged shape of the Philippine archipelago, lined with big and small hard rocks, each of which represents an island. The “katakataka” (wonder plant) whose roots are tightly implanted on Philippine soil, is the link that binds the symbolized figure to the allegorical Philippine Group. “Katakataka” is really a wonder plant. It is called siempre vivo (always alive) in Spanish. A leaf or a piece of it thrown anywhere will sprout into a young plant. Hence, it symbolizes the deep-rooted patriotism in the heart of our heroes. Such patriotism continually and forever grows anywhere in the Philippines.
However, this is not my interpretation of The Oblation. The very first time I laid my eyes on that legendary statue, I saw a man of selfish heroism, whose only service and duty is only to himself, and who regards service to all as the most evil form of self immolation. I saw a man of purpose and of vision and not an object of social sacrifice. I saw an unbroken soul who knows his purpose— and that purpose is the commitment of his life to the highest form of virtue, which is man’s pursuit of happiness. I saw a man struggling against slavery and any form of social immolation. He does not want to be reduced to a mere slave. He wants to be free, to be left alone, and to go on living according to his will and rational ideals. No, the human soul that is being symbolized by that statue is not an object of social sacrifice. He’s an iconic symbol of individual heroism. With his outstretched arms and open hands he is all alone— and he embarks on the greatest battle a man of rational mind and of purpose could ever fight: the struggle of the individual against collectivism.
The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide their educational needs. Their fight for higher state subsidy only means two things: First, they want to be the beneficiaries of “service”, and Second, the productive members of our society must be condemned to serve the good of these social beneficiaries. Where do they think the government will get the money to serve their needs? The government has no magical power to turn a stone into gold, to turn a piece of wood into a loaf of bread. But it has the power to confiscate a portion of the hard-earned money of those who work and produce wealth, which is the power of taxation. It has the power to turn a truckload of worthless paper into tons and tons of paper money, which is the power of printing money out of thin air. It also has the power to mortgage our country and the future of its people to serve the immediate need of our society, which is the power of contracting foreign and domestic debt.
You complain about the country’s huge foreign debt and high tax rates yet you continue to demand more from the government? Don’t you know that more public demands and subsidies means the government will have more power to take everything you value in life? More demands means more state power. Most students of public schools believe that education is a right. They claim that the state must provide their educational needs, but where will the government get the money and the goods to perform this magical job? Who will be sacrificed in the name of free or subsidized education? To all protesting state university students, education is NOT a right! In one of my previous blogs entitled The Seeds of Evil: How Communism Infiltrates Public Universities, I stated the following:
Education is not a right. A ‘right’ means man’s freedom of action in a social context. It pertains only to human action, specifically, to man’s freedom of action. A person is not born with a right to a trip to tour the country’s tourist destinations. A person has no in-born, innate right to a dinner at Manila Hotel, or a free cosmetic surgery at Belo Medical Clinic or a college degree in Nursing or Medicine. Those who argue that every person in these parts has the right to a free education either do not understand the proper concept of right or have sinister political agenda. We cannot have such right to a better and free access to education because the concept of individual rights in a free society does not impose any obligation on other people. The only obligation or responsibility of every individual is to leave his neighbor alone, to not violate his rights, to not interfere with his private life. We don’t have a right to enslave the productive members of our society. Free access to education simply means socialized or highly subsidized education. It means that someone has to be immolated or sacrificed to others. While students in private schools, colleges, and universities pay the ‘agreed’ amount of school fees, student activists would like to be exempted from this obligation. I used the word ‘agreed’ since student consultation is required by the government through the CHED before any tertiary school is permitted to increase its tuition rate. If students activists demand exemption, the question is: who would pay for their “better and free education?” The taxpayers, of course.
Indeed, our state universities are becoming more and more a threat to our country and to the freedom and individual rights of its people.
Since a lot of UP students are ignorant of the proper concept of rights, I have to make a significant addendum to this blog. Knowing the proper concept of rights is very important, as it is the key to understanding whether Pedro has the right to ask the government to steal from Juan in order to serve his needs. Lack of proper understanding of the real concept of rights is bringing the whole country to dictatorship and socialism. We see liberals and leftist protesters asking for exclusive government protection, free or cheap medicines, free health care, free or subsidized food, free access to quality education, and free “everything.” What do you think will happen to a country of freeloaders and free-askers? Do these “little dictators” think that the government has a magical power to create wealth out of nothing? Where will the government get the wealth and goods to provide their needs? In reality, we are not yet considered a free society. A free society means an informed society.
A right is not fundamentally a legal term simply because it is not created and should not be created by a piece of legislation or executive order. A right is not a constitutional creature. It is merely recognized and affirmed by our constitution. But the problem is even our 1987 Constitution has a confused, invalid understanding of the concept of rights. This is the reason why our country is moving towards complete political and economic disaster and collectivism.
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy provides the most accurate and most objective definition of rights:
Rights are entitlements (not) to perform certain actions or be in certain states, or entitlements that others (not) perform certain actions or be in certain states.
Rights dominate most modern understandings of what actions are proper and which institutions are just. Rights structure the forms of our governments, the contents of our laws, and the shape of morality as we perceive it. To accept a set of rights is to approve a distribution of freedom and authority, and so to endorse a certain view of what may, must, and must not be done. (Emphasis mine)
The following are the categories of rights:
A right to life, a right to choose; a right to vote, to work, to strike; a right to one phone call, to dissolve parliament, to operate a forklift, to asylum, to equal treatment before the law, to feel proud of what one has done; a right to exist, to sentence an offender to death, to launch a nuclear first strike, to carry a concealed weapon, to a distinct genetic identity; a right to believe one’s own eyes, to pronounce the couple husband and wife, to be left alone, to go to hell in one’s own way.
A “right” is a moral principle elucidating and warranting a man’s freedom of action in a social context. The categories of rights above show that rights are only limited to man’s rights to his LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY, and his PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. The concept of rights excludes and rejects man’s right of force and compulsion. UP and other state university students’ demand for a free and/or subsidized education is tantamount to a right of compulsion and force; that is, by granting the government the power to redistribute wealth and confiscate the wealth of those who work and produce in order to serve the interest and the needs of those who don’t. We have all the right to work and achieve our goals in life, but we don’t have the right to ask the government to provide us jobs by sacrificing private businesses and companies.
The legendary and most touted “right to free education” simply means the government must sacrifice a particular sector of our society in order to serve the welfare and the needs of a certain beneficiary sector. This is because the government has no depository of unlimited amount of goods and wealth. The government is not a productive agency, but an agency that relies on forced and not “voluntary” taxation, which is apparently an oxymoron. The student protesters’ demand for “free education” would only enshrine or establish institutionalized theft wherein the government plays the role of an ever benevolent Robin Hood by robbing the wealth of the productive members of our society in order to serve the weak, the not-have, or less privileged in life.
Let me reiterate that the concept of rights does not include the right of compulsion and coercion, directly or indirectly. The worst form of coercion or extortion is the one being performed by the government in order to perform what is called the “greater good” or the “common good.” This is what is happening in most socialist slave pens on earth- in Cuba, in North Korea, in China, in Veneuzela and other dictatorships where the governments provide free health care, rationed or subsidized food, free education, etc.
Again, the “right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality. The framers of our Constitution dismissed the fact that the government is not supposed to be a “Robin Hood” agency, but an agency which has the sole duty to protect our individual rights and to safeguard this country against invasion or against internal threat. The framers of our Charter forgot the fact that before there can be something to “redistribute”, there has to be a definite source of wealth. They simply did not understand the relation between production and distribution. The constitutional right to”quality education at all levels” and “accessible education” is a puerile fantasy that is never grounded in reality. Such a right is an invalid concept and a floating abstraction.
The question really is not whether our students have the “right to quality education at all levels”, but whether there is such a fantastical “right.” I am primarily against this notion- that the state, according to our semi-socialist Constitution, has the eternal duty to “protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels” and “to make such education accessible to all”- simply because it is against economic and political realities and because it will only lead to our own collective destruction. In fact, it would be a great idea if the government really had the power to create wealth out of nothing. But this is not the reality. Reality tells us that the government is the most dependent entity on earth. It depends on our physical and mental ability to work and produce wealth. Thus, the concept of “free access to quality education” is a highly onerous mortgage on a not yet existing wealth, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to deliver it.
Ayn Rand, a Russian-born American philosopher, once wrote:
A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action—which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life. (Such is the meaning of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.)
The concept of a “right” pertains only to action—specifically, to freedom of action. It means freedom from physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other men.
Thus, for every individual, a right is the moral sanction of a positive—of his freedom to act on his own judgment, for his own goals, by his own voluntary, uncoerced choice. As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.
The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.
Bear in mind that the right to property is a right to action, like all the others: it is not the right to an object, but to the action and the consequences of producing or earning that object. It is not a guarantee that a man will earn any property, but only a guarantee that he will own it if he earns it. It is the right to gain, to keep, to use and to dispose of material values.
She further wrote:
The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life.
Yes, by asking the government to serve and provide your educational needs, you are inadvertently contributing to the complete destruction of this semi-socialist nation. Like what Socrates said: ”
“No trace of slavery ought to mingle with the studies of a freeborn man. No study pursued under compulsion remains rooted in the memory.”
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What About the Poor Who Can’t Pay for their Education?
Pres. Aquino and His Society of Lemmings
The Seeds of Evil: How Communism Infiltrates Public Universities
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Education is deemed as a basic need. Saan mo ikinukumpara ang right to education? sa right to have a trip to tour the country’s tourist destinations? sa right to a dinner at Manila Hotel? o sa free cosmetic surgery at Belo Medical Clinic? ano ba naman. wala na bang mas logical kesa diyan? HINDI LUXURY O COMMODITY AND EDUCATION! don’t you ever compare it sa mga bagay na sinasabi mo!
To all the leftists here, do you ever ask yourselves maybe your beliefs are wrong? That expanding government bureaucracy just MAY BE THE PROBLEM instead of the solution to social problems? Students of UP don’t realize it because they get quality education, but that quality comes DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF UP education being government-run. If you look at the other 90% of public schools they are all a mess! There must be a reason why government run systems are so wasteful and corrupt. And the reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.
Hey, if government can provide good and quality education, then why don’t we just double the budget, triple the budget? Just to give you some perspective, the budget for education takes up a considerably large portion of the total budget and is the fastest growing, it has grown by 80 billion in the past five years. Now it is about 180 billion pesos. What has been the effect? Same as always. Boring textbooks riddled with errors and catering to the least common denominator, the dullest. No improvement whatsoever, just creating more future criminals and socialists.
Why don’t people look at the facts! It’s in the Dept. of Budget and Management website! Instead of clamoring for more government spending on everything, you should work to cut government spending on everything. The true fight against corruption is the fight against taxation and government spending. It is impossible to be corrupt if you have nothing to be corrupt with.
Face it! If government can solve social problems with more money at its disposal, then we would have created heaven on earth a looooong time ago.
And may I remind you that governments have killed 200 million people in the 20th century alone, the century of DEMOCRATIC government. I also would like to remind you that those 200 million were killed at the ALTAR OF THE COMMON GOOD. There is something called the TYRANNY OF GOOD INTENTIONS, read up on it!
http://mises.org/daily/2739
Wala ka siguro sa UP kaya mo sinasabi ‘yan. Hay..
The comments on this blog post have proven that the most dangerous threat to this country is the dominance of leftist professors in the state universities, and I would even argue that they are successfully radicalizing political science students in top private universities today. Leftist politics and hysterical pseudo-moralizing are the cancer.
If UP’s main contribution to the Philippines is socialism then we should outright abolish it. No matter how good engineering graduates in UP are, the good is overwhelmingly surpassed by the damage that socialist ideas create. Smart engineers are worth squat if their services are not geared towards the needs of people, and the only way to know the needs of people is through the price mechanism, not some value-judgment by mentally senile politicians/parasites.
If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education.
the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education is not the fastest growing budget and definitely NOT the HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin… in fact, there is a budget cut on education and education is just third among the high budgets: (1)debt servicing, (2)MILITARIZATION, (3) education..
the blogger is implying that we do not base our arguments on facts… baka siya lang..lolz..to him, i say PLEASE DO RESEARCH on the 2010 National Budget
the blogger DOES NOT speak in behalf of the almost 75% of mid & low class Filipinos who strive harder to earn for a living and to pay taxes… what’s the main purpose of taxes? that is to have funding for BASIC SOCIAL SERVICES and then the blogger accuses the Filipinos of making taxpayers as their slaves
Lastly, in Thomas F. Woodlock’s article on the Definition of Democracy, he says that a CONSTITUTION does NOT grant the personal rights that it PROTECTS but RECOGNIZES them as INHERENT in the natural dignity of a persons… Thus, IF THE BLOGGER would just ANALYZE as we ANALYZE, provided that our 1987 Constitution, ARTICLE 14, SEC. 1, mandates the State to provide ACCESSIBLE and QUALITY EDUCATION, this means that the Constitution RECOGNIZES EDUCATION as an INHERENT RIGHT of the people.
With this, I challenge the blogger to be SCIENTIFIC.
ERRATUM:
the first sentence:
the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education is not the fastest growing budget and definitely NOT the HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin…
should be:
the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education isthe fastest growing budget and definitelythe HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin… actually, IT IS NOT…
fyi, I’m not the blogger
Click to access DEPED.pdf
There’s the link to DepEd new appropriations
For my main point, what do you suggest? We throw in another 100 billion pesos to spend on education? Do you even have any idea how large that is? It is so easy for you because its not your money. What’s your solution? Triple the taxes on the rich? Oh cause that’s really worked throughout history. How ’bout borrow more money from foreigners like Gloria did? Or printing more fiat money?
Stealing doesn’t become suddenly good just because your distributing it to the poor. In fact, it will hurt the poor more than it will hurt the rich. It’s called the Law of Unintended Consequences.
http://mises.org/daily/2073
the reason why UP excels despite of it being run by the government as you said, is because of the teachers who sacrifice not getting high salaries for the students!! Lahat ba ng binibigay na budget napupunta sa UP at sa ibang mga public schools? Hindi naman! at bumababa pa every year. Alamin sana muna kasi yung nangyayari bago magcomment diba. 😉
@iska983929
There would still be no improvement even if corruption ceased starting tomorrow.
There is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not the character of government officials, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.
@Abolish the University of the Philippines
It sucks di ba na hindi niya alam iyung Problem of Economic Calculation Pero let him figure it out at patunayan niyang hindi siya BOBO na gumagala sa UP. Tutal, alam dapat niyang hindi uso sa UP ang spoon-feeding.
“If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education.”
If you’d abolish UP and other STATE Us then where do you expect the students coming from CLASSES D, and E to enroll? Private schools? You wish!
Now, I can see why the Philippines doesn’t have that much progress. It’s because of people like you wanting success only in their circle. Selfish I must say. The rich becoming richer an the poor becoming poorer. Is this what you want? If yes, then you are really selfish.
for your info……. 3rd priority lng ang education budget…… and it only takes a small part of the yearly budget…… 1st na priority is the pambayad ng utang ng pilipinas…… sinasabi lng namin kht dagdagan lng ang budget ng education na kuin mula sa ganung kalaking binabayad sa utang ng bansa…..
government subsidizes UP as an investment. they invest onto whom they think would most likely be productive for this country. people whom they think are worth investing for. why UP? for more than a hundred years of excellence… WHY NOT UP?
so sad that you didn’t have a chance to experience how education in UP is like though it is not surprising why you didn’t make it.
that’s life dude. learn to accept it. 😀
enough of sour graping. move on.
@ Blogbug. That’s the most disgusting excuse I’ve ever heard. Investing in education is the worst thing a government could do. This issue has a lot of ramifications that cannot be explained fully in this blog section. The government has been investing in education ever since. Look at the result. Most of the progress we have in RP came from the intellectual capital of other countries, United States in particular. And the producers of wealth in the US came from private education. Most of the innovation and technology we have here are IMPORTED, which are mostly a product of Western private education.
Kung tama ako eh ang issue dito eh State Subsidy sa edukasyon? Hindi lang talaga State subsidy sa UP? so ibig sabihin nito eh pinaglalaban nila ang state subsidy sa edukasyon sa lahat ng antas. Elementary, highschool at college?
Papa, ganito lang kasi yan eh. . . ang mga sinasabi mong karapatan eh nakasulat na talaga sa constitution. ibig sabihn eh meron na talagang obligation ang gobyerno natin na ibigay ang mga ito. ang hinihingi lang siguro ng mga taong ito na lumalaban eh bigyan nila ng pansin.
Sinabe mo na nga na hindi lahat ng Unibersidad at Kolehiyo ng Pilipinas ay katulad ng UP. Sino ba ang me kasalanan dun kundi ang Gobyerno din lang? State ngarud. Ang obligation ng gobyerno sa edukasyon ay di lang pinansyal. Obligation din nila na panatilihin na mataas ang ang lebel ng edukasyon sa mga ito.
Marami nga sa UP ang leftist pero ginagawa lang nila eh aang pinaglalaban nila eh ang sambayanan. Ang mga taong katulad nila pero hindi kasing pinagpalad. Ipinag lalaban lang naman nila ang mga taong kasama naman kasi talaga nila. Siguro ganun ka din at ipinaglalaban mo ang grupong kasama ka. Wag ka mag alala at malamang eh mas naiintindihan ka nila kesa sa pagiintindi mo sa kanila.
Eto nalang kasi un. karamihan ng mga ipinaglalaban nila eh walang kakayahan para ipaglaban ang sarili nila. Ni makaen nga eh hirap sila. Pababayaan nalang ba dapat sila ng gobyerno. grabe ka naman. Kayang kaya na ng mga ELITISTA ang mabuhay ng maayos. Eh sila?
@MIKE: paanu din ba nila naabot ung ganung klaseng estado? nagaral din kaya kc sila malamang un lang nga sa private institutions. pero ung point dun nag aral muna sila. naimprove nila ung human resources/ human capital through education at umabot sila sa extent na naabot nila ung mga bagay na un. hindi lang naman panay mga amerikano ang gumawa nun eh. . .
Alam mo ba un Brain Drain? un ang ginagawa ni Papa Uncle Sam eh. kinukuha nila ung mga “magagaling” na tao, san man sila sa mundo (ibig sabihin di lahat sila kano ha?) iba’t ibang nationality ang nagproduce ng kanilang progress. madalas lahat ng mga un eh NAKAPAGARAL/ PINAGARALAN muna ung field nila. (ibig sabihin din nito eh dinevelop nila muna ung human capital nila.
Kahit san ka naman kasi nanggaling na institution, Private man o Public, kung magaling ka at productive ka madalas eh magproproduce ka ng positive effects.
ito pa kasi. narerecognize ung mga ginagawa nila, binibigyan ng venue para i-apply di tulad dito sa pilipinas. basta nakapag aral na sila eh aus na. pabayaan na pagkatapos. kahit mga inventions na sana eh magpapayaman satin eh binibigay nalang sa iba dahil walang supporta.
parang ang ibig mo kasi sabihin eh patuloy nalang tau magpakamangmang at hintayin nalang natin ung mga biyaya galing sa kanila? husay
well, you too don’t understand what a right is… you can consult many references as you want not just stanford dictionary of philosophy.. it makes you less intellectual in your conclusions about the view of the students about education… well, if they should pay their own fees then they shouldn’t be called iskolar ng bayan… what’s the big deal if the government increase education budget? well, baka hindi mo pa naririnig yung tungkol sa unprogrammed fund, eh di i-program nila yun para may paglaanan at hindi bulsa…
well, we fight for what we believe in and a person who thinks like you can change that!
MABUHAY MGA ISKOLAR NG BAYAN!!!!
EDUKASYON, KARAPATAN NG MAMAMAYAN!!!
IBALIK SA BAYAN ANG UP!!!
You better read the constitution first. (A copy of the part concerning education can be read here: http://www.chanrobles.com/article14.htm) Its very first section deems all your arguments as invalid.
notably, the second section of article 14 says that the government is only required to provide free education in elementary and high school levels
Sino ba nagsabing “free education” ang hinihingi namin?
kahit nga un di nila magawa (ng mabuti) eh. . .
haha. Our constitution is INVALID especially that stupid article 12(protectionist) and 13(welfare). You have to dig deeper and see the other side of the coin.
ignorance is bliss.
and stupidity too.
HEAR HEAR! 🙂
The Constitution (Section 2, Article 14) states that the state shall “Establish and maintain, a system of free public education in the elementary and high school levels.” However, Section 1 of Article 14 states that, “The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels, and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.” In my interpretation the Constitution does not grant free tertiary education however, the state is compelled by the Constitution to make tertiary education “accessible to all.” How the state is going to make it accessible to all is a different question. Greater state subsidy for SUCs (State Universities and Colleges) is one way of making it accessible.
Attacking the reds who are hijacking legitimate cause will is not a good strategy. A more appropriate way of attacking them is by depriving them the reason to protest. I view the reds or the communists as a necessary evil. Their mere presence indicates how the government has failed to do its responsibilities to the people.
while i agree with you arguments, i disagree your generalization that REDS are COMMUNISTS.. not all reds are communists, some are just activists lobbying the rights of the oppressed..:D
wala lng..gusto ko lng i-comment: at kailan pa naging evil ang mga aktibista?..kung ang pakikibaka para sa tunay na interes ng mga mamamayan at pakikibaka para sa tunay na kasarinlan ng ating bansa ay masama, ano na lamang ba ngayon ang “good?”
uu nga naman kasi. . . ang mga aktibista eh hindi naman talaga lang mga communista. . . dame kaya. . . kahit nga mga taong nasa upper echelons ng lipunan (kahit anu pa pinaglalabanan at pinaniniwalaan) ay minsan nagiging aktibista din eh
uu nga din naman. . . kelan pa naging masama ang maging aktibista at ipaglaban ang karapatan mo at mga katulad mong taong naghihirap. hinihingi lang naman ng mga aktibista ang katuparan ng pangako ng gobyerno ah.
I agree with BAKIT AKO! when s/he stated that you could not compare Education to Luxury/Commodity. Your analogy/analysis may make sense, but with all due respect, you commit a common mistake of anyone who does not think critically, and that is to compare two things that do not fall into the same domain.
And as to your belief that Education is not a Right. Perhaps you should read the Philippine Constitution. You might realize that you are the ignorant one as to assume such thing. If you argue that taxpayers are not slaves, then your claim defeats its purpose. Every tax payer is a slave. A slave of Capitalism and its downside.
To point out the UP students do not ask the taxpayers more than what they can offer, you must know that the government is the one responsible for PROPER distribution and allocation of resources (aka budget) to each and every sector. But this the government had failed to do so. The government, as you know (that is IF you know), allocated more money to the Military sector than to Education sector. This is one of the reasons as to why UP students rally for their RIGHT. They are not stating that taxpayer should pay higher taxes. And if I may state, the UP students are NOT asking the GOVERNMENT to STEAL from PEDRO to serve the need of JUAN. You just committed a grave mistake by making a hasty generalization.
If you have read Jose Rizal’s “Indolence of the Filipino”, perhaps you should know Jose Rizal penned that “Education is the key to Liberty and Freedom.” If then Education is not a Right, how would you free “UP Students” from “ignorance” and “Marxist Idiotation”?
ang dami mong alam…..
pero ang alam mo eh mali.
‘tol, try mong magbasa ng philippine constitution. if the constitution declares something as a right, kahit ano pang sabihin mo na a right is man’s freedom of action in a social context, right pa din yun. pare! don’t play with rhetoric. alam naman natin na maraming ibig sabihin ang isang salita. at isa pa. when you make analogies, make it proper. di namang commodity ang edukasyon eh. ang edukasyon naman eh di tulad ng bakasyon sa mga destinasyon na pangleisure lang, dinner sa manila hotel na pampabusog lang, o cosmetic surgery na kaartehan lang. ANG EDUKASYON AY PARA MAPALAYA ANG ISANG TAO SA KAMANGMANGAN AT TURUAN SIYANG MAGING PRODUKTIBO!
tingin mo, paano magkakaroon ng produktibong mamamayan na magbabayad ng tax kung hindi sila nakapagaral? asan isip tol? at kung ang mga estudyante ng mga state universities ay kalaban ng bansa, isang example lang pare, 30 sa 31 national scientists ay galing sa UP (ung 1 doon eh student sa college of engineering sa up bago nagkaroon ng scholarship sa MIT)
pare, gusto mo bigyan kita ng suklay? kulut-kulot kasi ang pangintindi ng utak mo eh.
nakalimutan ko pare. kahit sa up ako grumaduate, TAX PAYERS ANG MGA MAGULANG KO!!!!
baka tampalin kita ng pera eh!
haha sama mo na tsinelas kong pantampal ha. nung binili ko un balita ko may tax pa din akong binabayaran e.
Lahat ng mga estudyante sa UP nagbabayad ng tax. Pamilya nila at mga magulang nila. Alam mo yung VAT? Meron kasi nun. Bawat binibili mo, meron nun. Tax tawag dun, okay? Kaya ang mga nag-aaral sa UP, nagcocontribute din sa tax. So wag naman i-imply na parang libreng nakakapag-aral ang mga UP students. Para kang nanunumbat e. Talagang sasabihan ka ng mga nag-cocomment dito na isasampal nila yung pera nila sa’yo.
And for your information, ang UP students ngayon, nagbabayad na as much as 20,000 pesos PER SEMESTER. Alam mo bang ganun din ang tuition sa mga hindi universities na hindi State U? Halos kapareho lang ng Adamson at UE. Private universities ang Adamson at UE. Hindi naman pangit ang unibersidad nila at ang paraan ng pagtuturo. Isa nga sila sa pinakamahuhusay dito sa Metro Manila. Pero bakit halos pareho lang ang tuition? State university ang UP diba? National university pa nga e. Subsidized by the government nga diba? Pero kasing mahal pa rin ng private universities.
Wag ka rin mag-generalize. Halatang wala kang alam e. Maraming students ang UP system. Iilan lang yang nakikita mo sa video. Mas maraming nagwawalang kibo na nga lang e. Hindi lahat ng UP students, mga activists. Hindi lahat ng activists, ay Marxists. Magkaiba yun, okay? Ang pinaglalaban at sinusubukang protektahan ng mga aktibistang yan sa video na hinuhusgahan mo ay ang pera mismo ng taong bayan. Hindi naman kasi lahat ng dapat napupunta sa unibersidad ay napupunta sa unibersidad. Gets mo ba? Kung nag-aaaral ka kasi sa UP, baka alam mo na halos hindi naman tumaas ang sweldo ng mga propesor kahit tumaas ang tuition ng 300%. Baka alam mo rin siguro na mas nauuna pa ang pagpapaganda sa mga park ng campus kaysa sa pagpapalit ng mga sirang upuan sa classrooms.
Wag mo kaming husgahan kasi wala kang alam. Feeling mo lang ang dami mong alam. At hindi mo rin kami malamang maiintindihan. Hindi kasi ikaw ang nakakaranas ng hirap. Hindi ikaw ang nakakatikim ng magulo at bulok na sistema. Obviously, hindi ka kasi UP student.
Ini-imply mo na makasarili kami? Pwedeng pakibasa muna yung sinulat mo ngayon? Kasi parang ang bottomline ng blog entry mo: “Kung wala ka talagang mahanap na pera, wala kang karapatan mag-aral. Malas mo.” Parang tinanggalan mo na rin ang mga mahihirap ng pangarap na tumulong na maiahon ang bansa natin. Sino ngayon sa atin ang selfish?
Nakakalungkot naman kung lahat ng mga Pilipino katulad mo mag-isip. 😦
Pero sino ang mostly na nag-sususbsidize sa inyo? The rich ones. The corporations. Mind you. Some UP students’ parents are minimum wage earners who are exempted from income tax. Isa pa, ang taxation ng Pinas is progressive. It means hindi flat ang rate. Pag mas mataas ang kinikita mo, mas mataas ang rate mo. It implies that the hardworkers are working for the the citizens who are less productive, with lesser earnings. Why don’t we make the income taxes flat rate? Say 15%. Corporate tax at 15%. Kung si Juan kumikita ng Php 120,000 taon-taon, Php 18,000 ang contribution nya. Kung si Pedro kumikita ng Php 500,000 taon-taon, magbabayad sya ng Php 75,000.
Ang laki na ng binabayaran ni Pedro para sa mga scholar sa UP, gusto pa ng mga scholar na to na dagdagan ang budget? Paano to? Babawasan ang nakalaang budget mula sa ibang departamento? Taasan ang buwis (oops! ayaw nga pala nila sa buwis (para sa mahihirap)), o taasan pa ang buwis ni Pedro, taasan ang corporate taxes, realty taxes, at mga taxes mula sa mga binibili ng mga Pedro ng Pilipinas.
Regarding naman sa sinasabi mong 20,000 per semester, wala lang yan sa sinusubsidize sa inyo ng mga Pedro. Kung walang subsidy, maaaring umabot na ng Php 100,000 per semester ang ginagastos nyo.
Eh bakit hindi na lang ang taxation ang i-abolish?
Oo, babawasan ang nakalaang budget para sa ibang departamento. Alokasyon ang tawag doon. Hindi naman hinihingi ng mga estudyanteng raliyista na ‘yan na taasan ang buwis.
tsk. . . tol magbasa ka. . . mas malalaki ang income ng pilipinas hindi dahil sa mga corporation. mas malalaki parin ang kita nila sa mga taumbayan. Ni halos hindi nga nagbabayad ng buwis ang mga yan eh.
Alam mo ba kung bakit? mas maraming leeway ang mga corporation para di magbayad. Marami silang tax exemptions at incentives para di sila mag bayad.
isa pa. . . ilan lang naman ang mga ganyang kalalaking corporasyon ah. . . hindi naman lahat ng business eh kasing luxurious ng sinasabe mo.
Eto pa ang malupet. marami nga sa mga magulang ng mga nagaaral sa UP eh eh di nagbabayad ng tax di ba? sinabe mo ding progressive ang system ng tax natin. malamang kaya sila na exempt eh dahil nadetermine ng gobyerno na wala talaga silang kakayahan mag bayad ng tax nila kasi ganon nalang kaliit ang sweldo nila. Nakita kasi nila na di sapat ang income nila kahit para sa sarili at pamilya nila.
dude. dude. dude. . . tsk tsk tsk. parang di mo iniintindi ung mga evidences naibinibigay mo ah
@ o_O:
Bago maging “rich ones”, nag-aral muna sa UP.
Aminin mo, 10 years ago, UP is part of the top 10 Universities. Lahat ng mga nasa itaas ngayon, dumaan ng UPCAT. But it’s sad ‘coz you would have never understood that, because you never passed the UPCAT 😦
“Alam mo ba kung bakit? mas maraming leeway ang mga corporation para di magbayad. Marami silang tax exemptions at incentives para di sila mag bayad.” – TAMA ITO. GALING NA AKO SA KORPORASYON, AT KAIBIGAN KO MISMO ANG NAKIKIPAG-USAP SA BIR PARA HINDI KAMI MAGBAYAD NG TAMANG BUWIS. KUNG INAAKALA MONG MASYADONG “NOBLE” ANG GAWAIN NG MGA KORPORASYONG NAGBABAWAS NG BUWIS, YOU HAVE YET TO KNOW THE “REAL WORLD” IKA NGA, ANG MUNDO NG PAGTA-TRABAHO SA KORPORASYON. ESTUDYANTE KA NO? ESTUDYANTENG NAGMAMAGALING? SANA HINDI MO KAININ MGA SALITA MO KAPAG NARANASAN MO NA ANG MAGTRABAHO SA KORPORASYON.
tama ka sa bagay na yan…
tayo nga mismo nagbabayad ng tax… lahat may tax…
ikaw naman na blogger nito, slave ka ng kakulangan mo sa kaalaman…
be free!
KNOW MORE!
Remember kids, every child has a right to be educated. It is also a privilege anyone can choose to exercise.
Where you study is out of the question. A silverspooned student who studies in UP is no different from a lower-middle class student who subsists on granted scholarship at a private university.
I am quite sick with these protests, I know that state scholars passed the rigorous state examinations, and have earned their right for high-standard education. But to challenge the hand that feeds you is of bad taste. Your right is fueled by money, deal with it. Stop being so self-righteous.
Education is a luxury, and people seem to forget how expensive it is. If you can’t keep up with an educational institution’s pace financially, make up for it with academics. Not with rallies that label hardworking people as lucky elitists who conspire to keep the circle to themselves. There are lots scholarship possibilities around, people are just lazy to seek them. I understand that not everyone has the potential to get achieve education, but the system has been tooled to cater those who can, those with the ability to do so. Money is out of the question if you have the ability, believe me, the government takes care of it’s scholars.
I am a genius so i have to be cared for? I am a genius so I have to be left to my work? But when the price rises up, i have the right to complain because you will squander my potential?
How selfish. Your messiah complex is far more disgusting than a 5 peso increase in per unit prices at a certain state university.
hayan!..kitang-kita kung ang epekto ng isang bulok na sistema ng edukasyon!..
ang edukasyon ay karapatan ng bawat mamamayan..ngunit sa ksalukuyang nagaganap, ito ay nagiging pribilehiyo na lmng para sa iilan na kayang magbayad ng mahal na matrikula at ibang mga bayarin..bakit nging ganito?..dahil patuloy na kino-kumersyalisa ang ating edukasyon..unti-unti ng binibitawan ng pamahalaan ang responsibilidad nito na bigyan ng malaking budget ang sektor ng edukasyon..at saan napupunta ang kalakhan ng pera ng bansa?..sa kalusugan?..sa social services?..HINDI!..dahil halos kalahati ng pera ntin ay napupunta sa pambayad utang!..at mas malaki pa ang inilalaan sa military spending kumpara sa edukasyon, kalusugan at iba png mga social services na dapat sana ay syang mas na inuuna..
dagdag din, ang puno’t dulo lang namn ng isyung ito ay ang lumalalang sistema ng edukasyon na hindi nagsisilbi sa kung ano ang tunay na interes at pangangailangan ng ating bansa..ang problema rito ay ang KOLONYAL, KOMERSYALISADO at REPRISIBO at PASISTANG edukasyon na mayroon tayo na dulot ng isang bulok na sistema ng ating bansa..aanhin mo ba ang talino mo kung magpapatuta at magpapaalipin ka lng din nmn sa mga imperyalistang bansa?..aanhin mo ang malalaking grado mo kung nanatili ka namang manhid sa hinaing ng iyong bayan..
at dahil nga sa lumalalang krisis n ngaganap ngayon sa ating bansa, bilang mga ISKOLAR ng BAYAN, may responsibilidad tayo na ibalik sa mamamayan ang dapat lamang na sa knila gawang sila ang nagpapaaral sa atin..at sa papaanong paraan?..iyon ay sa pagpapasiguro sa kanilang mga batayang karapatan at interes..
ang pag-rarally ay hindi isang simbolo ng arogansya o di kaya ay gulo..ito ay sumisimbolo sa demokrasya..nag-rarally ang mga aktibista dahil amy mali sa sistema..at hanggat hindi nawawasak ang sistemang ito, patuloy at patuloy ang pakikibaka nila..kahit tingnan mo sa kasaysayan ng pinas, ang ating mga karapatan ay hindi basta lang na ibinigay sa atin..ito ay ipinaglaban at pinagbuwisan ng marami..
sa tingin ko nga, kung may mga selfish mn dito, iyon iyong mga indibidwal na walang ibang ginawa kundi ang umupo lamng sa sulok at nagpapalamon sa bulok na sistema ng bansa..
“But to challenge the hand that feeds you is of bad taste.” Clearly, you have no idea. You are arguing just for the sake of it. Stay in school, study hard, serve the motherland! Lastly, never commit the same mistake of displaying ignorance over the Internet using baseless assumptions.
commend kita sa ingles mo tol. husay.
the motherland consists of various people that can be categorized into those who have and those who don’t. though i agree with you that education is also a privilege we can choose to enjoy. There are more people who do not choose to do so because they don’t have the means to.
UP and all other SUC’s is not really just a community of geniuses. It is a community of people who worked hard so that they could get their spots in the system since those in the private schools are limited. like you said, students in UP are the same as those who have scholarships in private institutions.
They demand higher state subsidy for education not only for themselves (UP) but also because they know that there are more people like them. People who want to choose to study but who can’t because of their situations.
They are not actually challenging the hand that feeds them. They only ask for what has been promised (under the constitution).
Tsk. hahahaha.
kaya ko din pala hahaha
Just to correct what Troll said, we, UP students, protest about this matter not because we think geniuses should be treated like national treasures, but because we are fighting for the real essence of being students of the NATIONAL STATE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES. And as a national state university, the University of the Philippines should be a premier in its own field: EDUCATION. However, with the current going of things, we are safe to say that that is not the case.
People come to UP for various reasons, but the most prevalent of them is that THEY WANT THE BEST EDUCATION AT THE LOWEST COST. People strive hard to pass the UPCAT because they are fueled by the GOVERNMENT’S PROMISE of quality education in spite of their financial shortcomings. And what is happening? It wasn’t even so long ago when UP tuition increased three-fold, and do we see the positive outcome of this phenomenon? We DON’T. Students who apply for STFAP (Socialized Tuition and Financial Assistance Program) will still have to undergo a ridiculously meticulous process before achieving even a Bracket C discount (even if a student’s family’s annual gross income is less than Php300,000, as long as the student carries a cellphone, possesses a TV, ref and a bed — regardless of condition — he can’t benefit from anything lower than a C — Php600/unit). UP instructors and professors are still not paid enough for their profession, for the rigorous training they have gone through just to be able to instruct in UP. Educational facilities are not well-maintained and have yet to be improved to be more conducive for learning. And most of all, we see with our very own eyes the government turning a BLIND EYE to these issues, putting personal gain first before actually doing their job.
When we protest in the streets, expressing these sentiments, we do not complain for naught; we voice out WHAT SHOULD BE REALLY HAPPENING, BUT IS NOT BECAUSE OF GLARING ADMINISTRATIVE INCOMPETENCE. We rally for the same reasons that farmers and laborers do: because we speak in behalf of everyone stricken by the plague that is poverty, when we know we could be alleviated from it if only the government is functioning the way it should. As what the others have stated above, the CONSTITUTION itself labels education as A RIGHT to every Filipino. And how do we, mere students, be able to make the authorities, in their own self-founded glory, listen to us, but to literally storm in and shout at their faces?
But of course you wouldn’t know that, author of this article, for with the way you speak, I can say that you don’t even belong/didn’t come from UP. You make me raise an eyebrow at your self-righteousness. You don’t even know ANYTHING. From the moment you expressed your personal, insignificant interpretation of the Oblation, you have failed to prove your credibility to me and the rest of the UP community.
Next time your ramble, please get your facts right.
Sa pagsulat ng entry na ito, dapat ay naghanda ka na sa mga taong mambabara sa’yo. Kabara bara naman kasi yung mga pinagsasasabi mo.
So magaling ka na niyan at sinasabi mo na ” education is NOT a right”? Kelan pa nangyari yun? Ee di kung nagbabasa ka lang sana ng Philippine Constitution e di sana nalalaman mo kung ano ba talaga yung mga mali sa sinasabi mo. Hindi yung kailangan pa ipoint out ng mga tao sa’yo. And tama yung mga nagcomment dito na mali naman talaga yung pagcompare ng luxuries na tulad ng pagtravel sa edukasyon. EDUCATION = LUXURY?! Yan yung dating nung sinasabi mo. Basahin pa lang, maling mali na po serr.
At si Oble? SELFISH HEROISM? WOAH. At kinakalaban mo na ngayon yung taong mismong gumawa. ANG GALING MO KUYA!
“With their so dangerous, so ignorant belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan.” — UP students aren’t asking the government to STEAL from Pedro. Saan ba naman kasi dapat mapunta ang taxes ng mamamayan kundi sa mamamayan din hindi ba? Ang sinasabi lang naman ng mga taga-UP ay sana itaas lang ang budget ng edukasyon. Hindi yung napupunta sa militar ang napakalaking porsiyento ng budget natin. Proper budget allocation, yun ang kailangan. Kasi kuya, ang edukasyon ay KARAPATAN ng mamamayan. Mahirap man o mayaman, bawat bata ay may karapatan mag-aral. Hindi naman OPTION lang ang pag-aaral. Hindi ito para lang sa mayayaman na kayang bayaran ang matrikula. Ignorant beliefs ba? Hindi ba ikaw yung ignorant? Kung tama naman kasi yung mga sinasabi mo dito, hindi na kailangan magcomment ng mga tao sa entry mo na ito.
Ang problema lang ay marami sa kabataang Pilipino ang hindi nakakapag-aral dahil sa kawalan ng pera. Ang UP kasi ay isang state university. Marami sa estudyante dito ay galing sa mahihirap na pamilya. Siyempre, aasa sila na maibibigay ng UP ang hinahanap nila na edukasyon. Yun nga lang, dahil sa taas ng tuition, marami rin yung pumapasa pero hindi tumutuloy. Sayang naman ang talento at potensyal ng mga taong ito kung hindi magagamit hindi ba? Kaya nga nananawagan ang iba’t ibang pamantasan na rin na hindi man posibleng maging libre ang ibigay na edukasyon, ay bawasan man lang ang babayaran ng bawat estudyanteng nagaaral dito.
Halata naman po na hindi ka tagaUP. WALA KANG ALAM sa pinagdadaanan ng kabataan sa Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Hindi lang naman puro sigaw na walang kwenta ang ginagawa ng mga estudyante sa rally. Ito ang mensahe na nais naming iparating sa gobyerno natin.
Nakakatawa lang na ganito ka mambara kasi fail talaga. Sa susunod, magresearch ka naman o kaya ay magtanong man lang. Para hindi ka naman nakakahiya. Itama mo na rin yung mga baluktot mong paniniwala. Pakinggan mo muna ang sarili mo. Ulit ulitin mo yung mga pinagsasasabi mo. Baka next time, mas may sense na yung ilalagay mo sa next blog mo.
ahmm… question lang. are they asking for FREE education? as i have read, they’re only asking for a HIGHER state subsidy.
“Money is out of the question if you have the ability, believe me, the government takes care of it’s scholars.”
-So the cut in the budget for state subsidy/education addresses this, right?
lastly, what does luxury mean? googling it, i came up with these.
“something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary” from http://www.merriam-webster.com
“an item that is desirable but not essential, and often expensive or hard to get” from http://encarta.msn.com
yeah, that’s right! education is non-essential isn’t it? is that why there are a lot of people out there on the streets making tambay? and yeah, if a guy’s poor he shouldn’t get education(or just get scholarship but hey! isn’t state subsidy a form of scholarship?). am i getting your point now?:)
The blog has just been updated to lecture all of you on the proper concept of rights. I don’t expect all your stupid liberal professors to teach you the proper concept of rights.
Based on what I read on the comment section, it seems that the leftist and liberal professors in the Philippines have far succeeded in indoctrinating the youth.
The term “Rights” is a moral political term, Right is defined as a definite course of behavior of Individuals in a society that is sanctioned, proper, allowed, a privilege to be respected by all others and if anybody violates any individual “Right”, he is wrong, immoral, unsanctioned, evil, a criminal.
Now, if education is a right, then anybody arguing that Education cannot be free, education cannot be a privilege, education cannot be a right is obviously a criminal, an evil-doer, and that creates a certain anomaly, a serious contradiction with the term Right. As per the viewpoint of Individual sovereignty and free citizenship in a society, our only rights are the rights to life, liberty, property and pursuit of happiness. That is, we are not born with a right to a trip to visit Taj Mahal, or a dinner at Hotel Taj or a cosmetic surgery or a degree in aeronautical engineering. Why cannot we have such rights? We cannot have such rights because the Individual Rights in a free society does not impose any obligation on other people except that of a negative obligation to leave the individual alone, to not to interfere with his life, to not to exploit his Rights. The Individual Rights guarantees you the freedom and chance to work and put efforts for what you want, rights are not to be given to you without any effort by somebody else. That is, you do not have a right to be fed, to be clothed, or to have a house, a car, an AC etc. Although, you have proper right to work and earn your living but you also have complete freedom to use your earning according to your wishes, you have a right to pursue your happiness. More clearly saying, one has the right to act and to keep the fruits of his actions, to produce and to keep his products or to trade them to others if he prefers. However, he has no right over the actions and products of others, except on the terms of which they voluntarily agree. That is, we all have a right to have a mutually beneficial deal voluntarily. Similarly, the right to the pursuit of happiness guarantees you the freedom and right to act to pursue your happiness and to be happy, to keep the results of your actions. It does not guarantee that other people will make you happy or will try to make you happy. If one’s desire for something imposes a duty on others to satisfy his desire, then the others have no choice in their life. They are merely slaves. One’s right to happiness at the expense of others means that the others become rightless slaves. Your right for anything at other’s expense means that the others become your rightless slaves.
@ In defense of Vincenton Post, oh bakit ka nasa Pilipinas? sabi mo “…he has no right over the actions and products of others, except on the terms of which they voluntarily agree. That is, we all have a right to have a mutually beneficial deal voluntarily.” sa constitution iyan (Education is a Right) db? HINDI LANG NAMAN SIGURO ISANG TAO ang GUMAWA NIYAN! Sa pamamagitan ng consensus iyan at “ideally” ginagawa para sa kapakanan ng lahat. And our constitution says na EDUCATION is a RIGHT! So, it should be a RIGHT! NGAYON, gumawa ka ng sarili mong konsepto ng KARAPATAN at gumawa ka na din ng sarili mong bansa na puro kagaya mo ang meron kung hindi mo matanggap na ito ang katotohanan! SELF-INTERESTED INDIVIDUAL!!!
wel wel, i got the point of the blog… but it is the interest of the state to protect and norture its assets.. and that includes human resources.. its just so happen that UPCAT is there to pick the best of at least those who took the exam and hopefully rich or poor the state must or should support it for its benefit. maybe its not that fair for those not so smart, but that is the way it is, like in europe the government is supporting those couples that will improve the demographic profile of its country.. in this case, andaming utak ipis sa pinas. and every country dont want to loose one brain just because he/she dont have the money to do so.
and it is also the same with government support to farmers or other crafts… that will benefit the state.. its not the personal thingy but it is for the republic..
LECTURE?
“to lecture all of you.”
WAHAHAH! OHAYLAVETTE!
Oh , Tatay Vincent, this just made my day.
Thanks for the laughs!
Wahahahaha! The best!
wahehhehe! *snorts like the uncultured non-UP person I am*
HI KUYA Froivinber!
Sana maging conscious po tayo sa words na ginagamit natin. it’s okay for you to clear things up, and try to inform everybody about what you know, pero please lang, walang judgments sana.
You may be highly intellectual, but you’re just as bad as the words na lumalabas sa bibig mo.
I like the way you think. I’m from UP, but I guess I get your point.Although, I’m not bending over to my side or to yours. Hahaha =)
@papa Ugers seryosong usapin to tol at ang pinaguusapan eh hindi ang estado ng mga tao kundi ang estado ng lipunan natin o ang bansa.
@papa froivinber
papa hwag mo ismolin ang mga professors ng UP at baka magulat ka na ang mga librong binabasa (mo kung nagbabasa ka at) ng mga teacher mo at itinuturo saung “tama” galing din sa kanila.
pls lang. professionals sila they teach the students the concepts and ideas but they rarely do impose them on us. they are different and some may be liberal but they teach their students the same (im assuming) way they teach you: Objective, Analytical, Critical, Progressive, NON-PERSONAL
They analyze and conclude based on facts tol. not based on their emotions.
kaya nga ganun nalang kataas ang tingin nga mga tao sa kanila eh, kasi me laman ung sinasabe nila at meron ding basehan.
Their concept of rights come from a deep understanding of the subject matter not only in their own fields but other fields as well. (ibig sabihin nito tol, di lang kulong sa law, philosophy, history, sociology and other branches of learning.)
-LEAVE THE COUNTRY AND DON’T EVER COME BACK if you do not agree with what our constitution (HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND) says
-you are a citizen of this country, the government by virtue of the constitution have the authority over it’s citizens. and for the government to effectively execute its duties and responsibilities it must have money, coming from it’s citizens in the form of tax. every person in this country pays tax. I hope you are aware of that.
-with that collected sum of money (tax), the government is responsible to allocate a certain budget to the services it provides it’s citizens.
-equal access to quality education; a requisite for a country to become like one of the developed countries
-if you do not recognized and realize the potential of your citizens and by taking away from them their right to “learn how to fish”… that will further create more problems for the country
-filing complaints to the specific departments of the government may not have been effective in answering their grievances that is why they are on the streets
-good luck
Taxpayer, I don’t think you’re a taxpayer. It seems that you don’t know what it means to pay high amount of income tax. Pay for your education. The government must PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!
karapatan ho kasi ng bawat tao makapagaral maski pa hindi ka pinoy kahit kano ka, hapon o taga-Jupiter, KARAPATAN ng bawat tao na matuto. magkaron ng kaalaman. hindi yun para sa mga may-kaya lang. hindi yun PRIBILEHIYO.
pag naghirap ka at nais mong matuto para magkaron ng sapat na kaalaman para magtrabaho at magkapera, makatulong sa bayan at may maipagmalaki sa susunod na henerasyon, PERO WALA KANG PERA PARA MAGARAL, san ka tatakbo?
ganto na lang..
taya ka sa lotto.
to real tax payer:
unang -una, si tax payer ay isang tunay na tax payer, dahil gumamit sya ng internet at kuryente sa pagpost ng kanyang komento. ang kuryente ay pinapatawan ng VAT na isang uri ng buwis.
sa tono ng pananalita mo, parang sinabi mo na rin na walang karapatang magsalita ang isang taong di nagbabayd ng buwis. check the constitution and you’ll find na bawat Filipino ay may karapatang i-express ang kanyang opinyon, regardless of his/her socio-economic status.
naisip mo na rin ba repercussions ng sinabi mo na “PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!”? naisip mo na lang ba kung gaano mas maghihirap ang bansa natin kung puro private school (na syempre di naman mag ooperate nang palugi) ang schools dito? it will only mean mas konti ang makakapasok sa kolehiyo dahil di makakayanan ng majority ng Pilipino tustusan ang tuition. at sa sistema ng buhay ngayon, kapag wala kang diploma, malabong magkaron ng trabaho. lalong dadami ang mahihirap nating kababayan at higit na magiging mahirap para sa kanila ang umahon sa kahirapan.
wag ka umasta na ikaw lang ang may karapatang magsalita at magreklamo dahil “high” ang binabayaran mong income tax. wag mo ring sisihin si tax payer at ang mga taong umaasa sa edukasyon sa state universities sa iyong tax burden. sisihin mo ang mga korap na opisyal ng gobyerno na lumulustay sa kaban ng bayan at gumagasta sa maling prayoridad.
grabe ouch naman sa magulang kong nagbabayad ng malaking income tax.. 😦 sana po hindi kayo naggegeneralize sa mga taga UP.
sa iba… di naman po lahat ng professor sa UP ay nagtuturo ng rally or whatsoever. mga estudyante lang talaga ang nakakaramdam sa realidad ng buhay sa UP…
mahirap magbayad ng 1.5k per unit.. lalo na kung alam mong mas mababa naman dapat ang binabayad mo dahil state university ang unibersidad…
try to enroll yourself in UP. Tapos saka mo sabihin na mali kami..
if the government would privitize UP and all other schools, then the education would NO LONGER be accessible… Is this a violation of the Art. 14, Sec. 1 of our Constitution? Yes? Yes!
Real taxpayer, alam mo ba ang pinagsasabi mo?!..mahiya ka sa sarili mo!..kung tax payer ka, dapat alam mo kung saan at kung bakit nagbabayad ka ng tax!..
sa pagsasabi mo na i-privatize ang UP at ang ibng mga State Universities ay para mo na ring sinabi na walang karapatan ang lahat ng mga tao na mabigyan ng isang dekalidad na edukasyon..at sino ngayon ang mkikinabang at matutuwa sa ideyang iyan?..mas lalo pa ngayong mahihirapan ang masang lubos ng pinagsasamantalahan!..
ano ba para sa iyo ang edukasyon?..ito ba ay luxury din?..
isa kang mangmang!
stupid ka bah???? privatize?????? kaya nga may free education for those na hindi kaya mag aral sa ibang schools eh tapos i privatize mo pa????? alam mo ba kng gaanu ka hirap ang dinadanas ng mga magulang namin para mapag aral kmi???? taz i privatize mo ung mga state U???? manhid ka…….ikaw kaya sa position ng mga magulang na wlang trabaho pero may utang ang anak…. panu mo mapapag-aral xa sa isang mabuting unibersidad…….????? ikaw nga????? kaya mo bah ang gngwang ibang magulang na may trabaho nmn ngunit kulang ang sweldo nila?????? pang kain nga lang sa pang-araw2x d mabigyan ng tamang budget…. para lng mapag-aral ang mga anak nila…..ganun na nga kahirap ang tao ngaun taz i privatize mo pa ang mga unibersidad????? taasan kaya nila ang tuition kng mag privatize…. alam mo bah un????
Stupid jerk! You got high income because you’re one of the few privileged! Try living with the marginalised poor. Ooops, of course you cannot afford to do that. You will not give up your scrumptious lifestyle, and continue sympathizing with these shallow-minded people… dahil hindi kayo ang MAS nahihirapan
I would like to correct some of the misconceptions that you have with regards to your blog post.
on your post, you wrote that ‘…with their so dangerous, so ignorant belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan.’ It is irresponsible, at the least, to conclude that for higher state subsidy to be given, the tax payer automatically carries the burden. The government need not steal from pedro if the government keeps its priorities in check. There seems to be an assumption that the government is doing one hell of a job in keeping the country afloat, and because of this, you fail in addressing the fact that government is in itself flawed. Members of government have stolen money from the national budget and there are a ton of over-priced but unfinished government projects. Pagcor has acted as a personal atm for a lot of politicians which has resulted to mass lay-offs of workers in the controversial corporation. Bottom line is, better planning in the allocation of budget, getting rid of politician who make it a habit of profiteering in public office, will nullify the need to increase taxes to satisfy the needs of the students of the country (as well as other sectors of society) as a whole.
You further state that ‘The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide for their educational needs. Their fight for higher state subsidy only means two things: First, they want to be the beneficiaries of “service, and Second, the productive members of our society must be condemned to serve the good of these social beneficiaries. Where do they think the government will get the money to serve their needs? The government has no magical power to turn a stone into gold, to turn a piece of wood into a loaf of bread. ‘ This is a hasty generalization. First of all, you must ask, when these students ask for higher state subsidy, do they ask for higher taxes to provide it? NO. It is true that government does not have the ‘magical power to turn stone into gold’, and it is a basic fact that our, and essentially all, resources are limited by nature; however, government has the capacity of controlling where the money goes. The 2010 national budget is P1.541 trillion. The 2010 national budget is eight percent (or P115 billion) higher than last year.But despite this increase, P2.1 Billion was subtracted from the budget allocation for SUCs or State Universities and Colleges, P1.3 B was subtracted from the University of the Philippines, whose expenses include 9 units in total (including extension programs in Pampanga, Palo, Layte, and Baler, Aurora, and the UP-PGH or Philippine General Hospital). That is inhumane due to the fact that the University is already in debt which lead to the infamous 300% tuition fee increase in 2006. Do we have the budget? Yes, but where does the money go? It goes to corrupt politicians who steal it, it goes to the military which ensure that these corrupt politicians stay in power, and it goes to relatives who make sure that power stays in the same circle of people. The fight for higher state subsidy is not between leftists and the rest of the Filipino people as you so crudely put it. It is between the Filipino people (those who are students, those who want to study, those who aren’t even born yet, and even those who are apathetic to the issue) and the members of government and society whose aim is to privatize and commercialize education (mind you, I wrote members of government, not government as a whole).
Next, I would like to go back to your argument:
we see liberals and leftist protesters asking for exclusive government protection, free or cheap medicines, free health care, free or subsidized food, free access to duality, and free “everything”.
This is a misguided argument. medicine/healthcare, education, food and housing are regarded as basic needs. To have then should not be a luxury. Now, asking for the government for access to your basic needs (food, medicine, healthcare, education, housing, etc.) is not the same thing as asking for a Marcedes Benz or a 700sqft house in Corinthian Hills. Now, is this such an unreasonable request? NO. In a lot of western capitalist countries (not only in socialist countries), basic social services is provided for all citizens. In Britain, ALL hospital services are free. In France, all levels of education is free. In Canada, respectable housing for the homeless is provided. It goes without saying that the same is true for some South American Countries such as Venezuela and Cuba among others. This only proves that it is not impossible for government to provide for its people. Its just that those in power are missing one large chunk in the puzzle to make this happen, and that is that we depend on tax too much. If the government spent more of the budget on improving the agriculture of the country and investing in local industries instead of spending it for their own benefit or for the benefit of their transnational masters, then we’ll be in better shape than we are now.
I’m sorry but I don’t see any misconception here. It’s either you don’t really understand the proper concept of right or you’re simply stupid.
You must understand that need is never a claim on slave labor. In a free society, no one must be sacrificed in the name common good or in the name of the good of a particular group or class of people. It is not the fault of the productive and successful people if there are members in our society who can’t afford to send their children to school.
Where will the government get the money if we all have the right to a free or subsidized education? The mentality of most UP students is simply against economic realities. It must fail and I’m glad that someone is speaking up against the collective idiocy of some of our “iskolar ng bayan” and their leftist cohorts.
kung hindi ka pamilyar sa salitang ito, maaring maintindihan kita: HUSTISYA at PAGKAKAPANTAY-PANTAY.
sabi mo, “where will the government get money, blabla..” alam mo ba na mayaman tayo? pero mahiwagang nawawala ang kaperahan ng sambayanan sa kamay ng gobyerno, at imbes na yun ang maging gamit para maging maunlad ang Pilipinas, ang nangyayari, nangungutang tuloy tayo sa ibang bansa. hence making us POOR.
mayaman lang ang mayaman dahil madami syang pera. ang yaman lang naming mga hindi nabiyayaan ay ang kaalaman na balang araw,makakapagtapos kami’t magsisilbi sa bayan na naghihirap at nangangailangan ng mga tagapag-silbi nya.
atsaka gusto ko lang malaman mo na hindi lahat ng UPian ay subjected to free educ. mga sobrang tatalino lang tlaga at deserving scholars ang napagkakalooban nito.
and i think, yung dinedepensahan mong nagsulat ng entry na to ay di makakkuha ng ganitong scholarship no matter what happen.
ay, di bale pala may pambayad naman sya eh.
That in itself is a misconception, in the words of robert dahl, man is essentially a social being even if he is not necessarily a political animal. What he means is that even if men like you exist who choose not to be part of the political system, you are inevitably a part of it. Therefore, you can’t separate the concept of self between one person and the rest of society because the concept of self and how it is shaped is largely based on the rest of society. As in your case, your cynicism and apparent lack of concern for other people other than yourself, your brash and irate conduct on how you reply to my comments, your innate stupidity in raising arguments is formed, affected and influenced by the rest of the people who interact with you on a daily basis. There are studies that show that if your home experiences aren’t healthy, there is a big chance that you will turnout to be mentally and emotionally disturbed. We understand that the same case may be with you, but despite the fact that you might be suffering from some form of mental or behavioral problems, it does not warrant for you to aggravate anyone else.
Your second misconception in your reply is that you’re stupid enough to recognize that you are a part of a society but you fail to recognize what being part of a society entails. You say you are against collectivism and yet you recognize a society of filipinos, just that some are more ‘capable’ than others. But that cannot be the case, man, being a social being, chooses to live with others of their kind. If these communities form a government, define a territory and establish a set of rules they abide by, then they create the state and they define their society. But to be part of this society, you have to be part with all aspects of society, it is not a matter of choice. A recognition of this society is an acceptance of the problems of this society. Yes, you can separate society based on class, on social stature, etc; but you cannot separate responsibility amongst them, all have equal responsibility, its just that some are more capable of accomplishing their responsibility. Further, you argue the case of the middle class, those who pay taxes dutifully, not necessarily because they are exemplary models of society, but because they don’t have the choice to do otherwise. If you are gonna criticize the students of SUC’s for allegedly wanting to ‘make tax payers slaves’, then why don’t you also criticize the large multinational companies, local companies and the elites who make tax evasion a sport? They themselves, to some extent, benefit from tax payers pesos, but they themselves don’t pay taxes (or pay a lot less that what they are supposed to).
I suggest you read more before you make such fallacious posts. Kulang ka pa sa aral, because your arguments, in my opinion, can be easily trumped by any second year polsci major. And my last word of advice is that if you are so hell bent on being an ‘individual’, not wanting to carry the burden of being part of a society, then by all means don’t be part of it.
Ayan, JRT. Sana kasi, binasa mo muna.
Mahirap kasi mag-argue kung hindi mo alam yung argument ng iba. Nagmukha ka tuloy tanga. Alang bearing kasi sinabi mo. At all! Kaka-argue lang na hindi nga dagdagdagan ang buwis, i-a-allocate lang ng tama.
wahahahaha!!!! look who’s talking!!!! hindi porket may na-cite kang author na foreigner at nag-english ka, matalino ka noh boy??? iba ang taong matalino sa taong hindi alam gamitin ang sariling katalinuhan! hahahahahaha
“Where will the government get the money if we all have the right to a free or subsidized education? The mentality of most UP students is simply against economic realities. It must fail and I’m glad that someone is speaking up against the collective idiocy of some of our “iskolar ng bayan” and their leftist cohorts.” – – JRT
To JRT,
Iba po ang exercising the right from the right itself. Pag sinabing ‘everyone has a right to free hospitalization’ hindi ibig sabihin nito na lahat magpapa-ospital ng libre lalo’t kung may alternatibo naman ang mga di ganoon ka-hirap na magpa-ospital ng mas mainam kahit may bayad.
Ang inihihingi lang po ng mga mahilig mag-rally (bagama’t pinagdududahan ko rin minsan kung mayroon itong naidudulot) ay mabigyan ng karapatan ang mga kapus-palad na mamamayan na mag-aral upang sila rin ay makatulong sa pagpapaunlad ng bayan at ng bawat mamamayan nito.
Ang pondo po ay makukuha sa mas organisadong at mas wais na paggamit ng pera ng bayan pati ang pagsupil sa kurapsyon na nagdudulot sa kasayangan ng mga buwis na ibinabayad ng karaniwang mamamayan.
I agree with Pepe Smith :))
npakababaw ng pagtingin mo sa kung ano ang ipinaglalaban ng mga estudyanteng ito. marahil di mo naranasan mamroblema kung makakapag aral ka pa. sa mga opinion mo pa lng,masasabi ko na na ndi ka bahagi ng populasyon ng napakaraming estudyante na hirap sa buhay. Ang pagiging ignorante mo sa pangit na realidad ng buhay ang pumipigil sayo pra makita ang tunay na esensya ng mga ipinaglalaban nila. kung maranasan mo lng maghirap sa buhay,maghirap para makamit lang ang edukasyon na inaasam mo,maghirap para matupad lang ang mga pangarap mo,tignan na lng natin kung masabi mo pa ang lahat ng yan. kung hindi man ngayon,pag nagkapamilya ka na at maranasan mo ang hirap na magpa aral ng anak na nararanasan ng mga magulang namin,kakainin mo lahat ng mga sinasabi mo. ang laban na ito ay di lamang para sa kasalukuyan,kundi pati sa kinabukasan.
hindi mo ba naisip kung anu na ang hinaharap na naghihintay sa bansa natin kung magtutuloy tuloy ang pagtaas ng tuition fee? mas lalong dadami ang ndi makakapag aral,mas dadami ang mahihirap. ang mga mahihirap,lalong maghihirap,dahil mayayaman na lng ang makakapag aral. un ba ang gusto mo?bansa na kung saan marami ang naghihirap at iilan lng ang maginhawa ang buhay?
EDUCATION IS A RIGHT!
hahahahaha!! nakakatawa. tga sang skul ka?? kawawa naman yung skul mo at meron silang napakatangang estudyante gaya mo.. andami mo na sanang alam.. kaya lang lahat ng iyon, patapon!!
“Taxpayer, I don’t think you’re a taxpayer. It seems that you don’t know what it means to pay high amount of income tax. Pay for your education. The government must PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!” -real taxpayer
gago???? anong tingin mo sa mga magulang namin para lang makapag aral kami, hindi ba sila taxpayers??????
alam mo, bago ka magsulat ng kung anu-ano, sana nag-aral ka muna.. o kahit pahapyaw man lang na background check.. nakaka-awa ka eh!
ps. mag ingat ka sa karma.. magdala ka ng mapa palagi ah.. iwasan mo mga teritoryo ng UP.. di ka namin sasantuhin!
sya nga pala, sa dami ng sumagot sa’yo at tinama lahat ng mali mong sinabi, di ka pa din ba na enlightened??.. tsaka try to go deeper pala at ‘wag kang one-sided.. i consider mo yung point of view ng ibang tao.. try to put yourself in our shoes.. tingnan ko lang kung di ka umiyak ng durian matapos mabasa blog mo..
bat may galit ka sa mga taga -UP? may ginawa kami sa iyo? ang ingay mo pare, siguro napaka ignorante mo.
Ah yes, Vincenton speaks. Though I agree that education is not a right however the wise and clever Randian Vince has stepped into the crapper (again) by not reading OUR constitution. He thinks he lives in the USA where he can argue his point. But my dear budding Randian nutjob, the Philippine constitution is different. Oh well, it was idiotically entertaining of you to rand like a Randian nut…as always.
Just because it’s a law doesn’t mean it’s good….
The only proper, legitimate purpose of the government is to protect Individual Rights(which is needed irregardless of the laws in your country you are in)
Our Individual Rights consists of our Right to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness( I type the word Pursuit in all caps lock to make a point)
And also as the blog said the Taxpayers are not your slave(irregardless of the corruption there is, indeed that corruption roots from A Government who do much more that
it’s proper role…, as a saying goes “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”)
yes, there is no argument there, tax payers are not our slaves, and we should be free to pursue happiness. But you have to qualify, do these students want to make tax payers their slaves? NO. They just want fair appropriation of the budget for education. Singapore gives 12% of their GDP to education, the philippines gives a less than 3%. The prescribed amount by the United Nations is 6%. The government can do this if they lessen funding for the military(as the money dones not trickle down to the common soldier, and is in fact, stolen by high rank officials) and lessen the funding for personal and positon funds. Second, we are definitely free to pursue happiness, however, we must also have a recognition of our social contract. we are citizens of the Philippines, therefore we are very much responsible for it and by some degree, the other citizens. Hindi naman hinihiling na ibigay mo buhay mo for the country, pero hindi rin naman tama na you give nothing to your country. We are not just individuals, we are individuals living with other individuals 😛
nasabi na halos lahat ng gusto kong ikomento sa blog entry na ito.. pero bilang pahuling salita, sana alamin mo muna ang tamang paggamit ng mga salitang Ingles, gaya ng “irregardless..”
marami kasi sa ‘ting mga “edukado” na todo-Ingles magsalita o magsulat pero mali-mali naman grammar.. fluency does not equate to being proficient in Emglish..
minsan mas magandang mag-Filipino ka na lang..
Irregardless [sic] of what you say, you’re unable to refute the thesis of the blogger.
tangina mo kang and kitid ng iyong perspektibo,
halatang isa kang elitista at walang alam sa pinagdadaanan ng masa,
kung magsusulat ka ng isang bagay tungkol samin, marapat lang na kilalanin mo kami nang hindi malimali ang iyong naiisip..
kung dumaan ka sa pagkamahirap, maiintindihan kung ano ang hustisya at kung anu ang karapatan
looks like somebody forgot to read their constitution!~~~~
bad bad boy. id like to see you try lecturing this crap before a big class full of UP students!
good luck with life son. hope it treats you well.
Here’s part of my commentary on the 1987 Philippine Constitution:
“Again, the “right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality. The framers of our Constitution dismissed the fact that the government is not supposed to be a “Robin Hood” agency, but an agency which has the sole duty to protect our individual rights and to safeguard this country against invasion or against internal threat. The framers of our Charter forgot the fact that before there can be something to “redistribute”, there has to be a definite source of wealth. They simply did not understand the relation between production and distribution. The constitutional right to”quality education at all levels” and “accessible education” is a puerile fantasy that is never grounded in reality. Such a right is an invalid concept and a floating abstraction.”
Read my previous commentaries on the Constitution:
The Moral Base of the Filipino Nation and Philippine’s Intellectual Bankruptcy
Pres. Aquino and His Society of Lemmings. In this blog I stated the following:
“Most of the provisions in Article XIV on education, science and technology, arts, culture and sports. Under Section 1, it is stated that “The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels, and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.” Section 2 of the same Article enumerates how the government shall achieve its “education for all” policy. This provision simply means redistribution of wealth and that it makes the state the sole provider of our educational needs. This is a breach of both metaphysical reality and economic reality in that it regards individuals as helpless human beings who must rely on the government for their basic needs. The solution to quality and better education is privatization of all educational centers and institutions. Privatization is the only key to better access to quality education. Under a free-market system, competition will force schools, colleges and universities to lower their tuition fees, hire competent teachers and professors, focus on research, improve their facilities, offer scholarship grants, etc.”
gago!!! alam mo ba talaga ang kahulugan ng isang “accessible education”????
puro ka theories!.. isapraktika mo kaya noh????
Who will guarantee “accessible education” and where will they get the money to make it possible? You don’t only demand “accessible education”, you also demand quality education, you parasites! There’s a price for everything. If you want quality education, you must be ready to pay for it. There can be no quality education without too much government spending. Pay for your education if you want it and don’t be crying ladies!
ulol!! baket?? mukha ba kaming natatakot sa mga profound words mo??
alam naman naming “test case” mo lang yan.. pero you shouldn’t have gone that far just to see the reaction of UP students.. ambobo kasi ng sinasabi mo eh..
ANLAKI KASI NG KOMUNIDAD NG KINALABAN MO!!
sabi ng friend ko:
“freshie pa lang ako may ganyan na
freshie pa si satur me ganyan na
at habang tumatagal pinapatunayan lang ng kasaysayan ang kamalian nyang sinasabi nya
nakakaawa sya promise”
eto isipin mo: kung may quality at accessible education sa paraan ng sinasabi mong “you must be ready to pay for it” shit mode mo…. BAKIT KAYA IPINAGLALABAN NAMIN ANG DAPAT? STATE U NGA MANONG EH! bobo po? paulit-ulit?
ang ibig mo bang sabihin eh ang mahihirap na GAYA KO eh walang karapatan para sa sarili mong lengwahe na “quality education”? ganun ba yun?
we are not the parasites, YOU SELFISH PARASITE!
crying ladies? yes, ang iniiyak ng mga puso namin eh para sa ipinaglalaban namin. BATTLE CRY dude!
ps.
‘wag mo nga kaming tawaging parasite! mas mukha kang parasite ulol! ampangit mo!! mas gwapo pa yung mga e. coli na pinag aaralan ko sa lab!
bagsak sa statcon
ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?
EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, Froi.
You can cite Rand, Kant and all the philosophers that you admire but the REALITY that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT will always trounce the PHILOSOPHY that it is not or should not be. It is enshrined in our Constitution. It is also expressly stipulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Article 26). I see that your syllogism is based merely on the realm of the “conceptual” and not on the “real” because the concept that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT became part of the Law of the Land – and therefore objective reality – when the people, through a referendum, approved the 1987 Constitution.
Were those people who overwhelmingly voted for the enactment of the Constitution the “idiots, dumb, ignoramuses, socialist parasites, threats to society” that you regard them to be? Were those who wrote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “misguided” in some way? I doubt so. The framers of these documents were not the “statists” that you deride or “socialists” that you condemn. Most are still alive and I see that they are – to use a favourite phrase – unabashed capitalists.
What they did recognize is that the “individual” is better served by the “collective” when the latter is LEARNED; that indeed, the RIGHT TO EDUCATION “is a condition of existence required by man’s nature for his PROPER survival.” (Capitalization, mine) Imagine a society where education is NOT a right, Froi. Imagine a society where the price of education will rely primarily on market forces or the law of supply and demand. Imagine taking away the government educational subsidy for the millions of pupils and students in the Philippines whose parents can barely FEED them. I know whereof I speak Froi, because I am a public school teacher’s son.
The consequence will be a nation of ignorant, uninformed, uncritical citizens, WHICH will ultimately be more burdensome for the “taxpayers” you don’t want to be “sacrificed.” In the end, we will be a country of an educated few, tending to an uneducated multitude. We are impoverished as a country not because of the Right to Education but in spite of it. The gargantuan public debt was incurred not because of the educational subsidy but because of the CORRUPTION in government, which would be lessened if the masses were better educated, more informed and critically vigilant.
By the way, the Jewish philosopher Ayn Rand was educated in Petrograd STATE University, a university in Russia that is arguably one of the best in the world. Her discourses about “individualism & objectivism” as against “collectivism” were a consequence of her utter despise for “Bolshevik Communism”. You must also cite the SITUATIONAL CONTEXT upon which Rand’s philosophy is based, to clarify everything.
You espouse the “abolition of the UP.” The UP will be here long after you turn to fertilizer but I do admire the way you were able to invite “reactions” to your (pretending-to-be-intellectual) treatise the way dung is able to attract flies. A social menace, that’s how you practically branded us UP students and alumni. Well, the UP, just like any other educational institution has produced heroes and heels, angels and scoundrels. Since you claimed that you “never intended” to become an Isko like us, let me say this, you missed a lot.
@froivinber:
What about the BRILLIANT people who cannot afford to go to school?
@froivinber:
kuya, may itsura ka sana kaso bobo ka.
bobo ka no? bobo.
magsama kayo ng sumulat ng blog na ito.
pointless ang makipag argue sayo dahil ignorante ka.
naghahanap ka lang ng away. bakit di ka na lang sa kanto humanap ng away?
di pa sasakit ulo mo sa kakaisip (kung sakaling may utak ka nga) at di ka pa maubusan ng dugo kakaenglish no?
I got the points from this blog and i have to admit that some of them do make sense. a friend even told me that some of your arguments are strong – although i think you lack in connecting the dots as you fave flawed ones as well – which i think why some people are mad about.
Getting all my facts straight for just a short time, i think i saw a point that – probably you have missed. Browsing through your facebook account which you have posted the link as well as reading a short discussion with one of your contacts, i quote,
” If there were deserving students to study at UP and other state universities, it would be those who are against state subsidies, socialism, and social immolation. Since education subsidies are now part of our system and since it would require a true moral revolution to change it, those who reject socialism and big government deserve to study in state universities. You deserve to be at UP.”
Yes, you do have a point – but it does not mean that i actually do support everything. However, you may seem to forget that we have a loop of arguments here.
And then we have the idea of the ‘poor.’ If the people that deserve to be in UP would actually reject even the idea of a state subsidy – because of a big government, the ‘poor’ would never go into the institution.
and what if – in mere theory – the ‘poor’ really deserves – and has the right – to be in UP? They would never get in – or if they do, they won’t stay for long – because they can’t pay the fees [to begin with].
i think it’s a loop of arguments. – or please prove me wrong.
warak ka baby boy!! punit!! tas-tas!! wak-wak!! basag!! oha!???
First, what is the proper concept of rights? I have sufficiently addressed this issue. The “right to education ” is a perversion of the proper concept of rights for it includes the right to demand something from an ever benevolent agency we call “government.” Rights are a condition to man’s existence. In order to live as a human being and to ensure our survival, we must have a rational understanding of what makes life on earth possible. As I stated above, “A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action—which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life.”
The Constitution actually demolishes the concept of rights by adding a lot of socialist provisions under Article 2 (General Principles and State Policies), which is a departure from the 1935 Constitution, which I consider the most faithful version to man’s rights and existence. The provision on the “right to accessible education” is actually a negation of rights. There are only four fundamental categories of rights:
1. The right to Life
2. The right to liberty
3. The right to property
4. The right of pursuit of happiness.
Observe that these rights do not include the right to “something” or the right of “public demand.” I find the vitriolic comments very disturbing and ignorant. If this is the kind of students we we graduate, then we’re doomed…
You said: “And then we have the idea of the ‘poor.’ If the people that deserve to be in UP would actually reject even the idea of a state subsidy – because of a big government, the ‘poor’ would never go into the institution.”
Poverty is not merely a creation of mere unluckiness or failure to survive. In most societies, poverty is the by-product of man’s failure to think. People in some slave pens are poor not merely because of corruption, but because of people’s ignorance and failure to discover the proper morality and the proper social system for man. Our huge amount of debt is not merely a product of government’s mismanagement and corruption, but most especially of the dominant mentality of our people, which consists of their belief that the government must embark on excessive government spending to provide for their needs. There are certainly some poor people who deserve their fate because of their failure to think and credulity.
In short, there are more poor people in this country because of their rejection of the right and most moral social system on earth, which is free-market capitalism. What do you think is happening now in Venezuela? A lot of professionals- those who are still willing to think- would like to leave their country because of the self-immolating and self-sacrificing policies of Hugo Chavez. Even some union leaders believe that the socialist policies of their government have been causing poverty and great social misery. Venezuela is the result of a society of people with more public demands and who ask too much from their government. The Venezuelans put Chavez to power in the hope that he would provide their education, health care, and all basic needs. Look at the result of their COLLECTIVE STUPIDITY.
What will happen to poor people in a truly free society (but we’re not yet a free society as we continue to move towards socialism)? The only way to help them is through private charity. There are a lot of scholarship programs being offered by private universities and private institutions. I, for one, was a university scholar in college for being the editor in chief of our campus organ even though my family could afford to pay for my education. I was also a scholar in law school for two years. This means that if we want to obtain education, we must work for it. We should earn it!
First. I did not comment here to argue. I just found this blog different. here’s what i have to say – again.
Yes, i do get your points. and i think you have to agree with me that somehow, the law will never be practicing any kind of equality nor equity in this setup.
I see this in a different way though. Somehow, the government should help its citizens with their education but it does not equate to the idea that it should be giving them free ones. [Not being fully involved in similar demonstrations,] I say that probably, some students – NOT exactly pertaining to UP students – ask for subsidies because they do realize that the government has done less for education – not exactly in the college level.
As in UP’s case, the tuition fee has increased and has plans to increase yet again – even though the students haven’t seen much improvement – even in facilities – from the previous increase. I think you know this, right? By such, you would inevitably ask why the hell would the students [or their families] would [find a way] pay for their schooling if they can’t even see the improvement?
Or maybe you do have a point – well actually you do, although i do not agree on all of them. But being smart is not enough, dude. you should also understand that subjectivity cannot be fully separated on the idea of being objective [hence the rants in other comments here].
You could have put this – and explained – everything in a better way.
Back it up with facts. Your crude theoretical representation of the Philippine society as a whole shows how much you don’t know society.
Para na ring sinabi mong pag naabutan kitang nakatalikod, pag hinataw kita ng baseball bat sa ulo, hinimatay ka because of your failure to think! Kita mo ang butas ng logic?
Ganito kasi..
Nagka-social contract. (Sorry ha, ini-imply mo kasing dapat magpatayan tayo, matira ang matibay. Sa totoo lang, ‘di ka tatagal ng trenta segundos sa dami ng kinalaban mo).
Anyway, social contract. Part ng contract na para ma-improve ang solidarity ng contract (society), kailangan well-trained ang susunod na generations. Para walang bobong taong bigla na lang mag-iincite ng patayan.
May representations (gov) para i-ensure ang implementation ng kontrata. Yung “representatives” kinuha yung pera for implementation para bumili ng kotse, mag-arkila ng armadong tao para patayin ang magreklamo.
“Failure to think ba ‘yun ng society?” Hindi, pandaraya ‘yun. Kaya sinisingil (legally). Hindi rin naman kasi pwedeng basta patayin lang ‘yung nandaya. Defending the contract by means against it is futile (not to mention stupid at paikot-ikot gaya ng impractical “defense” mo).
p.s. covered na actually ni pepe smith ang lahat ng basis. Hindi mo lang siguro binabasa.
*bases
Who is to say what is the “proper concept of ‘rights'”? You? Or the writer of this other blog who seems to have written exactly as you did?
http://www.reasonforliberty.com/anarcho-capitalism/education-is-not-a-right.html
You said
“ang ibig mo bang sabihin eh ang mahihirap na GAYA KO eh walang karapatan para sa sarili mong lengwahe na “quality education”? ganun ba yun? ”
ano ring ibig mong sabihing manggagamit ka ng pera ng iba para sa pagpapaaral mo
Ang mga produktibong tao ay di mo mga alila para sa pagpapaaral mo….
omayghad mr froilan…
we are not enslaving taxpayer’s.
do we have to repeat it to you, over and over and over again??sucks you know..thinking that people like you actually exist..
i repeat, the government doesn’t need to add new taxes, just proper budget allocation.
oh and btw, we are also fighting for the scrapping of nonsense taxes such as EVAT and RVAT.
we’re not like you. we’re not selfish bastards.
we always think of others, especially the masses in our every struggle.
if you still insist that education is a privilege, please by all means, visit slum areas, visit rural areas, hear their stories, hear OUR stories.
anlabo mo men eh..
andami mong pedeng gamiting philosopher si ayn rind pa..kagago..
utak pede??libre pa-install, pentium poor pa ata gamit mo eh..
mr. froilan vincent bersamina.. ako ay matutulog na..
bukas ko nalang babasahin comments mo, okay?
nytie!
ps. for sure marami pang magccomment sa blog mo. tyak nyan, para ka na namang sirang plakang paulit-ulit ang mga sinasabi.. kung ang pagmamahal ay may one-sided love, hindi pwede yun sa ganitong usapan. hindi lang dapat one-sided ang ideas ng isang “writer”. ok?
anyway, goodnyt!
naniniwala po akong nahihibang ka na at nais mong kuyugin ka ng isanlibo’t limang raan mahigit na estudyante ng UPB. at ang lakas ng loob mong magdefine ng terms na parang wala ka naman talagang ideya kung anong ibig sabihin talaga. hindi ako kasing henyo ng mga kapwa ko UPian, pero kayang kaya kong ilektyur sayo ang TAMA sa lahat ng maling sinabi mo. i mean, your whole blog entry.
kung tlagang gusto mong maliwanagan ang buong UP sa mga pinagsasabi mo ipaliwanag mo muna kung bakit may mga mangmang na katulad mo..
karapatan mo ang edukasyon,dapat magaral ka ulit kuya para hindi ka nakukuyog ng ganito. kung tlagang nagaral ka at naafford mong mag-aral bakit puro katangahan yang mga pinagdadada mo?
swerte mo nga’t nakapagbayad ka ng tuition para makapagaral, eh ano naman inaral mo?
parang wala yata ehh o baka BS P.E ka?
sorry kung naiinsulto kita, pero para sayo rin yan.. aral ka ulit baka sakaling maintindihan mo yang mga sinabi mong hindi namin maarok arok kung sang lupalop ng kokote mo hinugot.
EXCUSE ME, but exactly where did you read or hear that UPians are asking for FREE education? and even if this isn’t what we’re fighting for, has it not crossed your mind that there are brilliant minds out there who CAN’T AFFORD to pay for four years of college? the entire purpose of a state university is to send those struggling financially to school for a price within their reach, in order for them to enhance and develop their skills, so that they can graduate, get a good job and serve their people and country. it is not their fault that they weren’t born into well-off families. there was nothing they did wrong that brought such a lifestyle upon them. I say shame on you if you support the belief that the only people who deserve a formal education are those who have money in the bank to pay for it! EDUCATION IS A RIGHT. we are not asking for some ludicrous, extravagant thing of luxury like spoiled brats who whine until they get what they want! we are demanding what is supposed to be given to us from the very people who put it on paper that it is a basic necessity of life! does that make us thieves? does that make us criminals? if so, then how much more grave of a crime would it be to take it away from us by putting it within reach of only those who are swimming in money?
PLEASE, enlighten me.
You said:
“I say shame on you if you support the belief that the only people who deserve a formal education are those who have money in the bank to pay for it! ”
I say shame on you for making productive people pay for that…..It is slavery….
so your definition of ‘productive people’ is those who could already afford to pay tuition and were fortunate enough to be employed by a company that offers a high enough wage for them to do so? so the productive are basically the ones who started life comfortably and therefore did not struggle as much as some do to acquire an education that offered them better opportunities in the job market?
People who earned money and VOLUNTARY CHOSE to let their sons and daughters be educated is acceptable, in a Free Society….
It basically their right to LIBERTY, the right to make decisions based on their own rational judgment……
And it’s up to those sons and daughters to work hard to maintain their inherited wealth…..Maintaining your inherited wealth requires productiveness on their part……
and also Productive people are those men who chose to live without enslaving others….who chose to choose their careers based on the purposeful use of one’s mind
@To Kyo: Try mo kaya i-trace kung sino gumawa ng yaman mo. Ang kitid kasi ng pananaw mo. Hindi mo makita more than 2 paces ahead of you. Collectively, mas malaki ang binabayad ng lahat ng mahirap kesa sa lahat ng mayaman. Pinapatong n’yo kasi sa amin lahat ng buwis ng negosyo niyo. Tinitipid at inaabuso ang poor, overflowing, jobless but able labor force. Bago mo iladlad ang yaman mo, isipin mo sa’n muna nanggaling lahat ng ‘yan. Walang perang lumalabas ng bigla na lang sa desk. Pinagpapawisan ‘yun kung di mo, eh, nang iba.
You are enslaving others.
Nagbabayad ka ba ng buwis? OK lang ba sa’yo na malaking parte nu’n, pumupunta sa bulsa ng nasa kapangyarihan? Significantly malaking parte din nun pumupunta sa goons nila? Kinakaltasan every year ang edukasyon ng ibang more productive, more able, more deserving poor?
You have the right to choose your children’s school. But that has nothing to do with keeping others from their school.
Try researching and computing all the taxes that is being paid by rich people….
Compare it with poor people…..
yes, pag na-compute po, malaki nga naman talaga. pero binabayaran po ba nang tama?
=)
ang bobo mo kyo… hahahahahahaha!
BS P.E? hahaha. clap.clap. to that. three snaps for you memew!
since pagod na kaming paliwanagan ka at wala naman kaming mahihita sa’yo (kabanas ung itsura mo eh)… eto na lang.
sabi ng isa ko pang friend na taga UP MANILA:
“Apparently this guy failed to distinguish “right” from “luxury”. lol yes the way he writes makes him appear knowledgeable, but the way he reacts to such things make him more of a douche and devotee of ignorance. Is critical thinking expensive nowadays? O_O”
sagot namin:
mahal na nga cguro ang magisip ng TAMA. eh kasi swerte siya kasi nabayaran ng MAGULANG niya (na tax payers din tulad ng mga magulang namin) ang pinagaral niya.
*hikab* antok na kami eh. basta, piece of advice… never again write something like this kung wala kang sapat na kaalaman sa mga pinagsasabi mo.
ay apo! ukinana marie! hahaha 😀
sana patulugin ka ng mahimbing ng kagimbal-gimbal mong paghamon sa mga estudyante ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas.
“mahal na nga cguro ang magisip ng TAMA. eh kasi swerte siya kasi nabayaran ng MAGULANG niya (na tax payers din tulad ng mga magulang namin) ang pinagaral niya.”
Ang mga magulang ay naghihirap hindi para sa ibang tao lang kunid sa anak nila….
Pag nabawasan na ang kanilang bayarin(mga tax na pinagpapaaral sa ibang tao) eh mas matutuunan nila ng pansin ang kanilang pinakamamahal nilang mga anak….Ito’y kasi sarili rin nilang kasiyahan ang mapagaral ang kanilang anak……(i.e Pursuit of Happiness which is entirely selfish)
friend number 1
” isipin mo nalang, PANGIT siya. hahahahaha :))))))) halata naman na tax payer siya. maybe that’s why he’s ranting so much? hahahaha :)) i didn’t really read his post. its like, HE USES BIG WORDS TO MASK HIS APPARENT STUPIDITY AND PREJUDICE ABOUT THE MATTER. :))) )))”
friend number 2
“Aba, critical thinking is a right! Unwritten right, though, as this does not appear in the Constitution. hahahaha This guy needs it so bad to construct more valid arguments and reasonable claims, especially about matters he has little/narrow knowledge of.”
cabhill family:
tulog na tayo, feeling ko di rin nya maiintindihan ang mga punto de bista nating mga hindi nya katulad.
at para sayo ginoong may sapi:
balik ka ng high school. tapos try mo mag-UPCAT
pag pumasa ka beri good.
pag hindi ka pumasa, wag ka na magtaka.
bili ka rin ng Maikling Kurso sa Lipunan at Rebolusyong Pilipino , tutal mukang madami kang pambili bilhan mo na din ang bunch of elite and very theoretical friends mo. pag wala ka pa ring naintindihan, iniimbitahan kita sa UPB, ako mismo magtuturo sayo for FREE. you know why?
because its your right to be educated. 🙂
isama moko! for free ah.. like, i’ll give him all my time. :)) makatulog na nga!
Too much trash-talking of some people here proves that these UP idiots has nothing to say about the issue. They merely wanted to attack the author and not the idea presented. It means they are nothing but BOBO iskolar ng bayan. Get real! Attack the arguments… Do not embark on ad hominem attack because it only shows your collective idiocy! PEACE!
Isa ka pang walang kwenta ka….Pinagmamalaki pa na taga UP Baguio siya!! Hoy wag kang mayabang kasi UP Baguio ka lang! Dalawa lang school sa pilipinas..UP DILIMAN and the others…kung di ka UP Diliman..edi others ka..yabang lang!!
@UP Idiots on the rise!
— if you read ANYTHING in ANY of our comments you’d see that we have quite a lot to say in our own defense. furthermore, we’d have no reason to attack the author if he weren’t proposing something so insulting and downright stupid. of course we’d take it just a little personally if these are ideas coming from him (the author)! ideas do not bring themselves to life and jump into people’s mouths – or in this case, onto their keyboards.
YOU haven’t even mastered subject-verb agreement. I’m sorry, who’s the idiot?
“PEACE!”
mali-mali grammar mo… kawawa ka naman…
maslalo naman yung sayo noh
alam mo, parang frustrated ka lang or rather insecure kasi hindi ka taga-UP eh. or maybe masyadong kulang ka lang sa pansin! do you even know what you are talking about? do you even understand what we’ve been through?! alam mo ba kung paano maging isang Iskolar ng Bayan?
sabihin mo na kasi na jealous ka lang sa’min. mag-aral ka kaya sa UP. try mo dito sa UPV!
kung hindi mo pa nage-gets ‘ung mga explanations sa previous comments, nagpapatunay lang yan kung gaano ka ka-bobo.
wala namang sense ung nira-rant mo eh. at syanga pala, check mo ung grammar mo, nakakahiya eh.
ay oh? ang galing galing mo naman!
and how would you write that paragraph with your perfect grammar? English is my first language and I see nothing wrong grammatically with what I wrote.
Hey @proud to be UP…kawawa ka naman UPV ka lang? Tapos pinagmamalaki mo pa yan? Matalino ka na nyan? Kung sa Diliman ka sana maniniwala pa ako sayo…idiot! di ka lang nakapasa sa UP Diliman kaya sa UP Kangkungan este Visayas ka lang napadpad!!
@UP idiots on the rise
– i’ll go attack you on ad hominem too. 🙂 since im a peaceful person.
wala na kaming magagawa sa naisulat na, tapos na yun eh, nailathala, naisambulat na sa mundo. ang maari naming gawin ay kumbinsihin ang sumulat na may iba pang perspektibo maliban sa pinaniniwalaan nya, at dahil sarado ang utak nya nilelektyuran namin sya na wag maging tanga gaya mo. at hindi yan basta basta lang. kung naiinsulto ka rin sa mga pinagsasabi namin sa sumulat, pasensya, ang insulto ay karapat-dapt lamang na suklian ng insulto. 🙂
sama ka na rin sa kanya sa pagpuntang UPB at paglelecture ko ng free. 🙂 its your right anyway.
P E A C E
Sayang lang every centavo na ginagastos para sa mga taga-UP na tibak at liberal na bobo. Leftist students don’t have any right to study at UP or any state-funded university. Sila ang magpapabagsak at magiging cause ng mas matinding kahirapan sa pinas once they graduate. Taxpayers should not support their own killers or destroyers.
Bobo…so bobo na pala yung marunong magisip para sa sarili. Bobo na pala yung naghahanap ng paraan para marinig ng iba ang nais ipahiwatig…ayos
So sa lagay mong yan matalino ka na? Isang sabi lang ng author ng artikulong ito e oo ka kaagad. ayos. Matalino ka nga. Palakpakan
well what do you know,
sisikat ka na.
ipopost ka na sa lahat ng freedom wall ng UP systems.
at itong blog mo.
they’ll make copies of your blog dickhead.
and soon everyone will know how narrow-headed your ideas are.
dumb ass,
you never really experienced the struggles of the masses did you?
slavery of the taxpayers???
do you know what slavery is?
Oppression of the students, that’s what it is.
mangilanngilan beses na ring itinaas ang tax ng mga bayarin sa Pilipinas. kung sinasabi mong natatake advantage sa taxpayers ang pagbigay ng mas malaking subsidy sa edukasyon e bakit ang military sobra2 kung ikukumpara. every citizen pay taxes for different needs,taas ng taas,.pero kailan naramdaman ng lahat ng sektor hindi lang mga estudyante ang mga binayad nila?kelan?sabihin mo sa akin,
6% ang alloted budget for education(which is supposed to be a priority.).ngaun sa taas ng tuition fee namin, pangloloko ang pagsabi na naiibibigay ang porsiyentong ito.
don’t make excuses that does not even appear to exist.
are we some idiots for you to think that we do not experiences these finances being compelled for us to pay?
You sir, are a perfect definition and personification of selfishness.
I will take the liberty to reply in this one
as I said earlier…in the comments
“The only proper, legitimate purpose of the government is to protect Individual Rights(which is needed irregardless of the laws in your country you are in)
Our Individual Rights consists of our Right to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness( I type the word Pursuit in all caps lock to make a point)
And also as the blog said the Taxpayers are not your slave(irregardless of the corruption there is, indeed that corruption roots from A Government who do much more that
it’s proper role…, as a saying goes “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”)”
The military is for the protection of our right to live….(and let’s not forget the fact that our military is outdated because of as Pres. Aquino says “lack of funds”)
It is a legitimate role for the Government…..
See, what you said is also my concern…
“every citizen pay taxes for different needs,taas ng taas,.pero kailan naramdaman ng lahat ng sektor hindi lang mga estudyante ang mga binayad nila?kelan?sabihin mo sa akin,
6% ang alloted budget for education(which is supposed to be a priority.).ngaun sa taas ng tuition fee namin, pangloloko ang pagsabi na naiibibigay ang porsiyentong ito.”
I’m for the abolition of income taxes ….Dito kasi doble doble ang taxation…..
which eventually lead to funding the only legitimate role of a Government….(like I said above)
If we just privatize schooling and let the market work without intervention….we would eventually lead to a quality education and also low prices because of competition…Economics 101
As Adam Smith(The Father of Modern Economics once said
“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”
–Adam SMith
See this is called Free Trade….
Every individual has the right to keep the product of his labor…
and also Selfishness….is best represented by this quote
“I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”–Ayn Rand
bobo ka po? anung silbi ng hapines ng isang tao kung pangsariling interes mo lang ang iintindihin.. sige. magpakasaya ka magisa.
haba ng sinabi, wala namang laman. tae
di na nagsawa magcopy paste ng kung anu anung definition. o ayan. definition. hanap ka din ng definition nyan
buti na lang kamo may wikipedia.. hahaha..aliw
WIN
“Poverty is not merely a creation of mere unluckiness or failure to survive. In most societies, poverty is the by-product of man’s failure to think” , “people’s ignorance and failure to discover the proper morality and the proper social system for man”…
–> how will an individual acquire such knowledge if in the first place he doesn’t have the economic capacity to do so. Your theory is not even applicable in the context of the Philippine situation. You stereotype UP students as these kinds of people, but maybe it would be really acceptable if you get into UP first. I respect and commend how you have presented your arguments but you better get your facts straight.
–> nice blog, i see it as a reverse psych. actually you made me feel that I want to fight for my right to education, more than ever. 🙂
–> too bad that you wouldn’t want to use or try on different lenses of perspectives, sige ka mauumay ka niyan. 🙂
I’d just like to say that the critics here prove the rank ignorance of the Filipino youth and the success of the leftist establishment in taking over the universities and indoctrinating students.
With that said, the Philippine government has in a span of five years spent 80 billion pesos on public education yet NOTHING has changed. To all you leftist college students, I just want to ask you. HOW MUCH POWER DOES YOUR SYSTEM NEED FOR IT TO FINALLY WORK?!?
Your largely individaulist perspective is in itself is a misconception, in the words of robert dahl, man is essentially a social being even if he is not necessarily a political animal. What he means is that even if men like you exist who choose not to be part of the political system, you are inevitably a part of it. Therefore, you can’t separate the concept of self between one person and the rest of society because the concept of self and how it is shaped is largely based on the rest of society. As in your case, your cynicism and apparent lack of concern for other people other than yourself, your brash and irate conduct on how you reply to my comments, your innate stupidity in raising arguments is formed, affected and influenced by the rest of the people who interact with you on a daily basis. There are studies that show that if your home experiences aren’t healthy, there is a big chance that you will turnout to be mentally and emotionally disturbed. We understand that the same case may be with you, but despite the fact that you might be suffering from some form of mental or behavioral problems, it does not warrant for you to aggravate anyone else.
Your second misconception in your reply is that you’re stupid enough to recognize that you are a part of a society but you fail to recognize what being part of a society entails. You say you are against collectivism and yet you recognize a society of filipinos, just that some are more ‘capable’ than others. But that cannot be the case, man, being a social being, chooses to live with others of their kind. If these communities form a government, define a territory and establish a set of rules they abide by, then they create the state and they define their society. But to be part of this society, you have to be part with all aspects of society, it is not a matter of choice. A recognition of this society is an acceptance of the problems of this society. Yes, you can separate society based on class, on social stature, etc; but you cannot separate responsibility amongst them, all have equal responsibility, its just that some are more capable of accomplishing their responsibility. Further, you argue the case of the middle class, those who pay taxes dutifully, not necessarily because they are exemplary models of society, but because they don’t have the choice to do otherwise. If you are gonna criticize the students of SUC’s for allegedly wanting to ‘make tax payers slaves’, then why don’t you also criticize the large multinational companies, local companies and the elites who make tax evasion a sport? They themselves, to some extent, benefit from tax payers pesos, but they themselves don’t pay taxes (or pay a lot less that what they are supposed to).
I suggest you read more before you make such fallacious posts. Kulang ka pa sa aral, because your arguments, in my opinion, can be easily trumped by any second year polsci major. And my last word of advice is that if you are so hell bent on being an ‘individual’, not wanting to carry the burden of being part of a society, then by all means don’t be part of it.
To all the leftists here, do you ever ask yourselves maybe your beliefs are wrong? That expanding government bureaucracy just MAY BE THE PROBLEM instead of the solution to social problems? Students of UP don’t realize it because they get quality education, but that quality comes DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF UP education being government-run. If you look at the other 90% of public schools they are all a mess! There must be a reason why government run systems are so wasteful and corrupt. And the reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.
And may I remind you that governments have killed 200 million people in the 20th century alone, the century of DEMOCRATIC government. I also would like to remind you that those 200 million were killed at the ALTAR OF THE COMMON GOOD. There is something called the TYRANNY OF GOOD INTENTIONS, read up on it!
http://mises.org/daily/2739
To answer your question, yes we do, we accept contradiction rather than do away with it. It is through contradiction that we are able to define our set of beliefs rather than to just accept the shit that those powerful in society shoves down our throats. You’re talking about expanding bureaucracy in the Philippines? Since when? For the past few decades, there have been expansive moves towards privatization. Most previously owned government companies which were used to regulate prices in oil, water, electricity, etc were sold off which now explains the uncontrollable price fluctuations in most basic services. It is true that we receive better education as compared to other public schools (even better than private schools), but that in itself is the case. It is true that 90% of public schools they are all a mess, that is why we are asking for higher state subsidy, for accessible education for ALL. It is this very truth, that we have horrible public education, that we ask for fair funding from our government.
You state that:
‘The reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.’
This is the problem itself, the government is profit oriented, not for the country but for themselves, they benefit from public office. Government is the largest spender in any economy, and politicians protect their businesses and the businesses of their cohorts and masters through the positions they hold. Otherwise, they would not bother running for office. Further, these are not arbitrary whims, these are structured manipulations of a stagnant economy to benefit the powerful minority.
And lastly, you have to qualify what you mean by the common good? The whole bit is stupid to say the least because it has nothing to do with the issue, It is exactly my point that the government is corrupt, to point it out only supports my argument more. Government acts to serve the powerful minority and to satisfy their needs, they do this under the guise of the common good, this is a basic tactical move for any political elite. Further, assuming that your argument is valid, how does providing food for everyone, or providing fair access to medicine and education lead to the death of multitudes of people? Do people have to die for everyone to be able to have a good quality of life?
The credibility of this blog is out of this world.
Never read from the works of this author again.
Great job, Vincent. Congratulations!
In a socialist and welfarist society: Education is a right. Health is a right. Housing ia a right. Peace and order is a right. Agricultural credit is a right. Pension is a right. Good-paying job is a right. Unemployment benefit is a right.
Everything is a right, from the state. Personal and parental responsibility has no role. Everything is government responsibility.
Friedrich Hayek said: “People who are afraid of responsibility are afraid of freedom itself.”
Thanks for such a wonderful comment, Sir.
Tange para namang makaka-exist ang government kung walang people. Pinasa lang yung care. It’s the people responsibility to sustain the government that does them service. Eh di, ultimately, responsibility din ng pipol ‘yun. Nilagyan lang ng system para mas madali.
Hindi naman syempre lahat, government ang humahawak. Depende ‘yun. Mas efficient lang talaga na may injection from the government sa sitwasyin ng isang developing country.
Isa pa, ang pinagsisigawan ng mga isko ay ibalik ang nararapat.
@gov: We paid for it. We agreed that you’ll take care of it for us but you didn’t keep your side of the bargain. Nilansi mo lahat. Now everybody’s reprimanding you to do what’s right and proper.
Ganun kasimple ‘yun. Where the hell did you get the idea na dadagdagan ang buwis? Tanga ka ba o tanga ka lang talaga?
UPians are not telling that they want a FREE education. THEY wanted to JUNK TOFI.
What premier STATE university just gives a 300% increase in tuition(from 3-4k to 12-13k)? Is that what you call a public and subsidized university?? UP is not a private school. But the fact is, UP even has higher per unit tuition than the other university in Baguio, ex. SLU. Also. Why would UP have to give students PE fee, & VARSITY FEE? when in fact not all are varsity players. AND LAB FEE of 500 pesos??? They are even planning to give Lab fee to the FA (Fine Arts) students when they don’t even use any lab material.
PLEASE: do not compare education with wants. Education is not a ‘LUHO’.
clarification lng..JUNKING ToFI is one of our calls..pero ung main talag natin ay FIGHT FOR GREATER STATE SUBSIDY at ang pagsusulong nga isang NATIONALIST, SCIENTIFIC at MASS-ORIENTED NA EDUCATION.. 🙂
“I used the word ‘agreed’ since student consultation is required by the government through the CHED before any tertiary school is permitted to increase its tuition rate. ”
FYI Kuya, UP is not under CHED. With regards to the 300 percent tuition and other fee increase in UP, no consultation or even a dialogue with the students was ever made.
You are not form UP that I am sure of. With the way you speak, it’s blatant that you are an outsider. But let me tell you this, considering the fact that your blog says “HONESTY. OBJECTIVITY. INTEGRITY,” I assumed that you are at least living up to your standards but I guess you’re not. The objectivity part here, you see, is quite questionable. When you say your OBJECTIVE then that means you are to be impartial. But the irony of it is that in this blog entry you have just been so biased. Are you even talking about education or the UP community?
Do you know the emic approach? You might as well have used this one while you were trying to present your ideas. Maybe in this way, the UP people would have never lambasted you.
You know what made this blog such a sensation? It is you (the writer of this blog) failing to look at where the UP students are coming from. UP students don’t just go out the streets to rant about nothing. If we don’t stand up to fight against the government’s wrong allocation of budget, then who else will? Would you do it for us? I guess you wouldn’t ‘coz you are just a whiner. “Empty cans are noisy” that’s what my Chem teacher used to say. I guess you are one.
My advice, don’t go walking near any of the UP campuses. We don’t like people who are very assuming– pretending they know everything. POSER! We are not bad guys here remember that. It’s the people like you that make us look like one.
at the very least, 2 schools na ang dapat niyang iwasan. Alin kaya ang isusunod ng ungas na to?
Two Thumbs up for Concerned Citizen. 🙂
agree with concerned citizen 😀
O RLY?
to the guy who wrote this blog.. FU man… you know what.. you’re the communist… EDUCATION IS A RIGHT .. hell.. i didn’t attend the walkout…but i know the TOFI IS A PAIN IN ASS… UP IS A STATE UNIVERSITY….. WHICH MEANS IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND OF THE PEOPLE… get a life man…
Alam kong may freedom rin ang bawat isa sa atin na maglabas ng hinaing tungkol sa mga bagay sa paligid natin, pero sana minsan, pag-aralan muna natin ang mga isinusulat natin. Sana rin mamulat ka dre, kung sino ka man. Maraming pag-aaral pa ang kinakailangan mo. Padayon!
im speaking for myself and what i witnessed nung estudyante pa lang ako sa pup, bakit protesta ng protesta ang mga aktibista? panahon pa lang ng mga tatay at nanay natin o nagaaral pa lang si satur, nagproprotesta na.. may nangyayari ba? kung meron, malamang hindi na nagproprotesta ang mga aktibista ngayon pero hindi, so hula ko.. ganun pa din, if not.. mas malala kesa dati.. (or pwede din namang may nangyayari kaya protesta pa rin ang paraan nila, ok lang akong mabara at mapatunayang mali).
kasi kung ako at ako lang naman (uulitin ko, nagsasalita ako para sa sarili ko) kung ilang dekada na na hindi or walang masyadong nababago dahil sa protesta, hindi ba oras na siguro para palitan ang approach natin sa mga usaping kagaya nyan? realidad naman eh, kupal ang gobyerno at asa pa tayong magbago ang sistema (my point of view and mine alone). heres my take on this, bakit instead na magprotesta ng magprotesta, bakit hindi tayo magsumikap on our own? ganito, sa 5 taon na pagaaral ko sa pup, siguro, siguro.. 10 sa 100 aktibista sa pup lang ang nageexcel sa klase, mas marami ung puro bagsak at drop, mas marami pa ung piniling tumambay sa hq nila or gumawa ng banner o magready sa rally kesa magaral sa exam, gumawa ng assignment. maraming beses, hindi lang isa or dalawa, maraming beses ko ng nawitness na mga kalase kong aktibista ang kating kati na lumabas at sumama sa rally kesa tapusin ang exam, lalabas sa kalagitnaan ng klase dahil may pagpupulong or may protestang magaganap, or ayun nga, puro absent hanggang sa madrop dahil mas pinili na mgarally kesa magaral.
lahat ng to naman, pananaw ko lang at pagtataka kung bakit ganun.. ang sakin kasi, ok lang magrally, pero para piliin ang rally kesa sa magexam, pumasok at magsikap sa klase or magpart time job para magkabaon or pangtuition, may mali ata dun.. 🙂 ok lang akong mabara pero uulitin ko pa rin, ang lahat ng to ay akin at aking pagtataka at pagkukuro kuro lang, wala akong galit kanino man 🙂 \m/
Tama. Walang nangyayari sa mga aktibista. Hindi uunlad ang kanilang buhay. Naghihintay lang kasi sila na mabigyan ng ninakaw na pera sa pamahalaan. Ayaw nilang magsikap. Socialista kasi!
“Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance” – H.L. Mencken
“Socialism is a sick joke, a comedy” – Anonymous
“Democracy is the surest way to communism” – I think it was Marx or Lenin
wa;a bang FILIPINO PERSPECTIVE dito ?? tangena, puro kayo Marx, Smith, Philosophers na mula sa ibang bansa. walang perspektibo ng pagka-Pilipino.. OO, yana ng pinagaaralan din sa UP mga kanluranin na perspektibo but eventually, nagkakaroon kami ng sarili naming PAG-IISIP. na kaya kami LUMALABAN ay dahil may KAALAMAN kami tungkol sa PINAGLALABAN namin.
babbling about theories and quotes and whatever stuff from philosophers who are really great wont make you sound genius. pinapahiya nyo lang sila.
I have nothing against you. But the thing is, unless you are a part of the community being struck by accusations, you’ll never know how it feels like. I don’t like rallying, but what they’re (activists) fighting for is not just for the UP community but also for the rest of the State universities and public schools including PUP. We silently support the activists because we believe that there’s got to be somebody else who has to raise a voice for us, who, prefer to sit on their classrooms than walk the streets.
Being an activist doesn’t mean that you are a leftist already. Those who think that activists are leftists for sure have a misconstrued notion of what an activist really means. And it doesn’t mean that activists flunk their subjects. I can tell you that a lot of activists are way wittier than I am or you are.
My answer to you and to others who have the same opinion:
“The price of a “free” public education is freedom. The collectivist (Nazi, communist, socialist) notion that there is such a thing as a “free” education is a monstrous myth — anything of value must be paid for. The state per say produces nothing, all state funds are forcibly taken from others through taxes, etc. When one recommends the “state funding of education to preserve freedom“, one is asking that the freedom of one’s fellow citizens be abridged, that their wealth be looted by public officials, all for the alleged purpose of protecting freedom. This is a contradiction in terms: freedom of action under a system of rights, is never preserved by the violation of those rights. That is, no matter how good the alleged ends, evil means are never justified.”
LINK — https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/freedom-in-education-versus-right-to-education/
I am a taxpayer. I pay a huuuuuuuuge amount of tax every month because of the size of my salary. However, I am more than happy to part with my earnings kung nakikita ko lang na most of it goes to improve school lives of the next generation. I will, then, not feel like a slave when I pay my taxes.
true!!!!
that is beacuse of the fact that you recognize that you are part of the Filipino society and that you have a role to do to make things better for everyone else, and not only to yourself. Kudos! 😀
One objective of “Walkout 2010” has been affirmed in this blog …
“to push discourse to the society regarding education.”
Good Job!
to the writer of this !@#$%^&*() blog:
wala kang karapatang magsalita o magkomento mula sa perspektibo ng isang ignorateng katulad mo.
@ admin:
“Never read from the works of this author again.” — we should. para malaman natin kung gano kagaling (insert sarcasm here) ang mga taong kumokondena sa pinaglalaban ng mga iskolar ng bayan. 🙂 Tignan natin kung makapaglakad yan sa mga campus ng UP.
PS: WALANG BAYAD MAG-ISIP. LIBRE YUN. :>
this is intellectual masturbation. a pseudo-intellectual write up which intends to prove he knows more than anybody else but actually do not. that’s the problem when someone wants to show off – quote people here and there. post what he read from god-knows-where without actually thinking or analyzing things.
if you’re simply basing your opinions with the premise that: “others pay for their education hence UPians should not ask for other people to pay for their education”, then your premise is wrong. because in the first place, in a justified society, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN EDUCATION – which is to say, it is wrong for anyone to be poor, to not have money to pay for their education.
there should be equality. and with your premise, you do not seem to recognize this concept, this principle.
so how does UPians or any other iskolar ng bayan be able to have their education and get at least a part of this “equality”? that is for the state (from the people’s taxes) to provide them with subsidized education (and they should actually be giving more subsidy since the current education subsidy isn’t enough to send all those out-of-school youths). that is one of the solutions. because if they do not do that, then, they will commit a greater blunder
not only the blunder of social injustice that the rich impose upon the poor, but the greater blunder of tolerating social injustice when in fact, there are immediate solutions that can be done – SUBSIDIZED EDUCATION is one of these.
“A right to life, a right to choose; a right to vote, to work, to strike; a right to one phone call, to dissolve parliament, to operate a forklift, to asylum, to equal treatment before the law, to feel proud of what one has done; a right to exist, to sentence an offender to death, to launch a nuclear first strike, to carry a concealed weapon, to a distinct genetic identity; a right to believe one’s own eyes, to pronounce the couple husband and wife, to be left alone, to go to hell in one’s own way.” -reference kuya?
Well done, explaining the concept of right in a not-so-politically-correct way. A right to life- we have that. A right to choose- election says it so. We also have the right to choose what we should believe in. You have you own ideas about this matter, the UP students have their own choice of ideas. SHOW RESPECT TO THIS IDEAS… Concomitant to this, like what you have just mentioned, we have the right to believe one’s own eyes. They see that this is a problem-let them solve it the way they think it should be.
You mentioned categories of rights, but these are all individual rights. The “rights” that we have in the constitution are the “rights” that the people can have over the government. You should have realized that these are two different things. You question the 1987 Constitution saying that the interpretation of the concept of right is a surreal one. In this regard, I allude that you question the government and not the people who are practicing their right to express their sentiments. It is not a matter of coercion, since what they are doing may simple be a matter of expression- expressing their sentiments with the current government. I also do not agree with the way they are expressing the sentiments or with what they are asking, neither do I agree with your ideas. You are questioning the concept of right, but you have to understand that this is also a relative term. Question the law, the government’s interpretation of rights- I believe that would be better. Moreover, they are not asking for a “FREE”.
Lastly, please change the link title. UP STUDENTS ARE NOT STUPID!!!! thank you..
malakas ang pakiramdam kong isa kang frustrated UPCAT taker of some sort, Mr. Blog-maker.
lahat ng sobra masama at nakaksakit. sobrang dasal, sobrang pera, sobrang nakaw at pati sobrang pakikipaglaban at pagproprotesta. hindi ko maintindihan sa mga aktibista, oo napaka ideal at tama ng ipinaglalaban nyo, kudos dun! pero para sa nasksihan ko sa pagaaral ko sa state-u, mas maraming aktibista ang overstaying sa university dahil puro bagsak dahil puro absent, cutting classes dahil meron silang ipinaglalaban sa kalye at sa pagproprotesta.. asan ang tama dun? kung sasabihin nyong oo, sakripisyo ng sariling pagaaral para sa nakararami.. tatawa nlng ako at aapiran ka. hindi ko kasi makuha ang logic na mapapabayaan ang pagaaral ko dahil sa sobrang pakikibaka at pagrarally at paghahayag ng mga nararapat, hindi mali ang maghayag ng kung ano ang tama, ang mali ay pagnasosobrahan, at sa pagaaral ko ng 5 taon sa pup, sa karamihan ng aktibista na kilala ko.. ganyan ang nangyayari sa kanila 🙂
this is a hasty generalization, I am an activist but I am a constant College Scholar. Last year’s Magna Cum Laude in our unit was the chairperson of LFS. There are a ton of academic achievers amongst the ranks of activists but people tend to cherry pick those they would use as models built upon prejudices and stereotypes.
at oo, alam ko.. off topic ako 😀
off topic ka nga!
The not-so-new arguments of this pathetic blog, re-stating that education is a privilege & not a right, has been trash-talked over & over again by nonsensical intellectuals just as himself – one who has never experienced the pangs of poverty. The arguments are idealistic, selfish, oh and yes – stupid. He attacked UPians & Leftists alike without any forethought of what his fate would be had he chosen to. But I would personally like to congratulate you, the author, of this one-sided blog. You’ve just earned the title of the “world’s greatest prat.”
We will do you a favor by re-posting your “wonderful” blog on the walls of UP Baguio itself. News about your blog has traveled wide in Facebook & I think you would just be pleased to find that hundreds of people find it very, very amusing to hate. Some would choose to ignore & laugh about it because idiocy is just incurable & intellectual elitism, pathetic. Some have scrutinized it to its pathetic little idiotic arguments. However self-satisfying your arguments are about Philippine education – about it being – “not a right,” it cannot change the fact that even you are living in a country that has problems of neo-colonialism – or for a better term, imperialism – & its brothers, feudalism & bureaucratic capitalism. Your arguments can only stand in a non-existing place where all people are rich & can buy even education. You cannot buy education. I’m sure you have paid for yours & I think it has done you no good, otherwise it would have put some sense into that thick skull of yours. & no, my dear, education in UP is not free. It is subsidized by taxpayers such as yourself & myself. Such a percentage of the taxes are used to subsidize the education of UPians, especially for those who have extreme financial constraints. Mobilizations such as the WALK-OUT at UP Baguio, which you have been brave enough to mention in your blog, are a means to return to the people the rightful obligation as their scholar – to fight for national patrimony and sovereignty, so that in the long-run, these “taxpayers” you’re referring to will live a better & more comfortable life without the dictate of modern-day colonialists.
Marami kang sinulat, pero walang naging malapit sa katotohanan. Mahaba ang argument pero walang kinahinatnan. Walang matutulungan. If it’s a debate you want, then you’ll sure get it. Let’s take this out in the streets. You need to wake up from your idealisms.
Education is a right. It is not a privilege. Everyone has a right to accessible, mass-oriented & democratic type of education. & maybe next time, you would have something more sensible than this to intellectually masterbate about.
I pity you.
Kudos to Froilan for having the balls to stand up to the leftist establishment! This blog is the most sensational pronunciation of “I” in the Philippines and the most emphatic showing of a middle finger to the hopelessly indoctrinated and economically ignorant leftist Filipino youth and university (pseudo)intellectuals.
This comments thread is long, and full of ad hominem attacks by the leftists. It only proves once again that they have no argument against the stance of “honesty, objectivity, integrity”.
True….
you’re so full of shit, it’s starting to leak into your brain. You talk about the indoctrinated youth when you yourself are a part of it. You are indoctrinated to fight against people who offer alternatives and contradiction. You follow your dogma of capitalist perspectives and join the ranks of elitists who deem themselves better by birth right. We are well-versed in concepts relating to economy, we just don’t believe that you concept is the right one.
Magaling ka ngang magsulat, kaso puro mali naman ang laman.
Base sa mga pinagsasabi mo sa blog entry na ‘to eh, inaakala mo ba sa aming mga taga-UP na walang kaming paki-alam sa mga mamayang nagbabayad ng buwis para magpag-aral kami? Ganun ba ha?! FYI kuya, kaya nga kami lumalabas sa aming mga classroom upang ipagsigawan ang karapatan ng bawat mamayang makapag-aral. Ay oo nga pala, di ka pala naniwalang karapatan ang edukasyon. Sige na sabihin na nga nating hindi siya karapatan. Pero wala ka bang pakialam dun sa mga batang nangangarap ng mas magandang buhay para sa kanya at sa kanyang pamilya pero kahit magkanda kubakuba siya o ang mga magulang n’ya ay di pa rin niya maafford ang magandang edukasyon. Ipagkakait mo ba sa kanyang mapabuti at mapa-unlad ang buhay nya. Mukhang di mo kasi naranasang maghirap, magutom at mamrublema kung makakapag-aral ka bas a susunod na semestre. Marahil isasagot mo sa akin na marami naming scholarships sa mga private universities, eh ang tanong sasasapat ba yun sa lahat?
Naawa ako sa’yo Kuya. Mas matalino ka nga sa akin, pero di mo kasi nakikita yung katotohanan. Try mo kayang for once lang eh, iwan mo yang marangyang pamumuhay mo at pagmasdan mo yung paligid mo at alamin mo yung mga issues na bumabagabag sa mga ating lipunan.
Dalaw ka minsan samin sa UPB. Marami kaming ipapaintindi sa’yo, ha?.
to the writer:
a friend shared a link of this on fb, and the title was successful in catching the attention of state u students thirsting for a more accessible quality education. but it didn’t take me five fucking minutes before rushing to the comment box.
intro pa lang kasi, definition of rights, of oblation, of slavery, etc. halatang unreliable ka na.so nawalan ako ng ganang magbasa.hindi mo masyadong kabisado ang isyung ginagalaw mo.looks like you need to do some research and update this. from history to current events, pati statistics at constitution (which i guess you already did dahil paulit-ulit na nilang pinamukha sayo sa comments).pwede nating sabihing hindi rin ako reliable critic dahil nga di ko tinapos basahin ang entry mo.hayaan mo na, karapatan ko naman yun.
ikaw, karapatan mo rin na magpost ng basura sa blog mo.hahayaan din kita.
ngunit ang gobyerno, may karapatan din bang nakawin ang buwis ng mamamayan na dapat ay laan para sa mga iskolar ng bayan? hahayaan lang din ba natin yun?
look at the comparison…siguro ang sasabihin mo palpak ang analogy.ibang bagay yung huli, etc. pero pinapantayan ko lang din kasi analogy mo tungkol sa right for education at right for luxuries.naisip ko lang, kung pakikitirin ko nang konti ang utak ko hanggang sa magpantay tayo eh baka magkaintindihan din tayo.
but my love, even though i see and understand your point, i just can’t agree.kaya ko ngang pantayan kabobohan mo pero hindi ang apathy mo.
perhaps you do not find it just that the tax you are paying goes to those seemingly ungrateful students protesting and causing traffics on the streets… so would you have preferred that your money goes to those military bullshits or to the goddamn pockets of our corrupt government officials??
just a tip: if ever you find another one of those annoying demos, protests or such shits by UP students, try to take off you earphones and listen to those idiots. not necessarily join them.but just listen.then you’ll realize that they are against slavery and that they are not asking for FREE education.
You’re so stUpid… Kung mkasarili ang UP students, ano ka??san mo gust0ng mapunta ung mga pera ng taxpayers?s bulsa ng politicians? Kaya ngbAbAYad ang taxpayerS para s welfare ng phiLippines and that welfare lies oN the hands of the youths…UNG mga ngaARAl…bk8,s tingIn mo b pg ang susun0d n henerasyoN hndi nkapgaral may mangyayari?…ndi namin hiniHiling n ibgay lahat ng kaBan Ng BAYAN S EdukaxoN…Hiling namin maibgay ng tama s ibAt IbANg dEpartamento ang pera ng mga tao para mkita nila ang mga pngbAbyARAN NLAH…tpos, “eDucAtioN is nOt a riGht”? That’s the dumbest idEa i’ve read! ReFlect oN ur blog my friend,.
JEJEMON FROM UP? What???!!! Pathetic!
Hindi ako maka-JEJEMON pero pakinggan mo nga sarili mo. Hindi mo man lang naintindihan yung message. Pagkakita mo ng Caps in the wrong places, you pass your judgment readily. Para na ring sinabi mong bobo ang mga Bisaya, Ilonggo, Ilokano, atbp. dahil hindi pareho ang katagang ginagamit niyo.
Para mo na ring sinabing bobo ang pilipino dahil hindi tayo nag-e-English sa lahat ng panahon.
Sa totoo lang. Mali din naman ang punctuations mo. Isa ka ring Pathet. :DD
Inggit ka lang hindi ka pumasa ng UP, kumag.
@ UP Student.
Your stupid rant is invalid, bro. Pinapakita mo lang na BOBO ka. Kung taga-UP ka nga, wala ka ngang kwenta and you’re simply showing that you’re nothing but PARASITE! Attack the argument. Puro kayo mura… mga kuwenta! Masyadong kadiri ang mga kabobohan at ka-istupidohan ninyo. Pweh! UP kuno! Wala naman laman ang utak!
Define PARASITE please. One benefits in the expense of another, right?
At kailan pa kami LANG ang nagbenefit? FYI WE DO PAY TAXES!!!!!!
And I’m sorry to say that YOU ARE PLAIN STUPID.
Aren’t we attacking the arguments? If you are just reading the comments you’ll find out how heartfelt and deeply thought those are.
FYI ulit kuya, we are just deconstructing this IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT that FROILAN VINCENT BERSAMINA.
Sorry if we are being TOO PERSONAL, in the first place he started all of this CRAP.
ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?
CONGRATULATIONS to all commenters from UP. You have just shown your stupidity!
Yeah? and how about you? your “GREATNESS?” Teka, san banda?
kung ang pagdedefend sa karapatan ng mga mamamayan ay istupido, ano na lamng ang hindi istupido?..
para lang yang ganito: kung ang mga rebolusyun ngayon ay isang uri ng terorismo, ibig sabihin, si bonifacio ay isang terorista..
Don’t ever try to flatter yourself. If you really know what you’re fighting for, then you’d know that it’s legalized theft or extortion by the government I have explained very extensively my point and arguments why “education is not a right” and why education subsidy has evil consequences. If you’re honest enough- and if you really try to refute my blog- then you should have read the whole blog and its appurtenances. If you say you’re educated, then have the patience and intelligence to understand my arguments before making such a stupid claim.
I have stated very clearly why education is an invalid concept and a contradiction in terms in this blog. All you have to do is understand the concept of rights and then get back here. https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/the-right-to-education-is-an-invalid-concept/
I have stated why public education is evil here… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/the-evils-of-public-education-why-up-and-other-sucs-must-be-privatized/
… why there’s a need to separate education from state… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/separate-state-from-education/
… why dealing with mediocre people is the best form of charity I could give… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/dealing-with-mediocrity/
… and what will happen to poor people… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/what-about-the-poor-who-cant-pay-for-their-education/
This is how a debate is done. Know my arguments and do not resort to context-dropping. Capisce?
Wow! Leftists are so good at trash-talking. Literally scary.
ALL JIBBER JABBER!!
GUMRADUATE KAYO ON-TIME, PUMASA KAYO SA KLASE AT WAG NYO UNAHIN ANG RALLY SA PAGAARAL NYO NG HINDI MASAYANG ANG PERA NG MGA NAGTRATRABAHO!
Hoy Francis! Wag kang mag generalize! Hindi lahat ng aktibista iresponsable pagdating sa pag-aaral nila. Marami ang achievers at mga Laude pa. Bago ka mag husga mag imbistiga ka muna.
Oo nga, may mga aktibistang hindi nakakapagtapos ng pag-aaral pero majority dun hindi dahil sa delinquency. Marami sa kanila nanggaling sa mahirap na pamilya at kahit pa noong 200-300/unit pa lang tuition di na nila kaya. Imaginin mo, nung panahong yun marami na ang hindi nakapag tapos nang dahil sa krisis. Mas na ngayon nang dahil sa TOFI.
Kaya patuloy ang protesta! Di kasi kami makasarili! Di tulad mo! Ikaw ang puro jibberjabber!!
bkt?????? d bah pwdng pag sabayin ang dalawa??? marami na ang naka graduate na leftist ah…. cumlaude pa…..
to tired of UP reds:
“Inggit ka lang hindi ka pumasa ng UP, kumag.”
–yung mga ganito naman kasing komento ay hindi naglalayong magtuwid sa mga baluktot na puntong ibinangon ng nagsulat ng blog entry na to.ito yung nakangisi o pabuntong hininga na lamang sinasabi ng mga isko na pagod na o sadyang hindi lang nila naiisip na time worthy ang makipagtalo sa mga katulad mo yamang batid din naman nilang sarado o masyado nang masikip ang isip mo para munawaan ang mga tunay na konsepto ng karapatan at pagiging iskolar ng bayan.
and if you think that this comment is “stupid and “invalid”, well so is this:
“JEJEMON FROM UP? What???!!! Pathetic!”
which is politically incorrect because being a jejemon does not necessarily mean that the isko is stupid.and as you said, “Attack the argument.” may laman ang sinabi nya.bakit ang pinupuna mo ay ang paraan ng pagta-type nya?
and this,
“CONGRATULATIONS to all commenters from UP. You have just shown your stupidity!”
how is this so?eh kina Ecostrife flores at UP student lang ang mga comments na sinagot mo.napakaraming counterarguments ng mga isko sa thread na to.bakit hindi sila ang inaatake mo?oo, dahil alam mo sa sarili mo na tama naman talaga sila.
lower the ego, my dear, and stop showing off.
Well, sa totoo lang, graduate na ako and I’m a self-employed. Ayaw kong mag-aral sa bulok na pamantasan kagaya ng UP. Maayos sana ang UP kung hindi dahil sa mga leftist professors niyo na sumisira sa mga utak ng mga kabataan ngayon. Tama ang sinabi ni Francis, “GUMRADUATE KAYO ON-TIME, PUMASA KAYO SA KLASE AT WAG NYO UNAHIN ANG RALLY SA PAGAARAL NYO NG HINDI MASAYANG ANG PERA NG MGA NAGTRATRABAHO!”
Wag unahin ang rally. Wag niyong ipagmayabang na taga-UP kayo kasi pabigat kayo sa bayan at mga taxpayers. Wag niyong idahilang ang pag-criticize sa ibang mga estupidong UP students ay hindi pagpasa sa UPCAT. There are some people who don’t want to study at UP.
Wag kayong PARASITIKO! Mag-aral na lang kayo ng mabuti dahil bawat galaw ninyo sa UP ay malaking bayaran ng mga taong bayan! CAPISCE?!!!
wag mong sabihin na pinapaaral kami ng aong bayan dahil sa totoo lang, sangayon. HINDI
@ GAGO. Your troll name fits you. In fact and in reality, you only pay less than ONE-FOURTH of what you’re supposed to pay! We taxpayers subsidize your education and do not tell me you don’t, you STUPID PARASITICAL INGRATE!
You call UP students as Parasitical…Ingrates?
WOW.
It sucks when a lot of people do not think like us. That’s what Rizal has been telling us through Noli and Fili for what, 3 centuries?
Hanggang ngayon e hindi pa rin bukas ang isip natin. Kung ano ang lipunan noon, ay siyang ganun din ngayon. Mapagsarili tayo, ni hindi natin iniisip kung ano nga ba ang TALAGANG tama.
From what you said, you’re an apathetic person, unworthy of the name: “Filipino”
Oo nga. Sa kalagayan ngayon ng UP, HINDI IKAW ANG NAGPAPAARAL SA’MIN. Right now, UPans themselves are supporting UP more than the taxpayers. On an individual basis, sa bawat isang daan na ginagasta mo sa kahit ano, WALA PANG LIMANG PISO ANG NAPUPUNTA SA UP. Ako, at kahit sinong UPan na ngayon maliban sa mga BRACKET E, in addition to the less than P5 that goes to UP for every P100 I spend, e nagbabayad pa ng as much as P20,000 per sem. Kaya kung ang gusto mo e wag nang suportahan ng taxpayers ang UP, CONGRATULATIONS, wish granted… almost 4 years ago in fact.
if we–UP students, who just happen to be the most academically successful students in the Philippines–are stupid, then, what in the world are we going to call you? 🙂
“I’m A self-employed”
–>Sino ang STUPID ngayon?
to CONGRATULATIONS UP
—— mayama ka cguro kaya mo nasabi yan… saan ka bah nag graduate???? alam mo bah kng anu ang ping dadaanan ng mga tga UP????
ok, im sorry for all what i have written above. I’
By saying, “The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide for their educational needs.” Didn’t you think twice?
FYI, UP is the ground where the great leaders, great people and the most respected people in this country were developed. UP creates citizens who cares about this country and knows the constitution, their rights and what is real FREEDOM. It is a ground where the unfortunate people get the chance of higher education. Not all UP students are stupid, not all UP students are leftists despite our instructors because we have the option to THINK TWICE. An option you forgot before writing this blog post.
If you don’t give us the right to education, then the Philippines might just well then forget about calling us UP or forget about the services that we give to this country. Forget about everything. We students might as well watch this country fall down to the control of selfish citizens like you. And serve another country like all the others do. Burn the oblation. SAYO NA LAHAT NG PERA SA MUNDO. WAG KA NA MAGBAYAD NG BUWIS MO.
I believe that people like you make this country a sitting duck to progress.
FYI, UP is becoming more and more of a threat to this country because of its liberal and leftist professors.
“FYI, UP is the ground where the great leaders, great people and the most respected people in this country were developed. UP creates citizens who cares about this country and knows the constitution, their rights and what is real FREEDOM.”
That’s a puerile fantasy. This country was developed by the new business schools that opened before and after World War II. It is these business school from the University Belt area that helped our country recover from war. It is these business schools (despite the fact they they didn’t offer a pure defense of capitalism) that provided human capital and economic backbone to this war-torn country.
Please read more before you post such comment sir froivinber. Do some research for the sake of your blog.
Not all teachers in UP are leftist.
mr froivinder……
leftist professors????????——– bussiness schools????/
can u state facts???????? and bkt mo nasabi na threat ang UP sa bansa na ito????
andaming aktibista sa labas ng batasan sa sona ni noynoy.. hindi ba’t hindi holiday ngayon, wala bang klase ung mga estudyanteng yun? ;-?
Simula nung 2008, wala ng pasok bawat lunes. Mula Wednesday, naging Monday ang rest day. Pero sa mga nakaraang taon, kinakansela rin ng UP admin ang klase twing SONA.
FRANCIS, WALANG PASOK ANG LAHAT NG UP TWING MONDAY. AT TWING SONA, WALANG PASOK ANG UP DILIMAN AT HALOS ANG IBA PANG MGA KARATIG CAMPUSES. K? ;-D
If you’re saying that the government has no capacity to subsidize the education of students enrolled in state universities, let me ask you this: how much of the state money is lost due to corruption?
That’s basically what these people are fighting for. They’re fighting for the subsidy that should be placed in education and other basic services that are lost due to our corrupted officials.
ang bobo naman ng blog na ‘to! ang bobo nung writer! 🙂
HAHAHA GRABE. WALA AKONG MASABI KUNDI ANG KITID NG UTAK MO SIR FROIVINBER and TIRED OF UP REDS *clap clap * 😀 UPians are stupid? :)) Eh kung stupid ang mga ISKOLAR NG BAYAN, ANO KA PA? Nako I feel sorry for you 😦
To Vince,
You said education is not a right, and the right to education is an invalid concept. How come that the United Nations (UN) and UNESCO recognized the right to education as a human right? Does that mean you have more understanding than them (UN and UNESCO) with regards to human rights, or right, at least?
FTW!
Let’s go UP!
The UN has been hijacked by liberals and international communists. The UN is becoming more of a threat to the sovereignty of its member nations. The UN is now the main propagator of junk science through its invalid defense of global warming. Education is not a human right. It is a commodity. Nobody is depriving you from going to school. That’s part of your right to choose. But you don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs.
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Psychologically, the U.N. has contributed a great deal to the gray swamp of demoralization—of cynicism, bitterness, hopelessness, fear and nameless guilt—which is swallowing the Western world. But the communist world has gained a moral sanction, a stamp of civilized respectability from the Western world—it has gained the West’s assistance in deceiving its victims—it has gained the status and prestige of an equal partner, thus establishing the notion that the difference between human rights and mass slaughter is merely a difference of political opinion.
The declared goal of the communist countries is the conquest of the world. What they stand to gain from a collaboration with the (relatively) free countries is the latter’s material, financial, scientific, and intellectual resources; the free countries have nothing to gain from the communist countries. Therefore, the only form of common policy or compromise possible between two such parties is the policy of property owners who make piecemeal concessions to an armed thug in exchange for his promise not to rob them.
The U.N. has delivered a larger part of the globe’s surface and population into the power of Soviet Russia than Russia could ever hope to conquer by armed force. The treatment accorded to Katanga versus the treatment accorded to Hungary, is a sufficient example of U.N. policies. An institution allegedly formed for the purpose of using the united might of the world to stop an aggressor, has become means of using the united might of the world to force the surrender of one helpless country after another into the aggressor’s power.
Who, but a concrete-bound epistemological savage, could have expected any other results from such an “experiment in collaboration”? What would you expect from a crime-fighting committee whose board of directors included the leading gangsters of the community?
When an institution reaches the degree of corruption, brazen cynicism and dishonor demonstrated by the U.N. in its shameful history, to discuss it at length is to imply that its members and supporters may possibly be making an innocent error about its nature—which is no longer possible. There is no margin for error about a monstrosity that was created for the alleged purpose of preventing wars by uniting the world against any aggressor, but proceeded to unite it against any victim of aggression. The expulsion of a charter member, the Republic of China —an action forbidden by the U.N.’s own Charter—was a “moment of truth,” a naked display of the United Nations’ soul.
What was Red China’s qualification for membership in the U.N.? The fact that her government seized power by force, and has maintained it for twenty-two years by terror. What disqualified Nationalist China? The fact that she was a friend of the United States.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/united_nations.html
The comments on this blog post have proven that the most dangerous threat to this country is the dominance of leftist professors in the state universities, and I would even argue that they are successfully radicalizing political science students in top private universities today. Leftist politics and hysterical pseudo-moralizing are the cancer.
If UP’s main contribution to the Philippines is socialism then we should outright abolish it. No matter how good engineering graduates in UP are, the good is overwhelmingly surpassed by the damage that socialist ideas create. Smart engineers are worth squat if their services are not geared towards the needs of people, and the only way to know the needs of people is through the price mechanism, not some value-judgment by mentally senile politicians/parasites.
If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education
I include UP’s philosophy department…
Sa’ng pamantasan kayo, noy?
Galing niyo no? If you can’t defeat their argument, brand them and reject them.
Kaya nga bumabagsak ang gobyerno kasi ginagawang negosyo ng kapitalistang umaastang representante. You make your points based on assumption made by people who may not even have heard of a Philippines.
Rand?
paranoid ka lang…. haha
If Education is a commodity. What type of commodity is it?
“Nobody is depriving you from going to school. That’s part of your right to choose. But you don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs.”
Low income, i guess, is something that deprives most people from going to school.
The constitution itself tells that The Philippines is a democratic and republican state and the sovereignty belongs to the people. A government was established that shall embody ideals and aspirations. I think the people have the right to make their own right, principles aside.
@ ECONoid.
“If Education is a commodity. What type of commodity is it?”
It’s just the same as health care, water, or any other services that we pay and receive. Yes, it’s true that education is very important, but it doesn’t mean that it has a so special category as against all other services that we receive.
the government also is responsible to promote the common good. I don’t think it is wrong to ask the government to subsidize our educational needs. Besides, UP is a government institution. Ganun talaga eh. Well, if your ideology is that it is not right to subsidize UP, then let UP and other state colleges and univ. be privatized. But still, the government is responsible to promote the common good.
The government is the most dependent entity on earth. It has to rely on the people before it has something to redistribute. Try to think and start from this premise.
@Mike G. Reyes
haha, i was just trying to break the ice.
but at some degree, it is a normal good. XD
water is a necessity which is a good whose consumption increases an amount smaller than an increase in income. hehe
I know that’s all your premise. You all say education is a necessity. But water, food, transportation are all necessity. Might as well subsidize them based on your assumption. What do you think will happen to our country if that’s how we treat things?
@vince
on a second thought, you have a point you that we don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs..
bakit kasi “the right to ASK the government…”? haha
@ ECONoid.
I don’t speak in behalf of Froivinber. I’m a Libertarian, he’s an Objectivist, but we have the same approach and understanding when it comes to free-market capitalism. We disagree when it comes to philosophy. In fact, he hates and rejects Libertarianism.
@Mike
I’m not saying subsidize them all, in the first place.
“What do you think will happen to our country if that’s how we treat things?”
ans. – looking at the current situation, the country will be submerged to higher fiscal deficit. the problem is government agencies incurred losses at yun ang nagiging burden ng government.
i see, kaya pala.
That’s why this country needs privatization, and this is what the blogger is talking about in most of his blogs. The government is a big failure. Private firms can do better. That’s why private firms offer a higher amount of salaries than the government. Let the private sector run its own business.
privatization is good to raise revenue for the fiscal deficit. Although it is non-recurring. Kapag naprivatized ang UP, ang aftermath nun kawawa ang mahihirap.
wag ka mainis.. wag ka mainggit
Ang tanga mo. ‘Yun lang ang masasabi ko. Gusto mo lang gumawa ng statement para sumikat ka. Pero sumikat ka sa katangahan ng mga sinabi mo. Hindi ko na ginusto pang basahin ang mga sumunod na stanza dahil nakakatanga.
These students are fighting not only for UP students’ education but for the government to allot more to the education sector at hindi kurakutin ang pera ng taumbayan. Ngano ma’t ang power ng mga Pilipino ay mauwi hindi lang sa bulsa ng iilan pero sa ikauunlad ng bawat Pilipino na direktong proporsyonal sa pag-unlad ng bayan.
Read the constitution first. Ignorance is bliss, and so is your stupidity.
Rand’s philosophy is trash.
So, in place of Rand’s philosophy which affirms Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, you want people to embrace Marxism which has long been discredited and debunked?
It is not debunk. Have you really read his works?
At least, Marxism is not a cult. It’s societal involvement. And Marx left his nifty four-squared room to immerse with society before making conclusions. That’s the scientific method. You make a hypothesis, you test it, you conclude. There is always room for improvement of knowledge. This is proven by history over and over again.
Rand made absolute truths out of whims. She may have good points but she’s a lunatic. I mean, who knows what’s absolute?
Reading sa UP si Rand. Reading din si Marx. If you haven’t read both, don’t judge any. Don’t Judge lest ye be judged!
Someone said this: “Kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon? eh ano? para lang sa may pera? ”
Who said this? I don’t think the blogger said this coz I read his blogs. I’m an avid reader, fyi. What do you mean by “karapatan ang edukasyon?” That the government will provide you your education? If that’s the case, then everybody must be given the opportunity to what you call “right to education.” But where will the government get the money? Ang tingin mo ba sa gobyerno ay isang MAGICIAN ka kayang gumawa ng pera galing sa wala? May pinanggagalingan ang pera at isa dun ang buwis. Ang iba ay utang at paggawa ng perang papel. Don’t you understand this?
PLUS! Nobody’s depriving you to go to any school. Mayroon kang karapatan na pumili kung ano ang gusto mo. Walang pumipigil sa iyo. Pero WALA KANG KARAPATANG HUMINGI NG PERA SA GOBYERNO PARA SA PAG-AARAL MO! Naiintindihan mo? Ang edukasyon ay isang commodity. Walang pinagkaiba yan sa mga bilihin. Kagaya rin yan sa health care.
You don’t understand the point of the blogger because you have been long indoctrinated by your liberal and leftist professors.
Ay thank you. haha. Pero kasi alam mo yung accessible? Hehe. Di po free. Sorry din po kasi Bracket A ako? Sorry din po kasi alam kong may paraan naman para maging accessible ang education natin? Sorry kasi hindi sagot ang privatization para sa akin. Sorry din po kasi gusto ko lang na mas maraming Pilipino ang makapag-aral.
Hindi ko sinabing magtae ng pera ang gobyerno.. Ayusin lang nila ang pagbbudget. Ayusin ang trabaho.. Ayusin ang sistema. Yun lang. Hindi ako humihingi ng libre.. Madami ako non. Bigyan pa kita. Kapal mo. UP ka?
Oo nga.
Wala kang karapatang bawiin ang ninakaw na ng pulitiko. No take-sy Back-sies. Stealers-keepers ang gobyerno mo. Kahit sumumpa sila sa constitution, OK lang ‘yun. May karapatan silang magnakaw. It’s for their personal growth. Wala kang karapatan sa edukasyon kahit na mas corollary yun ng life kesa corruption.
May karapatan kang mag-aral sa pamantasang hindi mo kayang bayaran. May karapatan kang huminga sa outer space nang walang suit! May karapatan kang… you get the point.
Ang sarap ng feeling na sa kakarampot kong suweldo kada-buwan, hindi bumababa sa libo ang buwis ko. Ang natira, papatungan pa ng SM, Nawasa, etc. ng daang-pisong buwis nila. They have the right to keep their earnings – kahit tayo ang nagbabayad ng buwis nila. Pinaghirapan nilang i-calculate yun ng buong araw!
JEJEJE.
Libertarian:
Someone said this: “Kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon? eh ano? para lang sa may pera? ”
Who said this? I don’t think the blogger said this coz I read his blogs. I’m an avid reader, fyi.
>>>>> Avid reader ka pala… kaya mo nasabi na: EDUCATION IS A COMMODITY.
So kung wala kang pera, wala kang “pambili” ng edukasyon. Eh di tama yung “someone” na yun… kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon… eh ano? COMMODITY? para lang sa may pera?
at FYI! Hindi kami pumupila sa DSWD para humingi ng financial assistance pang-tuition. lolz
@Libertarian
Read the constitution, not this blog. 🙂
Hindi mo ba nababatid na sinasalungat ng may-akda ang nilalaman ng Saligang Batas natin kasama na diyan ang Universal Declaration of Human Rights patungkol sa edukasyon. Sa madaling salita, naniniwala ang may-akda na dapat alisin sa Konstitusyon ang mga probisyong nagsasabi na karapatan ang edukasyon dahil hindi ito nararapat na tawaging karapatan.
O’nga. Treason yun. Sinong abogado dito? Paki-try nga. 🙂
non sequitur
Isa kang malaking halimbawa ng mga bobo na gumagala sa UP
to congratulations up:
capisco.and in case it’s not obvious to you, we UP students studiamo molto.how do you think we passed UPCAT???
and also by studying our history and law, we have learned that this effin government is not doing its responsibilities to the filipino citizens–filipino students included.
you call us stupid and all, ngunit yun ay dahil hindi ka lang sanay sa paraan namin ng paggamit ng katalinuhan. sa pagkapit namin ng aming mga natututunan. application. reaction. hindi yung nagmumukmok sa study desk memorizing quotations by some philosophers o ng mga petsa kaya ng mga nakaraang rebolusyon o digmaan. tinitingnan namin kung ano ang pinaglalaban ng mga taong ito.
isa pang bagay, hindi nag iimpose ang mga profs dito ng dapat at hindi namin dapat paniwalaan. hindi ka nag aaral dito kaya wag kang magmagaling tungkol sa kung anung itinuturo sa amin.
to froivinber :
alam mo na iinlove nako sayo eh.seryoso.akalain mong mas matalino ka pa sa lahat ng myembro ng UN at mga gumawa ng constitution? ikaw na talaga.akala ko noon pangarap ka lang.nag eexist pala ang mga ganyan katainong nilalang. i love you.
TAMAAA! :))
Kawawa naman ng mga kritiko ng blog post na ito. Wala kayong arguments, puro lang kayo nagsisilbi sa emosyonal na salita bilang selling points (hindi kasi sila maituturing na arguments). Eh, ganun naman talaga ang mga taong madaling maibenta sa bulok na sistemang tinatawag ng leftists na demokrasya. Hindi ba kayo tinuturuan ng mga leftist professors nyo ng logic?
Froilan, salamat sa pagsimula nitong uncensored debate na sa ngayong mga panahon, maari na lamang makikita sa internet. Wala nang lively uncensored intellectual debate sa mga universities ngayon dahil sa paglalaganap ng leftism.
Wala na akong ibang masasabi, panalo si Froilan, without a shadow of a doubt.
@Abolish the University of the Philippines
Marami ngang arguments, mali-mali at balu-baluktot naman. Okay! Keep it up!
after looking at the writer’s previous posts,
nako mga sir at mam. pasttime talaga nitong si mr.bersamina mang good time ng iba’t ibang paaralan. hayaan nyo nalang siya. masyado kasi atang mataas ang kinalalagyan nitong si ser, di na maabot.
ser, since mukhang napaka bright mo based sa mga nababasa ko eh mukhang qualified ka na gumawa ng sarili mong bansa (at dun ka narin tumira). di kasi grounded sa current realities ng pilipinas ang mga theory mo eh, they are soooo out of this country or world if you may. (though i have to say, theyre good.)
ay crap. INDIVIDUALIST ka nga pala.
di sayo bagay maging parte ng isang bansa.
oh well. good day.
yes……that’s what Individualists are afraid with this collectivism….
Individuals have no right…they can be easily be disposed off…if the “society” deems it so……
like uhhmmmmm Nazi Germany or Stalin’s Soviet Union….
While we Individualists believe all individuals have Rights……and no one…not even God or the “Society” can trample on that….
palibhasa hindi UP
tinuruan naman kami.. eh kayo?
TINATANONG PA BA? :)))
Who said anything about Marx? I have never been a fan of Rand’s stuff as she’s a real biatch. However, you sir, are an example of a misguided objectivist. They find pleasure in viciously attacking the integrity and character of whomever disagree with their opinions. Why, Ayn Rand herself wasn’t able to properly apply objectivism. She sounded like you, actually, which probably delights you. This is the reason why objectivism is not that popular. Kaya di ako bilib sa mga arguments ng mga followers ni Rand. Usually loud-mouths sila at nagmamagaling.
What’s so good thing about UP? Liberalism? Protests? Dilapidated classrooms? Leftist professors? Why? What so good thing about your schools, which is now the biggest threat to this country and the freedom of its people?
wow UP ka para malaman mo?
@libertarian, 3 words NATIONALISM, EXCELLENCE, COMPASSION
if you’ve never seen a up test other than the upcat, then dont ask why.
UP students undergo a rigorous academic training and still divulge their time to think about their nation, and more importantly, it’s people. We don’t just excel for the sake of excelling, we excel for the sake of the nation. We are not marxists, we believe in democracy, EQUALITY!
Never have I heard a prof say that you do this and that, despite of that, many join the marches, many believe in the fight, not because we are told to, we choose to because we feel that it is right.
We are the best from the least. You will never understand unless you’ve seen what is within.
What’s so good about UP is that it’s non-sectarian and no one can force us, the students, to believe anything. We do not just blindly believe what our “leftist” professors say, or what the government, the church or even the activists say. That is what we mean when we say that we UPans are critical.
boss mo taga UP
1. The right to Life
2. The right to liberty
3. The right to property
4. The right of pursuit of happiness.
Tama po ba?
Sorry at hamak lang po akong tga-UP na freshie. Inde po ako kasing talino mo. puedi mo bang gamitin ang kaalaman mo sa tanong na ito.
How can a Filipino who makes less than 5% of a businessman’s income for 10x the work be able to feed his family and himself? the right to life you say?
Diba kailangan ng pagkain, tubig at pangangalaga sa kalusugan para mabuhay?
The right to liberty you say? how can he be truly be free if he does not understand what freedom is?
The right to property? WTF! no comment, fill in the blanks na lang bkit gnun reaction ko.
The right of the pursuit of happiness? How can a person pursue happiness if he cannot even like without enslaving himself to work, without putting his family before himself, and no matter how hungry he becomes, still not feed himself?
You envision an ideal society, but that is not the Philippines. That is why the reds take to the streets.
All you see are banners and all you hear are shouts, you do not acknowledge that these are people. They’ve suffered and struggled to no avail. how dare you look down from your chair and make those suppositions. I challenge you leave your belongings, leave your riches, live amongst the poor, the deprived, feel their warmth, their kindness in light of all the evil.
Yes, education is not a right. It’s a privilege… especially state-subsidized education, which to my dismay, a lot of my fellow UPans waste. If it’s a right, e di sana wala na lang UPCAT. Kahit sino na lang na may gusto pwede.
Education in UP is a privilege of UPCAT passers; it’s the privilege of those who work hard to be academically excellent. What UP administrators have done wrong is to let education be the privilege of those passers who can pay the increased tuition. Education in UP is a commodity; it’s just that it should be paid for not by money but by what’s inside your head.
I still believe though that it’s unfair for those financially able to not help the ailing university (especially when after they graduate, they go work abroad or for multi-national companies). The university cannot depend on the government alone when we all know the government is a pile of shit.
It’s logical that most UPCAT passers families have deep pockets because the good high school education, or review, that enabled them to pass the UPCAT is generally expensive. Well-off students should aid the university to not only improve equipments and raise employees’ wages, but also to aid financially needy students in return. STFAP should have been the thing that made sure of this, but no, STFAP is fucked up. STFAP is the problem not TOFI.
there is a problem in the system itself, thats what these other people do not understand
Oo nga. Parang drugs lang. Dependent na kasi sila masyado sa sistema kaya ayan, lahat sila, pati nagsulat ng blog entry na to, pinagtatanggol ang isang bagay na bulok. Kung ganun lang din naman, dapat nga lang na matakot sila sa UP. It’s always easier to fear change in the system than to actually be the cause of it (or at least try to be).
Ang sabi ni Paul : “What’s so good about UP is that it’s non-sectarian and no one can force us, the students, to believe anything. We do not just blindly believe what our “leftist” professors say, or what the government, the church or even the activists say. That is what we mean when we say that we UPans are critical.”
Sige, tatanungin kita. Anong magkaiba sa mga ideya ng student body nyo? Kahit na hindi lahat sa inyo ay die-hard marxists mga leftists pa rin kayo lahat. You say you are not forced to believe in anything but the parameters of your curriculum particularly in the social sciences have marxist assumptions at its core. If the right questions are not even asked, the right answers do not matter anymore. Oo nga, meron kayong intellectual freedom but its all within the sphere of some predesignated leftist ideology. For example, you might debate about how to bring about change in the country but its always under the implicit assumption that the state should do it. All social problems can be solved by creating a new government bureaucracy is your fundamental belief, one so ingrained that you don’t even talk about it anymore. You ask how can the government provide health care?; you do not ask whether or not the provision of health care is the government’s business at all. Same can be said with concepts of common good, of equality, of social justice, of proletarianism, of democracy. Real intellectual freedom is when you are allowed to argue fundamentals, not technicalities.
At the risk of you saying I dwell on “technicalities”, I say that your argument commits two fallacies which therefore makes it invalid. Pero sige, I’ll humor myself. IF you substantiate your claims in any manner such as identifying yourself as someone who have had a hand at the creation of the UP curriculum, especially that of the social sciences, or as someone who studied in UP (not necessarily graduated but at least stayed for two years) and that is how you see your professors and how you have been taught, then I won’t even have to answer your initial question, I’ll concede and start questioning my UP education. Maybe you are right and I may just be another brainwashed clog in the leftist machinery.
OTHERWISE, I have to say to that the ideologies in UP vary too much to enumerate and that last time I checked, I still won’t join the rebels in the mountains, not even the activists, because I believe what they’re doing is a waste of time.
You must also know that most students in UP Baguio protests are in it for the experience; they are mostly freshmen who just want to check off “Join a rally” in their “What to do when I’m UP” checklist. So take a chill-pill. We UPans may once in our lives be an instrument for leftist agendas but all in all, we mostly end up as happy (or not but is too jaded to do anything about it) capitalism beneficiaries in government agencies, multi-national companies and conglomerates.
Let me begin by saying something about myself.
Isa akong mag-aaral at taxpayer at the same time.
Most of the things written here prove their points and so as the thoughts of those who wrote them.
Hindi mali na tumayo tayo at ipaglaban ang ating mga karapatan
FREEDOM diba?
kaya hindi rin mali na paniwalaan ang gusto nating paniwalaan
PERO —HINDI TAMA NA SA PAKIKIPAGLABAN NATIN PARA SA IKABUBUTI NG SAMBAYANAN EH ISASABAY NATIN ANG PAGSISIRAAN AT PALITAN NG MAANGHANG NA SALITA.
Anong pinapatunayan nating mga kabataan sa ganitong klaseng talakayan.
IISA LAMANG, na lahat tayo ay KELANGAN PA NG MASINSINANG PAGAARAL.
RESPETO sa isat-isa yun ang kelangan nating matutunan.
yun din ang magiging ugat ng tunay na malayang sambayanan.
kaya mga kapatid mag-ingat tayo sa mga salitang binibitawan.
wag nating tawaging bobo ang isat-isa o tanga.
kasi satin din babalik lahat yun.
Ok, you say that education is not a right. So dapat ang lahat ng schools private. Eh di ang mga mamayaman na lang ang may kakayahan makaaral dahil mahal na ang tuition. Eh di ang mga mahihirap magiging bobo dahil hindi makaaral sa taas ng tuition. The elite will rise to power because they have the knowledge. Tapos sila na ang magdidikta ng bansang ito. Eh di ba hahantung yun sa socialism.
Wow, lumalabas na you just contradicted yourself. You hate socialism, right? Pero eto ang pinapalabas mo.
Ang mga nagrarally ay may sense ang pinaglalaban nila. Hindi naman nila sinisigaw na maging libre ang edukasyon. Sinisigaw nila na maging accessible ito sa lahat kahit mahirap.
Kawawa ka naman, MANHID KA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP. Tapos ONE-SIDED PA.
You just lost your honor, objectivity, and integrity for being biased and numb.
Try mo naman magtanong sa mga tanong tinataman mo, sa mga Filipino philosophers, o kaya sa mga ordinaryong Pilipino bago ka magpost para malaman at sana maintindihan mo ang damdamin nila.
Oops, individualist ka pa of the negative type.
“The elite will rise to power because they have the knowledge. Tapos sila na ang magdidikta ng bansang ito. Eh di ba hahantung yun sa socialism.”
Lolz. This is priceless!
“Ang mga nagrarally ay may sense ang pinaglalaban nila. Hindi naman nila sinisigaw na maging libre ang edukasyon. Sinisigaw nila na maging accessible ito sa lahat kahit mahirap.”
It’s hard to find ignorance like this anywhere else other than the Philippines 😀
“MANHID KA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP”
Ewan ko lang kung applicable ito kay Froilan, hindi naman ako Objectivist eh. I just want to say that those who espouse a capitalist ideology, whether Objectivist or not, are not ‘manhid sa mga mahihirap’. It is oftentimes the opposite, they are the most knowledgeable about the plight of the poor and WHY they are poor in the first place. It is the leftists who are horribly ignorant in economics and propose ad hoc solutions to poverty. Further, I notice that leftists claim to love the poor yet never give their own money, they just want to steal from the rich people and redistribute it to the poor. Indeed, this is one of the main reasons I was converted to pure capitalist position. Leftists are hypocrites, individualist capitalism is the only morally consistent social philosophy.
to saluk: your point being? ang haba tsong.tinamad ako magbasa.pasensya na, may sinasabay din kasi akong papers.
to liverspread: what’s so good about UP? well it’s students who try hard to understand–no matter how impossible it may seem–apathetic people like you and help you become more human to the millions of poor citizens of this country.
To answer your question, Anti-public indoctrination , yes we do question whether or not our beliefs are true or not. We accept contradiction rather than do away with it. It is through contradiction that we are able to define our set of beliefs rather than to just accept the shit that those powerful in society shoves down our throats. You’re talking about expanding bureaucracy in the Philippines? Since when? For the past few decades, there have been expansive moves towards privatization. Most previously owned government companies which were used to regulate prices in oil, water, electricity, etc were sold off which now explains the uncontrollable price fluctuations in most basic services. It is true that we receive better education as compared to other public schools (even better than private schools), but that in itself is the case. It is true that 90% of public schools they are all a mess, that is why we are asking for higher state subsidy, for accessible education for ALL. It is this very truth, that we have horrible public education, that we ask for fair funding from our government.
You state that:
‘The reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.’
This is the problem itself, the government is profit oriented, not for the country but for themselves, they benefit from public office. Government is the largest spender in any economy, and politicians protect their businesses and the businesses of their cohorts and masters through the positions they hold. Otherwise, they would not bother running for office. Further, these are not arbitrary whims, these are structured manipulations of a stagnant economy to benefit the powerful minority.
And lastly, you have to qualify what you mean by the common good? The whole bit is stupid to say the least because it has nothing to do with the issue, It is exactly my point that the government is corrupt, to point it out only supports my argument more. Government acts to serve the powerful minority and to satisfy their needs, they do this under the guise of the common good, this is a basic tactical move for any political elite. Further, assuming that your argument is valid, how does providing food for everyone, or providing fair access to medicine and education lead to the death of multitudes of people? Do people have to die for everyone to be able to have a good quality of life?
@Pepe Smith
What you think is “privatization” is actually cronyism by the government. Maynilad has been ‘privatized’ in the late 1990s yet it has retained the government grant that gives it monopoly power. What the government should do to really privatize is to remove the monopoly grant and divide the equity of the government-controlled firm and distribute it to workers. There has been no real privatization in the Philippines.
If you think government has retracted then I suggest you look at the Department of Budget and Management website. Government budgets never cease to enlarge. But you might say “Ah, but the problem is corruption and if we remove corruption then services will be properly delivered”. No, what Filipinos tragically fail to understand is that government and ‘corruption’ are inseparable. It is precisely because there is a large bureaucracy that corruption exists. Eliminate the bureaucracy and you eliminate the corruption. Trying to reform government and make it more ‘democratic’ is like chasing a pink unicorn. Also, who said that society needs central management in the first place? You need to stop thinking that government is corrupt so therefore we should change it. Instead, you should think that government is fundamentally corrupt and socially retarding so how can I help in retracting its power.
Lastly, there is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not moral, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.
You need to learn economics, and I mean real economics instead of ‘social physics’.
I strongly recommend this economics and social philosophy reading list:
http://jim.com/econ/
The easiest and surest way to understand economics
Click to access The_Law.pdf
No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat
http://jim.com/hayek.htm
What you need to learn about political economy
http://mises.org/
Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage! 😀
http://www.lewrockwell.com/
Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism
sources from websites are just unprofessional. >.<
DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR MIND THAT NOT JUST THE TAXPAYERS (WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE ENSLAVED BY THE PUBLIC/STATE Us ‘FASCIST’ REDS) ARE ENSLAVED BY THE VERY SYSTEM THEY ARE WORKING ON? DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR MIND THAT TAXATION IS A MEANS TO GET THE FUNDS THAT THE SOCIETY NEEDS AND NOT WANT? DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR NARROW MIND THAT IT IS NOT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE TO BE BLAMED BY THE ‘ENSLAVEMENT’ OF PEOPLE IN THIS NEVER ENDING CYCLE OF TAXPAYING (YET NO CLEAR RESULTS ARE EXECUTED) BUT THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS IN THE GOVERNMENT?
CLEARLY, THE ANSWER IS NO. BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BUSY BEING ABSORBED BY YOUR SELFISH LOOK AT THE PRIVILEGES YOU ARE ENJOYING. CLEARLY, NO. BECAUSE, PROBABLY YOU DON’T SEE THAT CORRUPTION IS A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COUNTRY TO BE DEALT WITH, DISMISSING THAT SINGLE FACT AS A MISNOMER. PROBABLY, NO… BECAUSE YOU SPEAK WITHOUT PROPERLY SCRUTINIZING. AND PROBABLY NO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD DO ANYTHING, EVEN TWEAK FACTS AND FIGURES JUST SO YOU CAN COUNTER THE REDS, JUST FOR THE SOLE REASON THEY ARE LEFTIST.
CLEARLY, SIR… YOUR STUPORS WON’T WORK. INFILTRATE THE UP COMMUNITY, RECRUIT YOUR HEARTS OUT BUT THE TRUTH REMAINS THAT THIS MISLEADING IDEA CANNOT ERASE THE SINCERITY IN THESE MASS ACTIONS. THE EMPATHY PLACED IN THE HEARTS OF MY BRETHREN UPIANS ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE SCOPE YOUR MIND WILL EVER WANDER.
PLEASE DON’T PUT YOUR FOOT WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, BECAUSE CLEARLY, YOUR UBERLY LONG SHENANIGAN IS NOTHING BUT A CLUTTER OF WELL-CONSTRUCTED NONSENSE.
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A RESULT OF THE MAINSTREAM CULTURE, THOSE WHO THRIVE AT BELIEVING THAT AN EDUCATION – “AN EDGE AMONG THE POOR AND CAN’T AFFORDS” ARE TO BE PLACED NOT WITH THE MASSES, BUT ON THE HIGH PEDESTAL OF GLORY AND HONOR, WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YOU, NOT ALL SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENTS AS YOU AND STARTING IN UPB AS A SPAWNING GROUND FOR PROTEGES OF YOUR MINDSET, WILL DO NOTHING BUT STRENGTHEN THE SOLIDARITY AMONG THE EXISTING LEFTISTS, SYMPATHIZERS AND COMMON PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
WHOEVER YOU ARE. READ. AND LEARN. THE RIGHT WAY. I DON’T CARE WHO YOU QUOTE AND WHERE YOU QUOTED IT. JUST LEARN. AND RE-LEARN, THEN WRITE AS YOU TALK.
AMEN!
*right fist raised*
You know what, Here’s my take on all of this and I’m from U.P. Well. From a realistic perspective, Dapat sineparate nyo yun Education sa Formal Schooling. Also I find a hint of extreme individualism in the article. I also Read the comments of some people. Saying that Education is not a luxury. Well If …we are true to our meaning of education, it is not a luxury. It can happen anywhere. Well I have alot more to say about this article but here’s one thing that I need to say: We must find a balance. Let’s use our free will to help others. Don’t be so extreme that, “it’s only me, me me (libertarian american capitalist conservative rhetoric). or on the other hand, don’t force people to pay for your stuff.(nanny state, socialist, freeloader crap) if you see the common trend, these extremes are actually based on laziness and selfishness. If we choose to help the collective, it’s because of individual will. and that would be an ideal. just don’t be a freeloader. Be productive, and self-sufficient and charitable and the world may become a better place. But we all need to be educated. dito na ako nag didisagree kay froi. iniisip nya kasi lahat ng tao may pera. how about those without money? If you want froi, ito na lang, gusto mo ba yun student loan system ng U.S? e kasi pang U.S yun mga theories mo. Please try to be more in touch with reality, also to the Leftists, mag-aral muna kayo ng mabuti, para di naman masayang yun pera ng magulang nyo at ng mga taxpayer. ok? kasi kung babagsak lang kayo o mag ddrop, then parang nagkokontribute rin kayo sa problema natin sa “FORMAL” schooling. Education can happen anywhere. Ang kailangan, the Gov’t must promote alternative methods in education, di lang puro classroom. Si Thomas Edison nga college dropout, pero nakaimbento ng maraming bagay. Just putting things in perspective. I’m not a fencesitter. This is a multi dimensional topic. ok? froi and the leftists are out of touch with reality.
Student loan never worked in the US and it will never work here. This study-now-pay-later scheme is dangerous to both the student debtors and the government, most especially the taxpayers. A lot of commenters have been saying “manhid ako” or I don’t know what some or most UP students are going through since I’m not from UP. What they fail to understand is that the current system is what is making us more and more impoverished. It is the policies of the do-gooders, the liberals, and the altruists that are sending us to collective destruction.
Student loan is a liberal policy in the US and it never worked. I’m an absolutist. What works in one economic setting will work in another economic setting. I believe in absolute truth (epistemological absolutism) and in absolute morality (ethical absolutism). So I disagree with that so ridiculous idea that we cannot absorb or adopt some good things that work in another country because we have different set of traditions, culture, religion, etc.
I have addressed what will happen to poor people in this blog https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/what-about-the-poor-who-cant-pay-for-their-education/. There are a lot of private scholarship grants. Like one commenter said, if you want to study for free, you must work for it by maintaining a good academic standing. That’s just one of the ways for a student who can’t afford to pay for his tuition to finish college. I know a lot of people who work hard only to finish their studies. They never relied on public subsidies or grants.
Look at what happened to Gloria’s Safe4SR, a student loan program. Did any student who benefited from the loan pay? No one, I believe. So I don’t think student loan is practical. It won’t work.
As to poverty, you and most commenters here missed the point. There are a lot of sources of poverty, and some of them are graft and corruption, government mismanagement, etc. But there’s ONE GREAT SOURCE OF POVERTY: the failure of the people to think and their credulity. We have people who ask too many demands from the government. What did their public demands lead this country to? More foreign debts! More taxes! Evat! Inflation! More government regulation of the market.
Why is it that we have worsening level of poverty in the Philippines? Others say it’s because of corruption, mishandling of government affairs, Filipino professionals leaving the country, etc.
But in reality, there’s only ONE REASON why we’re poor: BIG GOVERNMENT that disregards free-market capitalism.
If our government refrained from being too intrusive into the market- if the government maintained a limited role, that is, the protection of individual rights- if the government only guaranteed economic freedom- if the government lowered taxes, cut subsidies, and repealed intrusive market policies- there would be more investments in the country, thus more jobs for all its citizens.
And, if the government privatized all public schools, colleges, and universities, there would be real competition among private SUCs, which would compel these private players to lower the amount of their tuition fees, to upgrade school facilities, improve research, enhance the quality of instruction, offer more scholarship grants to poor yet deserving students, etc. This is the only way poor people could obtain education.
Hello, when lefties speak of the “right to education,” they refer to a state-subsidized formal educational system. They think that people are entitled to such type of learning system. Implicitly, they believe that it is only through such a system will people succeed in life.
I agree with your point that education can take place outside the classroom. I’m sure that’s what you’ve learned in your Alternative Learning Systems class.
You may want to check this article. It’s relevant to the points you made.
Misunderstanding Higher Education by Gary North
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north524.html
“…when lefties speak of the “right to education,” they refer to a state-subsidized formal educational system.”
Yes, and most importantly, they speak of slavery and legalized theft by the government. Yet they don’t see a state of slavery or institutionalized theft when it is done by the government in the name of the poor or of common good. They only see the good ends. This is, in reality, a Machiavellian mentality. For them, the end justifies the means.
cgro may tama ang naggwa ng blog na e2 bakt kailangan na idaan sa protesta ng mga UPian ang mga hnanaing nla db mas ok kung mapagusapan ng mabuti…sila nga ang iskolar ng byan pero d ba nla iniisip ang mga oras nanwawala sa gngawa nla imbes na andun sila sa mga classrom nla na nagaaral…mnsan wla na din sila sa ayos e…sayang lng ag pera ng bayan sa pagpparl sa knla kung laging dnadaan sa protesta hnd ba nla inisp na sumashod ang mga prof nla kaht wla sila..magisp din nman kau…kailangan ng bansa ntn magtulongan…
Manong, di ka taga-UP noh? Ang kitid kasi nang pananaw mo sa protesta ng mga mag-aaral sa UP. Pero ang maganda eh nagtatanong ka… Bakit kelangan idaan sa protesta? Bakit di na lang pag-usapan ka’mo?
Dahil, di kami pinakikingan ng admin. Dahil ilang beses nang ni-lobby sa admin ang aming mga mga hinaing ngunit sila’y nabubulag-bulagan, nagbibingi-bingihan. Dahil hanggang ngayon wala silang aksyong ginagawa. Dahil mas nakikinig sila sa dikta ng mga kurakot na gov’t officials at hindi sa mga iskolars ng bayan. DAHIL KAILANGAN!!
Taga-UP kami. May mga prinsipyo’t paninindigan. Alam namin ang aming mga responsibilidad. Isa dun ang pag protekta sa Unibersidad. Ang pag protesta ay isang paraan para labanan ang mga plano ng admin na hindi maka-masa gaya nang pagtaas ng tuition and other fess. Ang pag protesta ang isang paraan upang ipaalam sa taong bayan at sa ibang iskolars ng bayan na may mga isyu at ito’y dapat pag-aral at labanan.
Nasa ayos kami, mga tulad nyo ang hindi.
Hindi nga po siguro kailangan ng protesta. Totoo yun. Pero hindi lang yun kailangan kung yung representative namin ay binibigyan man lang ng pagkakataon magsalita o mag-attend man lang sa meeting ng UP Board of Regents. Student Regent nga po e, so dapat kasama siya dun. Kung hindi pinapayagan makilahok ang tanging representative namin, kaya mo bang magbigay ng ibang paraan para mapakinggan kami?
Kahit sa mga dialogue at sulat, hindi pinapakinggan. May iba pa bang paraan? Sige lang, magbigay po kayo.:)
O siya, sa mga nagdedemand na education is a right and should be free, siguraduhin nyo lang na nagko-contribute kayo ng makabuluhang content sa wikiversity.org at iba pang libreng online resources, ha.
It’s clear that these folks do not really understand what EDUCATION is. So sad and disappointing.
*faints*
ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?
ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?
@Phil: Siguro po bago ka magbigay ng kumento tungkol sa sinasabi niyong wag idaan sa protesta ang mga hinaing etc., ay dapat na lubusan nyo munang maintindihan ang konteksto na ginagawalaan ng mga mag-aaral ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Salungat sa inyong nabanggit, hindi protesta lamang ang aming ginagawa. Mayroon rin kaming mga dialogue sa admin, naglalabas ng statement ang mga organisasyon at naghahain ng mga alternatibong solusyon ukol sa mga bagay-bagay na kailangang bigyang pansin. Huwag mo sana kaming sabihan ng “mag-isip naman kayo”, dahil kaya nga mayroong mga protesta dahil nag-iisip kami. May kapasidad kaming magsuri sa kalagayan ng edukasyon ngayon, kaya nga namin nagagawang dumaing dahil nakikita namin ang kakulangan. Masama bang humingi ng karagdagang budget? Ang UP ay isa sa mga unibersidad na tinitingala ng mga tao, pero kung alam niyo lang ang kalagayan ng mga pasilidad, mga upuan, pati na ang napakaliit na sahod ng aming mga guro na siguradong kulang pa sa pang gasolina nila, marahil ay maintindihan mo kami. Phi, tignan mo muna ang konkreto at obhetibong kundisyon bago ka magkumento. Alamin mo muna ng lubusan kung saan mo hinuhugot ang mga katwiran mo. Yun lang 🙂
alam mo, parang frustrated ka lang or rather insecure kasi hindi ka taga-UP eh. or maybe masyadong kulang ka lang sa pansin! do you even know what you are talking about? do you even understand what we’ve been through?! alam mo ba kung paano maging isang Iskolar ng Bayan?
sabihin mo na kasi na jealous ka lang sa’min. mag-aral ka kaya sa UP. try mo dito sa UPV!
kung hindi mo pa nage-gets ‘ung mga explanations sa previous comments, nagpapatunay lang yan kung gaano ka ka-bobo.
wala namang sense ung nira-rant mo eh. at syanga pala, check mo ung grammar mo, nakakahiya eh.
What I know is that you’re a PARASITE! Why not reveal your true identity, parasitical troll? Yeah, right, it’s because you have an undeveloped brain and that you can’t argue properly.
Name-calling is never a good argument. It only shows you’ve run out of them. Argue your points properly para ‘di ka magmukang mangmang sa sarili mong blog. Ini-enjoy ko pa naman sana.
Undeveloped brain? Sinong idol si Rand? Diba ikaw? Sus, kung meron man ditong brain na undeveloped, sayo yun! May sarili kang realidad, doon ka tumira! Doon ka mag blog!
Can’t argue properly? Nabasa mo ba blog mo? WALA KANG POINT! Nakita mo ba mga reply mo sa threads? WALA DING POINT!! Ikaw ang di marunong mag-argue!
Totoo naman ah, di ka taga-UP. Bitter ka lang. Di kami natatakot i-reveal ang sarili namin. punta ka UPV, haharapin ka namin!! Di ka namin aatrasan!
Wahahaha! @ Ami, you’ve proven that you have an under-developed brain. Parang galing ka sa mental, honestly lol! Ano bang pinagmamayabang mo, na taga-UP ka, eh balu-baluktot ang mga arguments niyo. Kayo-kayo lang naga-agree sa mga sinasabi niyo. You can’t even refute the points made by the blogger. You don’t even understand the true, genuine concept of rights. Hindi mo ba naiintindihan kung bakit hindi right ang education? Kasi it’s simply a commodity… Gets mo, BOPOLS?
Ang sa akin lang, lahat ng naga-ask ng government subsidy and who are in favor of it are PARASITES. Yun lang yun. Misan, we have to call things their proper name. Asking government grants is just one of the best example of parasitical acts.
may brain ka ba?
you’re a virus. 🙂
This my friend is a comment of an immature thinker. 🙂
Woopsie – you’re not arguing. You’re whining, man. 🙂 How so, parasite? Endogenous o obligate intracellular? Like the protozoan kind? Malaria? Riding the coattails of your fame? C’mon, this blog is a good idea – gets people talking more about a real issue – but it’s not THAT big a deal.
You should also look into moderating this if you’re finding the comments personally offensive. Like, people are trampling on your right to blow, right? Well, that’s democracy for ya. It’s not easy, but it’s as good as it gets.
@ proudtobeUP. Siguro sinusuka ka na sa UP lol! Ganyan ba ang mga taga-UP, mga trash-talkers na walang laman ang utak at hindi marunong mag-argue ng maayos? I’d like to see your argument and how you edit the blogs lol!
bakit may utak ka ba? haha ROFL!
All these exchange of farts has made me to recall F. A. Hayek’s Nobel Prize Lecture “The Pretense of Knowledge.”
@Mises, it shudders me that these so-called intelligent people cannot understand the truth. Perhaps, a typical street child could easily grasp what we’re saying compared with these idiots, don’t you think?
funny because there are these other people that keep on replying to others’ comments, seemingly defending his points to the death. i understand that the author of this, this, um… thing, thinks that he has said enough, thus he need not answer the comments of those who comment against his opinion. honestly, i enjoyed reading the threads more than this arrogant blog post. i do not wish to delve in and repeat most of the flaws mentioned by past commenters, but i just wish to express that this writer is very misguided and i find it laughable that he knows so many english words and seems to boast of how much he has read when in fact, as most people have observed, he has forgotten the philippine constitution itself, which blatantly says that education is a right.
The author of the blog has rejected The 1987 Constitution’s provision that “Education is a right.” No matter how many legal documents that say that, education cannot be a right for reasons that have been uttered ad infinitum.
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July 26, 2010 5:17 pm
Hoy Francis! Wag kang mag generalize! Hindi lahat ng aktibista iresponsable pagdating sa pag-aaral nila. Marami ang achievers at mga Laude pa. Bago ka mag husga mag imbistiga ka muna.
Oo nga, may mga aktibistang hindi nakakapagtapos ng pag-aaral pero majority dun hindi dahil sa delinquency. Marami sa kanila nanggaling sa mahirap na pamilya at kahit pa noong 200-300/unit pa lang tuition di na nila kaya. Imaginin mo, nung panahong yun marami na ang hindi nakapag tapos nang dahil sa krisis. Mas na ngayon nang dahil sa TOFI.
Kaya patuloy ang protesta! Di kasi kami makasarili! Di tulad mo! Ikaw ang puro jibberjabber!!
-pakipaliwanag sakin na sa limang taong pagaaral ko sa isang state-u, lahat and i mean lahat ng naging kaklase.. mas pinipili nilang magrally at magprotesta kesa tapusin ang exam o gumawa ng project, hindi dahil wala silang pangtuition, kadalasan nga, nasa loob pa ng klase eh, lalabas para magrally.. at ako ay nagsasalita ng ayon sa aking nakita, personal experience at nasaksihan
kung madadagdag ko lang, laki ako sa hirap na walang pangbayad ng tuition fee, umabot ako sa punto na nagbabasag kami ng alkansya para makapsok sa skwela.. ngunit (ako lang ito) hindi ko piniling magrally sa kalye at ipagsigawan na dapat ganito ang ganyan at ganyan ang ganito.. naghanap ako ng trabaho na pwede ko isabay sa pagaaral ko kaya pasensya na kung hindi ko talga maintindihan kung bakit kelangan magrally kesa gumawa ng direktang paraan sa sarili para maibsan ang sinasabing problema.
🙂
Kasi hindi mo maabot isipin ang iba. Pag may TFI sa UP, usually next batch ang apektado. Hindi sinisingil ng new fees ang oldies para wag umangal. Pasalamat ka sa previous batches na na-hold sa 60, 200, 400, at 600 piso ang tuition. 90s pa lang kasi, may plano nang mag- 1k+ ang UP.
Pinaglaban ka nila. The least we can do is pay it forward. Isa pa, mas maigi nang ipinaglalaban ang karapatan kesa depensahan ang kabulukan.
@ Jenna.
Sabi mo: “he has forgotten the philippine constitution itself, which blatantly says that education is a right.”
Alam mo kung bakit, kasi mga BOBO ang mga framers ng constitution na KATULAD MO. Ganun lang kasimple yun.
salamat H 🙂
ang akin lang naman ay hindi ko maisip or bigyang katarungan na sa kalagitnaan ng klase at exam ay lalabas ako para magrally? namageend up sa pagbagsak nya sa klaseng un dahil lagi sya/silang ganun?
ok lang magprotesta/magrally.. walang mali dyan 🙂 pero di ba may tamang paraan at kadalasan ang lahat ng bagay, sa nasaksihan KO.. mas nakalalamang doon sa malabis at hindi balanseng pagaaral at pakikibaka, yan lang naman ang hindi ko maintindihan..
i hold no grudge against anyone, im glad im in here and continue to exchange thoughts and point of views.. malay ko, mali pala ko? walang masama umako ng pagkakamali 🙂
Thanks, too for sharing the sentiment.
P.S. Meron ding nakikisakay sa rally. Yung mga ‘di masyadong interested pero mas disinterested sa classes.
Either way, paki-criticize kasi kung activists talaga sila, dapat active din pati sa klase, unless the two are in discord and the contradiction favors a walkout as with greater importance (i.e. with permission, grades are covered, sasama ang prof, no point going to class if bukas susunugin na ang Univ, etc.) 🙂
H, sad to say but in my 5 years of staying in a state-u, its not what i witnessed, mas namulat ako sa mga klase ng “activist” na mas disinterested sa classes kaya mas pinipili ang rally at pagproprotesta.
to think of it, ako na nasa state-u, sa ganyan paraan ako namulat, paano pa ang mga hindi nagaaral sa state-u, baka kaya siguro ganyan sila umangal 🙂
para sa blog na to at sa mga nagcocomment. ang hinihingi ng mga estudyante ng mga state-u ay tamang alokasyon ng budget, may pera naman, ninanakaw at hindi lang napupunta sa tama, the students are just asking what should be theirs in first place, kesehodang right o hindi right ang pagaaral, maraming loop holes ang batas natin, one law can contradict the other at kanya kanyang guhit ng itlog nlng sa paginterpreta, rights or no rights, the students are just asking the right allocation of budget (6% of gdp, pakicorrect ako kung mali), plain and simple! kumbaga, nagtrabaho ka, may xmas bonus ka na 1000 pero 500 lang ang binigay.. ewan ko lang kung hindi ka umangal 🙂
hindi ba pwedeng compromise yan? hahaha parang e di isipin mong hindi rights, ang intindi namin rights yan.. either way, ibigay mo nlng ang tamang budget namin 😀 lol lam ko may mali sa sinabi pero nah 🙂
Tama ang sabi ni H. Sa peyups kasi madalas pag may mob either alternative class or excused. Sometimes pati prof sumasama. 🙂
is it just me or what?
palaging sinasabi ni ralph na PUP kuno sya…
false pretense ata yan tol…
kasi, di mo na kaylangan ipagsigawan na state U ka…
makikita dapat yan sa way ng pagsusulat mo…
di naman state U style ng sulat mo…
drop out kalang ata…
at para ka namang di nakasama ng rally EVER…
isa ka lang ploy ng BLOGGER na to para i-stir up ang argument…
TOOL of the TROLL ka lang so wag ka nang mag-kunwari…
call center agent ka lang tol if I know…
Nakakatawa talaga this blog is so Ayn Rand. LoLz.
@UP FREAKS: Alam mo kung bakit di ko gets na commodity ang education? DAHIL MALI ANG BLOGGER UKOL DITO!! Nabasa mo na ba ang konstitusyon ng Pilipinas? Nakasulat sa Article 14, Section 5, Paragraph 5 na: “The State shall assign the highest budgetary priority to Education…” Nakasulat naman sa Bill of Rights, Article 14, Section 1 na: “The State shall protect and promote the RIGHT of all citizens to quality education at all levels.”
Anong hindi mo na intindihan don?
Ibig sabihin sa ilalim ng Pilipinas KARAPATAN ang EDUKASYON!! Di commodity, di privilege and di isang negosyo!! Sabi din dito na dapat ang may pinkamataas na budget ay ang edukasyon. Sa totoong buhay, napabilang ang edukasyon sa bottom two.
Kaya nag proprotesta ang mga UP. Di sila naga-ask,DINEDEMANDA nila yun. Alam mo kung bakit dahil karapatan nila yun! Dahil yun ang tama!
Hindi ko pinagyayabang na galing akong UP. Pero pinagyayabang ko na aktibista ako sa UP. Atleast kami may pinaglalaban. Linalabanan namin ang kamali-an. Eh, ikaw? at ang blogger na to? puro sarili nyo lang ang iniisip nyo.
Hoy UPFREAKS!! Gets mo na or bobo much?
So what kung gustong sabihin ng Philippine Constitution na karapatan ang eduksyon? Alam na alam niyang hindi ito nararapat, kaya dapat alisin ito.
taga UP ka pero napakabobo mo!
Wala kang argument AT ALL. Sabi mo lang bobo ako dahil naniniwala ako sa konstitusyon. Back up your argument with facts… Bakit? Bakit ito dapat alisin? Bakit naniniwala ka sa kanya?
Sige nga, kasi ang bobo ko. Enlighten me.. 😀
Este.. Wala ka pa lang point… AT ALL. 🙂
P.S.
Ang tunay na bobo yung mga taong sunod-sunoran sa mga defunct philosophers gaya ni Rand. hehe.. 😀
Ikaw ang bobo dahil sinabi na nga ni Froi kung bakit hindi dapat paniwalaan ang sinasabi ng Saligang-batas, heto ka at nagbubulag-bulagan na waring hindi niya sinulat.
BOBO! Ganyan ba ang UP student? BOBO!
Isa kang malaking halimbawa ng artikulong nabanggit dito: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104976
kung magko-commnt ka lng din nmn, pwedeng siguraduhin mong may lamang yung comment mo?..
kung may bobo mn dito, IKAW yun!
di mo ba gets??..even our constitution recognizes the people’s right to education – to accessible education!..
please define to me what “slavery” is. kung ikaw ba ay taxpayer at ina-allocate ng gobyerno ng maayos ang buwis na binabayad mo, halimbawa sa edukasyon, health care etc. “slave” ka bang matatawag? kung ikaw ay isang taxpayer at ang buwis na binabayad mo ay binubulsa lang ng mga nasa posisyon, ano ang tawag sa’yo? hindi ka ba “slave” ng mga corrupt na opisyal na to? kung ikaw ay isang trabahador ng multinational company, ngunit walang sapat na benepisyo at sahod, ano ang tawag sayo? kung ikaw ay trabahador na nagbabayad ng buwis buwan-buwan ngunit hindi mo naman nalalaman o nararamdaman ang proyekto o pinaglala-anan ng buwis na binabayad mo, hndi ka ba alipin ng sistemang ito?
—ang punto naman kasi dito, proper allocation. hindi naman sinasabing taasan ang buwis na binabayaran. dahil kung ganun, ang masa din naman ang papasan ng mas mabugat na pasanin. to the author of “The Vinceton Post,” naaawa ka maxado sa mga taxpayers kasi parang gusto na sila alipinin ng mga UP students sa paghingi ng mas mataas ng budget. pero di mo man lang pala alam na sa bawat sigaw ng mga taga UP ng dagdag na budget sa edukasyon ay isinisigaw din nila ang pagtaas ng sahod ng mga trabahador, tunay na reporma sa lupa at dagdag na benepsiyo para sa iba’t ibang sektor. ibig sabihin (kung hindi niyo parin kuha), isinasama ng mga UP students at ng buong youth sector sa bawat panawagan nila ang kapakanan ang masa na siyang mayorya sa pagbabayad ng buwis. ang buwis na gusto nilang gamitin ng gobyerno para sa kapakanan nila at hindi para ibakasyon sa kung saan lupalop ng mundo, sa pagpanood ng boxing match ni pacquiao, sa pagbili ng bahay sa mamahaling subdibisyon sa amerika, sa pagbayad ng private armies, sa pagpapatayo ng mga mansyon at sa pagpaparetoke ng dibdib.
nananiwala kasi ang mga aktibistang ito sa “collectivism.” kasi kung “individualism” ang paiiralin nila, dun na papasok ang “slavery” na sinasabi mo. gagawing alipin ng mga estudyanteng ito ang mga taxpayers kung sarili lamang nila ang kanilang iisipin. pero ang kaso nga, hndi naman ganun ang ngyayari. pero naiintindihan ko naman kung bakit hindi mo alam ang mga bagay na yan (o sabihin na nating, hirap kang intindihin ang mga ito) di ka pa siguro nakadalo o nakakita ng isang multi-sectoral protest. (ang tanong, alam mo ba kung ano yun?).
p.s.
dun sa mga hindi nakakagets ng mga comments ng ibang estudyante ng UP dito, okay lang yan. naiintindihan ko kayo. pero alam niyo, sa UP kasi itinuturo din ung “read between the lines” or “understand the silences of the texts”. mahirap nga namang gawin un para sa ibang tao. :))
“Please define slavery…” Its dictionary definition is “the state of being a slave.” The “right to education does not merely legalize theft by the state, but institutionalize slavery as well, wherein the taxpayers- the productive ones, most especially- are forced at the point of gun to contribute to what is called the “common good” or the “greater good.”
There is no such thing as a ‘right to education’, since such a ‘right’ makes slaves of those who are physically forced to pay or teach for someone else’s so called right. For this reason alone public schooling should not be saved, or reformed, but it should be abolished — as it is a violation of individual (human) rights.
What the advocates of “free” education espouse is not leaving individuals free to pay for their own education, or free to pay for the education of another, or free to decide on the content of that education. Rather, they advocate the robbing of one man to pay the for the unearned benefit (in this case the “schooling”) of another. The proper name for such a program is not “free” education, but is legalized theft. This is what those who advocate “free” state supported education actually endorse.
The key issue here is whether one is forced to pay for education of oneself (or others) voluntarily of one’s own free-will — as with private education; or, if one is forced to pay for the education of oneself (or others) at the point of a gun (to see this gun appear, simply volunteer to refuse to take part in “voluntary” taxation).
Government is an agent of force; force and mind are opposites; to impose the will of public officials upon its citizens, is to render its citizens slaves. Contrary to the collectivist doctrines espoused throughout American colleges, the mind of a child — or an adult — does not belong to the state: each man is an end to himself. It is said that children learn by example, is there any doubt to what kind of example “public-free” schooling is teaching?
In reality- and THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING- public “free” education has achieved its goal perfectly — it has turned a potential free-thinking child that will fight for freedom, into a adult incapable of abstract reasoning, that demands to be enslaved by the state. In fact, public education has done such a good job at this, that most people cannot imagine a society where public education does not exist.
MOST RECOMMENDED LINK: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/freedom-in-education-versus-right-to-education/
napaka-individualistic naman po ng pananaw na yan. meron po kasi tayong teorya sa “social contract” na mas naisasapraktika ngayon sa mundo. diyan po pumapasok ang role ng gobyerno and at ng mga tao mismo. i assume nabasa niyo na po sila Hobbes, Locke at Rousseau. sila po ang magpapaliwanag ng iba’t ibang social contract theories. pero aliman sa tatlo, wala pong indibidualismo na nilalahad. basic readings lang po yan sila sa soc sci 2.
ika nga, dalawang bagay lang ang cgurado sa mundo. kamatayan at TAX. intindihin mo nlang ang social contract theories kung bakit nagbabayad ng buwis ang mga mamamayan ng isang bansa. at kung bakit hindi pwedeng ikasali sa kategorya ng enslavement ang pagbabayad ng buwis. at mas lalong hindi ito pagnanakaw. ang korupsyon ang pagnanakaw hindi ang pagkolekta ng buwis. :))
ang mga types and definition of rights po kasi na nilahad sa blog na ito ay maxadong general. ang dami na pong iba’t ibang karapatan sa mundo, iba-iba depende kung sang parte ka nito.
It is individualistic. It is self-interested. But I know it wouldn’t take a very short reply to know what I’m talking about. (Better check my blog on politics and ethics https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/on-ethics-and-politics/ and on self-interest https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/). Your social contract is purely about socialism. There is no such an entity as society. (Check my blog: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/theres-no-such-entity-as-society/).
Social contract is, in reality, collectivism. It rejects individualism. It means that we must serve others above our own. That our duty in our society is to serve others, which means everybody is a slave to everybody. Social contract has a very weak epistemology and its ethics is the morality of altruism, which I reject and consider evil. The only logical result of this social theory is either fascism or socialism, which are two forms of collectivism. Thus, this theory is against capitalism, which I support. It is very disappointing this theory is the basis of Noynoy’s leadership, which means he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I think the very reason for this is because of his philosophy.
“ika nga, dalawang bagay lang ang cgurado sa mundo. kamatayan at TAX. ” Because that what’s you professors, probably, and the intellectuals tell you. But that should not be a justification to ask more subsidies so that our taxes would be a big burden for us. I suggest the you read the right books. For novels, read Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged all by Ayn Rand. For economics, read Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson, and try to know more about Ludwig Von Mises. He’s got a lot of free books online. These guys would lead you to the truth.
nung pinag-aaral ka po ba ng mga magulang mo naitanong mo sa kanila kung bakit nila ito ginagawa? ginagawa ba nila ito dahil talagang gusto nilang gumastos sa pag-aaral mo o dahil alam nilang responsibilidad nilang pag-aralin ka bilang anak nila? kung ito ay dahil responsibilidad ng isang magulang na pag-aralin at mabigyan ng magandang buhay ang kanyang anak kaya pinag-aral ka ng mga magulang mo, ibig sabihin po ba nun inalipin mo din sila? hindi naman nila gusto eh, pero responsibilidad nila kaya dapat nilang gawin.:)
ganun din po yun sa gobyerno at edukasyon. sa mga nagbabayad ng buwis at Gobyerno. ito ay responsibidad. hindi mo man gusto pero alam kelangan mong gawin. pero malayo po ito sa sinasabi ninyong “enslavement.”
I’m a UP freshie. Let’s face it. Kung wala kang pera, may magagawa ka ba? Wala. You stop studying; you have no choice.
Sabagay. May punto din kami. Puno’t dulo lang naman ng argumento eh ilabas yung perang dapat nakalaan sa pormal na edukasyon, at bigyan ng bagong istruktura ang badyet para sa mga kagamitan sa pag-aaral.
But we’re asking to subsidize formal schooling, not education. Formal schooling isn’t a right. Hindi mo karapatang makapasok ng UP–pinaghirapan mo yung UPCAT. Nagreview-center ka man o nagpuyat sa bahay o dedma lang, ikaw pa rin ang nag-eksam at ikaw pa rin ang papasa.
Kung titingnan lang nang mabuti, masasabing technically privatized ang UP eh! Despite the fact that we pay 1/3 of our actual tuition fees if you’re in Bracket A, or none at all if you’re in Bracket E2, our university retains the right to select its students according to either academic performance or economic ability. The university is funded in part by the stuff that we pay. Subsidized lang tayo partly kasi hindi kaya ng bansa.
That’s one thing we miss out on–we bitch on things we need and yet we can’t face the responsibilities that come with our privileges. Kung makakapag-aral ka sa pormal na paaralan, aba’y dapat lang magbayad ka. Yes, education is a right in the constitution. Kung eto lang ang basehan aba’y dapat lahat na ng tao nakapag-UP. Yes, it’s a right to be educated. Pero like Vince said, accessible education needs funding. Eh tiwali nga ang pulitiko–kaya walang pera. And then we bitch again at the politicians, giving us more reason to stomp out of class and whine incessantly about how we need government funding.
And I have to agree with them on the fact that instead of working our asses off to finish our theses and prods, we go out and complain. Pasalamat tayo binabayaran ng taumbayan ang more than 70 percent ng tuition natin (Sabi kasi ng prof ko sa Kas 1, 60,000 talaga ang dapat na tuition fee kung 18 units). When you think about it, binayaran na nga ng magulang mo/mo ang tuition fee mo, binabayaran ka pala nila in installments pati ang ibang tao para lang makapag-aral ka.
Reality check: Hindi kasya yung tax natin doon. Kung gusto ninyo, pataasin ninyo ang buwis, pero kayo din mahihirapan doon.
Oo, mataas nga ang binabayad natin. Oo, wala tayong nakikitang pagbabago. Pero does that make it any better to grumble? Oo. May pinaglalaban tayo. Pero, imbis na maging produktibo tayo sa pamamagitan ng pagpasok sa klase at paggamit nang matiwasay sa mahigit-kumulang 60% ng matrikula natin na binabayaran ng taumbayan, lumalabas tayo at nagsasabing “Dagdagan, dagdagan, huwag bawasan!”
Isa pa, ang pagtatayo din ng mga research institute sa loob ng campus ay para daw sa estudyante, and we like it nonetheless. This is the system’s lame excuse to generate more Westernized and globalized students para ipain sa US at iba pang kapitalistang bansa. If we were really nationalistic, dapat tinutulan natin ang pagtayo ng Science complex na ‘yan kasi diyan magii-stem out ang mga syentipikong magtatrabaho sa ibang bansa.
That in itself is a contradiction to what I believe the UP student is–nationalistic. WE SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE NATION’S WELL-BEING. Huwag kang magsayang ng pera ng taumbayan. Hindi lahat makatatamasa ng pormal na edukasyon, at harapin natin ang sitwasyon na tiwali ang gobyerno. Don’t cry over spilled milk–wipe the fucking thing off and milk a cow.
Ayusin ninyo yung gobyerno kung sila talaga ang ugat ng problema ninyo. Kaya nga tayo demokratiko (na sa ngayon ay di nafu-fulfill ang purpose). Petix.
This is not individualism; this is realism. Kung wala kang pera, wala kang choice. Masakit, oo. Pero tanggapin mo. Or better yet, find a way.
Change is not merely visible and it doesn’t happen in quick periods of time. It may not even happen in years or decades because our economic stability as a country varies over time. Kung tinatanong mo kung saan napupunta yung pera na dapat pinang-ayos ng AS, tingnan mo yung bagong gates at yung bagong kalsada sa Diliman. Tingnan mo na lang din yung Science complex.
Napupunta sa “atin” yung pera. We do receive the quality education because we worked for it. Simple lang naman ang paraan para makapasok ka sa UP eh. Mag-aral ka nang mabuti. That in itself is a form of nationhood, na dapat mayroon ang mga iskolar ng bayan. We can rant in class, we can bitch in class—kausapin ninyo prof ninyo at ituring niyang klase ang demonstrasyon. Pero the best thing we can do is to ensure the people that their taxes—no matter how small—circulates properly and is used properly.
Huwag na tayong dumagdag sa gulo.
@Chad:
Hindi mo binasa ang thread. Paki-basa ulit. Nakakatanga nang paulit-ulit ito.
May budget. Hindi binibigay, ninanakaw, binabayad sa militar.
Hindi dadagdagan ang buwis i-a-allocate lang lang maayos.
Puro Gov Reps ang BOR ngayon so hindi private ang UP.
Pumasa ka ng UPCAT isa yun sa provisions ng Scholarship. “The best” ika nga ng Consti.
This is in favor of the nation’s well-being dahil hindi well ang kurakutin ang budget.
Kung wala kang pera at deserving, bibigyan ka ng scholarship. Kung may pera ka, ba’t ka nasa State U kung hindi Good Quality ang Educ as evident sa estudyante?
Binabayaran ng taumbayan tuition mo, ipaglaban mo rin karapatan nila. You’re not using the people’s money properly if hanggang loob lang ng classroom ang kaya mo. Pwede mo yung gawin sa ibang Colleges/Elementary Schools.
Huwag kang mag-alala, after a sem, maiintindihan mo rin. (Hopefully)
@ Chad:
“This is not individualism; this is realism. Kung wala kang pera, wala kang choice. Masakit, oo. Pero tanggapin mo. Or better yet, find a way.”
may soc sci 2 ka? sino teacher mo?yan ba ang sabi niyang definition ng realism sa’yo?
hindi yan realism gang. reality ang tawag dyan, magkaiba yun. kung realism, “pushing for your OWN interest.” yun dapat.
Freshie nga talaga ito
Kung wala kang pera, edi magtrabaho ka, para makapagaral ka.
You should really consider studying in UP for firsthand experience.
(Oh right. You have to pass the UPCAT first.)
’nuff said. :-bd
Ang topic ay kung karapatan ba ang edukasyon. Pinapatamaan ni Froi ang konsepto ng pagiging karapatan di-umano ng edukasyon. Mas malawak na usapin ito kaysa sa pag-aaral sa UP. Sa madaling salita, ninanais niya ring isapribado ang mga state U’s sa ibang bansa. Malinaw na malinaw iyun. At bakid ba napakakitid ng utak mo para maintindihan ang ganitong bagay at sinasabi mo pang kailangan niyang mag-aral sa UP? BOBO! Bubotiks!
Walang Kwenta’s comment speaks for his name. He/She does not realize that the commenter above just wants the blog writer to have a glance on what is UP, the culture of UP and what makes UP have its reputation so that he knows what he is writing on.
Why didn’t the writer even consider the history of UP? The things that this that he calls “stupid” university has contributed to this country. Then he unjustly attacks UP students for what they are fighting for. Do you even know what they are fighting for for god’s sake? Did he even read what the University’s view on what the oblation is? Because what he has written above is merely his unlawful opinion.
It’s just a matter of RESPECT, I respect your opinions but please be just about what you write. Try being in our position before attacking our opinions.
Q: Why didn’t the writer even consider the history of UP?
A: In my opinion, this is not needed. He is not merely calling for SUC’s like UP to be privatized. He supports the idea that all state schools in other countries should be privatized.
Q: The things that this that he calls “stupid” university has contributed to this country. Then he unjustly attacks UP students for what they are fighting for.
Do you even know what they are fighting for for god’s sake?
A: The students are fighting for their so-called right to education. The author is not alone in challenging this claim. You have the right to believe what you want to believe; it is also true that anyone has the right to challenge your beliefs. If due to good logic and overwhelming evidence that your belief has been disproved and yet you continue to cling to it, it is clear that you stupid and have no humility to change it. Unfortunately, you and many UP students in this thread are acting stupidly.
Q: Did he even read what the University’s view on what the oblation is?
I cannot speak for Froilan about this, but I don’t think UP’s view on it matters. In fact, it seems to me that he did not actually need to express his view on the Oble in order to make the point that education is not a right. It’s just a matter of style.
your answers are 75% wrong. Laugh out Loud at this uneducated stupid boy’s comment
Education is not a right, yes. But it does not mean that the government should not do anything at all regarding education. An amount of collectivism is necessary. Even private enterprises are of collective nature.
demn, nakakaawa ka naman, buti cgruong bumalik ka ng hayskul at aralin ang basic soc sci. wala man lang kalaman-laman etong blog mo. props na lang sa husay ng citation mo, parehong walang pinapatunguhan katulad ng buong point mo 🙂
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
“If you think education is expensive, you must be a complete idiot for not knowing where to get it for free or cheap.” — Anonymous
Dear Mister, let me ask you this question. Are you even a UP student? If not, then you can’t possibly know how we feel, why we do those rallies to fight for OUR RIGHTS. Stop acting as if you know everything about Marxism, leftists and all your stupid blah blahs. I noticed that you just copied and pasted things from websites as your proofs of how STUPID WE UP STUDENTS ARE. You didn’t even follow the rules on proper citation. Kung UP student ka, singko ka na because of plagiarism. Oh, hindi ka nga pala UP student, no wonder ang lakas ng loob mong mag’blog tungkol sa mga bagay’bagay na kahit katiting eh wala kang alam.
Naaawa ako sa’yo. Tinatawag mong symbol of selfish heroism si Oble samantalang ikaw mismo e selfish. Sige. Gawin mong privilege na lang ang pag’aaral. Paano kung isa ka sa mga kabataan na walang kakayahang magbayad ng mahal na matrikula dahil naging privilege na lang ang pag’aaral? MAG’ISIP KA NGA! Nakakairita ka, alam mo ba yun? Try mo munang lumugar sa kalagayan ng iba before you write stupid bullshits on your blog.
Isang araw, kapag binalikan ka ng karma, you’re going to eat this shit you call blog.
I don’t care about your fight. Read the whole blog again, as well as its appurtenances. It’s a monstrous audacity to claim you’re fighting “for your rights.” In truth and in fact, you’re fighting for the enslavement of others and you’re fighting for legalized theft by the government by confiscating a portion of the earnings of those who work in order to serve the “needy” sector of our society. I can’t believe you’re so stupid not to understand the real concept of rights. Yes, you’re fighting for slavery. That is, you want institutional, legalized slavery, you just don’t know it because you’re so ignorant and so stupid…
@ UP FIGHT! 😛
You said: “I noticed that you just copied and pasted things from websites as your proofs of how STUPID WE UP STUDENTS ARE. You didn’t even follow the rules on proper citation.”
I think this is another funny intimidation. Di ko alam kung BOBO ka or sadyang napaka-estupido lang. This is not a thesis and dissertation that requires proper citation ala MLA, APA, Harvard, Turabian, etc. This is a blog. It is sufficient that you acknowledge the author of an idea and provide links to those borrowed or lifted idea.
It’s you who doesn’t know the proper rules in citation. It’s OK to borrow the idea of others so long as you acknowledge them by citing their name or providing link since this is a blog NOT a thesis and dissertation. Kung taga-UP ka, isa ka nga sa BOPOLS diyan lol! BOBO KA NA NGA, ESTUPIDO KA PA. Kaka-disappoint kayong mga mangmang kayo!
Natawa ako dito. Pati rin pala si Conrado de quiros na favorite columnist ko, kasi sometime he lifts some info or quotation from online sources or popular people ay plagiarist.
@ UP FIGHT! :P. Congratulations! You have successfully shown your amazing STUPIDITY! lol! Peace! Pero I found your pathetic rants so stupid…
Ano ba?! Hindi lang pala mga bobo kundi desperado na tong “UP FIGHT! :P” na to. I think the links or phrases sa blog ay properly cited kas na-mention yung author and may mga links. Saan ang plagiarism? This is a blog not a thesis!!! My goodness. If I write a blog and borrow some lines, phrases, report passages, or quotations from other authors, bloggers, or articles am I required to cite them in MLA, APA, etc. Hindi ba enough na that I provide links?!
BOBO KA BA or sadyang tanga lang hahaha! Hindi ka ata nag-iisip eh!
*Di namin hinihiling na magkaroon ng libreng pag-aaral. Ang gusto namin ay mawala ang TOFI at di matuloy ang pagdadagdag ng mga PE fees at iba pang dagdag fee. Ay teka, alam niyo ba kasi yun? Eh di naman kasi ata kayo UPian ee. Alamin niyo muna ang LAHAT ng tungkol sa UP (past, present at future conditions at kung ano ano pa) bago sabihin na stupid at parasites ang mga ISKOLAR NG BAYAN.
Akala ko ba this blog is about objectivity? Hmmm, i think it’s the other way around.
EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, ito ang aking opinyon di dahil ito ang sinabi ng leftist na professor ko (although wala pa akong nae-encounter na ganito), kundi dahil ito ang natuklasan at napagtanto ko.
Hayaan nalang natin ang blog na ito, kitang kita naman na kahit anong sabihin nila, di magbabago na ang UP ay UP (kalakip ang pribilehiyo na makapag-aral dito at ang mga naiambag ng mga produkto ng UP).
Oh well, kelangan nalang natin magkaroon ng bukas na pag-iisip at unawain ang iba’t-ibang opinyon ng tao (at kung bakit sila nagbibitterbitter-an, ooops :O ).
MABUHAY ANG PAG-ASA NG BAYAN :DDDDDD
Tamaaaa. Haha. Alamin niyo muna kasi mga bagay’bagay bago kayo mag’blog kung gaano kami (UP students) katanga, haha.
Ang pathetic ng blog na to. Wag na lang nating pansinin.
May kaya’kanya tayong perspective when it comes to things like rights, etc. Pero please lang, don’t call us stupid. Hindi naman makukuha ng UP ang reputation bilang tahanan ng mga matatalinong estudyante kung walang basehan yun.
Goodluck na lang sa may’ari ng blog na to. May God Bless You on your future endeavors.
P.S.
Mr. Blogger, don’t be ignorant of the history. Ang pagra’rally ang isa sa dahilan kung bakit tayo nakalaya sa mga kamay ng diktador na si Marcos. 🙂
H, sad to say but in my 5 years of staying in a state-u, its not what i witnessed, mas namulat ako sa mga klase ng “activist” na mas disinterested sa classes kaya mas pinipili ang rally at pagproprotesta.
to think of it, ako na nasa state-u, sa ganyan paraan ako namulat, paano pa ang mga hindi nagaaral sa state-u, baka kaya siguro ganyan sila umangal 🙂
para sa blog na to at sa mga nagcocomment. ang hinihingi ng mga estudyante ng mga state-u ay tamang alokasyon ng budget, may pera naman, ninanakaw at hindi lang napupunta sa tama, the students are just asking what should be theirs in first place, kesehodang right o hindi right ang pagaaral, maraming loop holes ang batas natin, one law can contradict the other at kanya kanyang guhit ng itlog nlng sa paginterpreta, rights or no rights, the students are just asking the right allocation of budget (6% of gdp, pakicorrect ako kung mali), plain and simple! kumbaga, nagtrabaho ka, may xmas bonus ka na 1000 pero 500 lang ang binigay.. ewan ko lang kung hindi ka umangal 🙂
hindi ba pwedeng compromise yan? hahaha parang e di isipin mong hindi rights, ang intindi namin rights yan.. either way, ibigay mo nlng ang tamang budget namin 😀 lol lam ko may mali sa sinabi pero nah 🙂
May I inform you, Mr. froivinber, that your idea of UP students fighting for higher state subsidy is not geared towards enslaving the population. In my opinion, it’s aimed towards quality education being accessible to all and not just to the fortunate few.
Education is indeed a privilege and not a right. It is also not limited to the 4 walls of a classroom. So why, then, would you want state universities to be privatized? So that those who work hard to get their paychecks are no longer required to pay taxes that are geared towards the betterment of the whole and not an individual? If so, then you, or someone who posted a comment here that supports you, want to live in a world where you only look after yourself. I think you are in favor of this: Survival of the fittest.
Institutional, legalized slavery? Then let me ask you this: Are all high school graduates being forced to go enroll in a state university? I think not. No one told us to study in a state university. We did it either by choice, or because we do not have the means to go to a “private university”, with which you claim must be better suited if we were to engage in classroom-type education. Heck, most of our countrymen chose not to study at all, and were in favor of learning through experience. Look where most of them ended up in.
With state universities and colleges, we are being given access to a tool that would let everyone have an equal opportunity in this game we call life. If you really want an ideal world, where everyone can fend for himself, then everyone must have the right tools for the job.
About your real concept of rights, you speak as if what Rand says about rights is absolute. As if it should be what everyone believes in. There’s only one concept I believe of as absolute, and that is change. If someone comes in and completely overturns Rand, I daresay you’ll jump the gun and say they are wrong.
As for your faithful supporters, especially the last one who said “UP’s view on what the Oblation is” does not matter, then you have to learn to be a bit more open. Every issue has 2 sides, and it is unjust to just look at the side you like.
I admire you for standing up to your beliefs, but you are in no position to call anyone stupid. Those activists you saw may be misguided, blinded by what they believe is right, but if you call them stupid because of their belief, then I daresay they’ll call you stupid as well.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the blog again and its appurtenances. Know the budget deficit in this country if you believe that “higher education subsidy” will not lead to more taxes or even higher national debt. You are fighting for more allotment when we have a high budget deficit? Are you dreaming? How much more money would you like to LOOT from the taxpayers? How much more share in the national budget would you like to get?
In the first place, public education is a failure. The best proof of this claim- that big government is a big, big failure- are the stupid, ignorant leftist/statist comments on this blog. Aside from being a failure, public education causes more tuition fee increases in private universities because the government competes with private schools, colleges, and universities.
Yes, rights are absolute, but there is a proper concept of rights. I have explained this very extensively. All you need to do is read my blogs. I repeat, your right to education simply means legalized theft or extortion. Your concept of rights imposes obligation on others. Your only right is a right of action, or a right to act, to make it more precise. You don’t have a right to violate the rights of others by taking a portion of their earnings through government taxation. That is, you don’t have any right to impose obligations on others, directly or indirectly.
I believe in freedom in education, not in right to education. We all have the freedom to enroll ourselves in our university or college of choice. Nobody is depriving you if you’d like to drop out of UP. That would be a great decision considering our budget deficit. That is your right, meaning you have a right to choose or not to choice. That is a right of action. Your professors won’t tell you this. But if you ask the government to provide you a higher education subsidy, the question is: where will the government get the money? You might say, “We just want a fair share!” But did you ever forget that we currently experience high budget deficit? Technically, we are in state of fiscal crisis, and I’m still waiting for the official pronouncement of some UP economists.
Now you want more! How amazing! And you’re taking on me because I’m an advocate of subsidy cut? Who will pay for your higher education subsidy? There are only four sources of wealth in this case: 1) taxation, 2) more foreign borrowing, 3) printing of money out of thin air, 4) donation. Who will be sacrificed in the name of your “bright future?” The new administration said it will not impose new or higher taxes. But… will it borrow money from foreign sources. This is what your dear president Gloria Arroyo, an economist from UP, did. She borrowed too much money from foreign sources, and as a result, we now have over P4 trillion debt and a higher budget deficit.
If you want more, there’s only one proper remedy. Ask your leftist alumni and representatives in Congress, leftist politicians and their sympathizers to donate a portion of their “loot”, er earnings, to UP. This is the only proper way! Capisce?!
UP students are also taxpayers so you really don’t have the right that say that they are freeloaders. UP students pay for their tuition (20,000 nga e. Naliliitan ka siguro kasi elitista ka. Pero sa ibang universities sa u-belt, ganyan din ang tuition) And the graduates also give back to the country. Nakalimutan mo atang UP graduates ang 30 sa 31 National Scientists of the Philippines. Yung isa pa (si Gregorio Zara), naging UP student bago niya tinanggap ang scholarship sa MIT.:) Hindi ba sila nag-give back? Diba binibigay yung award na yun to scientists who gave significant contributions to the advancement of science and technology and research in the country? Cream of the crop pa lang yung mga yan. Maraming graduates (and even mga undergrad students) from UP and other state universities na nagbibigay ng honor at significant contributions sa bansa.
Wala man sila sa lugar pa-minsan minsan, hindi selfish ang pinaglalaban nila. Kung enough ang binibigay sa education, bakit sobra-sobra pa rin ang mga kinikita sa MWSS? Hindi naman natitipid lahat ng agencies dahil sa education. Parang ang dami pa ngang extra kasi ang daming ibang agencies na mas nakikinabang. (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/197259/after-mwss-expose-palace-tipped-on-big-perks-in-other-agencies)
Hindi naman pinupuwersa ng mga batang ‘to na tumae ng pera ang gobyerno. Ang gusto lang naman nila, right allocation ng budget. Kaya naman kasi nagkakaroon ng deficit kasi hindi tama ang allocation ng budget. May kinikilingan kasing mga tao at agencies. Okay? Hindi tamang sabihin na wala na tayong magagawa dun kasi meron. Kung gusto, maraming paraan. Pag ayaw, maraming dahilan.
Ikaw ba? Ano na ang nagawa mo for our country? 🙂
P.S. : Kung wala na talagang maidadagdag na budget for education, bakit may sobra sobra at questionable (sabi ng ni PNoy) na perks ang MWSS at iba pang agencies? Diba?:D
Nicely said.
Someone wrote that
To that guy outside this blog, this is my position:
Taxation is legalized theft, and public education depends on it. It doesn’t matter if in a more ideal world, the government has a budget surplus and it allocates part of its budget that’s equivalent to 5% of GDP to the education sector. No taxation for the sake of education and other social services should have been imposed in the first place.
Man has the right to earn what the could and keep what he warns.
I completely agree! To add: We are now facing our dead end. This is now the culmination of the statist policies of our even bigger government. The country has over P4 trillion foreign debt due to the Keynesian mentality of former Pres. Gloria Arroyo. But the people must share the blame for their collective ignorance and stupidity. Mrs. Arroyo should not solely take the blame. The people- especially those who passionately call for more subsidies, more government services, more government spending, more etcetera- are MORALLY GUILTY. They want more of these “nanny state” services yet they let out a howl of anguish and of protest when the government realizes that it can no longer bear the burden of too much gift-giving and redistribution of wealth. This is the primary reason why we have the E-Vat and more taxes. This is the primary reason why our top Keynesian economist, Gloria Arroyo, turned to foreign lenders because she was afraid to increase our tax rates owing to her un-popularity.
Yes, we must face our collective dead-end. That’s why our new president, Kuya Noy, must be ready to lose more hair than usual. But we have indoctrinated students and stupid liberal tutors who just can’t understand economic and political realities. It’s a pity that too many of them point to the 1987 Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights when I attacked the “right to education.” The people who drafted the Constitution are morally guilty for bringing us the kind of extreme disaster that we now about to face. Many societies have failed in the past due to the collective ignorance of their leaders. What they fail to realize is that this “right to education” monstrosity was perfectly practiced by Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. The “right to education” is being perfectly applied in all slave pens on earth like North Korea, Cuba, China, Venezuela, etc
Yes, this monstrosity- “the right to education”- has no place in a free society! It’s freedom in education which we need and should demand, not right to education.
“It’s freedom in education which we need and should demand, not right to education.”
Freedom in education? Oh yes, we have that in UP. Come, enroll now. Ha! That is if you would even dare.
Actually, I do think that you’re affiliated in a Philo circle with all your blabbering. But I must say what you want to happen is very utopian in nature. Why not find your own land and start a new government? I suggest you do that.
BTW, all sectors have a budget allocated by the government. If what you are saying is that no budget should be given to any of the sectors then that’s plain BULL SHIT! If people would not pay taxes then where would the government get their budget for the infrastructures and all their other projects? Why even put up a government for that matter?
@ally of concerned citizen
Do you know the term minarchism? If not, research it yourself. At kapag nalaman mo na ang kahulugan, dapat mapagtanto mo kung ano ang mas nararapat na sistema kapalit ng kasalukuyan. Gawin mo iyan, dahil hindi nga naman uso sa UP ang spoon-feeding!
i totaly agree….but taxation is legal when used in the right way, however, in our system, it is not. most of it does not go to the right places to be.
an example would be the 13billion budget cut of up; from 18b, the only given budget is 5 billion, a lot less than half. they say it was because there was not enough government funds. do we really believe in such when our officials spend this kind of amount on a single trip abroad or a dinner???????
Hmmm…I can smell stUPid leftists.
Real education for free! These are the books your leftists professors do not want you to read and online sources they don’t want you to cite. Yet these are also the intellectual ammunition which can stave off despotism from finalizing in the Philippines.
Websites:
http://mises.org/
Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage! 😀
http://www.lewrockwell.com/
Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism
Books on Philosophy:
“Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountainhead” both by Ayn Rand (not available for free though)
Click to access Ayn_Rand-The_Virtue_of_Selfishness.pdf
“The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand
Rand’s most important contribution to philosophy, a rational ethics.
Click to access ethics.pdf
“The Ethics of Liberty” by Murray N. Rothbard
Applied Social Ethics
Books on Economics and Political Philosophy:
http://jim.com/econ/
“Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazzlit
The easiest and surest way to understand economics
Click to access The_Law.pdf
“The Law” by Frederic Bastiat
No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat
http://jim.com/hayek.htm
“The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek
What you need to learn about political economy
Click to access SocCap.pdf
“A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism” by Hans Hermann Hoppe
Analyzes all political-economic systems and proves capitalism is best.
Click to access whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
“What Has Government Done To Our Money” by Murray N. Rothbard
Easiest way to understand money
Click to access manwelfarestate.pdf
“Man vs. The Welfare State” by Henry Hazzlit
Welfare state is the wet dream of the leftists so this is applicable to the Philippines.
Speak truth and love freedom!
i can also smell some non-isko/a PLAIN absurdity. Ai. others nga pala kayo. We don’t have the same line of thinking. Trying to sound all-knowing, eh? please look for the definition of leftist and activist. Why don’t you at least find out for yourself how these two differ from each other.
But anyhow, I don’t think you’d bother. Ha!
At sinong nagsabi sa iyo na nasa luntiang kapaligiran ng Diliman at iba pang UP campus matatagpuan ang mga matatalino at marunong mag-isip at magkilatis ng mga bagay-bagay?
At sinong nagsabi sa iyo na nasa luntiang kapaligiran ng Diliman at iba pang UP campus matatagpuan ang mga matatalino at marunong mag-isip at magkilatis ng mga bagay-bagay?
why? your bothered? nobody said that. Many students do not even have the chance to go to UP because of financial reasons and also due to the relatively high tuition fee that is why those who care fight for a higher state subsidy.
Edi tigilan NIYO na ang “UP vs Others” na kabobohan na iyan, hangal.
Books and websites that refute leftist professors a million times over. This is the intellectual ammunition that the youth need if we are to stave off despotism from finalizing in the Philippines.
Important websites:
http://mises.org/
Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage! 😀
http://www.lewrockwell.com/
Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism
Books on Philosophy:
Click to access Ayn_Rand-The_Virtue_of_Selfishness.pdf
“The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand
Rand’s most important contribution to philosophy, a rational ethics.
‘Atlas Shrugged’ and ‘The Fountainhead’ both by Ayn Rand
“The Ethics of Liberty” by Murray N. Rothbard
Social ethics applied
Free books on economics and political economy:
http://jim.com/econ/
“Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazzlit
The easiest and surest way to understand economics
Click to access The_Law.pdf
“The Law” by Frederic Bastiat
No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat
http://jim.com/hayek.htm
“The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek
What you need to learn about political economy
Click to access SocCap.pdf
“A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism” by Hans Hermann Hoppe
Analyzes all political-economic systems and proves capitalism as best
Click to access whathasgovernmentdone.pdf
“What Has Government Done To Our Money” by Murray N. Rothbard
Easiest way to understand money
Click to access manwelfarestate.pdf
“Man vs. The Welfare State” by Henry Hazzlit
Welfare state is the wet dream of the democratic left. They will hate this.
Go. Speak truth. Love Freedom.
Marxists in my school and elsewhere have chosen to ignore the ideas of Mises or pretend that he has long been discredited. That sucks, really.
ang tanga tanga naman ng blogger na ito. nagpapa impress ka sa pamamagitan ng iyong mga retorika? TANGA! paano kung hindi ka tinuruan ng magulang mo magbasa at magsulat dahil ito ang bibitbitin nilang lohika na hindi mo ito karapatan? BAGO KA MAGSALITA MAGSALIKSIK KA NG MAAYOS. MAGSURI. BOBO! NAGPAPANGGAP NA WALANG ALAM.
DAPAT SA IYO ISINILANG NA LANG NA WALANG KAHIT ANO EH. O BETTER YET DI KA NA LANG SINILANG DAHIL SA MGA GANYANG PAGTINGIN MO.
“paano kung hindi ka tinuruan ng magulang mo magbasa at magsulat dahil ito ang bibitbitin nilang lohika na hindi mo ito karapatan?”
Good point! If my parents believed that I don’t have a right to education it doesn’t mean that I won’t get education. It’s just like my cellphone, my parents still bought me a cellphone even though I don’t have a right to one. Your statement assumes that people won’t acquire economic goods they don’t have the ‘right’ to acquire. The only rights man has are life, liberty, and property.
If in some hypothetical situation I could choose in what society I’d be born in, I’d choose a pure capitalist society than a social democratic(mob rule) society anyday. Even if I was born an orphan there is a higher chance that I will be taken into a good orphanage with compassionate administrators in a capitalist society due to the existence of more capital to fund these projects. Another thing is social mobility, a person born in a welfare statist society will most probably become a lazy bum with low self-esteem because there is little chance he will become rich.
Someone has to provide the services private institutions will not give out for free. It just happens to be the government’s job to do that.
“Someone has to provide the services private institutions will not give out for free. It just happens to be the government’s job to do that.”
That of course is a dangerous myth.
http://www.vforvoluntary.com/wiki/PublicGoods
This blog is a pure BS … who told you that they’re ignorant?
I’m living in Europe and everything is free .. free education, and healthcare and because of that everyone has a job and the countries aren’t struggling anymore.
Education is not a right ? …. HA !! it’s like hearing an Illuminati member towards world domination!
Lolz! European socialism will collapse in less than a decade. Do you know about what happened to Greece? That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The welfare state will collapse just like Russian socialism. One can be apodictically certain about these things. Europe is better than the Philippines DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF its being more interventionist than the Philippines.
This thread refutes all your beliefs.
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/5616.aspx?PageIndex=1
Ayaw kasi nilang sundin sa letra ang Maastricht Treaty, kaya ayan, pabagsak na ang Europe. Of course, hindi iyan maiintindihan ng mga mangmang na ito.
“This is the primary reason why our top Keynesian economist, Gloria Arroyo, turned to foreign lenders because she was afraid to increase our tax rates owing to her un-popularity.”
–Alam mu ba ang kasaysayan ng pangmundong ekonomiya? Ang pinagsasabi mu ay purong haka-haka.
Si Ayn Rand ay isang pseudo-philosopher kaya hindi healthy na ibase mu sa kanya lamang as to kun paano ka titingin sa mga bagay bagay. Mas marami pa sa bilang ng buhok mu ang mga ideya’t ideolohiya na ngpapatakbo sa mundong to. Marami schools of thought sa economics, kun makaasta ka talagang taboo ang marxismo. Meron ako propesor sa UP, maka-kapitalista pero idol si Marx. Wag mu sabihin mas marami ka pa alam sa titser ko e may doctorate un. Si Ayn Rand kaya intindihin sa isang upuan lang, si Marx habang buhay na pinagaaralan. Ang marxismo ay bahagi ng mga CRITICAL theories na kinabibilangan din ng feminismo, postcolonial theory etc. Wala sa grupong yan ang Objectivism na mukang sinasamba mu. Tama na yang ilusyon mu sa babaeng yan. Palawakin mu pa ang iyong isipan.
Bakit marami ngrereact sayo? kasi mali mali ang datos mu. seryoso. Masyado ka ring naka-pokus sa depinisyon ng ‘rights’. Pwede kasi maraming ibig sabihin un. iba sa somalia, iba sa n.korea, iba sa muslim, iba sa aborigine sa australia. bigyan mko ng pangalan ng socio o anthro teacher na naniniwala sa mga pananaw mu at talagang mabibigla ako. theres no such thing as absolute. theres no such thing as objectivism.
Ayaw mu sa tax kasi legalized theft pero supporter ka ng free-market? Pwede magsulat ka ng librong kasing kapal ng Das Kapital (kasama na un lahat ng equations dun) kun paano magiging posible iyon sa isang sociodad gaya ng pilipinas kasi sobrang naguguluhan ako.
Ang totoo hindi ako naniniwala na ang edukasyon ay isang karapatan (kasi kulang pa ang kaalaman ko patungkol sa ganitong bagay) pero naniniwala ako na para umunlad ang bansang ito, kailangang ang edukasyon ay maging accessible at affordable. dahil sa edukasyon mapapaunlad natin ang ating mga sarili at tungkulin ng pamahalaan na siguruhin na walang naalienate.
oo sumasama ako sa rally. pag sumisigaw sila na ang edukasyon ay karapatan, tahimik lng ako pero pag ang chant taasan ang badyet, pati mga kuko ko sa daliri sumisigaw. kainis nga di ako marining ng mga de-kotse. lumalaban ako kasi rationally selfish ako.
Basic education is a right, UP education is a privilege.
yes, UP education is a privilege. pero quality education in ALL levels is a right. =)
@ Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia
mga readings na binibigay mu puro gawang banyaga, hndi sila rooted sa realidad at tunay na sitwasyon sa ilalim.
bat di umuunlad ang Africa? (wag mu sabihing tamad sila kasi mga taga africa nagpakain sa Europa at Amerika) marami nang studies tungkol dun tsaka halos lahat ng foreign aid dun pumupunta. Kasi sabi ng isang puti ganito, sabi ng isang mataas ang ilong ganito. Kasi yang mga puting kuno’y intelektwal, sigaw ng sigaw ng teorya, bobo naman sa praktika.
Ang teoryang mainam, too ayon sa lohika at sa praktika. Nakaka-awa ka naman na hindi mo pa nga nababasa ang mga nilalaman nung mga babasahin, sinasabi mo na agad na hindi angkop sa Pinas. Isa ka rin ba sa mga bobong gumagala sa Peyups?
Name calling again? wala na bang bago?
hindi ko nga nabasa lahat lahat, alam ko naman kun san patungkol yan. hay nako.
matagal nang test case ang africa at pilipinas sa mga teoryang inilalahad jan, e san tayo ngayon? ang pinoy nga naman, alila kahit kelan.
pero para mapanatag ang loob mu, cge itatanong ko mamya sa vendor ng balut dito o di kaya sa driver ng traysikel kun tlgang mainam, tutal sila naman tlga nkakaramdam ng krisis.
Basahin mo naman muna pare bago ka mag-criticize. Libreng mga libro iyan!
All UP students are open-minded daw. Maraming exceptions. Ludwig von Mises kicks their ASS.
@Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia
tol tol tol,., hmm., sa tingin ko, yung mga nilagay mu na link/book about economics and philosophy (i supposed) ay galing sa ibang konsepto, sa ibang perspectibo. The writers of such books will tend to understand “economics” by their own perspective, in where they live in which it is affected by external factors (society) that affect their way of living. In such case, biases may form and which is may not be applicable in the Philippine state of affairs.
sana tol if mag research ka man lang., sana yung sa perpectibo ng ating bansa and magiging basihan. hindi naman tayo pare pareho sa ibang bansa eh. iba ang situation at mga batas sa kanila at iba din yung sa atin.
tsaka, sa tingin ko., nag papasikat lang ang blogger nah ito para siya ay maging sikat (syempre) ^_^
Sa madaling salita, naniniwala ka na ang mga alituntunin ng economics ay iba-iba sa bawat bansa kaya gayun na lamang ang pagtaboy mo sa mga aklat na binigay niya?
OO., bakit, sa tingin mo pareho lang??
kung di sanay walang mahirap at mayamang bansa kung ganoon lang!
bat pa kasi pinagtutulakan e mahirap ngang iangkop. tapus kun hndi ka sasangayon, tatawagin kang bobo. FYI 98% kaya reading comprehension ko sa UPCAT
para sa lahat ng di makaintindi.
sana kasi malaman nyo muna ang kalagayan ng TUNAY na naghihirap.
UP na lang nga ang matatakbuhan dahil yun na lang ang eskwelehang nakakpagbigay samin ng pagkakataong makapag-aral at mabigyan ng edukasyon para sa ikauunlad namin at ng sambayanan.
gusto ko rin sanang malaman nyo na hindi sa language nadedefine ang STUPIDITY ng isang tao.
SUS!!! the issue with this blogger is that he is NOT a UPian.
try muh mag aral sa UP bro!!! you are going to eat your words!!
Pag makita or mabasa to ng mga totoong genius sa UP.. patay kang bata ka!!! rakrakan ka talaga ng mga criticisms!!! anung tingin muh sa parents ko?? hindi taxpayers???
do you know that some UP students have to work part-time jobs just so they can continue studying in UP??? noon, nag-aaral ang tao para makapagtrabaho. ngayon nagtatrabaho para makapag-aral!!!! at ngayon gusto mo pang gawing private school ang UP?!?! may isa akong UP classmate na hindi nag-enroll ngayong sem para lang makapgtrabaho at maka-ipon para maka-enroll next sem!!! nasan na konsensya muh?? you were probably born and fed with golden spoon pero isipin mong may ibang mga tao na hinahanap pa ang spoon at hindi pa golden, plastik pah!!
gusto muh ibato ko pa sayo ang mga barya ko??
if i were you, i’d rather let the ground swallow me!!! kakahiya ka!!
“may isa akong UP classmate na hindi nag-enroll ngayong sem para lang makapgtrabaho at maka-ipon para maka-enroll next sem!!!”
–ako manager sa bangko nanay ko peru kailngan ko tumigil kasi bukod sa tuition, may loan pako kelangan bayaran. ganyan na kamahal ang matrikula sa UP!!!
tamaa ka jan! tootpik…
nakautang nga ako ng bongga sa friend ko and until now hindi ko pa nababayaran kasi meron naman akong utang sa relative ko.. all because of the reason that i have to pay my tuition!!!
akala pa nang parents ko makakahinga na sila dahil nakapasa ako sa UP.. hindi pala…
Well said isangISKA…at hindi lang sa UP nangyayari yang mga kaso ng estudyanteng kailangan magtrabaho para makaipon ng pantuition.
i think the writer of this blog SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF does he een understand what he ment by “steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan”. for the writers knowledge; THE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL or supposed to be but seems not anymore. it is but a DUMB thing to imply that a call for greater state subsidy may be tagged as STEALING or even making the tax payers as slaves. doesnt it even come to your mind that despite the hardship and criticism that are thrown to the people who fight for these subsidies, they still continue to. the top priority of the tax money allocation according to our law should be EDUCATION and an example of these are public schools.
UP as a public school NEEDS government subsidy, for if not, it would be privatized (and that is what is happening right now) if this happens, where will the masses (the biggest tax paying people of the philippines and has the most number) study? would they be forced to stop their education even if they have great mental capacity? what would their future be? should they be forced to work receiving a lot less than what they need?
what does “steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan” mean? who is pedro and who is juan?? in my perspective, PEDRO is the corrupt individuals who steal what is for the people (in UP’s situation, he is the idiot who stole 13billion from the 18 billion who is supposedly for up students leaving them with a mere 5billiaon, a lot less than a half of what was supposed for them) and JUAN are the innocent tax payers who work hard but get less than what they deserve and pay a lot more for their basic needs because of big taxes that does not cater them well. so shouldnt the statement be the vice versa? ISNT IT PEDRO WHO IS STEALING FROM JUAN???
this statement is such a hypocritical trash. all the writer thinks about is what such activities seem to him, doesnt he ever think that what these people do isnt just for their personal good but for the good of many? a lot of them can afford the tuition fees that they fight to lessen but they still fight because they think of those who cant. THEY ARE JUST FIGHTING TO GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHAT IS DUE TO THEM
Mas mainam pa ngang isapribado ang UP. Mas gaganda ang facilities; mas tataas ang tsansang manalo ang UP MBT sa UAAP. Kung ayaw mong maniwala, THINK.
ehem ehem ehem., hindi naging unang prioridad ng UP ang manalo sa UAAP. Making us private?? hello?? ang masasabi ko lang DI KA TAGA UP!!
Hindi unang prayoridad, pero naglaan ng malaking halaga ang UPAA para magsanay sa Amerika ang UP MBT pero palpak?
Isip-isipin mong mabuti na mas magagawa ng UP ang adhikain nito na magbigay ng de-kalidad na Edukasyon at mas mapainam ang programang pampalakasan nito kung nasa pribadong kamay ito.
oh my god!!! another nonsense…is that all you think about?!?!?! ang pag panalo sa UAAP and wat ever? ang babaw mo naman tol ok ka lg ba? up is supposed to be one of the best colleges. it caters INTELLIGENT people, not some non sense who only think about sports. wake up darling, anong mangyayari sa mga kasama nating nagugutom kung ang iniisip mo ay basketball lg? what a selfish remark! and for your info, ilang years na napatupad and tuition fee increase, hanggang ngayon d pa rin gumaganda ang facilities ng unibersidad, lumalala pa nga
Minsan, nagising ako sa reyalidad at ang mga nagpapakilala at kinikilalang matatalino ay masahol pa sa hayop.
Pinapakilala nilang para sila sa mga mahihirap ngunit ang mga pilosopiya nila ang lalung nagpapahirap sa mamamayan.
Gusto kong matulog na lamang at iwan ang reyalidad, ngunit naisip ko ring kung walang lalaban sa mga mangmang na ito, wala tayong magandang patutunguhan.
oo nga noh!! tama kah!! PRIVATE NA!!! Gaalleeeeeeeeenngg!!! hoooo.,
pro nasan ang mga mag aaral?? nasan ang mga studyante?? sinong mag lalaro sa UAAP, sinong gagamit sa mga magagarang kagamitan ng UP??
isipin mu kung sino ang mga studyante ng UP tol!!
hindi ka man gid guro tga UP!
“. . .ang lalung nagpapahirap sa mamamayan”
tama ba ang nabasa ko??
ayusin mu nga pananalita mu tol bago kah “magising sa reyalidad” mo. . ungas ^_^
bottom line:
walang kaalam alam ang blogger sa constitution ng pilipinas
he probably never had a subject like that in wherever college he studied.
Bottom Line: Kailangan mo ng remedial reading class.
Grabe ka lang kuya/ate. Naiiyak ako sa pinagsasasabi mo. Nagagalit ako sayo sobra. I can’t believe may mga taong tulad mo.
Hindi dapat itinutuon ang problema sa edukasyon sa iisang pamantasan lamang. Hindi porket UP lang ang nakikipaglaban para sa subsidiya sa edukasyon ay ibig sabihin na niyang UP lang ang nangangailangan.
Hindi rin dapat sisihin ang mga nagbabayad ng buwis, kung nagagalit man sila na tila pinapasan nila ang pagpapaaral sa mga taga-UP. Oo, naiintindihan naman namin na ayaw niyong ilaan ang pera niyo sa mga taong hindi niyo kilala, lalo na sa mga estudyanteng hindi niyo naman alam kung makakapagtapos o hindi.
Pero isipin niyo rin naman na ang mga aktibista ay hindi makikibaka kung walang dapat ipaglaban. Higit pa sa iniisip ng nakararami ang metodolohiya at ideyolohiya na ginagamit ng mga aktibista para magbuwis ng buhay sa mga mass movements at rallies; may mga pamilya rin silang nag-aalala para sa kanila, pero alam ng mga aktibista ang dapat nilang ipaglaban, at pinag-aaralan muna nila ang mga bagay-bagay bago sila sumabak sa lansangan.
Sa may-akda nito, sana tinanong mo ang isang napakahalagang tanong na, marahil ay puno’t dulo ng problema sa subsidiya ng edukasyon: SAAN NAPUPUNTA ANG BUWIS NA BINABAYAD NG MGA PILIPINO?
Kapag nasagot ‘yan, liliit ang argumento, dahil lalabas talaga kung sino ang mga tunay na biktima — at sa tingin ko, hindi lang mga Iskolar ng Bayan na tinitira rito; sana maisip niyo rin na maraming hindi nakakapag-aral, maraming mahihirap na umaasa sa subsidiya, mga magsasaka at manggagawang umaasa rin sa buwis na dapat ipinapaikot ng gobyerno. Huwag nating isara ang mga utak natin. Hindi dapat mahati sa dalawang bahagi ang isyung ito; hindi lamang mga taga-UP at mga galit sa taga-UP ang saklaw ng buong problema ng Pilipinas.
To repeat what I said in an earlier post:
There would still be no improvement even if corruption ceased starting tomorrow.
There is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not the character of government officials, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.
(Tingnan nyo ang reading list sa itaas na pinost ng ibang commenter)
Hindi ako dalubhasa sa ekonomiya, kaya hindi ko po kayang sipatin ang mga sinabi mo. Pero sang-ayon ako sa nabanggit na malaking problema ang pagkuha ng suma ng gobyerno pagdating sa mga pinansyal na alokasyon sa Pilipinas. Nagiging bulag ang karamihan na hindi naman talaga “transparent” ang ginagawa ng gobyerno natin. Hindi nakapagtatakang maraming nakakalusot na mga negosyanteng hindi nagbabayad ng buwis, at pati na rin ang mga pulitikong nangungurakot at nangongotong. Kung gayon, kahit na ito ay isa lamang mababaw na pag-oobserba sa tonong pulitikal at ekonomiyal ng bansa, masasabi pa rin ba nating walang karapatang ang UP na humingi ng tulong? Wala tayong karapatan na sisihin ang mga institusyong tulad ng nabanggit na humingi ng subsidiya mula sa gobyerno, dahil marahil alam ng mga estudyante na hindi nila nararamdaman ang dapat na benepisyong nakararating sa kanila.
Sa uulitin, huwag nating isarado ang mga isip natin. Hindi lang ang mga estudyante ang naghihinaing ng pondo at marapat na tulong mula sa gobyerno (na kanila naman talagang responsibilidad, sa puno’t dulo ng usapan) kung hindi marami pang mga sektor ng lipunan na dapat ay mas tinutugunan ng oras upang tulungan, at hindi para pag-awayan lamang.
Separate State from Education!
yaan nyo na yan.haha.kasama niya ung mga elitista niyang dabarkads nag gustong maghari.
mga pasikat. wala naman laman….
God bless na lang.
ikaw na yata ang isa sa mga taong hindi ko makakalimutan sa blog na ito.
next time, objectivity talaga ung kelangan mo para ung mga tao eh maging objective din mag-react sayo.kaya namumura buong angkan mo eh. header pa nga ng page mo diba?
ingat.
disgusting arguments. unfitting to even look at. just shows the dismal education people receive in the Philippines.
You got to understand what philosophy the blogger follows before you guys make any comment. Kita nyo na nga purong Randroid sya so kahit anong gawin nyong pag rarason dyan di makikinig yan. At ang pagiging selfish nya, para sa kanya ay isang virtue. Countless moralizing and condemnation sa thread na ito ay example lang ng pagiging objectivist. Kung ako sa inyo tawanan nyo na lang sya kasi nagmamagaling sya base sa pilosopiyang hindi tinanggap ng majority ng mga iskolar sa daigdig dahil nga sa pag aabuso ng ideyang ito at sa paggamit sa di wastong pamamaraan… tulad na lang sa blog na ito (binasa ko lahat ng blog ng blogger at tama ang hinala ko, isang Randroid)
at hindi ako taga UP sa abroad ako nag aral at wag ko ng sabihin baka sabihin ng blogger eh nagmamagaling ako eh from that reason tutungo sya sa another reason then another then another then coconvince nya na yun ang absolute truth and then lalaitin nya ang character ko. I just wonder why karamihan ng mga Randroid eh ganito pag uugali. LOL
@ Rhomz ibig sabihin isa kang BITTER NA TROLL. Bakit? Kasi wala kang magandang argument so kung anu-ano na pinagsasabi mo. Katulad ka rin ng mga komunista na mga sinungaling at magaling sa propaganda at conspiracy theory. Kakatawa ka hahaha!
“at hindi ako taga UP sa abroad ako nag aral at wag ko ng sabihin baka sabihin ng blogger eh nagmamagaling ako eh from that reason tutungo sya sa another reason then another then another then coconvince nya na yun ang absolute truth and then lalaitin nya ang character ko.”
Sige nga pakitaan mo nga kami ng magaling mong English kung hindi ka troll. San ka ba graduate, troll na bobo? Ayaw kong manlait pero nakakatawa at nakakaawa ka. Para kang pumunta rito para magkalat lang haha. Ganyang ang mga bobo at tanga. Puro lang yabang. Graduate daw sa abroad. Oo ako rin. Graduate sa Harvard at Yale. Laban ka?!
Ay ano meron sa English? Yun ba kailangan para masabing magaling? Babaw naman yata. Pero ang galing naman, di pa ako nagmamagaling eh sinabi mo na na nagmamagaling na ako. Pano pa kayo kung nagmagaling ako? Troll na kung troll. Go lang ng go sa lait kung dyan ka sasaya. LoLz. At di ako graduate sa Yale at Harvard, di din sa US. Hulaan mo dali! At di ako makiki argue sa iyo, (o eto na, handa ka na, magmamagaling na ako: ) Kasi di kita kalevel!!! Ahahahahahaha
Randroid…that’s a good one.
“Kita nyo na nga purong Randroid sya so kahit anong gawin nyong pag rarason dyan di makikinig yan.”…in short, froivinber’s pigheaded.
anong dapat na solusyon kung ganun upang lahat makapag aral? o magkaroon ng edukasyon?
grabe naman kuya, sikat ka na.
gawin ko rin kaya ito? pero hindi na rin, kasi malamang gagamitin ko yung utak ko sa pagsusulat ng blog. naniniwala kasi ako sa libreng paggamit ng utak. 🙂
ayos lang yan..ipagpatuloy mo lang iyang ginagawa, matutuwa sa iyo si Ayn Rind.
akalain mong may naniniwala sa kaniya?
ayun, ipinagdarasal ko kay bathala, harinawang hindi ka makasalubong ng isang UPian, o kahit ung isang kabataang uhaw sa edukasyon, kasi gusto ko pang mabasa yung mga susunod mong blogposts. ingat ka, kasi karapatan mong mabuhay, katulad ng milyun-milyong kabataan na may karapatan din para sa isang accesible, at de kalidad na edukasyon, tulad ng mga katutubo at magsasakang may karapatan sa sariling lupa, tulad ng mga manggagawang may karapatan sa mas mataas na sahod at maayos na benepisyo..tulad mo, tulad ko, tulad nila, may mga karapatan at responsibilidad ng gobyerno na tugunan ang lahat ng ito.
ay, oo nga pala kuya. aktibista po ako. aktibista ako dahil may adbokasiya akong baguhin ang sistema ng gobyerno. adbokasiyang ipaglaban ang karapatan ng mga mamamayan, kasama na ikaw. may hangarin akong lumaya ang mga mamamayan sa kahirapan at panunupil ng isang burukrata kapitalistang lipunan. at oo kuya, tumitindig ako at nagiging pangahas upang magtanong at maging boses ng mga pipi sa gabi, ng mga taong nakabalot ng tanikalang mahirap alpasan.
at panghuli kuya, sana hindi maranasan ng mga susunod pang henerasyon mo ang kahirapang nararanasan ng nakararami.
sana ikaw na yung huling hindi gagamit ng utak, sana..
pagpalain ka ng mga espirito ni Inang Kalikasan, gabayan ka nawa ni Bathala..
☺
erratum:
rand instead of rind..
LOLZ
The hard truth is that government-run education is what causes the intellectual bankruptcy and self-denying attitude that makes Filipinos elect a president just because his mother died (I’m sorry, but if you just take a minute to think about the real motivations for electing Noynoy, you will see that they are all founded on emotion, not reason or evidence). The tyranny of good intentions that Noynoy brings will push us further into despotism.
Thank you for your ignorance.
TL;DR
The point is, THIS BLOG POST IS STUPID ENOUGH AS IT IS.
ahhmmm… alam ko naligo ka na sa madugong comments kuya…
nasabi mo kasi na graduate ka na noh?
sa’n ka ba nagtapos?
makikita kasi na isa kang ever successful na individual noh…
pero wag mo naman hamakin ang mga UPian tol…
pakiusap lang, kasi, baka balikan ka ni Chiz sa mga sinasabi mong yan…
and you have the balls to mislead the non-UPians to turn against us?
wag ka namang ganyan, maawa ka sa sarili mo…
di ko sinasabing tama ka or mali ka…
ang akin lang eh, sa post mo, pinapakita mo lang na ikaw ay isang intellectual troll at isang copy paster from wikipedia…
alam mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga lugar kung saan naandon ang mga UP campuses, at makikita mo kung gaano kami ka-oppressed…
tsaka, di naman kami communist lahat tol…
kasi, in the first place, stereotype kasi yang utak mo na communists ay RED, NPA, terrorists…
which explains YOUR ignorance and extreme stupidity…
research kang konti kuya kung ano ang Marxism ok?
kinain na talaga ng maka-capitalistang bansang to ang apathy mo…
wag kang padala tol, nagiging unprofessional ka sa latter part ng replies mo…
kung gusto mong i-privatize ang UP, eh di gawin mong public ang La Salle…
para switch places tayo…
i respect your opinion kasi “right” mo yun…
but never ever dare to defame us…
you only have the right to post something like this kung 3rd richest man in the world ka na…
magaling ka naman mag-sulat kaya lang sobrang daming plagiarized parts…
ma-dedemanda ka nyan…
(that is IF meron kang idea kung ano ang plagiarism, which is I doubt)
aral ka ulit ng grade 5 kuya, kasi kahit UP High School student kayang isulat ang TROLL POST mo…
wag kang magalit masyado…
tsaka paabono ka ng dugo ha, kasi alam ko ilang raw ka nang DUGO ILONG sa posts naming mga ever genius UPians…
ok lang yan, inaasahan na namin yan sa mga defective professionals na tulad mo…
di ka kasi ever makakapasa kahit Math 1 lang dito…
imbecilic IQ ka lang kasi…
-salamat…
My God! You are making a whole lot of fallacious arguments in this post! I’m sure you’re not from UP kaya malakas ang loob mo magcomment ng ganyan plus hindi pa tama arguments mo. Your whole post is a fallacy, man! I don’t understand why you have to write something this stupid and without enough basis? What’s your point? Pasikat? Do not overgeneralize us UP students, dahil kung tutuusin, hindi naman talaga kami lahat ganyan. I sincerely hope you can back your words up.
Why not back up your words. If you’re from UP, then you must be either an idiot or an ignorant. Read the blog and try to refute it. If… you think at all.
The Dancing Banana is so pathetically funny. She said: “You are making a whole lot of fallacious arguments in this post!”
Well, I’d like to see the fallacious arguments. Why not try to enumerate the fallacious arguments stated in the blog? Perhaps it is proper for her to start with the concept of rights. To stupid Dancing Banana: What, to you, is the proper concept of rights? Can you please tell us and stop being a childish?
You said: “Your whole post is a fallacy, man!” I don’t think if you’re an idiot of crazy. First, present your whole argument before making such a stupid claim. ARE YOU ARE IDIOT?!
YOU SAID: “I don’t understand why you have to write something this stupid and without enough basis?”
Simple: You don’t understand BECAUSE YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!!
YOU SAID: “What’s your point? Pasikat?”
The point is: your stupidity is now becoming so alarming. Someone must tell the truth. Does it hurt na nasapawan ka at na-expose ang KABOBOHAN MO?
YOU SAID: “I’m sure you’re not from UP kaya malakas ang loob mo magcomment ng ganyan plus hindi pa tama arguments mo.”
I’M VERY MCUH SURE YOU’RE FROM UP KASI BOPOLS KA! Look at your rants, it’s nothing but an empty shell. Wala ka man lang argument kundi ang pathetic mong KABOBOHAN!
YOU SAID: “I sincerely hope you can back your words up.”
Well, this is the funniest thing of all. The blogger made a series of blogs to back up her words. IF YOU’RE NOT REALLY AN IDIOT, you should have read the other posts before EXPOSING YOUR IDIOCY HERE. From UP? Yeah, right! IDIOT KA NGA! KAKAAWA KA!
Okay ito ah, may rightwing anarchism na pala sa Pilipinas. Simple lang: Buy a gun, protect your women, harvest your fields, grow your own food and educate your kids at home (para walang sex education at evolution). Fantastic. Sana dumami kayo.
Lolz.. hahaha actually mas mabuti pa ayan kesa sa sistema natin ngayon sa Pilipinas. Culture and morals in the Philippines are actually devolving…..
You are one funny man FREE MARKET.
Potpot’s post is a mockery of what you anarchists are trying to suggest because it is absolutely impossible. You just cant seperate yourself from society.
Oneida Colony, Harmony, New Harmony. Sounds familiar? Theyre all utopian communities established in the US not so long ago. And they all failed. UTOPIAN PIE-IN-THE-SKY BA.
What do you guys really know of politics? of sociology? economics at least? eh? You guys boastfully talk about free-market capitalism when you cant even mention the concept of ‘growth without equity’ that it is closely associated with.
NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC IF HE/SHE CANT EVEN GET HIS/HER FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! at yan ang naging unang kamalian ng blogger.
This blog has few valid points but still all in all FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS. LEFTIST PROFESSORS? YOU GUYS DONT EVEN HAVE AN IDEA KUNG ILAN SILA! ABOLISH TAXATION? CMON. LAST TIME I CHECKED, THE MOST KNOWN PROPONENTS OF LAISSEZ FAIRE CAPITALISM ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO INCREASE VAT BY 15% ..GUYS ONLY FIT TO ENTER UP ARE THOSE FREE-MARKET FREAKS? In here I will be repeating what others have said again and again–YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN THE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES.
The writer also is being too philosophical without recognizing the need to apply these ‘theories’ in a scientific way in a society such as ours. Believing in objectivism is worse than being a die-hard Commie. Its like believing that you can win a world war without having to use force.
It is easy for you people to label non-conformists as ‘bobo’, leftist bla bla bla when you cant even correctly identify what Marxism is. Shame. Dont even start on me. MY HEAD IS BIGGER THAN YOU KIDDO AND PROUD OF BEING FROM UP AND IM ONLY 18. A 2nd year UP Polsci can explain better wat objectivism is, the difference communism and national liberation movements and why Ayn Rand is fuckin nuts. WHATS SO DISAPPOINTING ABOUT THIS BLOG IS THE ARROGANCE OF THE BLOGGER AND HIS STRAWMEN. SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO LISTEN. THERES AN ENDLESS HORIZON IN THIS WORLD.
PARA SA BLOGGER:
NAKAKATUWA TONG BLOG MU PERO HINDI ITO BEBENTA SA MGA ISKOLAR. MASYADONG LIMITED ANG PERSPEKTIBO KUNG SAAN KA NANGGAGALING.
@Sublimeation…wag kang masyadong mayabang porket 2nd year college ka…ako nga hs pa lang eh mas matalino pa ako sayo
to the author:
you created a whole new theory out of your copy-pasted theories from the internet. Doing this kind of writing never passed anyones standard of writing. or can i call this a draft for a primary-school-level’s publication? Your ideas are ideas of others you just combined to make it yours. it is illegal, you know? ever heard of plagiarism?
i’d like to say what goes in my mind right now. some of them are comments for the blog, while other may be comments for the other comments.
-others, are just emotional. be radical.
-i don’t agree with privatization of schools and other establishments. hello? have you heard of the state of the nation? why would you think the government should prioritize the few upper classes?- to get more taxes.to have more money in their pockets. to stay in position.to have a LUXURIOUS lifestyle they want. but if this ever happens, what would it be like to the majority? they’ll become poorer. they’ll grieve more on their state and their losses. and what does the elitist do? suppress them more or simply just pity them because they think these majority are collective people with no use. ohhhh. how great could that be? suppressing the poor to be great ones. and you think that makes this country better? what would the others think?huh? or what would your mentors(rand, marxist) think of you? a murderer. then- pursue this if it makes you HAPPY, but don’t regret if sooner or later you’ll get less income. because you just killed all your workers. hah! for sure, no elitist would like to have a job on the lowest position. because they all want MORE MONEY.
-the budget for education is 3%, and a huge amount of money goes to the public school. well, maybe because, private schools do not need this. they have their own money. but you think all of it goes to the beneficiaries? nope. it will spent on the salaries of the employees. spent on infracstructures. on programs. on seminars. lastly facilities. with the fast improving technology, the quality of facilities become better, and the price of it increases. so the schools bid for the lowest price(comes with it is the lowest quality facilities) and orders for it. and since the government are slow-paying-institution, facilities arrive late. like 2-3years after the purchase. and it would outdated-and -phased-out model, that needs to replaced again. while waiting for the replacement, the students suffers. ohh. if only the government works better.
BUT, fortunately, students, with their great minds, find ways to cope up with these lack-of-facilities-schools and study. it think these students who suffers from having this lack of facilities gets some advantage to the reality unlike in private schools, wherein students are spoonfed which they think is a way to make them great. you see, in reality, outside school, you are not spoonfed, your mentors will not be there to tell you what to do in case you encounter problems. maybe, studying in private school has an advantage of having the latest technology. but these is of no use because the reality is way different.
-i am a taxpayer. i do pay taxes to serve the country. i maybe classified as the productive members of the society. and if the serving the country means serving the good of these social beneficiaries.i will gladly pay the taxes dutifully. hello? what’s the point of making the productive ones more productive, when it is better to make the untrained(potentially productive) become productive? it will increase the productivity of the country right? and soon. no one will become poor or suppressed.
rich has the ambition to be the top one, why can’t the poor?
i dont know neither the constitution nor about the rights. but based on the definitions you just gave. i think, the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the same as the right to have the basic needs.
education. is education a right? yes. you said the government protects the right of its people. what if the people wants education, then the government should protect its people and give them education. in our case(in the philippines), most of the families prioritizes education, and thinks education is the best gift they can give to they’re children.
should education be free/subsidized? yes and no. yes, if and only if the government can support it. no if the government is a big failure. in our case, yes. the government has enough funds, if only it could properly allocate its budget. -end-
when i was a kid, i wonder why do people rally and get hurt and sometimes killed in the streets just to shout for what’s written in their banners. i thought they were stupids. but come to think of it , they’re trying to save millions of people by asking the government to think properly and give these millions of people a quality education either free or subsidized.
in my experience and encounter with these rallyist, i realized many things. hey. they EXCEL IN SCHOOL BETTER THAN MOST OF US in our school. because they’re grades can be rulered and still they can go to streets and rally. while us, who sacrifices social life and sleep got only satisfactory grades.
i dont want to argue. i just want to give some detailed informations on reality. not just mere theories we read on books. i have read most of the books here, that my prof required me to read before. theories are still theories in the end, and can never be generalized.
everyone. go back to your parents, get some manners.
what i hate about this site is the lack of respect. up students are stupid? what if i say, elitists are stupid. or what if i say, all of you are stupid. or students from University belt are stupid. how will that appeal to you?
If you’re a freshie, then you must be so stupid.
YOU SAID: “you created a whole new theory out of your copy-pasted theories from the internet. Doing this kind of writing never passed anyones standard of writing. or can i call this a draft for a primary-school-level’s publication? Your ideas are ideas of others you just combined to make it yours. it is illegal, you know? ever heard of plagiarism?”
Do you know what plagiarism is? Kindly cite examples of copy-pasted online items not were NOT properly cited? Plagiarism is borrowing of ideas, quotations, and entries from another author/writer without proper attribution. Is this offense committed here? This is done by your favorite newspaper columnists. When the blogger posted UP’s meaning of Oblation and the opinion of Mr. Tolentino, he acknowledged the source of the information and provided links to the entries borrowed. Is this plagiarism?
When the blogger quoted Ayn Rand and others, he acknowledged the source of the information. Is this plagiarism. This is an OPINION entry, not a thesis or dissertation. Do you know the difference between the two, stupid freshie? Do you ever know what you’re talking about?
The rest of your rants is NONSENSE, as you’re simply exposing your plain idiocy!
let’s not attack the personality of the person just because his views do not comply with ours. as you mentioned, this blog is opinion based, thus it is expected that those who would comment may have dissenting opinion on the author’s and to the other readers.
now regarding the issue raised on education being a right: salus populi est suprema lex. i assume the author here is a student of law given the way he used his words. he would then understand that in a republican-democratic country – like the Philippines – the welfare of the people is the supreme law of the land. the pursue of quality education subsidized for the greater welfare of the majority of Filipinos who cannot afford to pay high tuition fees in private institutions is definitely worth taking.
now these UP students are just claiming what is basically rightful for the general public. it is constitutionally mandated that Filipinos have the right to quality education. something that is on the premise why these UP students continue their efforts for higher state subsidy on education – education as a whole and not just for the University of the Philippines.
i understand that this may not appeal to the author given his obvious inclination to the philosophy of Ayn Rand – someone whom I respect as well, but i hope it would appeal to him that the philosophy of egotism will not generally apply to all situations especially in a society wherein it is the people who is upheld more than anything else. this may not be in the pursuit of one’s own personal happiness, but this may be taken to view as a means to achieve general happiness for everyone. the common good, a state of higher utility (to sum up for everyone).
i guess i would like to commend the author for coming up with such topics that invite debate. at least in a way we can pour in our ideas and learn from each other. i just hope that we can respect as well others’ views and stand on the topics posted here.
Check my comment HERE.
Stupid kasi si Freshie from UP kaya hindi niya alam yang mga yan. Siguro lagi siyang nasa rally kaya wala siyang alam lol! Ganyan naman ang karamihang taga-UP puro ere at yabang lang sila. Wala naman talaga silang alam eh. Puro rally at protests ang nasa utak nila. At dito sila sa comment section nagkakalat ng kanilang KABOBOHAN HAHAHA!
huwag kang magsasalita ng parang alam mo ang lahat tungkol sa mga taga-up at lahat ng mga aktibista!..dahil sa katotohanan, ikaw ang siyang MANGMANG sa katotohanan tungkol sa lipunan!
naitanong mo na ba sa sarili mo kung bakit nag-rarally ang mga tao? ang mga aktibista? ang mga taga-UP?..sa tingin mo ba nagrarally sila para maging “cool” at magpasikat lamang?..
nagrarally ang tao/mamamayan dahil may mali sa sistema!..gumagawa ng mga aksyong masa dahil grabe na ang pang-aapi at pagsasamantala na nararanasan ng mamamayan!..
dagdag din, para malaman mo, base sa kasaysayan ng ating bansa, ang mga reporma at ang ilang kalayaang natatamasa natin ngayon ay hindi basta-bastang ibinigay agad sa atin..ito ay ipinaglaban at pinagbuwisan ng buhay ng maraming mga aktibista, ng ilang libong mga mamamayang Pilipino na buo ang paninindigan para sa kung ano ang tama!..isang magandang halimbawa nito ay ang ginawang mga pagkilos ng kabataang noong martial law..sa panahong iyon nilusaw ni marcos ang lahat ng mga konseho ng mag-aaral, publikasyon, organisasyon at ibang mga youth formations..ngunit dahil nga ipinaglaban ito ng mga naunang Iskolar ng bayan at ng mga martir noong panahon ng pasistang rehimen ni Marcos, kapalit ng dugo ng maraming mga kabataan, estudyante at ilang mga indibidwal, napagtagumpayan nilang maibalik ang mga youth ang students’ formations na ito..
kung sa palagay mo walang silbi ang pagrarally, ba’t di mo balikan ang History 1 mo!..
@ Freshie… Kung Freshie ka man, TROLL KA. Freshie what? Freshie sa UTAK? Kaya pala BOBO KA.
Here’s what you said: “-i am a taxpayer. i do pay taxes to serve the country. i maybe classified as the productive members of the society. and if the serving the country means serving the good of these social beneficiaries.”
TAXPAYER?!!!!!!! HSDSODVSNAEDBkewlwjw!!!!! THAT’S BULLSHIT!
lahat tayo ay mga tax payers – may trabaho mn o wala, bata mn o matanda..
ngbabayad tayo ng tax although maliit lamang through VAT mula sa mga pinambili nating mga kagamitan, pagkain, etc.
Okay, let’s wrap it up. Based on what I read on this comment section, IT IS PROVEN THAT:
1. Most UP commenters are STUPID/IDIOT or both!
2. Most UP commenters are Lefttists/Socialists.
3. Most UP commenters don’t ever know what they’re talking about.
4. Most UP commenters are MAYAYABANG, as they adduced such invalid arguments as “hindi nakapasa sa UPCAT,” “hindi ka kasi taga-UP”, etc.
4. Most UP commenters know nothing about politics and economics.
5. Most UP commenters are DANGEROUS TO OUR LIVES AND LIMBS!
6. Most UP commenters are BOBO!
7. Most UP commenters are BASTOS!
8. Most UP commenters are TROLLS!
9. Most UP commenters are a threat to this country and to our freedom.
10. Most UP commenters are INSANE!
Therefore, it is for the benefit of this nation and of everybody to PRIVATIZE UP and other public universities!
please be aware that you are just referring to UPians who have just commented in this blog… however, this should not be the reason to privatize UP and other public universities…
judge your conclusion; it is illogical, right?
@xtian17
The fundamental reason behind the author’s call to privatize UP is philosophical: What is the proper role of government? Should the government redistribute wealth? Should the government provide education for all?
Froilan answers in the negative. That means, even if all UP students behaved rationally in this blog, that would not affect our position against state-subsidized education.
to libertarian:
wow…. gling ng conclusion mo ah……..cge nga.. prove that hindi ka BOBO, BASTOS, THREAT SA BAYANG ITO at sinasabi mo that you may know everything….
prove mo nga ito…… at anu bah magagawa mo para sa bansa na ito?????
Proven talaga!? Ibang klase! Ibang level!
alam mo ba kung bakit pinagpiyestahan ng maraming mga UP students ang blog na ito?..iyon ay dahil puro mali ang mga nakasaad dito!..nagkakalat kayo ng mga maling impormasyon!..bago kayo magkomenta na para bang bilib na bilib kayo sa mga sarili niyo, ba’t di n’yo munang subukan na pag-aralan ang ating lipunan?..o kahit sa minimum, mag-BMI kayo sa UP at sa mga state universities and colleges nang mamulat nmn kayo!
Wow. Ibang klase si Libertarian ah, lumevel up!
Imba ka naman ‘tol. Proven na talaga? Swear?
Promise? Iba ah! Galing galing mo naman. Akalain
mong nakapagconclude ka ng ganyan, HONNEPPP.
Isama ka na dapat sa mga great thinkers ng mundo,
galing mo magconclude at magtakda ng mga proven statements eh.
Hay. Nakakasawa naman basahin yung ibang comments na puro
katangahan lang, libre naman mag-isip, ayaw gamitin utak? Bawal ba, bawal?
Oh ano, babanat na naman kayo na bobo ba ko, ang yabang ko at ano pa man? Paulit-ulit,
walang bagong panglaban para makapagpanggap na matalino at alam ang tunay na kalagayan ng ibang tao?
Oo sige bobo na nga siguro ako.
Tatalino niyo kasi para sabihan ng bobo ang mga taga-UP na ang tanging ginagawa lang dito
ay idefend ang unibersidad nila at ang pananaw ng mga rallyista. Kayo na matalino.
Sige pagkalat niyo na kung saan kayong schools nanggaling at magpasikatan na kayo.
IMBA EH, IMBA. Tatalino talaga, sobrang talino sarap lutuin ng mga utak at gawing isaw,
benta sa UPD para masaya, kaso nakakasuka siguro un para sa mga kakain,
MALAMANG SOBRANG PAIT. Bitter eh 😛
Good job good job, you are now being given all the attention that you want.
Bless all of you who pretends to know, when in fact, know nothing at all.
May you succeed in life and someday, when you have your own families,
may your children be blessed with the best education, because, it is afterall,
their rights.
Wow. Ibang klase si Libertarian ah, lumevel up!
Imba ka naman ‘tol. Proven na talaga? Swear?
Promise? Iba ah! Galing galing mo naman. Akalain
mong nakapagconclude ka ng ganyan, HONNEPPP.
Isama ka na dapat sa mga great thinkers ng mundo,
galing mo magconclude at magtakda ng mga proven statements eh.
Hay. Nakakasawa naman basahin yung ibang comments na puro
katangahan lang, libre naman mag-isip, ayaw gamitin utak? Bawal ba, bawal?
Oh ano, babanat na naman kayo na bobo ba ko, ang yabang ko at ano pa man? Paulit-ulit,
walang bagong panglaban para makapagpanggap na matalino at alam ang tunay na kalagayan ng ibang tao?
Oo sige bobo na nga siguro ako.
Tatalino niyo kasi para sabihan ng bobo ang mga taga-UP na ang tanging ginagawa lang dito
ay idefend ang unibersidad nila at ang pananaw ng mga rallyista. Kayo na matalino.
Sige pagkalat niyo na kung saan kayong schools nanggaling at magpasikatan na kayo.
IMBA EH, IMBA. Tatalino talaga, sobrang talino sarap lutuin ng mga utak at gawing isaw,
benta sa UPD para masaya, kaso nakakasuka siguro un para sa mga kakain,
MALAMANG SOBRANG PAIT. Bitter eh 😛
Good job good job, you are now being given all the attention that you want.
Bless all of you who pretends to know, when in fact, know nothing at all.
May you succeed in life and someday, when you have your own families,
may your children be blessed with the best education, because, it is afterall,
their right.
are you damn?! di mo ba naiintindihan na naghihirap mga magulang namin para lang sa intik na tuition na yan. kaya nga kami nag-aral sa UP kasi mura yung tuition. tapos bigla na lang susulpot ‘tong TOFI na ‘to. hello?! kamusta naman mga magulang ko. pareho kaya silang walang trabaho at umaasa lang ako sa padala ng kapatid ko na nagtatrabaho sa isang company sa manila. hello kamusta naman pinaghihirapan niya.
di ka siguro pumasa sa UPCAT kaya ganyan na lang ang panggagalaiti mo sa UP. o dinaman kaya. wala ka lang talagang utak para makapasok sa UP. ang BOBO mo. natuto ka pa naman gumawa ng blog. sa isang side lang ginamit mo. di mo tinignan yung kabila. masyado kang naging bias sa mga sinabi mo sa blog mo. Next time na gagawa ka ng blog. make sure na hindi bias at you’re looking at the both sides of the issue.
PS.
if I know, youre just doing this for popularity. STUPID :p
Wow. Kung yan po ang description for a UP student na nagcomment, paano naman po yung hindi nakapag-aral. Yung mga nasa kalye lang. Yung mga bumoto kay ERAP AT NOYNOY. 😐 Ang objectivity kasi dito, objectivity ng mga taga-Kanluran. Tama yung mga nagsabing hindi angkop ang mga ito sa Pilipinas. Oo theoretically at logically tama yung mga sinasabi ng mga iniidolo niyo pero naiiba ang praktikal na pagsasagawa. Wala naman kasing perpektong sistema.
At sigurado akong nasabi ng ibang UP student ang “invalid arguments” dahil ayaw na nilang magkomento pa sa blog na ito. Break ba kumbaga. At yung iba naman, gusto lang sabihin na hindi mo kasi nararamdaman kung ano bang mayroon sa loob ng UP (at ng iba pang SUCs). Try mong magpunta. Try mong makipagusap sa mga mag-aaral at mga guro. Try mo lang.
Isa pa. Ano ba ang scholarship? Di ba most (if not all) ng mga ito, may kapalit. Dapat maglingkod ka sa nagbigay ng scholarship mo. Hindi ba ganito na nga ang nangyayari sa UP at SUCs. Pinapaaral ng bayan; Naglilingkod para sa bayan. Hindi lang pagtapos ng pag-aaral, pero pati habang nag-aaral na din.
At hindi lang naman sa edukasyon ang pinaglalaban ng mga UP students. Pati sa mga Indigenous Peoples/katutubo, mga magsasaka, mga oppressed, etc. At hindi lang rally ang ginagawa, ang mga UP students mismo ay nagpupunta sa mga taong ito, tumutulong sa kanila sa iba’t ibang paraan.
At eto pa nga, paulit ulit nang sinasabi. Matalinong budget allocation ang gustong mangyari ng mga UP students. Isipin na rin natin.. Kasama pa ang PGH sa budget ng UP. Hindi lang edukasyon ang pinagkakait ng gobyerno, pati buhay ng mga tao!
at bago po sana natin sabihin na threat ang UP students (and professors alike na rin), isipin nating ang OBLATION– ang tamang interpretasyon ng OBLATION.
there’s no absolute ‘tama’… it’s a matter of general acceptance from the field of science to the field of politics…. therefore, it’s rightful to say that EDUCATION is a RIGHT kasi yan ay pinaniniwalaan nang nakararami lalung-lalo na sa lipunang may mga mapagsamantalang elitista o may-kaya… thus, the 1987 Philippine Constitution RECOGNIZES education as a RIGHT of every Filipinos..
subalit, hindi lang pala ang Pinas ang naniniwala nito… pati na ang karamihan sa WORLD POPULATION kung kaya’t NIRECOGNIZE rin ng
Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 26:
“Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education… shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.”
Subukan kaya ng blogger na kumalap ng mga signature ng mga sumasang-ayon sa kanyang contention na Education is NOT a right, tingnan kaya natin if majority would agree to him… if gusto niya, he can make it worldwide signature campaign..
Sa pananaw ko, the content of this blog reflects the “SELFISHNESS” o “INDIVIDUALISTIC ATTITUDE” ng blogger pati na yung mga sumuporta at nagsuggest na iprivitize ang UP at all other schools, i-abolish ang UP at mga public schools, etc..
If the blogger is a devoted Catholic nd Christian, he should practice the teachings of the Church and GOD – Love thy neighbor as you have loved yourself… feed the hungry, clothe the naked, educate the ignorant, tulungan ang mga nangangailangan kung maaari…
Lahat naman siguro ng mga relihiyon naniniwala na makakamit ng isang tao ang tunay na kasiyahan kapa’g nakakatulong siya sa kapwa na WALANG HINIHINGING KAPALIT at hindi tinatanaw ang PAGTULONG bilang ENSLAVEMENT… Pero kung athiest ang blogger, nasa kanya na iyon… siguro wala siyang pakialam kung babangungutin siya ng mga batikos at lalayuan siya ng mga nakakarami…
I know this may not be a good argument coz it’s truism… basta my point s dat we live in a brother/sisterhood, tinutulungan ang sinumang nangangailangan dahil may mga panahong tayo rin ay mangangailangan ng tulong ng iba.. iwaksi ang PRIDE at palitan ng HUMILITY at tunay na PAG-IBIG tungo sa isang demokratiko at mapayapang pamumuhay…
GOD BLESS US ALL! Padayon! 😀
Bakit mahal ang private school?
1. Dahil merong public school so hindi nalang makipagkompetensya ang mga private school. Sa upper-income brackets nalang sila.
2. Dahil may pinapaturo sa pamahalaan na hindi kelangan.
3. Dahil merong requirements sa pag set-up ng school na hindi kelangan
4. Dahil sa piles of paperwork na kelangan gawin
5. Dahil sa kung anu-anong taxes ang kinakailangan ng pamahalaan
At marami pang iba…
Sa maikling salita, ang Pilipino ay walang “Freedom in Education”. Pamahalaan ang pumipili ng edukasyon nila kahit na ang edukasyong iyon ay tinatawag na ‘private’. Kung tanggalin natin ang gobyerno sa edukasyon e di ang mga magulang na ng bata ang pipili ng edukasyon nila. Dadami ang mga choices. Bababa ang presyo.
Wag na wag niyong sasabihin na kapag walang public school hindi makaka-aral ang mahihirap! In fact, naghihirap sila dahil sa inflation at taxation na nag-fund sa public school!
Capitalism is mass production for the masses.
An inspiring video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuldG8cataE
please be aware that you are just referring to UPians who have just commented in this blog… however, this should not be the reason to privatize UP and other public universities…
judge your conclusion; it is illogical, right?
this is addressed to libertarian.. xenxa, nagkamali po sa pagpost..
…bat ang raming kumakaliwa?…and the sad thing is that mga BOBO pa ang kumakaliwa..I hope you’re not a lawyer…coz’ if you are, better suspend your license…no, terminate it.
..@Libertarian : hahayz…grabe you’re hitting below the belt…
–btw, do you think wala nang threat sa country natin kung i.PRIVATIZE ang UP?
Just one question Froi, Im just curious so please answer with all honesty.
Did you took the ACET or the UPCAT? Did you pass? 🙂
*take
Check my REPLY HERE!
**take
There is one thing that really bothers me about what some commenters here keep on saying. That UP Professors are leftists and tell us what we should think. Please stop bashing our professors.
In my three year stay in the institution called UP not once have I encountered a professor who forcefully feed us his/her beliefs. Nor have I heard of one either.
They continue teaching at UP despite the low salary they receive for their efforts.
Just a little respect, please. They try their damnedest to teach us well and they do not deserve the bashing they receive from some commenters here.
I agree and I know an economist professor at UP who’s an advocate of free-market capitalism. But it is their (the professors’) responsibility to correct the current trends at UP.
This is why I said:
Yes, I agree that the University of the Philippines houses many of our brightest young students in the country. This is why it is important to expose the kind of evil that is penetrating this top public institution of learning. If there’s one institution that must be the main target of leftist indoctrination, it should be the University of the Philippines due to the following reasons:
* Prestige
* Population
* The level of intelligence of its students
* The potentials of its graduates
* The size of government funding
* Position in the country’s intellectual hub
* Many possibilities for socialist/liberal strategies
* Influence
This is why it is very important to audit UP, intellectually and ideologically. However, it should be the responsibility of those who believe in free-market capitalism to wrestle with the propagators of liberalism and socialism at UP and other state universities in the country. It should be their responsibility to give proper education to their students, meaning by teaching a student how to live his life—by developing his mind and equipping him to deal with reality. Indeed, the UP seems to be the main subject of this public education attack because of its importance and because of its ability to change the course of the country’s history in the future.
bitter ka.
di ka pumasa sa UPCAT.
Eto sagot niya sa ‘yo BOBO:
So your guilty charge is that I wrote this piece because I didn’t pass the UPCAT or that I failed to enter UP for the matter? This is what I have to say: I am very much glad I’m not from UP and never had any plan to study there. It’s an advantage on my part. In fact, I suggested to a friend who plans to study economics to try other private schools (Ateneo excluded) and just read the right books, which are definitely not part of the Philippine curriculum. I also made the same suggestion to a classmate who plans to take master’s in International Law after finishing law school: to take it abroad. But I believe that if there’s a group or class of students who deserve to study at UP, it would be those who know and believe in the ideals of free-market capitalism.
I challenge you all then- you whom I consider the “seeds of evil”, if you know what I mean- to express your refutation in a proper manner instead of resorting to personal, ad hominem attack. I tell you, I’m very much thrilled whenever I see that my opponent resorts to personal attack, because it simply shows he’s got no valid, no sane argument to adduce. Show me that you’re from UP and that you deserve your passing the UPCAT. Show me that you’re entitled to a higher education subsidy! Prove that you have the right to the earnings of the people who work and produce! Prove that you have the right to turn the government into a legalized thief or extortionist. This is my challenge.
It’s not because your ‘opponents’ don’t have anything to say ‘academic’ to refute your case its just that some choose not to because there is no convincing a person like you who is so indoctrinated with the prevalent capitalistic culture. People insult you because you’re a prick and it’s fun to insult people like you. . It is true that people have freedom of speech (or at least, ideally, people should) but that doesn’t give you the right to attack another persons set of beliefs. By all means, make your dissertation, argue your case, but when you address a condescending blog post to hundreds of thousands of students and alumni, expect a flurry of responses. Everything has contradiction, so don’t assume your argument to be the only valid one, this is not a proper forum for an intelligent discussion, so don’t expect it. Further, you argue in your ivory tower and recluse built from theories alone. A little known fact amongst social scientists is that all the theory in the world will not matter without studying the people themselves. Before you make hasty judgements behind the intentions of ‘activists’, I suggest you start to get to know one first, hear ’em out and at least try to understand what they are saying. Otherwise, you will forever write blog s like this, half-baked, highly arguable and not the least bit accurate to the society that (unfortunately) includes you.
People let’s be empathetic of this person, obviously he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I for agree with smile:) though I am studying at UP and I think that it’s doesn’t give us justice as students if TOFI is going to be implemented seeing that UP is a state university. Now let’s look at his side maybe he’s some rich prick or something that’s why he can afford high tuition fees, that’s why this is his view of the topic. Setting aside the fact that he may not have passed the UPCAT, let’s not get our emotions get the best of us, don’t mind him because he doesn’t understand the people who are experiencing poverty since he may be living a life of luxury. For me, he is a shallow, good for nothing, mentally challenged person so let’s not hate him but instead let’s just be happy that we’re not like him.
People let’s be empathetic of this person, obviously he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I for one agree with smile:) I am studying at UP and I think that it doesn’t give us justice as students if TOFI is going to be implemented seeing that UP is a state university. Now let’s look at his side maybe he’s some rich prick or something that’s why he can afford high tuition fees, that’s why this is his view of the topic. Setting aside the fact that he may not have passed the UPCAT, let’s not get our emotions get the best of us, don’t mind him because he doesn’t understand the people who are experiencing poverty since he may be living a life of luxury. For me, he is a shallow, good for nothing, mentally challenged person so let’s not hate him but instead let’s just be happy that we’re not like him.
Sinong sinasabihan mo, ang mga kakusa mong BOBO?
HAHA! Ang lakas naman ng loob mo. Tanong ko lang. Pumasa ka man lang ba ng UPCAT?
Mas naantig ako sa laitan dito kesa sa topic.
At kasama ako dun sa lait ng lait.. LOL.
It’s not because your ‘opponents’ (aka up students and their supporters) don’t have anything to say ‘academic’ to refute your case its just that some choose not to because there is no convincing a person like you who is so indoctrinated with the prevalent capitalistic culture. People insult you because you’re a prick and it’s fun to insult people like you. . It is true that people have freedom of speech (or at least, ideally, people should) but that doesn’t give you the right to attack another persons set of beliefs. By all means, make your dissertation, argue your case, but when you address a condescending blog post to hundreds of thousands of students and alumni, expect a flurry of responses. Everything has contradiction, so don’t assume your argument to be the only valid one, this is not a proper forum for an intelligent discussion, so don’t expect it. Further, you argue in your ivory tower and recluse built from theories alone. A little known fact amongst social scientists is that all the theory in the world will not matter without studying the people themselves. Before you make hasty judgements behind the intentions of ‘activists’, I suggest you start to get to know one first, hear ’em out and at least try to understand what they are saying. Otherwise, you will forever write blog s like this, half-baked, highly arguable and not the least bit accurate to the society that (unfortunately) includes you.
i’m from UP, in Manila to be exact..
nakita ko yung mga rallies, rtr’s, flyers ng mga pangkat na lumalaban para sa edukasyon. ang masasabi ko na lang, gawin muna nila ang kanilang tungkulin bilang mag-aaral bago ang sa bayan. sana imbes na rally, gumawa sila ng mga proyekto tulad ng pagtuturo sa mga Pilipinong di nakaka-pag aral basta parang ganun kasi minsan ginagawang “joke time” na lang ng ibang lumalahok sa mga rally parang di totoo ang kanilang pagsali o kaya di ganun ka-epektibo ang mga ito sa aking opinyon. kung may epekto naman, ay dahil napipilitan ang mga administrasyon, na parang ang pangit naman kasi isipin mo ang isang batang namimilit na sundin ang gusto niya sa kanyang magulang na di na niya pinapakinggan ang panig ng nakakatanda..basta ganun..yun lang
bandaid solution
it goes hand in hand, do what you can and strive for something more. Don’t be so naive na pag ginawa yan ng tao automatically bubuti ang bansa (or its a better solution to the problems we have) pag-aralan muna ang condition before making such pointless suggestions 😛
“proper concept of rights”? did i read it right? your blog, in my opinion, is conceited and full of biases. perhaps you were inebriated when you were making this blog. first of all, you should look at this issue from the eyes of the whole student body and not just yourself. next, it is stated in the constitution that education should receive the highest budget, but it is evident that education is not the top priority of the government. also, why are you saying that the professors have been successful in indoctrinating the youth? don’t generalize the professors. if you will look at it from the eyes of the students (especially the people who really have financial problems), you will understand what i mean……and please, do not include the Oblation in your opinion. how dare you say that the oblation is a symbol of selfish heroism? you really have a lot of biases, and these opinions of yours just show how nonchalant you are. your mind is clouded and obscured. your philosophical premise regarding this matter is also flawed. the government must increase the budget. if you are complaining about how we react to these kinds of issues, i suggest you review your history. the student/faculty regent were not consulted during the time the TOFI was approved. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo also made a proclamation regarding financial autonomy of state universities and colleges. it means that UP will have to think of its own income-generating solution, which led to this whole issue at hand. BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR CRITICISMS PLEASE!
You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s either you’re a fool or an ignorant or both.
You said: ““proper concept of rights”? did i read it right? your blog, in my opinion, is conceited and full of biases. perhaps you were inebriated when you were making this blog. first of all, you should look at this issue from the eyes of the whole student body and not just yourself.”
Since I have extensively addressed this issue, let me reprint what I’ve stated in my other blog:
The right to education legalizes government theft and extortion, because in the first place, such a “right” is not really a right all. The right to education is a perversion of the concept of rights. The proper questions that my critics should deal with are:
1. What is the proper concept of rights?
2. Is there a right to something when it constitutes the violation of the rights of others, directly or indirectly?
3. Is a right grounded in reality or just a floating abstraction- or a conceptual pretzel that can be bent, distorted, or misshape according to the will of its beneficiary?
4. Is a right positive or negative?
5. 5. Does it mean a right of action or a right of compulsion or coercion?
6. Is it anchored on man’s individual rights- his rights to his life, liberty, property, and his pursuit of happiness?
My blog source: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/salus-populi-est-suprema-lex-is-an-evil-concept/
You said: “first of all, you should look at this issue from the eyes of the whole student body and not just yourself. next, it is stated in the constitution that education should receive the highest budget, but it is evident that education is not the top priority of the government.”
I repeat: “Again, the “right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality. It is a contradiction in terms. The framers of our Constitution dismissed the fact that the government is not supposed to be a “Robin Hood” agency, but an agency which has the sole duty to protect our individual rights and to safeguard this country against invasion or against internal threat. The framers of our Charter forgot the fact that before there can be something to “redistribute”, there has to be a definite source of wealth. They simply did not understand the relation between production and distribution. The constitutional right to”quality education at all levels” and “accessible education” is a puerile fantasy that is never grounded in reality. Such a right is an invalid concept and a floating abstraction.”
You said: “how dare you say that the oblation is a symbol of selfish heroism? you really have a lot of biases, and these opinions of yours just show how nonchalant you are. your mind is clouded and obscured. your philosophical premise regarding this matter is also flawed.”
— The answer is because you know very little.
You said: “the government must increase the budget. if you are complaining about how we react to these kinds of issues, i suggest you review your history. the student/faculty regent were not consulted during the time the TOFI was approved. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo also made a proclamation regarding financial autonomy of state universities and colleges. it means that UP will have to think of its own income-generating solution, which led to this whole issue at hand.”
— Here’s my answer:
I believe in freedom in education, not in right to education. We all have the freedom to enroll ourselves in our university or college of choice. Nobody is depriving you if you’d like to drop out of UP. That would be a great decision considering our budget deficit. That is your right, meaning you have a right to choose or not to choice. That is a right of action. Your professors won’t tell you this. But if you ask the government to provide you a higher education subsidy, the question is: where will the government get the money? You might say, “We just want a fair share!” But did you ever forget that we currently experience high budget deficit? Technically, we are in state of fiscal crisis, and I’m still waiting for the official pronouncement of some UP economists.
Now you want more! How amazing! And you’re taking on me because I’m an advocate of subsidy cut? Who will pay for your higher education subsidy? There are only four sources of wealth in this case: 1) taxation, 2) more foreign borrowing, 3) printing of money out of thin air, 4) donation. Who will be sacrificed in the name of your “bright future?” The new administration said it will not impose new or higher taxes. But… will it borrow money from foreign sources. This is what your dear president Gloria Arroyo, an economist from UP, did. She borrowed too much money from foreign sources, and as a result, we now have over P4 trillion debt and a higher budget deficit.
If you want more, there’s only one proper remedy. Ask your leftist alumni and representatives in Congress, leftist politicians, and their sympathizers to donate a portion of their “loot”, er earnings, to UP. This is the only proper way! Capisce?!
You said: “BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR CRITICISMS PLEASE!”
You be careful what you’re wishing for, statist!
@ froivinber
Pumunta ka sa Burma o di kaya sa Somalia para lubos mung maunawaan na ang buong konsepto ng karapatang pantao ay hindi basta basta maiintindihan lalo na kapag sa isang nobelang piksyunal mu pa dinampot. Ang pinopoint-out sayo ng mga tao dito ay napaka Randist ang depinisyon mu. Kaya nila nasasabing bias at puro angas. Mag-aapat na daan na comments mu dito, di mu parin maintindihan yon?
“”There are only four sources of wealth in this case: 1) taxation, 2) more foreign borrowing, 3) printing of money out of thin air, 4) donation. “”
–Dahil walang citation I suppose sayo to. San parte ng utak mu kinuha tong impormasyon na apat lng?
“”If you want more, there’s only one proper remedy. Ask your leftist alumni and representatives in Congress, leftist politicians, and their sympathizers to donate a portion of their “loot”, er earnings, to UP””
–alam mu bang hindi nakakatanggap ng pork barrel ang mga respresentante sa kongreso na kontra-Gloria?
“”But… will it borrow money from foreign sources. This is what your dear president Gloria Arroyo, an economist from UP, did. She borrowed too much money from foreign sources, and as a result, we now have over P4 trillion debt and a higher budget deficit.””
–Yan kasi feeling mu dahil nakamention ka na ng Law of Casuality at kun anu pang ek ek ang galing galing mu na sa Econ. Leche. Ganito kasi yan. Si Gloria ay isang pro-US, pro-IMF WB na ekonomista. Ang utang ng Pilipinas nagsimula na yan hindi pa pinapanganak mga magulang mu. Lumala ang utang nun panahon ni Marcos. Sabi naman ni Cory imbes ideclare na bankrupt tayo, cge bayaran narin kahit paunti unti. hanggang umabot na nga sa panahon ni Gloria. Over time naging CYCLE na ang ganito. Lam mu yon BAYAD-UTANG, UTANG-BAYAD. Ngayon etong WB-IMF naman sabi cge utang lng kayo ng utang basta ipramis nyo na kalahati ng badyet nu e ibabayad nyo sa interes, ipaprivitize ang mga tgapaghatid ng serbisyong sosyal, idedevalue nu ang pera nu, ioopen nu ang market nu, ganito ang quota nu sa pagiimport ng bigas, itataas nu ang buwis. BRAT KASI TONG US-WB-IMF. Yang mga yan ang tinatawag na structural adjustment programs. Sana naman narinig mu na kun anu mga un. paano hindi lolobo sa 4trillion ang utang gaya ng sinasabi mu e ang taas ng interes at sa pamamagitan ng mga tuta gaya ni Gloria e pinipilit tayo na umutang pa ng umutang. Ngayon sino ba ang mga taong tumututol dito? Mismong mga aktibista! tangina ka. Kaya hindi ko rin lubos maisip kun bakit ka pa naging advocate ng laissez faire kun ayaw mu na taasan ang buwis? Hindi nagtutugma e.
Hindi porke’t tinatanaw namin ang pangangailangan sa isang gobyerno e umaayon na kami sa mga kabulukan nito. Kun ayaw mu sa isang gobyerno pwes lumayas ka! Bumuo ka ng sariling mung bansa sa Sierra Madre.
Be careful rin of wat u wish for anarchist. kun nabuhay ka panahon ng lumang Amerika e matagal ka ng pinugutan ng ulo!
Yabang mu din nu. Ni obvious ka nga kahit newspaper di ka nagbabasa e. Shift ka nalang sa fiction writing. Mahirap makahanap ng audience sa mga diskusyon patungkol sa pulitika at ekonomiya kun ganyan ang lohika mu.
Stupid, moron, goddamn go to hell. You are just too stupid to appreciate or even comprehend the idea of thinking radically and critically. Go bathe in your own elitist, capitalist world you dumbass.
@ Margaritaqueen.
Where’s your argument? I observed that your grammar is so grossly problematic. Are you from UP? Well, that explains it. You’re like a Jejemon blogger. I somehow skim through your pathetic, stupid blog and I found nothing but emptiness and ignorance.
One line stated: “I am now a chain smoker, and my lunch is coke zero, always and forever.” What?!!!
All those expletives you ranted above: dumbass, moron, stupid- are applicable to you… Because you are really a moron, stupid, and dumbass…
Hi, one screening question since you’ve adorned such aforementioned websites as your, how do I say it, “sources”: Have you read the basic traditions of sociology? Have you heard of such thing as sociological imagination? I’m not trying to insult your bibliography. I’m just looking for a safe stand before I criticize this post.
I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this blog. Your arguments are totally baseless. One day you’ll eat your words. Time will come when you’ll have your own college kids. And let’s just say at that time, you’ve used up your money and you can’t afford private schools. Look your children in the eye and tell them “Education is NOT a right. Since we can’t afford private schools, you don’t have to study anymore. Have a good life.”
This is all hypothetical of course. But you get the point. 🙂
One day, it’s you who will eat your ignorance and empty brain…
You know what? If calling us UP students stupid because we, as you say, are wasting the money of taxpayers (and my parents are taxpayers too, if i may add) is making you happy, then by all means continue. After all, we are the ones studying in UP and not you. 😛
Hi dear, please check your grammar. It’s irritating. Kthnxbye.
Where? Kindly cite a few lines? Another bitter, envious, pathetic UP supremacist? Don’t you have any argument, dear. Kayo ang maraming grammar lapses… Pakisabihan mo mga kasama mong bopols…
Okay, so I have to point it out because you can’t seem to point out for yourself. That’s convenient. 🙂
1. This student protest is indeed symbolic one. –> missing an article, don’t you think?
2. But it has the power to confiscate a portion of the hard-earned money of those who work and produce wealth, which is the power of taxation –> fragment much?
I don’t think I need to cite more, it’s such a waste of time and PLEASE don’t talk about arguments with me, it’s pointless. You’re attack will always be ad hominem.
UP people are supremacists? Hark who’s talking. Please read this blog again and check the dictionary about the definition of what a SUPREMACIST is.
Oh and jsyk, I am not from UP honey.
@ barrycyrus
Another Jejemon, stupid blogsite from a so-called supremacist UPian… IDIOTBOX for an idiot blogger. That’s applicable to you. Too many syntax errors, grammar problem, etc…
But I have to re-post what Libertarian wrote above since you’re a MORON.
Do you know what plagiarism is? Kindly cite examples of copy-pasted online items not were NOT properly cited? Plagiarism is borrowing of ideas, quotations, and entries from another author/writer without proper attribution. Is this offense committed here? This is done by your favorite newspaper columnists. When the blogger posted UP’s meaning of Oblation and the opinion of Mr. Tolentino, he acknowledged the source of the information and provided links to the entries borrowed. Is this plagiarism?
When the blogger quoted Ayn Rand and others, he acknowledged the source of the information. Is this plagiarism. This is an OPINION entry, not a thesis or dissertation. Do you know the difference between the two, stupid freshie? Do you ever know what you’re talking about?
The rest of your rants is NONSENSE, as you’re simply exposing your plain idiocy!
“Moron?” “Plagiarism?”
That’s how you get back at my question? Seriously? How profound of you. You deserve a Nobel.
First of all, I’m not implying that you’re being a plagiarist troglodyte for that matter; I’m just politely asking if you’ve read or, fine, browsed over the concept of sociology, a branch of social science that you’re not 100-percent-possibly aware of. Because if it surprises you, a good knowledge of it can help you realize that Opinions Are Made To Be Substantial Unlike This Heaven-sent Blog Post. Honestly, that’s the question. And not-so-stupidly, you don’t get it. Do you even know what “plagiarism” is? Gosh. Now that’s understandable.
Second, why are you attacking my “IDIOTBOX for an idiot blogger[…] too many syntax errors, grammar problem, etc”? I feel that you have no right since even if I’m 19, I know what I’m talking about. You’re not competent enough for me. I’m not being “supremacist,” as how you label me. I’m just being blunt. If I copyedit this entire beautiful blog of yours, you’ll regret you even blogged in the first place.
Hah! You’re lucky you can even type. This ends now.
PS How dare you call me “jejemon” and “moron.” Is that the best terms you’ve got? I won’t label you that way cos that’ll be redundant for your part.
If we’re dumb, then ano ka pa? Tuldok?
@ Tsssss na saksakan ng yabang.
Simple. You are NOTHING. You’re being a UPian is no guarantee at all. Passing the UPCAT is like passing a simple entrance test, your only advantage is that you’re being subsidized by the government. It means you’re simply BEING HELPED. That is, YOU ARE A PARASITE.
Now, I’m dying to see a good argument. Many of you ridicule the author for being biased or irrational and the blog for being illogical or pathetic, but I’d like to see how you’re going to refute the blog. Is this not easy to get?
Matagal nang nairefute ang blog post na to. Di na nyo naman kasi binabasa instead u strawmen reply sa mga posts na kaya nyo insultuhin. You guys dnt even have arguments of ur own to support froivinber. wat u guys do e post and repost ang mga post ni froi na talagang nakakaumay na. and then add more kun anu maisip nyong insulto para to create an illusion na marunong din kayo. Ang mga reply naman ni froi e puro paguulit nang kanyang mga ideya. (Read: pilit ng pilit e hindi nga tama)
bata.. “Ignorance is your new bestfriend..”
hindi mo pa kasi kabisado ang ikot ng mundo kaya mo nasasabi yan.
and the grammar? please, pakicheck.
@ palasingsingan
Tanda… Yang sinabi mo- “Ignorance is your new bestfriend..” ay para sa ‘yo. Basahin mo ulit ang blog at pati na rin yong iba.
Isa ka na naman sa insecure na bobong taga-UP no? Nasaan ang grammar errors? Paki-cite a few examples, please…
@ Galit sa BOBONG TAGA-UP kasi sayang pera ng taxpayers.
Tanga ka ba? Lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas ay taxpayers.
Lala-la-lala.
@ ApirApirApir.
What?!!!!! BOBO KA NGA. At ang kapal pa ng mukha mong tawagin akong tang. Don’t you know that there’s tax exemption in the country. All those earning below P120,000 a year are exempted from paying for their taxes. STUPID KA NGA!
What a hasty generalization. Pati ba students nagbabayad kahit sabihin na nating walang tax exemption. MAG-REPLY KA, STUPID!
Everyone pays taxes, directly or indirectly. Ang UP Students katulad rin ng ibang tao ay bumibili ng mga school supplies, mga damit, shampoo, sabon, deodorant, at kung ano ano pa. At ang lahat ng mga bagay na ‘yun ay may tax, am I right?
Oh my! HAHAHAHHAHA! You’re so funny.:)) Alam mo, wala kang karapatang tawaging bobo ang mga UP students.:)) ALAM MO YUNG VAT? TAX PO KASI YUN! Kung di mo alam ibig sabihin nun. Yun ay Value Added Tax. Okay? Gets mo ba?:))
Pag bumili ka sa grocery, supermarket, fastfood or sa kahit saan, lahat yun may VAT o napatungan na ng VAT. Okay? HAHAHAHA
Bobo pala ah. HAHAHA! Inulit ulit mo pa yun STUPID! HAHHAA! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
HAHAHHAHAHAHA! EPIC FAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL.:))
alam mo.. kung sino ka man, kung ano ka man tae ka, wag kang feeling Ayn Rand. Ni wala ka pa sa katiting ng kulangot sa kuko ni Ayn Rand. I have no arguments for you. You don’t deserve any. You’re just a twisted, perverted follower of Ayn Rand and her essentials of objectivity. Kung buhay pa man sana si Ayn Rand ngayon, malamang nangangati na yong sampalin ka sa mukha ng paulit-ulit. Anyway, i find your way of defending yourself amusing but of course.. typical – making puppet accounts. You make yourself look more like a dumbass.
Ay may wrong grammar ako shit. Tanga ko naman, kakadepress.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :]]
OT: Has anyone ever seen “United Red Army,” a movie about the student activist movement in Japanese universities in the sixties? It speaks a lot about my opinion regarding activists in general, at least those with a leftist orientation.
Dear sir,
Your blog is the ultimate caricature of today’s elitist and individualist intellectual youth.
Let’s inductively deconstruct why education is a right.
1. Do you agree that you are an intelligent and knowledgeable being?
2. Yes? Do you agree that a large chunk of your intelligence and knowledge comes from primary, secondary, and tertiary education? If your answer is no, go to 3. If your answer is yes, go to 4.
3. Do you believe that not all humans are capable of becoming intelligent and knowledgeable through means other than education? If yes, go to 4. If no, don’t be stupid, think about the question again.
4. Do you agree that, without your intelligence and knowledge, you will live a lowly, undeveloped life?
5. Yes? Do you agree that everyone should have a right to be given the chance to develop himself/herself?
If your answer to 5 is no, congratulations, you are not even human enough to be debated with. If your answer is yes, then consider these arguments:
1. Every human being has a right to develop himself or herself.
2. Human development requires the development of intelligence and knowledge.
3. Many if not most humans need education to enhance their intelligence and knowledge.
ERGO, to fulfill argument 1, we need to institutionalize access to education as a right.
I don’t think I have to answer you… Because you so amused me, I posted a portion of your comment on my FB wall…
Wow that’s the only thing you can say in response to a philosophical argument, Mr. Honesty, Integrity, Objectivity. I wouldn’t call this tiny speck in the world wide web a space for intellectual masturbation, because there’s nothing to masturbate. Try visiting the UP campus, it’s one hell of an orgasm out there.
Wala na tayong magagawa sa utang ng Pilipinas.. at ang utang ay dapat naman talagang bayaran.. Saan kukuha ang gobyerno ng pondo para panatilihing mababa ang matrikula sa mga pambansang paaralan? dadagdagan ba dapat nila ang hinihingi nilang tax mula sa mga mamayan? at kung talagang ang edukasyon ay isang karapatan (ayos sa Konstitusyon).. kapag nais kong mag-aral sa UP, ay dapat payagan ito kahit na hindi ako pumasa sa Standards o sa CAT ng nasabing Unibersidad.
Karamihan sa mga pampublikong paaralan ng elementarya at sekondarya, ay hindi nakakatamo ng matinong edukasyon (dahil sa madaming dahilan) na nagreresulta sa mga estudyante nito na hindi tanggapin sa isang Pambansang Unibersidad katulad ng UP.
Hindi lang mga estudyante nu UP ang estudyante sa Pilipinas.. Maraming tao ang nagpapagod magtrabaho upang mapadala ang kanilang mga anak sa mga pribadong unibersidad marahil kailangan nating tanggapin na OO ang edukasyon ay isang karapatan ngunit ang mataas na uri ng edukasyon ay isang pribelehiyo na.
i say…. try passing the UPCAT, then enroll in UP first na bracket A, knowing na you should pay lower than 1.5 k per unit dahil isang state university ang UP. you’ll realize how wrong you are.
marami ang nais makapasok sa UP dahil nga mura ang tuition fee pero maganda pa rin ang edukasyon. marahil marami na nga ang mayayamang mag aaral sa UP subalit nariyan parin ang libo libong mga mag aaral na galing sa low class pero gustong makapag aral sa nais na maiahon ang ang kanilang pamilya sa kahirapan. pero dahil nga nagtaas na ang tuition fee at kakaunti na lamang ang budget na nilalaan para sa UP, pati ang mga mag aaral na mahihirap kailangan dumaan sa butas ng karayum bago mapunta kahit man lang sa bracket C. may kaibigan ako simula pa nung 1st year college. nakukwento niya sa akin ang hirap ng kanyang pamilya. nagtatrabaho siya para lang magkabaon sa isang araw. yung pang enroll niya INUUTANG na lang niya dahil bracket B siya samantalang sa lagay ng financial status ng kanyang pamilya, bracket E dapat siya. Nanay lang niya ang bumubuhay sa kanya at sa mga kapatid pa ng nanay niya na may pamilya rin. May sakit pa ang kanyang kuya. Isipin mo iyon. ngayong third year lang siya naging bracket D. to think na ang tagal tagal nang ganoong ang situation niya.
marami pang ibang mag aaral sa UP na mas mahirap pa siguro ang situation kesa sa kaibigan ko. At marami rin akong kilala na ganyan. eh ikaw may kilala ka ba na ganyan ang situation? kung meron, ano ginawa mo? tinulungan mo ba? binayaran mo ba tuition fee niya? sige since ang dating na education para sa iyo ay luxury, magpaulan ka naman ng free coupons for eduction nang hindi na mahirapan ang mga taong katulad ng kaibigan ko. nang hindi na sila umutang. siyempre sa education na ipapaulan mo sana katulad ng edukasyon na ibinibigay ng UP.
Kung magsalita ka, parang galing ka sa UP. eh halata naman sa mga pinagsasabi mo na walang wala kang alam sa situation ng UP ngayon. tumaas ang tuition fee ng UP pero walang pa gaanong nagbabago sa facilities nito.kung meron man, BILANG NA BILANG lang. mas pinapaganda pa yung mga parks,paint ng building,etc.
isang Karapatan ang Edukasyon. magbasa ka nga ng Philippine consti.
and let me say this, TAXPAYER ANG MGA MAGULANG KO!
ang masasabi ko lang sa gumawa nito…
malas mo di ka nabigyan ng utak ng magulang mo.
pero wag ka mag-alala di na dadami pa ang mga katulad mo
itutumba ko ang magulang mo
lolo mo
lola mo
at buong salinlahi nyo
at titiyakin kong bago pa lumaki ang magiging anak mo
itutumba ko na din sya
kalabisan na yun kapag nadagdagan pa ang mundo
ng isa pang kasing BOBO mo
KILALA KITA
NAKAKASALUBONG MO AKO ARAW-ARAW NG BUHAY MO
MINSAN KATABI MO PA NGA AKO E
BIBIYAKIN KO ULO MO AT LALAGYAN KO NG BRIP KO
AT LEAST MAGKALAMAN MANLANG ULO MO
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Sige na. Paniwalaan mo na dapat mong paniwalaan. Isulat mo na ang gusto mong isulat. Hangang dyan lang naman ang kaya mo. Hindi mo namang magagawang isa-pribado ang mga SUCs tulad nang gusto mo, hindi ka naman makakapagsusulat ng sarili mong constitution na gugustuhing ipatupad dito sa Pilipinas at higit sa lahat di mo kakayaning mabuhay mag-isa sa sarili mong gobyerno.
Nakakapagod rin paliwanagan ang isang mal-edukadong tulad mo sa kung bakit karapatan at dapat ibigay ng estado ang quality and accessible education. Sinasayang lang naming ang oras namin sa pagpapaliwanag sa’yo. Pinapaaral kami ng gobyerno sa paniniwalang balang araw ay kami ang bubuhay ay magpapa-unlad ng bansa natin, SERVE the PEOPLE ang nakatatak sa utak namin. Nahihiya tuloy ako sa mga “productive people” dahil sa pagsasayang ng oras at effort sa pagbabasa at pagcocomment sa blog mo. Sila nga pala ang tumutustos sa pag-aaral namin, at marapat lamang na suklian namin sila ng higit na kapakipakinabang na gawain kesa sa pagbibigay pansin sa’yo. Pero dahil sa sobrang tinding emosyon at di pagsang-ayon na naramdaman ko nung nakita ko ‘to nasayang ko ang oras ko.
Gaano man karaming post na ANTI-UP at ANTI- “Right to education” ang maisulat at maipost mo, di mo pa rin mababago ang paniniwala naming lahat ng tao ay marapat lamang na makatangap ng wastong edukasyon. Eh kung kinakalaban mo pala yung mga nagsulat ng 1987 Constitution, members ng UNESCO at mga professors naming sa UP na inaakusahan mong “leftist”, eh di ikaw na. Ikaw na ang pinakamagaling! Pero sorry ka, kasi sila may nagawa. Ikaw? Bukod sa pasusulat at pagpopost sa blog na ito? WALA. DUDE, WALA! (Isa pa, ang sarap kasing sabihin eh) WAAAALAAAAA!!! Dami mo nang kinalaban wala ka naming ibang napatunayan, puro lang salita.
Isuggest, kung gusto mong maraming maniwala sa’yo kesa icritik at tawaging kang bobo, magturo ka kaya. OO. TAMA, subukan mong ituro yang mga pilosopiyang sinasamba mo. Eh di palitan mo na yung mga “leftist” naming mga prof. Ewan ko na lang kung hindi ka mafiring squad ng tanong ng mga magiging estudyante mo. Pero, seriously dude. Try to consider teaching in UP, tapos ‘yan ibigay mong readings eh lahat galing kay Rand. At isa pa, sayang yang dunong mo eh. Sinasayang mo lang sa pag-mamasterbate (intellectually).
Kung hindi naman eh di subukan mo na lang kayang magbungkal ng lupa. Mas magkaroon ka pa ng silbi kesa sa ginagawa mong intellectual masturbation ngayon. Baka dun maliwanagang ka ng bonggang bongga! Sama mo na din yung mga minions mong sina ‘ABOLISH UP” at ‘MISES’ atbp, ha?!
‘Wag kang mag-alala, pagkagraduate ko maghahanap ako agad ng trabaho para mabayaran ko yung lahat ng ginastos sa akin ng gobyerno. At para mapatunayan ko sa’yong hindi ako PARASITE tulad ng sinasabi mo, Mr. Bersamina.. Sigurado namang mga Pilipino din ang makikinabang sa mga napag-aralan ko kasi wala naman akong balak mangibambansa para dun maghanap ng mas magandang buhay para sa aking pamilya. Di kasi ako makasarili tulad mo kuya. Naiintindihan ko at nararamdaman ko ang tunay na problema at kalagayan ng masa.
Mas bilib pa ako kay Manang Mane kesa sa’yo eh. Kasi sya naiintindihan ang sentimento naming mga UPans.
Actually, mas pagsasayang ng oras at lakas ang pagbabasa ng blog mo at pakikipadiskusyon sa’yo kesa ang pagsusuot ng pula at pagmartsa sa kalsada habang isinisigaw ng buong puso ang “edukasyon! Edukasyon, karapatan ng mamayan!”.
P.S. Please tigilan na rin natin ang pagtawag sa isa’t isa ng kung anu-anong
di ka nais nais na pangalan. Kung hindi sila naniniwala sa pinaniniwalaan mo, wala kang
karapatan na tawagin silang ESTUPIDO, BOBO o MANGMANG dahil hindi ikaw ang nagpapakain sa kanila.
Paalam na sa’yo at sa iyong mga pilosopiyang makasarili, Ginoong FROILAN VINCENT BERSAMINA! Na-enjoy ako sa pagbabasa ng blog mo! Ipagpapalagay ko na lang na hindi ka nag-eexist. Patawarin mo ako dahil hindi ako makasariling tulad mo.. Sumalangit nawa ang iyong kaluluwa. Amen.
I must commend you for a well written article but, I must point out some errors that I see in what you have written.
Firstly you assume that in order to give more money for education, you must necessarily raise taxes. That is one way, but I think the intent of the rallying students is to ask the government to reallocate their budget. They could take away money from other departments, and put it into the education system, in order to provide better quality education. In this regard, it is the government’s call on whether they feel that one department may be sacrificed for the sake of education.
Secondly, for the sake of socialism, you assume that it would be impossible to fulfill all the needs of the people because it would be asking too much from the people. What you have to consider here is the willingness of the people; with a socialist government, we would increase taxes so that we may provide basic needs to all.
Now, let’s say that we have the capitalist and the socialist environment. Assume that you are a regular employee that obtains an average wage. Now let’s say that you suddenly are attacked by a sickness that requires an expensive operation. In a capitalist society, you would have to pay for this all by yourself and, considering your salary, you will end up with a large debt that will haunt you for many many years (and I am sure that this happens to many people in our country)
Now, with a socialist environment, your salary would be deducted substantially. You would have less earnings and therefore less to spend for your enjoyment, but would still have enough to survive. Once that sickness comes, you would no longer have to worry about paying hospital bills because it would be provided for you, and you could live life normally as if nothing happened.
With capitalism, there is a way to prevent this situation called insurance. Insurance, though, is very expensive. Most people who have a lower than average salary would not be able to afford insurance. With socialism though, you can think of it as a collective insurance. This would make it cheaper and more available to all.
And that is only one situation. There are many other situations that socialism can help prevent. The beauty of this system is that everyone *shares* whether they like it or not. In this case, it would be as if the rich were to be funding the health of the poor and the poor would still be funding themselves, but not as much.
For the rich, this seems like a lose situation (unless you actually have a heart and are not a soulless greedy pig) and for the poor it would be a win situation. For the middle class, it would be dependent.
For the middle class, if you are the kind of person that likes to have security and thinks of the future, this is useful. But if you are the person who is irresponsible and thinks only of the present, then you would be appalled to think of paying for something you might not even need. Those people end up regretting their lifestyles in the end.
Therefore, I believe your description of the oblation is a paradox. You are correct that he is an individual fighter, and not a person that sacrifices for the multitude, but the reason that he fights is because the multitude are greedy, inconsiderate people, and the battle he is fighting for is that which is for the good of all the people. If only the people would realize that it is for their good will he become a sacrifice for the people.
napansin nyo ba na puro “my critics are idiots” ang tema ng mga reply ng blogger na to?di man lang nya inaacknowledge ang mga valid points na binibigay ng mga nagcocomment sa kanya at di nya din inaako ang mga maling points na ni-raise nya. my point is, this guy is a close-minded POS na kahit anong poke and prod ang gawin eh talagang ganito sya. andami dami ng comments na nakapagenlighten sakin about the topic and about the blogger’s rock-for-a-brain. i think it’s time we let it all rest and leave this guy alone. all i can say is that i pity him for being, uhmm.. him. have a nice day all of you.
ps. up grad ako, oo naiintindihan kta blogger, naiintindihan ko na hindi mo maiintindihan ang sitwasyon ng mga tulad namin kasi iba ka. parang awa mo na lang, wag mo na subukang i-explain ang hindi mo alam. tanging mga taga-up at kahit papano’y related sa sistema ng up ang makakaintindi nito.
Your definition of ‘right’ undermines the very foundation of how the human civilization was built. Man’s right to ‘pursuit of happiness’ cannot be separated from another man’s ‘right to life’. Taking the argument further, you should not question a mother’s abandonment of her baby because it is her own pursuit of happiness but then how about the baby’s right to life? Destruction of collectivity means destruction of families because family, in its most basic definition, is a collective of individuals. But this argument is being extremist and unrealistic.
On being realistic. If for example, I produce soap, I am a CEO of a soap manufacturing company. I need people to buy my soap so I contract advertising agencies, I have my Marketing Department, I produce TV, radio, print ads. I create a need that is addressed to the general population – which will become my buyers. Ultimately, I care for what those people think. I care for their behavior because their behavior will dictate my pursuit of happiness. That means, I can’t exist as an individual. I need people to fund me my wealth, my gain.
I produce soap. I need energy. I can generate my own (diesel) or use the existing circuit (coal). In a way, I take part in the reason for burning organics to produce energy. I take part in producing more and more carbon dioxide and then in a way, I contribute to global warming. I need my company to grow (my pursuit of happiness) and so I produce and sell more soap and so I need more energy and so I need more coal burned. I am but a single soap manufacturer. There’s leather, clothes, electronics, cars, gadgets, entertainment, lots of industries who rely on consumerism for growth. Global warming cause the oceans to rise and the people of Kiribati in the Pacific Ocean to lose their home. And so, indirectly, I take part in the cause of having the people of Kiribati lose their right of life. My pursuit of happiness to their right of life.
That was a funny argument. On a more direct example, consider me as a budding coal-fired power plant owner. I have this property near a residential area. When I burn coal, the residents get lung diseases. It is my property, it is my right what I want to do with my property. But my right to pursuit my happiness kills others’ right to life.
You cannot single out an individual separate from other individuals. While you advocate your own personal growth, it will be, in any way, at the expense of others. That is where the legal rights come in. That is the reason why we have rules, why have constitutions, why have governments. To protect the welfare of the general population from the excesses of certain individual pursuits of happiness. That is why we have education for the poor, to make them competitive with other individuals’ pursuits.
You advocate the right of an individual to act on its own but you didn’t question US’s intervention on on other countries’ policies. You didn’t speak about US pushing Japan to retain the former’s military bases. You didn’t question why US asks North Korea for disarmament when the US’s very own nuclear arms can crush the entire world in a single day. You might have forgotten how the US government and institutions are so wary of Chavez and Venezuelan policies that they never cease criticizing the latter. You didn’t essay how US continuously talks out the Philippine government to sign another VFA. Now that’s a global ‘mind your own business please’.
Your context-dropping is simply hilarious and yet you came up with nothing but gibberish.
“Your definition of ‘right’ undermines the very foundation of how the human civilization was built.”
Kindly expound on this statement, please?
You said: “Man’s right to ‘pursuit of happiness’ cannot be separated from another man’s ‘right to life’.”
Who said so? I said the right to life is the basis, foundation of all other rights. I repeat: “The concept of a “right” pertains only to action—specifically, to freedom of action. It means freedom from physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other men.”
And “[t]he right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”
Do not drop the context of what I wrote. Read the entire blog again and its appurtenances.
You said: “Taking the argument further, you should not question a mother’s abandonment of her baby because it is her own pursuit of happiness but then how about the baby’s right to life?”
How is this statement related to my arguments against “the right to education.” A mother who abandoned her child must be held liable to the government whose role is to protect individual rights. A child has no ability to survive on its own. Your understanding of “the pursuit to happiness” is very sloppy, outlandish and painfully funny. The “pursuit to happiness” does not mean you have to disregard the rights of others. That is not the proper way how to live on earth.
You said: “Destruction of collectivity means destruction of families because family, in its most basic definition, is a collective of individuals.”
This is simply an example of a sentence that doesn’t make any sense at all. It is bereft of reason and sound argument. Know the proper meaning of collectivism and individualism. Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. It regards man as an end in himself and not the means to the ends of others. Collectivism means the opposite. Collectivism regards man as the means to the ends of others. In this debate, collectivism regards the taxpayers as the means to helping those who can’t send their children to school. In collectivism, there are sacrifices. In individualism, there are only mutual consent and agreements between and among parties. Further, a family is a collection of individuals related to each other by blood or even affinity. A family has no rights because it is not a human being. A society has no rights because it is not a living being. Only a living human has rights, and that is the right to life, liberty, property, and his pursuit of happiness.
You said: “But this argument is being extremist and unrealistic.”
Whose argument? Yours, definitely!
You said: “On being realistic. If for example, I produce soap, I am a CEO of a soap manufacturing company. I need people to buy my soap so I contract advertising agencies, I have my Marketing Department, I produce TV, radio, print ads. I create a need that is addressed to the general population – which will become my buyers. Ultimately, I care for what those people think. I care for their behavior because their behavior will dictate my pursuit of happiness. That means, I can’t exist as an individual. I need people to fund me my wealth, my gain.”
This is very crude and funny! What do you mean you can’t exist as an individual. Do you mean to say your existence depends upon the approval, happiness, or agreement of others? That is Kantian at best. Perhaps you believe in the existence of a noumenal and phenomenal world. If that’s the mentality of a business person then he will surely not exist in the market. A businessman’s goal is to make profit. Business is about profit. Read Atlas Shrugged.
You said: “I produce soap. I need energy. I can generate my own (diesel) or use the existing circuit (coal). In a way, I take part in the reason for burning organics to produce energy.”
How is this related to my argument? Individualism doesn’t mean man is an island. Individualism means other people must leave him alone and stop imposing responsibility on him. It means a trader relationship. A business person gives something for value for if he turns his business into a charity, then he wouldn’t last long. A business person has to hire the most competent and most efficient people he could find and pay them their appropriate salary. He doesn’t hire people base on their needs. He hires people according to their competence and ability.
You said: “I take part in producing more and more carbon dioxide and then in a way, I contribute to global warming.”
Global warning is the most outrageous myth ever invented in history. This explains it. Your epistemology and metaphysics are purely crude and worrisome.
You said: “I need my company to grow (my pursuit of happiness) and so I produce and sell more soap and so I need more energy and so I need more coal burned. I am but a single soap manufacturer. There’s leather, clothes, electronics, cars, gadgets, entertainment, lots of industries who rely on consumerism for growth. Global warming cause the oceans to rise and the people of Kiribati in the Pacific Ocean to lose their home. And so, indirectly, I take part in the cause of having the people of Kiribati lose their right of life. My pursuit of happiness to their right of life.”
Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about. A business person’s pursuit of happiness is not what you’re talking about. The Right to the Pursuit of Happiness means man’s right to live for himself, to choose what constitutes his own private, personal, individual happiness and to work for its achievement, so long as he respects the same right in others. It means that man cannot be forced to devote his life to the happiness of another man nor of any number of other men. It means that the collective cannot decide what is to be the purpose of a man’s existence nor prescribe his choice of happiness.
You said: “That was a funny argument.”
Which one? Yours definitely because it appears you made your reply without reading the whole blog, which is a sign of dishonesty. If you read the whole blog and its appurtenances, you wouldn’t appear very crude, ignorant and funny.
You said: “n a more direct example, consider me as a budding coal-fired power plant owner. I have this property near a residential area. When I burn coal, the residents get lung diseases. It is my property, it is my right what I want to do with my property. But my right to pursuit my happiness kills others’ right to life.”
It is very clear that you have a very problematic, chronic understanding of rights. This is a good example of context dropping, which means you omit the important elements of what I said and then highlight what you think could suit your funny, outlandish argument. A person’s “pursuit of happiness” is not to kill others. THAT IS SELF-DESTRUCTION AT BEST.
I have explained very clearly and extensively the relation of the role of government to man’s rights. The role of the government is TO PROTECT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, and man has the RIGHT TO HIS LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY, AND HIS PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. If, based on your very funny example, your “coal-fired power plant” led to the destruction of lives, the government, being the protector of individual rights, must step in and make the owner of that plant pay for damages and/or be incarcerated. That is why every society’s court system must be strongly impartial! We must have objective, impartial courts!
Upon seeing that you have a very problematic understanding of rights, I told my self this is not worth answering. But for the benefit of everybody, especially those who are willing to think, I had to answer it.
You’re already convinced leftists are stupid. There’s no point arguing with you. But I want to express my amazement on how you built your mindset and formed your logic – there is, actually. I understand your flow of thought. Sure, it makes sense. But like many leftist I know, you are quite hostile. You have a very strong personality. In other words, stubborn.
The way you write your thoughts isn’t very welcoming to new ideas, or critics. It’s an announcement of your own. Like most UPians, mayabang ka.
It’s sad though that throughout this “discourse” there wasn’t much learning on the writer’s and readers’ sides. I felt very uncomfortable reading through much of what was said.
I will read the rest of your posts and study how you think. And I will look into ways to debunk your belief system. XD It may be a waste of time, but it’s worth a try.
The leftists are the scourge of poverty and ignorance. They are the stupidest species on earth… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/the-insane-logic-of-stupid-socialists/
Wow. Before I read the Insane Logic of Stupid Socialists, you kept reminding me of the Nazis. ‘Yon pala, I reminded you of them too. Hahaha. K. I guess it’s not worth a try after all.
Good luck with your anti-Socialism. Everyone else is going towards it. That’s why I like Barack Obama. The socialism political view is so going pop and cool now in the US too.
Remember fellow UP students!
He hates us therefore we do not have the “right” to have our own opinion. Hence, we are stupid. 🙂
That is his unquestionable logic. 😀
Hindi ako nag-aral sa UP (my parents and elder bro were) but kasuklamsuklam ang pinagsasabi niya. abolish UP? kiss our ass Froilan Vincent Bersamina!! I’d bet you failed at UPCAT so bad, you now rattle off like this.
education not a right? here’s someone who did not take consti class seriously and lifts quotes from books by FOREIGN authors who don’t know jack about life in the Philippines. red-baiting won’t take you anywhere, loser!
‘Education is not a right’ your ass..sino ba itong pseudo-intellectual na ito. Gutom lang yan ser.Mag-abroad ka nalang.Wala kang silbi sa Pinas.
Mabuti pa itong si Dr Jones concise at may sense.
Kayo naman pinatulan nyo pa, nagpapansin lang naman sya e. 🙂
@Kebs!
True. Someone just needs a hug! Come here you li’l love-deprived student who (probably) failed the UPCAT. 😀
Onga eh. Half trying hard to get some trash talking to si kuya. Sino kasing taga-UP ang nam-bully dito nung bata pa sya? HAHAHA. Bigyan nga yan ng beer. Rakenrol, Kuya.
I pity you. 🙂 Get out of your comfort zone. Masyado kasing komportable ang buhay mo kaya mo nagagawang sabihin iyan. YOU never knew what is it like to be poor. YOU never knew how hard it is to struggle to study and work at the same time just to get a good education. In short, you’re just plain rich, spoiled and selfish brat who care less about the plight of others.
You gave us a challenge and I challenge you too: go to a squatters area or a far-away barrio in the countryside. Go there and preach your doctrines and principles if you are indeed serious about your so-called advocay for free market capitalism. Your blog is just full of non-sense theories and doctrines if you cannot apply it in the real world.
And by the way, tutal mukha namang marami kang pera, why don’t you go try visit the Scandinavian countries in Europe, they promote socialism by the way and from what I’ve heard, they’re doing pretty well.
Another leftist idiot who appeal to emotion and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Ack. What violent reactions.
Well, I’m a product of public schools–Manila Science High and UP Diliman. I am now a productive member of society so, in my case, the gov’t-funded education worked.
Unfortunately, I am also going to have to say that when I was in college, I saw that most students just didn’t study! Kaya nga may–anong tawag dun? Maximum residency rule or something–kasi ang mga studyante, imbis na mag-aral nang mabuti, sinasayang lang ang edukasyon nila sa paglalasing, pagbabarkada, paglalandi, etc. I’m not going to plead innocent here–I spent a lot of time doing those other things, too!
So I do believe that education is a right of every human being. But a college education? Nope. That has to be earned. Guys, don’t kill me. Let me just point out that the richest people in the world didn’t go to or finish college so college isn’t really important.
Blog author, I think you have a valid point here but maybe you weren’t able to get it across well. Or maybe it’s so long kasi so people just read your first few paragraphs and lost patience for the rest.
I, too, think that there are some points worthy of consideration. However, it’s not just the actual length of the entry that made it long as it is also bombarded with assumptions, hasty generalizations and an obvious bias against UP.
pa-profound ka lang…in terms of content, kabobohan at kabitteran pinagsasasabi mo.
di ka siguro nakapasa ng UPCAT! poor you.
kahit di mga nakapag-aral alam na karapatan ng mamamayan ang edukasyon.
@ Stoopid ka.
Eto ang sagot ng blogger sa mayabang mong post na walang kwenta… Kung taga-UP ka, PROVE IT!
So, you want to abolish UP because some student activists are demanding for a higher state subsidy? Okay. But what about those who are NOT complaining; those who go on with their life and are determined to make a difference in their country without causing a RIOT? I say we stop arguing and help each other out. Our country’s messed up as it is, so why make the situation worse?
Hi. Bakit ang kulit mo. Seryoso.
Ilang beses ba na sasabihin sayo na RIGHT nga ang edukasyon.
RIGHT! RIGHT! RIGHT! RIGHT!
Kung buhay lang ang Philippine Constitution bingi ka na sa kakasigaw niya sayo.
Tska, please lang ah. Anong klaseng pagiinarte yung pinagsasabi mo na nagiging threat na ang UP? Dahil sa mga activists? Hoy, kuya! Ikaw talaga! Hindi naman kasi nagrarally sa labas para lang makakontra sa gobyerno. Kaya may mga nagrarally, kasi merong mali. Dinaan na sa usap, ilang taon na, wala pa ring pagbabago – kaya nagrarally. Tska grabe ka naman, nagiisip din naman kami. Hindi lang binabasta basta ang mga rally, kuya. Pinagiisipan yan ng mabuti. Kung bigla kang nagulat na “Ay sh*t, may rally na pala?!”, aba! Ibig sabihin di ka mulat sa issue na ipinaglalaban! Di mo alam, matagal na pala pinagusapan yun pero wala pa ring makamasang conclusion kaya nagrally! Ganun yun! O, gets? Grabe ha, sobrang simple nun, ulitin ko?
Nagrarally-kasi-may-mali-hindi-dahil-epal-lang-kami-na-papansin. K?
Kung magsalita ka naman kasi kala mo ang galing ng gobyerno natin. Bakit sa mga aktibista mo binabato yang galit mo sa gobyerno! Oo, kuya. Sa gobyerno ka galit. Hindi samin. Siguro hindi mo pa lang alam, pero sa kanila ka galit. OR. Baka sa sarili mo. Kasi ang galing mo sana pero hindi mo magawang magisip ng tuwid. Ewan ko ba sayo, diba sabi mo, you don’t care about our fight? O, eh bakit kung makabatikos ka naman kala mo asa gitna ka ng giyera? Ano hindi ka ba pumasa sa UPCAT kaya sukdulan ang galit mo sa UP?
Eto pa. (Kahit wala kang pakielam sa “fight” namin)
Ano ka ba, kuya. Hindi ibig sabihin na pinatataasan namin ang budget ng edukasyon, pinatataas namin ang tax ng taong bayan. Grabe ka naman. Tax payer din naman ang mga kamaganak ko. Ang gusto naming mga UP students, I-ALLOCATE NG MABUTI ang budget! Gets mo ba? Isa pa? Tama na. Mukang di mo naman kasi magegets eh.
Alam mo ba, isa ako sa mga estudyante ng UP na huling nakakuha ng murang tuition? P5,400 ang naging pinakamataas kong tuition. Yung mga sumunod na batch sakin umabot na ng 21K. Ang tanong, ano naman sakin? Bat ba ako nagrarally eh mura ang tuition ko? Nakachamba eh, umabot. Ano naman sakin kung maraming hindi makapasok sa kolehiyo gawa ng TOFI? Alam mo kung bakit?
May pakielam kasi ako. Try mo magkaron ng pakielam, libre kasi yun eh.
Alam mo, hopeless ka. HOPELESS. Sige na, magcomment ka na naman ng bonggang bonggang bongga! Gamitin mo ang galing mo sa pagsulat. Sige! Maganda kasi yung ginagawa mo. Naipapakita mo sa mga Pilipino kung anong mga kaisipan ang dapat na iniiwasan. Ang fun din kasi basahin ng comments. Nakakatuwa ang mga UP students na nagcocomment. Pati na rin sa mga hindi taga UP na napakatalino at naiintindihan ang adhikain ng mga iskolar ng bayan. Obvious na critical ang pag-iisip, matalino. Pero bukod dun, kitang kita rin na may pakielam sa kapwa. (O, pag sinabi mo na naman na selfish at sa UP students lang ang pakielam jusko. Basahin mo mula una hanggang dulo ang comments sa bongga mong blog.)
Nakikita kung ano ang pinagkaiba ng matalino lang sa matalinong may pakielam no?
Oh my gulay ka talaga.
P.S. Namatay na ko nung nagbigay ka ng sarili mong interpretation kay Oble dun sa isa mong blog. Bakit ka mas marunog sa gumawa? LOL
To a stupid UP supremacist… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/i-am-not-sorry/
Hmmm, you’re from UE right? That explains a lot. 😀
You’re from UP, right? That explains your intellectual hubris. 😀
Hahahaha. Okay. UE. Hahahahahaha. Now I know why you hate UP. 🙂
alien ka tey??? i think so… haha
To a stupid UP supremacist…
baka naman gusto mo lang makakuha ng certain number of comments, kaya mo nagawa itong blog na ito. xD
biro lang Froivinber
xD
dami kasi comments eh.
Tska bago ka magalit sa mga UP students na feeling mo ginagawang “slaves” ang taong bayan, magalit ka sa mga government officials na ipinangbibili ng mga bahay at kotse ang pera na dapat para sa bayan, para satin.
You said, “To All UP Students: Education is NOT a Right!”
“Yes, it is!” – The Philippine Constitution
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X: Very amusing. Blogger should be sent to Burma!
Y: God, not this guy again. He sucks. Living in his Objectivist world, He thinks that a purely libertarian world would do best. He is delusional, but just as much as those who think that pure Communism is the answer.
X: U know that guy? XD the blog was a piece of bull but still entertaining. we cant tell in the case of Communism because it never materialized. twas not even about Comm, the guy’s a right anarchist. XD
Y: Yep, guy’s for full blown Anarchy. I do wonder his background though. His philosophu of Randianism won’t stand once you strip him of everything and dump him in the middle of the slums. Of course, he’ll blame it on everyone around him or the… government. Also, note that he keeps on quoting Rand. Argument from authority right there. Also note the shitloads of strawmen. Leftist teachers? Sure, a good number of them are liberal leaning, but only around 2-5% of the faculty are actually fully commited Socialists/Communists. And if a student does ever get a prof like that, there’s always the option of shifting/dropping.
Guy’s an idiot alright, probably living in his marble palace made by the sweat of his parents. And if that is so, then by his own philosophy he shouldn’t be given an opportunity to stay in said house for he has not shed his brow on it.
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X: to base his worldview on a single person is idiocy. For that person to be Ayn Rand is madness.
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reading it and looking at every possible angle of it makes me sad.. not for you but to the very existing and irreversible fact that there is not a single human cell in your body… your heart is missing… and your head is not human… only an alien can think that way…
sa kapwa kong mga upian, hindi naman talaga nila maiinitindihan ang paniniwala na pinaglalaban natin… hindi naman natin kasalanan kung nakapasa tayo, nagkakamali, nagkakaisa at nilalagay ang ating sarili sa posisyon ng ating kapwa pilipino na naghihirap… at sa mga kapwa kong upian na naniniwala sa pinagsasabi niya, yes he has a point but nanaig sa kanya ang pagkakitid ng utak niya sa paniniwalang hindi naman niya lubusang naiintindihan dahil wala siyang dugo tulad ng atin… paniniwala niya na sa darating na panahon ay kakainin din niya… ate na nakagraduate na, tama ka diyan pero sa up lang ba meron niyan? hindi ba mas malala ang mga estudyante sa private university na tila nagtatapon lang din ng pera at kelan ka po ba nag-graduate? iba po kasi ang panahon noon sa ngayon.. hindi ko naman po kau kinekwestiyon eh…
ang sa akin lang, atin na lamang intindihin na minsan sa buhay ng mga nakapasok sa up may mga maling desisyon na nagawa pero kaw ba kuyang nagsulat nito ay hindi nakagawa ng pagkakamali at hindi nagastos ng napakalaking halaga na pera na mismong mga magulang mo ay ginawang mong alipin? maniwala ako ni isang araw hindi ka gumastos gamit ang pera ng magulang niyo po… ang mga magulang ba namin ay kasama sa mga taxpayers na pinagtatanggol mo? so, sa mga argumento mo ay inaaway mo din ang mga magulang namin? eh yang sperm cell mo na ilalabas mo at makabuo ng sarili mong anak kasama ang egg cell ng magiging asawa mo, wala ba silang karapatan na makakuha ng karapatan for quality education? may punto ka pero ang paniniwalang ginamot mo ay baluktot at lubak lubak..
sana nga lang, itinago mo na lang ang sarili mong paniniwala dahil hindi mo alam kung sino ang kinakalaban mo… kung naranasan mo maging isang upian, hindi ka magsasabi ng mga bagay na hindi mo lubusang naiintidihan.. alam mo, masyado ka ng lohikal na mag-isip at nakakalimutan mo na tao ka…
para lang yan isang kendi na inagaw mo sa isang bata at itatapon mo lang kapag hindi mo nagustuhan na hindi alam kung gaano ito pinapahalagahan o hindi inisip ang mararamdaman ng ibang tao. o kung sino nagbigay sa kanya ng kendi o hindi mo man lang inalam kung anong kendi un… ewan ko kung hindi mo pa gets, di ba? kuya, gumamit ka pa ng mga author na bigatin at hindi mo naman substantially nagamit para sa argumento mo at hindi ka naging holistic, open minded.. masyado kang na-stuck sa libro na hindi mo fully binabasa, cover to cover siguro pero between the lines?????? ano na tey!? nakalimutan mo???
well anyway, it’s you damn opinion at naniniwala ako KARMA is a BITCH… good luck sa yo….
10 or maybe 20 years from now this person if ever he takes a seat of power in the government start a change that will shake the very foundation of the educational system of this country…he is blatantly mad…a latent sociopath with destructive apathy towards his fellow. a clear elitist who didn’t really experience life outside his box of comforts.
Sana nga uso rin ang pagra-rally kahit papano sa UP Diliman. Sadly, dahil sa STFAP bracketing system, dumadami na ang mga studyanteng ‘may kaya’ quesa sa mga ‘nangangailangan’.
Naniniwala pa rin talaga ako na UP is able to level the playing field and cushion class struggle. Dapat pa rin iahon ang mga mahihirap nating kababayan through educational empowerment, just like the post-industrialized countries we admire and emulate, whose ‘poor’ people are sometimes far better off than our media clase.
cool guys! hahaha! hmm., got this from PNOY’s SONA:
“. . .ang hindi nabigyan ng pagkakataon na magaral, paano makakakuha ng trabaho, kung walang trabaho, paano magiging consumer, pano mag iimpok sa bangko?? . . . kung iisipin nating dadagdagan ko ang kakayahan ng aking kapwa, mag bububunga po ito at ang lahat ay mag kakaroon ng pag kakataon. . “
sus, papancn lng to’..alm nia kc na mpapancn xa kapag tinuligsa nia ang pagsulong ng rights ng mga studyante..basic na basic hindi pa alam? nax naman..
Is it really just UP who shouts out its protests? Or is it just that UP has the loudest voice calling out for their rights?
Do UP students really have the so called “superiority complex”? Yes. Why? Because we believe we are, and if needed we will prove it. Is that wrong? I don’t think so. All universities and colleges have their own school pride. Is that wrong? Being proud to be from your school is never wrong.
Do UP students fight for their own benefits? Their “rights” as you called it? Maybe. But we fight because we strongly believe that we should. Sometimes that’s what makes all the difference. What you believe in. If you can’t fight for what you believe, if you can’t defend what you know is right then what are you. Definitely not human, for time and time again it is what we believe in that defines our own humanity. It defines who we are, what we do. UP student rally and take to the streets cause they believe in something. They fight because deep inside they know that education is worth fighting for. It’s worth all the sacrifices, the hardship, and the criticism. That it’s worth their time. I wonder what thing you would be willing to give your life to? Or will you even bother to fight at all for something? Anything?
I don’t expect you to be sorry for what you wrote, but you can’t expect to be liked by a lot of people (UP students and most student activists are generally much more populous than the single you). I can imagine now the hate and fury of the people you just offended. Then they will pass it on to others, spreading the anger like wild fire. If your goal for creating a blog is to gain popularity and reader count then congratulations, you did just that. Knowing UP students, your name is probably being searched in Facebook or Twitter, your face wanted in every social networking site possible, only to post your blog and your face and name in the freedom boards to be mutilated and laughed at. It won’t harm you directly but I learned never to bet against UP students ability to make a person’s life miserable.
Oh by the way. If education isn’t a right but a privilege then I wonder what kind of people do you see the Philippines will contain? Squatters and beggars? Maids and for-sale-brides? Domestic helpers and prostitutes? Certainly it will contain people like you, but that would number only to a few thousand. What happens to the others? If so, then I pity you cause you are living in a dream that you will probably never wake up from. A dream that’s about to become true if nothing changes. Then it will be roughly equivalent to a nightmare. What we need are citizens that are innovators, inventors, businessmen, merchants, importers and exporters, entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, philosophers, artists, accountants, bankers, farmers, architects and educators. All would not be possible without the privilege of an education, the privilege of a RIGHT to a good education to make them what we need them to be: a good citizen. Take that away and we will all be living your nightmare.
With luck, that won’t happen as long as some are willing to fight for it. Willing to fight for a better future. Willing to fight for what they believe in. Never mind if it’s right or wrong. It’s always wrong to never fight for what you believe, and much worse not to believe in anything at all. You think they’re wrong? Let’s all hope you’re wrong about that, cause I prefer the future they are fighting for than the mediocricity you are arguing for.
honestly, this is pathetic, we honestly don’t care if you are sorry or not for the things you wrote in your blog, and we don’t really care much about what you think. No one is asking for an apology, or at least not me. No one can help it if you’re pompous and ignorant. Its just that you alienated a bunch of people, whether leftist or not for the belief that education is a right is not only a belief exclusive to leftists. Bottom line is, no one cares if you think that education is a right or not as long as you keep the dissertation as what it is, a dissertation. You are not offering perspectives, you’re acting as if you’re better, which you obviously are not. You need not address it to UP students, why not address it to PUP students who in truth are a lot more militant than UP students? It;s because you selected UP to be your contender, you chose to single out UP for whatever reason. You simulated controversy, because you feed on attention. You sought out to fight with people from the University, and you got what you wanted, so don’t bitch about it. 😀 peace.
sa nabasa ko dito, mali ang pinunto nitong kung sino man nag nagsulat nito. hindi manlang nya inisip iyong mga taong kinakapos sa pera. sabihin na nating pera talaga ang problema, kelangan bang ipalabas na may masamang ginagawa ang UP students? palibhasa hindi ka ata, oo IKAW, nakaranas ng kahirapan ehh. dapat inilagaya mo muna ang sarili mo sa posisyon ng mga katulad ng mga estudyante na naghihirap din. may karapatan sila. lahat ng tao hindi lang bata ang may karapatan sa edukasyon. tignan mo sa titulo mo pa lang walang kwenta na, tapos kung ano-ano pa ang pinag susualt mo dito. dapat ang pinunto mo dito at tinira mo ay iyong gobyerno natin.
I would really like to participate in a more enlightened discussion of the issues here, but in between all the bashing of UP students and non-UP students from all sides of the political spectrum, the important points just get lost in a haze of hate. Disgusting.
UP people, we should know better: DON’T BASH PEOPLE FROM OTHER SCHOOLS. UE, UST, Ateneo, whatever. We’re all college students, and the institution we belong to should not box us into some outdated pathetic stereotypes. UE is not worse than UP. Being from UP doesn’t necessarily make us any brighter either. I’ve met a lot of intelligent, open-minded individuals from La Salle, Ateneo, etc. Intelligence is not the monopoly of one institution.
Non-UP people, particularly those who have never had to worry about where the tuition money is coming from: our parents pay taxes too. We’re technically still paying for our education, and even when we graduate we’ll be paying for the education of future UP students. That’s a cost we accept. While you people are complaining about having Havaianas ruled out of your dress code or getting reprimanded for not wearing IDs, some of us wonder where we’re going to buy an affordable lunch or what’s the cheapest way to get home. Even the middle class is struggling in my university. So before you judge whether we’re stupid or not, I strongly suggest that some of you walk the talk, eat some isaw for lunch and find a good route from Diliman to Caloocan that won’t use half your allowance.
I’m not the biggest fan of activism, but Vincenton Post’s response to a critical issue has only proven why it is important. We need a counterbalance. For every activist in a red shirt yelling for higher subsidies, there’s a conservative on a blog telling us poor people shouldn’t have the chance to study at all.
I agree about the bashing. I’m from UP but I have friends from all over, from the richest to the lowest of low. Each one unique and have my utmost respect, either for their intelligence or their practical simplicity. No one should be called stupid cause that notion itself is stupid. We just have different set of skills and pool of knowledge. But that’s the point of a discussion, right? To pool our experiences and knowledge so that afterwards, when all the dusts settles and we go our ways, no one comes out superior from the other, just much more enlightened and more knowledgeable than before.
peace-out ^_^
Well yeah, nangba-bash lang naman ang mga taga UP kasi IN THE FIRST PLACE, kami yung binash.
At hindi naman necessity ang “counterbalance” na sinasabi mo. Ni hindi mo nga na-justify yung need for a counterbalance. Its just a rationalization on your part, gusto mo lang ng order in stuff. By this logic, for every rich person na nagi-induldge eh dapat may corresponding poor person na naghihirap? Nice ah.
1st You’re an ASS for writing this.
2nd You don’t know anything about UP. It is very obvious.
3rd Get lost.`Get a life.
@froivinber
Kamusta ka sa ivory tower mo? Sarap ba ng buhay diyan? Sorry ah, gusto lang talaga namin mabigyan ng pagkakataon ang napagkakait ng pagkakataon. Pasensya na kung sa tingin mo gusto namin maging parasites ah, hindi naman namin kasalanan kung *medyo* narrow minded ka. Wag mo sana i-direct samin frustrations mo.
I would write a 90-page essay as a response to this excuse for an article, but it’ll most likely end up as a footnote to what my schoolmates have already argued above.
Ang tanong, nakapasa ka bang UPCAT?
Disgusting UP supremacist who knows nothing… This is my answer: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/a-challenge-to-my-critics/
I don’t think you have the brain to refute this blog. Honestly…
Oh, no one’s trying to ‘refute’ your ‘blog’. I’m afraid you haven’t provided enough material OF SUBSTANCE to allow for intellectual discourse.
All you have to do is read them. It’s either you’re an ignorant or just want to waste my time. But between the two, I think you’re stupid. Because in the first place, I don’t know what’s your problem with what I said.
‘but because he’s consciously aware it performs the real objective of education: to teach a student how to live his life—by developing his mind and equipping him to deal with reality.’
…An objective of education which, obviously, your school has not ingrained in you. If you want to be able to deal with reality, learn to direct your efforts towards the real issues that need to be addressed. Which are, in this case, obviously the egregious failure of the past administration to allocate resources which ALL taxpayers (yes, even the parents and patrons of students in state-subsidized schools). Note the capitalization of ‘all’ in the previous sentence. As taxpayers, we ALL bear the brunt of a leaning towards self-interest displayed so shamelessly by several members of the past government. As taxpayers, we ALL pay for EVERYTHING that is considered a public good: this includes the roads and highways our cars drive on, the infrastructure that allow us to go on conveniently about our daily lives (e.g., airports), welfare, overpasses, urinals, and every other damn thing that comprises what can be perceived in this country. We pay for government services. Since you seem to have forgotten, let me remind you that taxpayers also pay for the pittance of a salary of that woman who takes your photograph for your drivers’ license. Everything goes somewhere. If it is a public good, then we very well have to pay for it. The question then becomes, WHY hasn’t most of it gone anywhere good? Why are so many people still taking to the streets, lobbying for the comfortable life that everyone deserves, and which our government will be capable of providing, given that its members learn to ignore stirrings of self-interest and actually work in the service of the people (as they should be doing)? None of your ‘replies’ have even remotely addressed the issues raised by those who replied with salient points. They’ve all been a toss-up among incoherent and grammatically unsound banter, baseless accusations, and misguided and inapplicable quotations.
And if you doubt that public education granted to some of the most deserving, most HARDWORKING students in this country won’t benefit the public, then I dare you to tell me that UP produces nothing but the most socially ineffectual, inefficient leaders in the workforce. Let’s see who’s being useless and wasting resources then.
Typographical errror: ‘…which ALL taxpayers pay for.’
@ Samuel Huntington.
What you just posted is full of mixed premises, floating abstractions, and unidentified assumptions, which, if analyzed carefully, could sum up to this: MEDIOCRITY!
Oh, sorry, I thought you were describing yourself for a while up there when you tried to insult my perfectly sensible and formidable reply.
Let’s see you debunk the points I raised issue by issue, then. What were these ‘mixed’ premises, ‘floating’ abstractions, and ‘unidentified assumptions’? Should be really easy for you, shouldn’t it, since they were so ‘mediocre’? 🙂
Funny… I’d like to see your full-blown refutation of what I wrote… And please, if you’re really proud of your statist school, have the decency to identify yourself. Are you not proud of your identity?
Another ‘reply’ and still no argument? Well, I can’t say I’m surprised. People know more than they are told, Froilan. They know when others can’t defend themselves any longer. So I’ll let this go and leave you with the full confirmation of the worth of this ‘article’. Which, as has been proven by your constant failure to provide material to work with, amounts to wasted time that could have been allotted to working on the requirements of the education that will someday contribute to the competence of this country’s labor force.
And finally — what good would my name do for anyone here? I do study in the University of the Philippines, if you haven’t figured it out by now, which is why I have seen for myself the systemic fetters my schoolmates have to contend with. You know what they say — you have to see the circumstances to believe them; to be able to verify them. Earlier in this thread, you identified free market capitalism as a panacea for the lack of opportunities to succeed, in the widely used definition of the word. But a free market economy calls for neck-to-neck competition amongst the members of its system. First and foremost, a free market economy IS the status quo, and we all (probably excluding you) know how it’s failed to lift people out of poverty, which is what you have argued as one of its successes. We obviously have to supplement this with other sustainable, lifelong, and personal mechanisms for development — e.g., education. If the majority of the population (what with more than 90% living below the poverty line) is bereft of accessible education, how, then, do you expect these people to succeed in this free market economy? They would have no edge in a corporate arena/workforce that prioritizes applicants that have college diplomas from formidable colleges and universities — a good percentage of which, as you fail to understand, may come from less fortunate families so entrenched in a system where quandary is commonplace. In a society where education is accessible to the majority, the playing field is leveled between those who can AFFORD to enroll in private universities, and those we can’t, but seek to build a comfortable life for themselves and contribute to the competence of this nation’s workforce. With accessible education, everyone (provided that they are competent enough and DO work hard enough) is given a chance to equip themselves for life. This includes, again, both the part of the population that can afford to and opt to attend private universities, and the other greater part that is as competitive (if not even more so) academically, yet has been born into the lower echelons and cannot afford quality private education.
There are those who are hardworking, talented, but less fortunate students who are bereft of the opportunity to graduate and make a good life for themselves. There are those like myself, who, even if their parents pay the full amount of tuition demanded by the highest socialized bracket in UP, wish to turn their attention to the political issues that will benefit the marginalized and work towards the common good. And then there are people like you, who I frankly have no choice but to ignore, because that is what our brilliant Political Science professors (with highly diverse views, too, if I might add: another misjudgment you made of these ‘communists’ and ‘liberalists’) teach us — that there will always be freeriders and contrarions in a particular system whose refusal to cooperate will send them straight to the periphery. There are much bigger concerns than irate blog entries like these, and much more propositions/solutions that will not impede on the equality of opportunity of the Philippine people. As a member of a political system, it is your responsibility to correctly identify the impediments to social and economic development. Know what the real issues are. And know how to deal with them alongside the right people.
@ Samuel.
You said: “First and foremost, a free market economy IS the status quo, and we all (probably excluding you) know how it’s failed to lift people out of poverty, which is what you have argued as one of its successes.”
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read here, apart from the rants of your fellow friends at UP. Make no mistake, I’m from UP, too. Do you know what “free market economy means”?
A free market is a market without economic intervention and regulation by government except to enforce ownership (“property rights”) and contracts. It is the opposite of a controlled market, where the government regulates how the means of production, goods, services and labor are used, priced, or distributed. This is the contemporary use of the term “free market” by economists and in popular culture; the term has had other uses historically.
Where did you get that claim of yours? You will surely fail economics. After reading your introductory statement, I see no further reason to read the rest. Froivinber is right, you guys know nothing about politics and economics. And… free-market capitalism is NOT the source of the ongoing global economic crisis but government intervention. Try to educate yourself on this.
And how is that to provide a solution to the ubiquitous poverty faced by Filipinos without access to quality education?
You said: “And how is that to provide a solution to the ubiquitous poverty faced by Filipinos without access to quality education?”
There are a lot of contradictions here. At least you admit, although impliedly, that we are in a state of poverty. Yet you said the government must guarantee ” access to quality education.”
Let me digest this statement piece by piece.
1. Who will guarantee “access to quality education”? You will answer: the government. But where will the government get the resources to make this fantasy happen? The correct answer is: the people or borrow money. But we are in a state of poverty. Currently we have budget deficit and high foreign borrowing at over P4 trillion as Froi said. We came to this point because of too much services and too much rights in our Constitution. And yet you want to ask more. You said: We want proper allocation. How is that possible when there are also other areas that need funding. You point to military. But we have problems with insurgencies. Now if you deny we don’t have a problem with insurgency, then it’s where the buck stops because freedom is more important than what you call “your” right to education.
2. The problem is you do not merely ask “access to quality education”? You want it to be a right, meaning you want it to be institutionalized, backed and guaranteed yearly and forever by the government.
3. What public schools will be prioritized by this fantasy of “access to quality education”? Well, the main priority, for sure, is UP. The rest will follow. But how much money does your ” access to quality education” require? How much? At what level would you want this “access to quality education” elevated?
In the first place, education, like what Froi said, is a commodity. Its being so important to people does not make it a “right” or does not give it a very special category. Most of you stress on the concept of “necessity”, but all other basic commodities like food, shelter, health care, transportation, etc. are necessities. Might as well make them a “right” and have all of them subsidized or guaranteed “free” by the government. But, where will the government get the resources. In most empires of the past, this thinking led to invasion or plunder of other territories. In the past century, this mentality led to war and conquest of third world countries simply because the budding empires USA, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, others have no indefinite resources to sustain their “nanny statism.” They had to plunder the wealth of smaller countries.
Para kang lata. Maingay pero walang laman. Magbasa ka boy! Ang dami mong hindi alam. San ka nag-college? Review mo English mo pare. Magtatrash talk ka na lang sablay pa.
HIPPIES, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?
A very good job for the dead link
Ayun lang Kuya. EPIC FAIL. :))
Just to answer your question, you just gave us what we want: more evidence of your stupidity XD
hindi yan pumasa ng upcat mga sir.:))
This blog is 10 years late. The so-called “indoctrinated leftists” are but a struggling minority against an overwhelming majority. Therefore, the author is not from UP. Wag natin patulan. This person is obviously just trying to make money by generating traffic into this website.
Demanding Higher State Subsidy = Enslaving Taxpayers
Funny verging on sad.
I know hippies, this is what you want!
Tangina. INULIT PA DEAD LINK ULIT! NAASAR NA KO GUSTO KO BASAHIN PERO PUTA ANG TANGA MO LANG!
…Oh, and please, do humor us with an explanation of why you keep on calling UP students ‘hippies’.
GUYS! THIS IS VINCENTON’S REAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT!
http://www.facebook.com/froivinber
cnlick ko ung fb link. sure na hindi sya galing ng up. wala naman kcng gnyan kapangit na mukha sa up.
Galit na galit ka ah! lol! Kasi puro mukhang basura ang mga tao sa UP at kasama ka dun lol! Mga tibak na mukhang hindi pa naliligo. ang babaho pa. yaiks! at isa ka dun siyempre…
I have changed the rules. Let those who are brave enough to log in and identify themselves comment on this blog. Since most of my commenters are so rude, bitter, irrational, hippyish, they have to follow the rules. If you’re so darn proud of your statist school, you must also be proud to identify yourselves. Don’t be a coward, folks!
you are stupid . if Plato and Socrates themselves despised people who teach for a price, then why can’t you ? they believed that enlightenment is the priority of every person and that enlightenment must not be paid for, most unlike what Sophists did. If Plato and Socrates themselves believed that education must not be paid for, then why can’t you ?
I’m sorry but Education is one of the things that people really must receive in their lives . And I see no reason why it must not be free or at least paid for partly by the government for the poor who cannot afford it . By saying that Education is a privilege to the poor is just like saying they do not have rights, after all, when you get down to it, when you lose everything, all that’s left of you is you and your own wits, and how can you get wits without learning ? and where do you get learning ? it’s in something you call a SCHOOL .
IDEALLY, education is a right! but in REALITY, it is now a privilege!
come on, realidad.. oo marami ang hirap magaral, pero ano.. kakalapagin nlng ba natin ang gobyerno at aasa na gawin nila ang dapat gawin.. aantayin at kakalampagin na umaksyon sila, so ano yan, inaasa nlng natin ang pagaaral natin sa gobyerno na iallocate ang tamang pondo? na magdagdag ng tamang budget? na hindi maging corrupt?! REALIDAD! REALITY! asa kang mangyari yan! hindi na uy.. kung mangyayari man, hindi ko aantayin bago ako kumilos. kung ako hirap magkatuition fee, aasa ako sa resulta ng pagrarally ko? magtratrabaho nlng ako mga brad at sis.. at kung iniisip nyong makasarili ako, magsisikap ako sa sarili kong mga paa para hindi danasin ng mga magiging anak ko at mga anak ng anak ko ang hirap ng hindi magkaroon ng tuition fee. nabubuhay ako sa realidad! pagnagkaleche leche ba ang mundo at umabot sa puntong nagugunaw na ito, ang mga tao ba sa gobyerno ang aasahan mo na sasagip sayo para hindi ka malunod? o rerescue ka para hindi ka masunog? if all else fails, sarili mo ang una mong kakapitan at ang huhugutan ng lakas para isalba ang iyong pamilya at mahal sa buhay.. ang mga tao sa gobyerno, sa tingin mo uunahin ka.. may kanya kanya ding pamilya yan at mga interes. at sa tingin mo? mahal ka ng gobyerno natin at ng mga tao dyan?! IDEALLY, OO.. REALITY WISE.. tingin nyo?
Just because a given condition has been purported as reality, it doesn’t mean it has to be that way. This should, in fact, be an even more pressing motivation to identify solutions to these problems. Let’s keep things simple, and keep the common good in mind. If we work against pessimistic stirrings, there will be a much greater propensity for collective action to happen. We’ve only been made to think that these circumstances comprise our reality because they haven’t changed since time immemorial. As George Orwell so lyrically put it, reality resides in the skull. Which means, above all else, that we can change it.
I haven’t read through your posts, but there has always been one nagging question I always wanted to ask of objectivists. How could you presume that objective realities exist outside of human consciousness?
hahaha
The blogger choose to reply only to people that he can provoke more confrontations. The only type of people I know who does that are either thugs or a common tambay. Heck, a tambay has more respect and decency than him. Guys, you are being dragged down to his level where he thinks he can beat you through experience.
Sorry, I tried not to get pissed by you but you just crossed another line. I’m not going to add to the hundreds of insults you probably have now. I won’t give you the satisfaction you are searching.
Parting words: If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
~peace out
TAMA 🙂
Namimili lang si Sir Vincent ng rereply-an, yun kaya niyang sagutin with his empty arguments :))
Tama. And even then, he STILL misinterprets those replies from people who try to squeeze out a bit of intellectual discourse from him. Big misjudgment! He can’t participate in intellectual discourse — no one without a coherent and APPLICABLE core philosophy that consists of tight argumentation and empirical proof can.
🙂
Well, if I were the blogger I’d do the same because you all resort to context dropping and evasion. If you try to read his blogs, you wouldn’t appear too dumb and ignorant.
@ Samuel. Your understanding of free-market economy explains it all. No matter how Froivinber explains to your his points, you won’t get it because you have a very big epistemological problem. How you understand free-market system is fatally flawed. Again, like I said to JC, you’re all no match for him.
Do you even know what you are talking about? It’s like you saw that piece of “evidence” and raved about it. You are rambling non-sense, taking this and that to support your case. TIP: outline your stuff next time.
Pfft. Since you’re just a nutcase, I’ll leave you at it and mind my own business, I guess.
I am sure many UP students have already said this but I would like to repeat it. I pity you. It is without the heart of true academician that you say this. You do not see the need for government subsidized education, I understand this. I am sure that you have a lot against leftist students. I have in my time as a UP student and as a graduate seen the deterioration of the quality of education NOT only in the UP system but in education in general.
What you fail to understand sir, is that UP but a part of what the education budget is allocated for. You don’t realize that the misgivings and the errors that you see to use as a reason why subsidized education should be abolished, such as the erroneous books and socialist ideals of leftist students is something the system tries to remedy. But it is not UP’s fail, not in it’s entirety. So using them as a reason is, in my humble opinion, wrong.
I have had many leftist professors, I have held in my heart an ideal once, but I came out of the university with hope that I could give back to my parents, to the people who helped me study in UP, and to make them all proud that I was their student, their classmate, and their schoolmate.
You do not understand, perhaps if you were or ever will have someone who is studying in UP, the burden of being a student that is being subsidized by the common man. I talked to a jeepney driver once while I was in UPLB, and I paid him the regular fare. He gave me a discount and he said, “Tulong ko na sa iyo. Balang araw mag-aaral din ang anak ko sa UP.” UP doesn’t represent a salot, it doesn’t aspire to just be better than others, it represents a dream for the common man. That they too can contribute to the betterment of the educational system in our land.
And “freethinkers” are not all leftists, “freethinkers” are not all socialists. We do not leech off the government only to leave this country and let it rot. What you see is the red shirted students WHO DO NOT REPRESENT ALL UP STUDENTS. We wear other colors, we also wear corporate clothes, we now bear the burden others had carried before us. We pay taxes, knowing that somehow some of it is going to go to the education of a boy or a girl whose life and the lives of his family would be better because he had a chance to study in UP.
You have never met a Tondo boy who was well on his way to becoming a criminal had he not passed UP and graduated from it. Now he dreams of becoming a man who would make vaccines and medicine for the poor.
You have not been on the other side of the looking glass so how dare you say Education is not a right.
With that trail of thinking, public education should be abolished completely. Surely then you would be satisfied. Because then there would be no erroneous books because there would be no writers to write them, educators who would need them and I assure you, the bandits and the criminals would not need them when they crawl out of their backward ways since they had no other options laid before them earlier in life.
Surely then you would think, what if things were different.
sorry po sa mga errors in grammar and spelling…nandilim ang paningin ko. i am correcting it in my blog. baka kasi sabihin ni kuya hindi marunong magspell at magenglish ang mga taga UP.
http://pinaywriteroraldiarrhea.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-up-professor-said-never-argue-with.html
You adduced no good argument but a pure appeal to emotion.
Read these:
freedom ends where others’ freedom begins. if you still insist on that well you should also respect our opinions in reaction to your stupid write up. “For every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction”
P.S.
that’s from Newton’s 3rd law of motion. yes, i do not expect that you know that so there 😀
Paki sabi sa mga sobrang delayed na students (yung mga tipong umaabot ng 5-6 na taon) na sobrang chillax lang. Akala mo kung sinong mga entitled na iwaldas ang pera ng mga tao. PAKI SABI!
Sa mga aktibista, lawakan nyo utak nyo utang na loob. Ang hirap sa inyo pwede lang ibigay ang gusto nyo, akala nyo kung sino kayong mga entitled dito na espesyal. Be reasonable!
“I saw a man of purpose and of vision and not an object of social sacrifice. I saw an unbroken soul who knows his purpose— and that purpose is the commitment of his life to the highest form of virtue, which is man’s pursuit of happiness. I saw a man struggling against slavery and any form of social immolation. He does not want to be reduced to a mere slave. He wants to be free, to be left alone, and to go on living according to his will and rational ideals. No, the human soul that is being symbolized by that statue is not an object of social sacrifice; he’s rather a symbol of individual heroism.”
when i came to this part of your blog, i stopped reading it. this is the most shallow and unanalytical definition of the Oblation an intellectual person could ever give.
If you even took up Hum2 in your college years then you’d probably know the true essence of Oble. were you even from UP? were you even from a family who cannot barely afford one good meal or old pair of uniform pants to say that education is not a right.
Article 26 of UN Declaration of HUMAN RIGHTS (caps supplied for your stupid head to get a grip)
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education SHALL BE CUMPOLSARY. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be EQUALLY ACCESSIBLE to all on the basis of merit. (DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF ACCESSIBLE, HUH?)
2. Education shall be directed to the FULL DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN RESPONSIBILITY and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
…even the UN thinks its a right. so who the hell yathink yo are?
the only sacrifice you can do now is; you shalt be made a human torch..
We live in a third world country. It is not the entirely the poor man’s fault that he is hungry. I personally know people who struggle to make ends meet for the longest time still struggle. Sadly, I also personally know people who f*ck up their lives because they did not know any better than to eat, sleep, have sex, get high/drunk over and over again. Lack of education, lack of opportunities, lack of choices.
If we do not teach a man how to fish, give him a boat and rod, how are we supposed to feed him?
How can do we look at ourselves as a nation if we do not take care of our poor, our sick, our hungry, our elderly?
How can you honestly consider a man who is no-read no-write a contributing citizen? How do you give him dignity?
Vincent, are you about to say “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Because you seem so cushy in front of your computer, with your private school-learned hifalutin English.
How can do we look at ourselves as a nation if we do not take care of our poor, our sick, our hungry, our elderly?
to add “most especially our youth?”
In the ideal world, I would have a State University at par with UP for every Province and Major City in the country.
Para naman yung mga “not-so-talino” at “not-so-yaman” na probinsyanang katulad ko ay may pagkakataong maging matalino at mayaman in the future. Dahil hindi kaya ng simple powers ko ang UP. Masipag naman ako at gusto ko talaga yumaman.
Kung walang pagkakataon sa mga simpleng katulad ko (na kayang mag-computer) paano na kaya ang mga mas simple pa sakin na ni kumain hindi ma-afford?
Again, in the ideal world yun na maraming budget from taxpayers (like me), maayos ang allocation (hindi nakukurakot), at maraming teachers (na di kelangan mag-abroad).
And please do not tell me that it is not my right kasi i work hard, i pay my taxes and i want to serve my nation.
kung puro ganito ang Pilipinas, paano na ang mga magiging anak ko? Endless chain of not-so-talino and not-so-yaman?
Ay! ayoko na ata. kung panay ganito na lang sa abroad ko na lang dadalhin ang kasipagan ko.
-call center trainer sa weekdays, healthworker sa weekends, guro 24/7-
Hindi ako taga-UP, hindi ko nais magpaka-UPian.
Pero nais ko ng quality education para sa lahat. Para lahat tumalino para maka-usad tayo bilang bansa.
Hindi yung sila lang na iilan.
Saan ka na nag-aral Mr. Blogger? 😀
parang walang pinag aralan magsulat eh
‘Stupidityup’ pala ha. Siguraduhin mo lang di kakalat kalat yang pangit mong mukha kung san san. . tapos ang pinagyayabang mong kinabukasan
May na-miss ka, Gago. Depinisyon ng ‘kurapsyon’ at gobyerno
You adduced no good argument but pure idiotic, stupid rants! Are you from UP?
Read these:
Hindi debate kailangan mo, umpog sa ulo.
Thanks for the link, though, I dont read ‘shit.
“adduced”
haylavette! patay tayo diyan! nosebleed! sige na nga matalino ka na nga.
tataas ba sweldo ko pag sinabi kong “boss, I adduced that its time for your meeting”?
Baka sakaling maiangat ko ang kalagayan ko at kalagayan ng bayan ko with words like “adduced”
-hindi taga-UP kaya hindi matalino-
ETO DAW FACEBOOK PAGE NI VINCENTON!
http://www.facebook.com/froivinber
ganyan ang mga salita ng mga taong pinipilit na hindi sila apektado sa isyu. tsk. minsan magsuri ka. pwede naman yun? try it sweetie.
Posit for a moment that health care, education, means to a livelihood that are enabled by public goods – that none of these things is a right, that you can demand your state give support to. What do you have left? A country meeting the 21st century with a hell of a lot of people who lack the capital and privilege to rise up in the world and take their place as productive citizens, raising families knowing that their society can provide, at reasonable cost, basic things we all need: health care, schooling in particular, not to mention infrastructure, civil defense.
You sound like a leader – of Somalia, or one of those failed states that now cannot and will not provide those things for its citizens. Best of luck with that premise.
Hear, hear.
Though I am a UP student, I am not pure leftist or “tibak”. I am not agitated by this entry because I find this not worthy to feel enraged about. I respect your point of view but I just want to tell you this:
If you’re goddamn filthy rich then you could simply say that EDUCATION IS A RESPONSIBILITY NOT A RIGHT. With the capitalist economy, money is indeed everything. It can buy health, education, even life. And with the wage that those in the Class D and E socioeconomic strata are earning, they couldn’t simply choose to pay for their children’s tuition fees, no matter how small it is, in exchange of not having enough money to buy their food or even medicine. Pagiging praktikal lang. Hindi nila kasalanan na mababa ang sweldo nila. Pero kung hindi sila magtatrabaho, hindi sila mabubuhay. Kung tinataasan lang sana ng gobyerno ang sahod ng mga mahihirap na to or kung binababaan lang ang presyo ng mga pagkain, pero hindi ganon ang kaso. Ang mga pribadong kumpanya ay unti-unti nang inaangkin ang Philippine market at ang gobyerno ay hindi basta-basta puwede makielam sa desisyon ng mga kumpanyang ito na taasan ng presyo ang kanilang mga produkto, parang private schools lang yan. At ngayon ang UP at PUP ay sumusunod na sa yapak ng pribatisasyon na unti-unti nang nilalakad ng UP at PUP administration ang pagtaas ng tuition at pag sinabayan ito ng taun-taong pagtaas ng presyo ng pagkain at nananatiling mababa ang sahod ng mga empleyado, paunti na ng paunti ang mga Pilipinong may kakayahan makapag-aral. Thus you deprive them their right to live. Parang sinabi mo na ring, walang karapatang mabuhay at magkaroon ng magandang opportunities ang mga pinanganak na mahirap.
I would like to give a conclusion on this blog entry:
If you’ve never been a UP student, you WILL NEVER understand the meaning of the ideologies that we are fighting for, no matter how “logical” the premises that you used to back up your arguments . 🙂
feel free to oppose, whether in violent or civilized manner. your call.
Hello to all UP Students! This guy is too convinced with himself, so it’s pointless to argue with him. Really. I suggest that we stop posting comments na lang. Okay? Believe me, he loves it.
And please, please, wag masyado magpadala sa emotions. I understand what all of you guys are feeling. We, UP students, are not perfect. And so is UP.
We all know how hard it is to ENTER AND STAY in the University. And it’s even more difficult to graduate. No matter what happens, we are still students of the country’s premier state university. The UP life is an experience that only we, UP students, can understand. We cannot expect people outside the university to fully understand the issues we have. And please, WE DON’T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO HIM. Let’s just all study hard (and please stop cutting classes. We can join protests [pero sana yung wag violent ha] during our vacant period. HAHA. I know it’s funny but, yeah, studies should be our priority). And when I say hard, let’s really give our best. After all, we should always be aiming for excellence. Hindi lang sa grades ah. Hindi lang naman academics ang itinuturo ng UP satin diba? 😉
Sa buong Pilipinas natin patunayan na karapat dapat tayo, hindi sa iisang tao lang. 🙂 May mapapatunayan naman tayo e. Pero we must not forget to be humble. 🙂
Ayun lang! God bless you, UPians! Hectic weeks coming up. Let’s strive for excellence!
Froi, peace be with you. God bless you!
@ UP.
Your introductory line is so hilariously conceited yet your entire comment is grammatically problematic. Are you really from UP? Your school and your schoolmates should be very ashamed of you. Your writing style is very sophomoric. My first-year high school brother studying at Malayan school writes better than you do.
“We all know how hard it is to ENTER AND STAY in the University.” — What’s your point then and how is this connected with that the blogger said? He’s not commenting on how hard or easy it is to study at UP. Moronic!
“No matter what happens, we are still students of the country’s premier state university. The UP life is an experience that only we, UP students, can understand. We cannot expect people outside the university to fully understand the issues we have.”– What’s the point again? OMG! So sophomoric!
“And please, WE DON’T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO HIM. Let’s just all study hard (and please stop cutting classes.” — he’s not asking that you prove something to him. Are you out of your mind? Yes, please do not prolong your stay at UP. Kawawa mga taxpayers!
Pathetic…
o challenge daw mga isko at iska.hay nako,natatawa na lang ako sa pinagsasabi ng blogger n to. paikot ikot k kasi tey! wla k nmng maayos n argument.
at eto pang mula sa facebook account mo.
Froilan Vincent: A challenge to my UP critics: “Show me that you’re from UP and that you deserved your passing the UPCAT. Show me that you’re entitled to a higher education subsidy! Prove that you have the right to the earnings of the people who work and produce! Prove that you can turn the government into a legalized extortionist.”
like,hello?ikaw lng nmn tong kumokontra e.bitter k s UPCAT? di lng nmn UP ang state university n nangangailangan ng higher state subsidy!
This is what really disgusts me most about some UP students. Mayabang na wala namang pinagyayabang. Based on what I read, all of UP commenters presented nothing but plain idiocy.
So we’re stupid? and you claim what?
All of your arguments are plain subjective and based without facts.
It is in UP that we learn the irony of being part of the real world. the real word with suffering and tragic endings without being catered with proper solutions due to concentration of power to people like you… privileged arrogant and dumb selfish.
The disgust and animosity is very much mutual.
walang pinagmamayabang?
talaga lang ha, eh ang makapasa nga lang sa UPCAT, malaking bagay na. duh!
HERE’S VINCENTON POST’S REAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT!
http://www.facebook.com/froivinber
http://www.facebook.com/froivinber
http://www.facebook.com/froivinber
To some pathetic commenters from University of the Philippines. LISTEN… LISTEN…
Based on what I read on this comment section, IT IS PROVEN THAT:
1. Most UP commenters are STUPID/IDIOT or both!
2. Most UP commenters are Lefttists/Socialists.
3. Most UP commenters don’t ever know what they’re talking about.
4. Most UP commenters are MAYAYABANG, as they adduced such invalid arguments as “hindi nakapasa sa UPCAT,” “hindi ka kasi taga-UP”, etc.
4. Most UP commenters know nothing about politics and economics.
5. Most UP commenters are DANGEROUS TO OUR LIVES AND LIMBS!
6. Most UP commenters are BOBO!
7. Most UP commenters are BASTOS!
8. Most UP commenters are TROLLS!
9. Most UP commenters are a threat to this country and to our freedom.
10. Most UP commenters are INSANE!
Therefore, it is for the benefit of this nation and of everybody to PRIVATIZE UP and other public universities!
To Libertarian, listen…
1. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are STUPID/IDIOT or both!
2. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are Lefttists/Socialists.
3. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters don’t ever know what they’re talking about.
4. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are MAYAYABANG, because talk as if they know everything in the world.
4. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters know nothing about politics and economics.
5. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are DANGEROUS TO OUR LIVES AND LIMBS!
6. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are BOBO!
7. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are BASTOS!
8. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are TROLLS!
9. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are a threat to this country and to our freedom.
10. Mr. Froilan Vincent and his supporters are INSANE!
Therefore, it is for the benefit of this nation and of everybody NOT to PRIVATIZE UP and other public universities!
EXCUSE ME, MR. LIBERTARIAN, feeling ko mas bagay sa inyo yang comment mo at hindi sa aming mga Iskolar ng Bayan. Bago ka mag-post ng ganyan, tingin ka muna sa salamin… Ikaw yata ang BOBO. 🙂
Naniniwala po akong mas matimbang ang kontribusyon ng UP sa lanrangan ng pagpapaunlad ng bayan kaysa sa mga kongklusyon ukol sa mga pumupuna. Kung ang huli lamang ang pagbabatayan upang sabihing makatuwiran na isapribado ang UP, siyaý nagkakamali…
talaga lang ha,
PROVE IT!
you can’t do it kasi you can never find any reason to say those comments.
You are pathetic. Tsk, narrow-minded. IDIOT.
haha.fun naman basahin nito.chong, hanggang insulto k lng e 😛
ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?
Education is a right, not a privilege. To say otherwise is the same as saying, ‘Let all the people be dumb!”
Paano maiaalay ng Pilipino ang kanyang buhay sa bayan kung hindi niya alam kung para saan ito?
Kung wala siyang alam?
Thus, many fight for a greater education budget so that people can learn how to help themselves. It can’t be simpler than that. If people do not know, they are susceptible to mistreatment and abuse by those who somehow know. It’s like what happened during the 300+ years of Spanish Rule. We got conquered in 1565 and only got to revolt successfully in 1896. It took us that long because most Filipinos were denied the right of education. And the reason we became under American rule for another 40+ years is that those who were able to study (the rich ilustrados) decided to collaborate to protect their personal interests.
The call for a greater education budget should make sense. How could people help build the nation if they don’t know how it is right now? With a higher education budget, more and more people get to learn, especially those who can’t afford it. This is not just for the Iskos and Iskas in UP and PUP, but also for every public elementary and high school in the Philippines.
Criticizing the UP Student or calling him names will not help. But education will change a person’s life. And maybe his family’s too.
I believe there is nothing wrong with capitalism or being rich. It only becomes wrong when the filthy rich becomes greedy and forgets their fellow countrymen. I believe that there is no ”robin hood” scenario going on, and if there is, it has the noblest of intentions. The government for no reason should let those who do not have money to die of starvation in this money-based world. What the government does is to give everyone equity, equal opportunity, and one of the ways of attaining it is education.
Thus, if a person strives hard, he is entitled to the fruits of his labor whether he is rich or poor. But if he does not, it is unfortunate that he will have to starve.
I have nothing against private education, but if the tuition gets too high the poor might not be able to learn since he has nothing to pay for it. For that simple reason I am against the privatization of UP, PUP, and all other state universities. Paano kung ang matalino ngunit mahirap at walang pambayad?
By the way, the right to life means if you don’t have the means to live someone has to help you until the time you can stand on your own. And yes, the blame will be on the government’s if it didn’t help you. Instead of insisting the every person must fend for himself, is it not a nobler philosophy that one should help each other so that all may benefit?
Conscience must be knocking on everybody’s heart right now.
“I have nothing against private education, but if the tuition gets too high the poor might not be able to learn since he has nothing to pay for it. For that simple reason I am against the privatization of UP, PUP, and all other state universities. Paano kung ang matalino ngunit mahirap at walang pambayad?”
CHECK!
*correction
This is not just for the Iskos and Iskas in UP and PUP, but also for every state college and university and every public elementary and high school in the Philippines.
ayoko sa lahat hindi UPCAT passer. tapos kung ano ano sinasabi. :)))
try mong pumasa, baka mas maniwala pa ko sayo :))
Eto lang masasabi ko.
Bobo at nagfi-”feeling” ang gumawa ng blog na ito. I so regret spending 5 minutes of my life seeing such stupidity.
Masaya siguro yung blogger ngayon kasi napapansin ang blog nya. Kulang lang siguro sa pansin sa totoong buhay yan kaya nagpapapansin dito sa net. bwahaha!
P.S.
I wont even try to open a debate with the blogger. I can have a more intelligent debate with a chimpanzee. Sa lahat ng nakikipagdebate sa kanya. Good luck na lang sa inyo. Mahirap pumatol sa bobo. ^^
It’s very clear kung sino ang bobo dito or walang alam or tanga. Ang mga taga-UP na commenters are mga bobo. I can’t believe this is what they got!
YOU WERE ALL OWNED BY A LONE BLOGGER! How’s that?
Kung puro kayo yabang, puro school niyo ang pinagmamalaki niyo at wala kayong argument na matino, IT MEANS YOU’RE A COLLECTIVE OF STUPID, CONCEITED FOLKS (not all, of course, yong mga bobo lang na maiingay dito pero walang laman ang utak!)
Di hamak naman na mas bobo ang MANAHIMIK na lang at HINDI MANGIALAM sa mga bagay na alam mo naman na hindi tama diba? Mr. Greg M., we’re just proving that we’re from UP, at ang mga Isko at Iska ng bayan ay hindi nagpapalimita’t nagpapasawalang-bahala na lamang sa mga maling paniniwala ng iba. Bilang mag-aaral ng isang stateU, isa sa mga responsibilidad namin ay ang ipaglaban ang aming karapatan sa mura at kalidad na edukasyon. Ipinapamukha lamang namin sa blogger at sa lahat ng mga sumasang-ayon sa kanya na mali ang mga paniniwala niyo dahil hindi niyo nararamdaman ang totoong pakiramdam ng mag-aral sa isang “stateU” na halos lumebel na sa mga pribadong unibersidad ng bansa sa kamahalan ng tuition. Ilang beses ba namin uulitin yun? Sino ang bobo at hindi makaintindi ng matino? Nilamon na ba ng mga maling ideolohiya ng imperyalismo, pyudalismo, at kapitalismo ang mga utak niyo? Wake up.
” Ilang beses ba namin uulitin yun? Sino ang bobo at hindi makaintindi ng matino? Nilamon na ba ng mga maling ideolohiya ng imperyalismo, pyudalismo, at kapitalismo ang mga utak niyo? Wake up.”
So boring… so pathetic… so stupid…
Try harder, isko, iska, iskala, iskalo. FAILED!
He still hasn’t answered my question on why we should take his assertions on objectivism upon face value and ignore the existence of epistemes and relations of truth that permeate through various interpretations of human development, meaning that no objective reality could be ascertained given the hegemony of various means of production designed to reinforce the economic base – that is the existence of superstructures that decide what is truth and what is “objective reality”
“THE 1987 CONSTITUTION
OF THE
REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES
ARTICLE XIV
EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, ARTS,
CULTURE AND SPORTS
EDUCATION
Section 1. The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels, and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.”
sabihin mo nga ngayon na hindi karapatan ang dekalidad at murang edukasyon!?! matuto kasing magbasa ng konstitusyon NG PILIPINAS (at hindi ng kung anu-anong definition ng “Rights” ek-ek mo) bago mag post ng ganyan para hindi ka mag mukhang TANGA!!bobo.
Your blog is getting attention more than it should get. I can’t believe I wasted time on such a poorly written, poorly researched, and poorly analyzed piece. Yes, you may have your sources, but you failed to analyze it in the context of where you live and with whom you live. I suggest you do your homework and read on how a society really works. Tax-paying isn’t condemnation of the productive sector of society. The reason why there are taxes is so that the country could run as smoothly as possible, giving everybody what they need for continued growth. “To leave” every man to his own is a very individualistic, selfish line of thinking and I’m surprised you didn’t see that in you. If education is not a right, as you so insistently emphasized in this entry of yours, then your family wouldn’t have had spent that much time and effort in giving you one. Basing it from your premise, then your family, since they can afford, probably just gave you a special gift through your education, out of whim and nothing else; not because you need it for reaching your full potential as a living, breathing, thinking human being. No, not for you. Because in the first place, it wasn’t YOUR RIGHT. You just had the capability to avail such a “commodity”. No more. No less. No wonder why your thinking process is so flawed.
People like you, who think so much of themselves, of what they should get, and that their money is ONLY for themselves, make this country worse. Say whatever you say. At least I got the better end of that educational commodity you’ve been talking about — as compared to yours. I’m from UP by the way. And you?
@ aika.
“I can’t believe I wasted time on such a poorly written, poorly researched, and poorly analyzed piece.”
I can’t believe I wasted a second on such a POORLY WRITTEN, POORLY RESEARCHED, AND POORLY ANALYZED COMMENT of yours.
You said: “If education is not a right, as you so insistently emphasized in this entry of yours, then your family wouldn’t have had spent that much time and effort in giving you one.”
You’ve successfully shown your idiocy. You clearly don’t know the proper concept of right. Like the blogger said, A RIGHT SIMPLY MEANS A RIGHT TO ACTION, not a right of compulsion or force, directly and indirectly. That there are only fundamental categories of rights: the right to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
His rejection of the right to education doesn’t mean parents could no longer send their kids to school. That right to education you’re driveling on about imposes obligation on others. A right must not and ought not impose obligation on other. Don’t you understand?
Are you from UP? If yes, then I’m so ASHAMED!!!
Oh. I’m sorry. Did I strike a chord? 😉
@ MG Ilaya, you’re off base. I had the distinct impression that citizenship is all about obligations and duties, especially towards the state, and your fellows. Citizenship is in part a guarantee of certain rights, each of which may impose positive obligations (things we must do) or negative ones (things we should not do, like club an irritating blogger over the head). Our society routinely imposes obligations on each of us. Some of these are codified in law, and are enforced by the State; others we routinely expect of each other. Your interpretation of “rights” flies in the face of pragmatic common sense.
I think you owe aika an apology for that ad hominem attack. Never mind that Objectivism just isn’t a workable philosophy for reasoning about real world social problems. You have to admit, your friends at fvdb.wordpress.com haven’t written as lucidly as they might have, and on such an important hot button topic as tertiary education. Your and their style does get a rise out of people, doesn’t it? But all this bluster and ego tripping stops conversation dead; I can’t trust you or this site’s blogger to address anything real. Sayang, at sayang ang panahon namin dito.
@ aika/Antonio Hilarious
I have to repost the quotation above, which is very clear: “The right to life, e.g., does not mean that your neighbors have to feed and clothe you; it means you have the right to earn your food and clothes yourself, if necessary by a hard struggle, and that no one can forcibly stop your struggle for these things or steal them from you if and when you have achieved them. In other words: you have the right to act, and to keep the results of your actions, the products you make, to keep them or to trade them with others, if you wish. But you have no right to the actions or products of others, except on terms to which they voluntarily agree.” Only an ignorant or a plain stupid couldn’t understand the import of this statement.
This is what aika said: “If education is not a right, as you so insistently emphasized in this entry of yours, then your family wouldn’t have had spent that much time and effort in giving you one.”
The answer is: that statement is so invalid. Who said so? When the blogger said education is not a right, it doesn’t mean nobody is no longer allowed to go to school or no parent is allowed to send his child to school. We all have the right to go to school provided we pay for our fees. Your concept of right is so pathetic. You want the government to provide that “right of education” to you. That’s plainly, clearly your concept of “right to education.”
The Constitution guarantees the right to life- and like the blogger said, there are only fundamental categories of rights: the right to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. The “right to life” does not mean our government or our neighbors have the obligation to feed us or provide us shelter and everything we need to survive. It simply means we have the right to find the means to survive. That is, to work and to earn money in order to live.
I hope this is very clear. Again, only an idiot or an ignorant would not understand this.
I never owe this aika an apology. It is she who owes an apology to the blogger because of her plain ignorance!
As to your statement, you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re simply parroting what other ignoramuses posted on the comment section.
No, actually, you don’t have to repost Peikoff’s comment, as I was responding to your assertion, not Peikoff’s that “[a] right must not and ought not impose obligation on other. Don’t you understand?” Your words. Come on, be a big guy and admit it: Rights are claimed and very often imposed on others, as a practical matter. Your nascent Objectivism is embarrassing me, frankly, as does your appeal to authority (Mr. Peikoff), who was writing of something else entirely, in the context of a health care debate that is only tangentially related to our public eduction debate here.
Let me be clear: You’ve given somebody a label they don’t deserve, and for that you *do* have to apologize. Neither I nor aika owe an apology for voicing an opinion and receiving abuse in return. As for parroting what other ignoramuses post in the comments section, I plead guilty to parroting the the words of only one such: “[a right must not and ought not impose obligation on other. Don’t you understand?” For you are wrong, and can’t admit it. That, to me, is idiocy, bloodyminded idiocy.
Let me make it very clear. I posted Peikoff’s quotation to let you understand the meaning of rights. OK? Now, I am not an objectivism. I simply agree with the idea that rights do no impose obligation on others. Rights simply mean a right of action.
” Rights are claimed and very often imposed on others, as a practical matter.”
First off, as a philosophy major, this is not incidentally an Objectivist concept. This is an Aristotelian concept, for your information. When you said: ” Rights are claimed and very often imposed on others, as a practical matter.” Who made this claim? Do you know the logical consequence of this so crude, so absurd, so dangerous understand of rights? Rights are not impose on others. It is given metaphysically. You do not impose rights on others, for you and the other person have rights- to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
But it is clear that what you mean by “rights are claimed and very often impose on others” is an imposition of obligation, which means others are obliged to serve your rights (e.g. right to education or right to food). If that’s your understanding, then something has to provide you your means to education, which means someone has to make a sacrifice in order for you to exercise such a right. What a very fantastic concept.
Such an understanding is the very reason why most countries in the world today experience economic troubles. Greece is a very good example. In Greece, the socialist government guarantees the citizens’ right to education, food, shelter, and other basic needs and welfare. The socialist politicians believe every Grecian citizen has a right to “something.” Now it appears that the government is heavily cash-strapped, bankrupt, penniless due to its welfare statism. Tax rights are shooting through the roof, the country is heavily indebted to foreign creditors yet the people continue to protest for more welfare and rights. What you just stated: “that rights can be imposed on others” is perfectly practiced in Greece and other socialist countries like North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and others.
I firmly believe it is aika who owes an apology to the blogger for being too rude, too arrogant yet she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. I’d like to see a better debater here.
First of all, I think this blog is a real kick. Gets the writing juice flowing.
Okay, so let me amend my statement:
I assert that “rights” are claimed by persons, and the grant of a right to an individual may mean making an imposition / restriction on others’ rights – for differing goods.
If, for example, it would have made me glad to be rid of Gloria Arroyo as president (which I am), that right is bounded by my obligation to respect her right to life: I may never, ever advocate that I or someone else shoot her, and so deprive her of her right to life. Addressing my own middle-class parents’ experience, their right to freedom of choice in their lives was bounded by my right as a child to receive their support in my growth. Thankfully, they gave me that, not as a metaphysical might-have-been, but as an actual practical sacrifice of many of their own hopes for themselves that, too, might have made them happy.
Mine and many others’ concept of my rights is pretty straightforward. It is most certainly NOT a fantastic concept – I live with your and my own such rights and limitations to those rights everyday. Look into your own life, and see. I doubt our lives much differ in that respect; and for that matter, aika’s, who sounds pretty much middle class as well to me. And that is where that lived definition (as opposed to pedagogically sound) of right appears to come from, don’t you think?
Now the Greek experience is complicated by many more things than Greek citizens’ unbounded sense of entitlement. Many more things went wrong than just that they had as president George Papandreous from the Panhellenic Socialist Movement (thanks, Wikipedia).
Their laws allowed people to retire too early; their economic planners permitted too much public sector debt to accumulate; and this, in light of a very recent global banking crisis in which Greece almost (almost!) went the way of Argentina and which could have cost them tremendous trouble with the international community.
But I have to guess that it was populist (“Vote for ME and I promise YOU…!…[insert media-generated pet issue tag here]”) policies and ill management that got them in that fix. Livin’ the life without commensurate means to do so. Thank goodness for the German show of support and the IMF. And all this occurred after having a constitutional, parliamentary republic since 1975. I probably need to read a bit about specific rights and duties granted their citizens, and how they’ve changed since then. But I bet you their rights aren’t unbounded as political objectivism would like to assert.
@ Antonio Hilario
Here’s what you said: “I assert that “rights” are claimed by persons, and the grant of a right to an individual may mean making an imposition / restriction on others’ rights – for differing goods.”
I honestly don’t understand why it’s really hard for you to get the blogger’s argument. I merely restating and expounding the basic principles he established in this blogs and his other related blogs.
First of all, rights are not claimed. Rights are naturally given to persons. That is, rights are metaphysically given. They are not granted by any law, wether divine law or secular-political law. You’re premise is certainly wrong- that “rights are claimed by persons.” This is, in fact, where you got it all wrong, epistemologically.
This statement is full of contradictions: “and the grant of a right to an individual may mean making an imposition / restriction on others’ rights.” This is a very good example of floating abstraction. A one person’s rights do not impose any restriction on others. It simply means you must leave others alone. You neither impose rights/obligations nor grant them. For instance, Pedro’s right to life means he has all the freedom to work and to earn money in order to survive. It is not his right to violate the rights of others by stealing money or goods from them. That is why the blogger explicitly states that rights do no include a right of force or compulsion. A right simply means a right to action, which simply means a right to act and not a right to “something.” A so-called right to education is a right to “something.”
Let me explain further. Everybody in this country has his natural/metaphysical right to his life. Now, as a human being, you must use reason or your mind in order to survive, or in order to make your status or condition better. One essential condition of living in a modern society is “education.” As such, you are free to obtain education provided that you pay for it. You don’t have any right to ask your neighbor or the government to provided your school fees, because that would mean imposing a burden or obligation on others. Now, you might say: “it’s the government that must provide our educational needs since we have the right to education.” But the proper question is: “Where will the government get the resources to guarantee your right to education.” In the real-world, the government turns to the people to support other sectors of our society.
The example you gave above on “getting rid” of the life of Gloria Arroyo” has just been implicitly addressed. The blogger also addressed this by tackling the role of the government. There are two fundamental elements here: 1) a man’s individual rights (life, liberty, property, and his pursuit of happiness) and the proper role of the government, which is the protection of these individual rights. (https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/i-am-not-sorry/). Again, let me restate that rights exclude a right of force or compulsion. Know the proper concept of definition. You cannot say, this is my own understanding of rights. What do you think will happen to a society with subjectivist understanding of fundamental terms that could affect their lives?
You said: “Now the Greek experience is complicated by many more things than Greek citizens’ unbounded sense of entitlement. Many more things went wrong than just that they had as president George Papandreous from the Panhellenic Socialist Movement (thanks, Wikipedia).”
If you understand how economics and politics work, you would know that the main cause of the Greek crisis is too much big government and welfare statism. Spending too much for public welfare must come to a destructive end where everybody would be greatly affected.
Hence, know the proper concept of rights, the proper role of the government, and the concept of free-market capitalism. This will give you the answer wether “education” is really a right or just a “fiat” right.
Dude, don’t go get me arrested – I didn’t say “getting rid of the life of Gloria Arroyo,” kapisch? Let me get that straight, my caps for emphasis:
“…If, for example, it would have made me glad to be rid of Gloria Arroyo AS PRESIDENT (which I am), that right [MY HAPPINESS] is bounded by my obligation to respect her right to life: I may never, ever advocate that I or someone else shoot her, and so deprive her of her right to life. ”
Anyway. Working backwards through your last post:
Yup, I’ve read and heard that big government and welfare policies did for Greece what corruption almost did for us in the 90s. I think we’d be mistaken if we think that’s the entire story, though: They kept financing their deficits with debt, instead of economic growth. The point is that given what their constitution and their trapos promised the electorate, they should have made sure and engineered things to make it so.
You don’t know that spending “too much” for public welfare must come to a destructive end. You really can’t as a matter of principle – although Aquino’s SONA gave us a really worrisome picture. Are we already spending “too much” on education, civil defense, public utilities? It’s irresponsible to put that out there without proof. Hell, I don’t know what the figures are, all I’m saying is you claim “as it was there, so here.” No, Greece is not “proof,” even if it provides a cautionary tale. Teach us the facts, eh? – with data.
I’m not sure that I care to pick up your more rigorous separation of rights and the means to enforce them across society – that machine of State – but we can agree that it DOES mediate between persons and enforces the practice of those duties. There IS the threat of coercion – just not by my neighbor, or the twentysomething being treated at our municipal clinic two streets up from where I live. It’s philosophically attractive, but untenable: even the market has market failures that need the State to step in. It’s the state PLUS “the market” that allows us to exchange value for services without recourse to barter goods. Oll korrect. We also agree that in the real world it is “government that turns to the people to support other sectors of society”.
But isn’t the State mediating in that case? Effectively, it IS by state fiat that we, you, I, support other sectors of society. There are penalties for evading tax that in the end you and I can choose to either see as our duty or as theft. Frankly, because of all these rumors of corruption (none I’ve heard of being successfully prosecuted), it might seem like qualified theft…
Where we differ is that I don’t think the government has to or IS “stealing” from me to give to your children. It’s just a bloody tax, for chrissakes, and it “flows via the capillaries of State” to trickle down to whatever public welfare services provide for other people. What’s more I think the state HAS to play this role of mediation. I take it you don’t.
Further, I’ve heard that the activist students after my generation (including those from the State Universities and Colleges) aren’t asking for the State to steal from you to give to me, either. Their demand to increase subsidies is addressed to government, and it IS partly constructive: Cut from the military, don’t put so much into debt service, and so on. It used to piss me off that they’re not more constructive, but guess what: These young people don’t hold the levers of power – yet. They have absolutely no control or influence over the NEDA or DBM. Far more qualified folks than these freshmen-to-seniors kids (I have the right to say “kids”, I’m fully twice the age of many of those from UP AND OTHER SCHOOLS who’re on the streets) are able to do detailed econometric analyses that feed into policy.
Guess what, you don’t like their, or my, usage of “right”? Not epistemologically correct? Tell them, without being snotty, and these students may just listen. It helps to visit their tambayans, btw. And remember these are Pinoys, as am I, being snotty or arrogant has no traction at all. NONE. Nada. It merely clouds things.
Finally, I don’t much care about Peikoff’s position on health care, or Froi’s assertions about commie infiltration of the Universities, and still only partly formed Objectivist philosophical bent. What I do care about is that this blogger is doing bad service bringing this to Web users in a way that SHUTS DOWN CONVERSATION. The only good thing I see in it and in our responses is that it forces people to answer in a measured, critical way. That can only be a good thing, no?
Here’s my evaluation. I’m a philosophy graduate and I agree with the blogger’s use of the law of identity and the law of causality in his blog. I fully agree with the Aristotelian shades of his arguments. I learned much from him in terms of politics and economics.
My personal observation is that your flawed understanding of the concept of rights and the role of government is the main culprit why the hell you still won’t get his argument against “public education as a matter of right” and his defense of free-market capitalism. You know this is not simply about politics, it also includes the following issues:
1. economy versus state
2. the moral concept of rights
3. philosophy, which is the underlying aspect of this debate.
Whatever you say, if your understanding of rights is so flawed, you won’t still get it. Rationalization won’t ever work. Read his other blogs.
Honestly, I find most of the silly, valueless comments sickening.
How could even you call yourselves scholars if you pay around P50,000 per year?
The point. ‘Scholars’ should have scholarships, and the fact that there is low education budget means that the school will have to ask a bigger tuition fee. Thus, valid is the call for a higher educ. budget; this leads to a small, if not free, education.
Not all UP students are leftists. Many are Christians. Many are those who choose not to join protests. But most, whether they call others ‘bobo’ or not, want to fix the country and see a higher education budget as a solution.
If it is the blogger’s assertion that every man should fend for himself, then he must believe that families should not exist.
I suggest that you read the comment above by an economist from UP named Nonoy Oplas. Click also the link to his blogsite where he said:
Who are these socialists, by the way? Most would not admit that they are socialist and communist, but their advocacies are 99 percent similar to the explicit socialists.
These are the people who think that “education is a right”, “healthcare is a right”, “housing is a right”, “pension is a right”, “agri credit is a right”, “water is a right”, “high paying job is a right”, “unemployment allowance is a right”.
For them, everything is a right, an entitlement from the state. For them, there is little or no room for personal and parental responsibility. Most or everything should be government responsibility.
—>>> http://funwithgovernment.blogspot.com/
BORING.
and to the writer. S-T-U-P-I-D!
i want to state my views in line with this blog.
Kabilang ako sa mga Iskolar ng Bayan na nag-aaral sa Unibersidad ng Pilipinas sa Diliman.
Alam ko na alam mo na maganda ang kalidad ng edukasyon na inihahandog nito sa mga estudyante. Kaya ang mga produkto nito, mga MATATALINO at MAY PRINSIPYONG mamamayan ng Pilipinas. Oo, smart and wise.
Kaya ikaw na wala naman talagang alam kundi ang mantuligsa ng mga kabataang may tamang pag-iisip at katalinuhan, maaari sanang sarilihin mo na lang ang pananaw na yan. Palibhasa siguro’y di maayos ang naging pag-aaral mo at wala ka lang alam kundi palalimin ang Ingles mo para lang magmukhang matino ang mga blog na gaya nito, na kung tutuusin ay wala namang naibubungang maganda.
Tanggapin mo ang katotohanan, if by chance you have passed the UPCAT at nakapag-aral sa UP, hindi ganyan ang mararamdaman mo at iisipin mo patungkol sa amin at sa paaralan namin. Wala ka sa lugar namin, kaya wala kang karapatan na magsalita ng ganyan!
So shut up.
Malaking karangalan na pala sa ‘yo ang pagpasa sa UPCAT. ANG CHEAP MO! Maraming akong kilala na taga-UP na bobo at walang kuwenta. For sure isa ka dun. Bagay nga sa ‘yo ang sinabi ng blogger na ‘to:
My encounter with these college-bred folks reveals one thing: they have this big problem of academic insecurity. They think that anybody who writes or says anything bad against their beloved subsidized institution of learning is simply an envious hypocrite who failed to pass their UPCAT. Yes, I’m not making this up. In the aftermath of my very controversial blog entitled To All UP Students: Education is NOT a Right, I received the most pathetic, most mediocre claim in my entire blogging career- that so malicious claim that I wrote said blog simply because I didn’t pass their college entrance test or that I’m not one of those lucky ones who entered UP. I know, this is a good example of argument from intimidation. And I believe it’s a sign of paranoia.
Those who made such an outrageous claim are suffering from paranoia. Perhaps, they ‘feel’ or think that their subsidized institution of learning is the only school in the country. But one thing is very clear: they simply want to dismiss the fact that there’s a bigger issue involved in this debate. And this bigger, more important issue is the argument that I extensively, clearly established in my controversial blogs and its appurtenances: that education is not a right and private education is the only way to help the poor and to save this already bankrupt country. Alas, this is the main issue which they refused to understand.
However, I believe that most of them were sincere in raising such a cheap claim. Perhaps that’s the usual mentality of a college-bred. Perhaps they believe that some people who are not fortunate enough to study at UP or to hurdle their most touted college entrance test feel so envious of their privileged academic status. If anyone tries to take on UP, I warn you: be ready to be accused of not passing their UPCAT. This is the most obvious mediocre trend I observed in this anti-public education debate. “You didn’t pass the UPCAT that’s why you wrote this,” most of my commenters claimed. It was one of the most amusing comments I have ever received online.
Excuse me, hindi ako bobo, baka ikaw. If you’re sure na wala akong kwenta at bobo ako, PROVE IT. as in P-R-O-V-E I-T! baka malula ka sa credentials ko pag nakita mo (though I’m not showing it to you dahil baka sabihin ng mga makikitid ang utak na gaya mo na i just made the whole thing up.) duh. admit it, isa ka rin sa mga hindi pumasa sa UPCAT, one of the bitter aliens of the world.
Proven na nga. This very good quotation fits your empty brain: “For these people, Knowledge is literally nothing more than that which garners you good grades; be that cramming, ideas totally disconnected from reality etc. They have utter contempt for other people. Because they enjoy a virtual monopoly in the humanities, anyone with the courage to call them on their Irrationality becomes the focal point of their hate infested lives.”
Well, I think you have the burden of proof since you are the one challenging me you’re not BOBO. Since you said “baka malula ka sa credentials ko pag nakita mo”, then you have to state it publicly, on this blog, your credentials.
And in proving that you’re not really a moron, you should also state the following to prove that you’re not simply trolling/lying:
1. Real identity (Name)
2. Course and year at UP
3. Your so-called credentials
NOW, I expect you to PROVE IT. I cannot prove you’re not BOBO since I don’t know you. Since you have the burden of proof, you must be the one to prove it by complying with the aforementioned three items.
NO ALIBI.
NO LIES.
JUST PROVE IT.
Dito makikita kung talagang PROUD KA SA UP at PROUD KA SA SARILI MO. C’mon, let the world know how great UP is by presenting yourself as one good example of its greatness. PROVE IT!!!
Why should I share something to “OTHERS” everything that I have to keep private? DUH. it’s like sharing to the whole world your private information. Eh sira ulo ka pala eh.
Bakit ikaw, may maipapakita ka?
WALA.
Why? Are you ashamed of yourself? I thought you’re so proud of your school and yourself? The blogger has the guts to answer all your moronic spouts, don’t you have the same guts? Do you only show your “pagiging mayabang” behind a fiat nick?
Ganyan ang mga taong duwag.
OK. Here’s another option. I’m providing you a link to my Facebook account where you voluntary send what you call credentials. I’ll wait for you “proof”.
no thanks, there’s no reason for me to fight against this blog. I’ll just leave. nakakasira lang po kasi ng araw ang makabasa ng ganito. there’s no enough pieces of evidence to speak like this about us and our school, that’s why we reacted out so violently. pasensya na if i had spoken ill of the blog, anyone is entitled to his own opinion anyway. That’s his opinion and i have no other way to let him change his thoughts. May point siya, may point din ako. Farewell, yet this does not mean retreat nor cowardice. Still, I’m proud kasi taga UP ako, So yun, bye, God bless us all 🙂 Peace be with all of you. 🙂
UP ako, ikaw?
I’m still waiting for your credentials! Where are they?!!!
Moronic UP ako, ikaw:
For your information, you put yourself into this situation because of your damaged brain.
“no thanks, there’s no reason for me to fight against this blog. I’ll just leave. nakakasira lang po kasi ng araw ang makabasa ng ganito.
You had the guts, so disgusting guts, to speak ill against the blogger under false, fiat nick yet you don’t have the same guts and gal to show your so-called credentials to me even in private?
That shows you’re all nothing but a piece of moronic shit! Mas nakakasira sa araw ang mga comment niyo. What do you think of your fucking self? That simply shows our parasitical tendencies. Do you know what a parasite is? A sucker! A parasite is someone who who thinks he’s great based on such a pathetic belief that his/her school is also great. Magaling ako kasi galing ako sa UP. The blogger is stupid kasi hindi siya taga-UP or hindi siya nakapasa ng UPCAT. That’s how parasites think! Are you are one of them…
“Mas nakakasira sa araw ang mga comment niyo. What do you think of your fucking self? ”
how dare you address me that way, you don’t even know me!
and how come you failed to understand us- the status of the Iskolar ng Bayan.
We, too, pay our tuition fees just like the other students. Mahal na ang tuition sa UP, if you still don’t know, mahirap lang kami kaya hirap kaming magbayad.
“What do you think of your fucking self? That simply shows our parasitical tendencies. Do you know what a parasite is? A sucker! A parasite is someone who who thinks he’s great based on such a pathetic belief that his/her school is also great.”
This doesn’t even make sense. what an awful analogy.
Besides, I even tried to stop this nonsense commenting between us, but you are still insisting on continuing this thing based on your words. grabe. stop na, Godbless you. 🙂
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I believe that subsidizing state universities is tantamount to investing in the less privileged youth of the country so that they could someday stop being a burden to the state and instead become part of the productive sector of the society, pay their own taxes, rise out of poverty, and probably even create jobs for other Filipinos. In the case of UP, most of their students and alumni are too proud of their intellectual abilities that they won’t settle for anything less than what they think they deserve. They strive so hard to convince everyone that they are the best and by doing so, they become the best in what they do for the benefit of themselves and, eventually, of the organization they belong in (even if this may not be part of the plan at all).
If subsidizing education is a form of socialism, then all other government expenditures are socialist in nature. Why should taxpayers pay for relief operations for victims of Ondoy and other similar calamities, military efforts to fight insurgency in certain parts of the country, the construction of roads that not all taxpayers use, health subsidies that only benefit the poor, and all other government projects that benefit only a certain segment of the society? The government is mandated to use the taxpayers’ money for the good of the people it governs — non-taxpayers included. All governments are.
While I do not agree that state universities should be abolished, I agree with the author of this post that students of state universities do not have the right to ask for greater subsidy because it is the same as asking to lower the budget allocated for other equally important sectors of the society. They should be grateful to the government for investing in their future, but if they think that these investments do not suffice, then they should figure out ways to help finance their studies through private scholarships and part-time employment. If they are as intelligent as they think they are, they shouldn’t be able to have a hard time doing that.
P.S. I was a UP student myself and I helped the government finance my education. Now I pay my own taxes.
I repeat what I stated above in reply to a commenter:
“That’s the most disgusting excuse I’ve ever heard. Investing in education is the worst thing a government could do. This issue has a lot of ramifications that cannot be explained fully in this blog section. The government has been investing in education ever since. Look at the result. Most of the progress we have in RP came from the intellectual capital of other countries, United States in particular. And the producers of wealth in the US came from private education. Most of the innovation and technology we have here are IMPORTED, which are mostly a product of Western private education.”
You said: “If subsidizing education is a form of socialism, then all other government expenditures are socialist in nature.”
It is welfare statism. Know the meaning of this term. This concept is what is bringing most nations to economic disaster. Look at what’s happening now to Greece where its socialists politicians tried to provide everything the people need and guaranteed people’s right to education, shelter, pension, welfare subsidy, among many others. Now Greece is heavily bankrupt yet the people continue to protest and ask more subsidies. Tax rates in Greece is higher than ours because of too much welfare there. Yes, too much welfare is a form of socialism, although we’re not yet a fully socialist country.
State universities should be either abolished or privatized. I completely agree what the blogger said here:
Oh my goodness, shoot me: I should have caught on sooner, and done a Google on your Dr. Peikoff. No wonder it’s so much fun reading this, the minimalist state and Atlas Shrugged and Peikoff’s podcast. Kudos for finding a lightning rod philosophy guaranteed to fly over the heads of everyone – and get some discussion going.
This is an Objectivist blog, tama ba? There are probably a few things (very few) we can agree ever on, nevertheless it’s going to be THE PLACE where a child of the hippie-era, commie sympathizer like me is going to get more than a few laughs, and quite possibly get into a few fights. Don’t let up!
@ aika/Antonio Hilario
That’s what most idiots do whenever they run our of arguments: they prattle on about nothing but unrelated words. Here’s my friendly advice to you and others, do not ever go to any battle without enough ammunition. The only great ammunition you know is your infantile belief that you belong to the greatest university in this country. Yes, that’s the only source of your pride.
I repost what I stated above in reply to your pitiful rants:
Let me make it very clear. I posted Peikoff’s quotation to let you understand the meaning of rights. OK? Now, I am not an objectivism. I simply agree with the idea that rights do no impose obligation on others. Rights simply mean a right of action.
” Rights are claimed and very often imposed on others, as a practical matter.”
First off, as a philosophy major, this is not incidentally an Objectivist concept. This is an Aristotelian concept, for your information. When you said: ” Rights are claimed and very often imposed on others, as a practical matter.” Who made this claim? Do you know the logical consequence of this so crude, so absurd, so dangerous understand of rights? Rights are not impose on others. It is given metaphysically. You do not impose rights on others, for you and the other person have rights- to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
But it is clear that what you mean by “rights are claimed and very often impose on others” is an imposition of obligation, which means others are obliged to serve your rights (e.g. right to education or right to food). If that’s your understanding, then something has to provide you your means to education, which means someone has to make a sacrifice in order for you to exercise such a right. What a very fantastic concept.
Such an understanding is the very reason why most countries in the world today experience economic troubles. Greece is a very good example. In Greece, the socialist government guarantees the citizens’ right to education, food, shelter, and other basic needs and welfare. The socialist politicians believe every Grecian citizen has a right to “something.” Now it appears that the government is heavily cash-strapped, bankrupt, penniless due to its welfare statism. High tax rates are shooting through the roof, the country is heavily indebted to foreign creditors yet the people continue to protest for more welfare and rights. What you just stated: “that rights can be imposed on others” is perfectly practiced in Greece and other socialist countries like North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and others.
I firmly believe it is aika who owes an apology to the blogger for being too rude, too arrogant yet she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. I’d like to see a better debater here.
my fellow UPians, please join me in the move of simply not replying anymore to this blog post. There is no point against such people so indoctrinated by the prevalent capitalistic perspective. It is only to be expected from non-UP students to worship a book (or a set of books) as if it is the ultimate truth as long as it fits his ideological standards. We’ve learned a long time ago that not everything can be learned in the classroom, and not everything written in books are accurate, that is why we’ve become critical of a lot of things. The more we reply to this blog, the more we seem to affirm his importance and relevance to the world, one thing which he obviously is not. Let him post what he wants to post because he is an attention-seeker, he just wants to make controversy for the sake of controversy. And the more we reply, the more we push him into thinking that what he says matters, even if it doesn’t. We seem to forget that he’s just one kid with too much time on his hands, a luxury that we do not have. So let him waste his time and let’s not let this prick waste ours. If he’s stupid enough to start fire and get angry when he gets burned, well then so be it, its not our problem. thanks, and peace out!
OMG! Haha! Talk about insanity and here it is… Sad… Nababaliw na tong mga to. Hay naku! Nakakatawa lang mga comments niyo. More!!!
under what grounds? pathetic, ineng, use your brains first before replying. Basta maka-reply lang. There’s nothing remotely witty or relevant in your comment.
p.s. guys, come on, wake up, you’re arguing with a guy who quotes his blogs as if its a valid source of truth. Are people who are like this sensible people? or at least sensible people enough to argue with? Let’s just not reply given that if we don’t he’ll probably just fade out into oblivion.
But Pepe Smith, nonsense surely shouldn’t be allowed to stand unchallenged? Silence is such a waste of freedom of speech, especially since the topics addressed are, at core, really important ones:
* The role of the State in service delivery
* The entitlement to tertiary education
* Limits of freedom
Also it places the onus of responsibility on responders to frame our thoughts coherently, without succumbing to the temptation to revert to six year-old instincts and go “nyanyanya-nyanya-idiot fool!”
Some things we’ve learned from this blog, too, include that being bland won’t cut it with the Facebook crowd. You’ve got to be an ass to bring up tough questions so that my generation will even pick up a conversation (if a frequently distasteful one). The blogger found a hot button issue for many college going folks: Their alma mater. Also, all the philosophical categories of fallacies we were taught and don’t remember any more, haha.
You just gotta see that there is no spoon – or that it is you that bends.
Very useful to know if you want to kick-start a real conversation on the Philippine nets. Talo pikon.
I send you back your peace, bru!
Antonio Hilario
“Silence is such a waste of freedom of speech, especially since the topics addressed are, at core, really important ones:
* The role of the State in service delivery
* The entitlement to tertiary education
* Limits of freedom”
Ohh… No wonder the blogger branded UP the source of evil in this country. Oh, yes… you are all morons.
I disagree though, Antonio Hilario,arguing with a person who does not make sense is exactly like arguing with a guy with dementia in ward 7 of PGH, you won’t achieve anything because whatever you say, they are oblivious to reason. By all means, discuss the difficult questions, but I doubt that this is a good forum to discuss it. I ask you, if you see a crazy person at the street arguing that the world was in fact flat, would you stop and correct him? I doubt it, is it just because this guy is using some random theories to and blurts out as if he is an intellectual gives him the credit for our attention? Both of them don’t make a lot of sense, so why should a crazy person on some random street be treated any differently than this moron?
If he was making any sense, then by all means, argue! 😀 But if he doesn’t make sense, as you stated, don’t even try, because you’ll just be wasting your time.
Further I would like to defend the art of insult as I use it myself, though much more subtle than some of my colleagues. It’s an art, we don’t have to be so boring. Exactly, ang pikon ay talo, so kung sino mapikon sa pang-aasar namin ay talo. It’s a matter of choice, not necessarily a recluse when people fail to raise an intelligent argument. Masarap asarin ang mga mentally-challenged people like our friend right here, if he can’t take the insults, then talo siya 😛
“education is not a right”
kayganda naman ng kasinungalingang sinasabi mo.
hindi ba edukasyon ang sektor na may kailangan ng pinakamalaking budget?
SUCs are just like public colleges. hindi ba sa mga public elem at highschool government ang nag papaandar at yung pera galing sa taxes. kung gagawing private ang state Us and colleges sana gawing private na din yung mga public elems at hs.
matanong nga kita, sa populasyon ng bansa natin ilan ang nag-aral sa public elems at hs?
and if taxes should be labeled as ‘legalized theft’-wag ka na magbayad
sa tingin mo san kumukuha ang gobyerno ng panggawa ng mga daan at tulay,
san kumukuha ng pasahod sa mga pulis, teacher, armed forces atbp.
sa mga post mo pinapatunayan mo lang na nasa taas ka ng social triangle.
isa kang mayaman na walang pakialam sa nararamdaman ng mga nasa baba.
ish.
ps. sa tingin mo ba ilang porsyento ng tuition namin ang subsidiya ng gobyerno?
rakenrol
gusto ko yung way mo ng pagsulat kaso kami yung tinitira mo e. tsk tsk
I agree, though I know that the argument of whether education is a right or not is something very convoluted, a waste of time, if not downright hackneyed.
In any case, as I said, I agree, and I think we should do the same for all the public elementary and high schools.
If education is not a right, and that this statement’s necessary and logical consequence is to privatize all schools, then let’s do it on a grander, more universal scale. That way we are being consistent. Why only talk about universities, when all of my taxes go to these other schools with students that do not seem to show any hope of learning improvement? Or to these schools that teach nothing but how to spell “excuse” and how to get 50% of 30. These are schools that offer nothing but substandard form of education.
The same argument can be said about public hospitals. Why should I pay for these poor people who do not have the money to have themselves treated? I can understand my money going to infrastructures like roads, and the like, as I am able to use them from time to time.
If only these were constitutional.
However, I think the writer is proposing to change the constitution, saying that the government’s duty is to safeguard individual rights and not function like a Robin Hood. Though I do not see why playing Robin hood is wrong, let’s say I agree still. Then the first step would have to be to educate our children in such a way that they see Robin Hood as nothing but an idiot, a villain pretending to be the hero. Once that is done, we can proceed with charter change.
On the other hand, what if I am person who pays taxes because I would like to make use of the services of these universities and hospital some day. I could have my children go to these schools and be subsidized by the government, and it should be sensible since that is exactly why I am paying my taxes. The same can be said about hospitals. It may seem at the moment as if these general hospitals have been built merely for the poor, but that is because these are of very low quality. If they had been at par with the best hospitals of the country then now, there would be a sense to what these institions are being subsidized for by the government in the first place. I could go there when I am sick, since I know I will be treated no differently than in any other hospitals.
I do not see anything alturistic about all these. In fact, it really does not matter.
In addition, by giving these poor people the chance to go to school, we are increasing the number of people who have the capacity to pay taxes in the future, as opposed to just letting them rot for good. I am beginning to believe that that is what social development is all about. For all we know, the tax payers that the writer is referring to could be UP students before. (I see a lot of them getting hired every where)
Then the issue is not whether we should be allowing our government to be Robin Hood or not, but by making sure that what we had agreed to pay for will actually deliver.
by the way, what I think about the oblation? It is a concrete object supposedly meaning different things to many different people. And whatever the artist said about the oblation (whatever he made it for) does not have any business with what I think about it. Heck, it could mean something pornographic to some!
A well said comment. I agree with your point:))
My reply to Antonio Hilario:
I disagree though, Antonio Hilario,arguing with a person who does not make sense is exactly like arguing with a guy with dementia in ward 7 of PGH, you won’t achieve anything because whatever you say, they are oblivious to reason. By all means, discuss the difficult questions, but I doubt that this is a good forum to discuss it. I ask you, if you see a crazy person at the street arguing that the world was in fact flat, would you stop and correct him? I doubt it, is it just because this guy is using some random theories to and blurts out as if he is an intellectual gives him the credit for our attention? Both of them don’t make a lot of sense, so why should a crazy person on some random street be treated any differently than this moron?
If he was making any sense, then by all means, argue! 😀 But if he doesn’t make sense, as you stated, don’t even try, because you’ll just be wasting your time.
Further I would like to defend the art of insult as I use it myself, though much more subtle than some of my colleagues. It’s an art, we don’t have to be so boring. Exactly, ang pikon ay talo, so kung sino mapikon sa pang-aasar namin ay talo. It’s a matter of choice, not necessarily a recluse when people fail to raise an intelligent argument. Masarap asarin ang mga mentally-challenged people like our friend right here, if he can’t take the insults, then talo siya 😛
This pepe smith doesn’t deserve my time. I think I’m justified to say the person behind this comment is suffering from asperger’s syndrome.
and yet you still replied? hahaha, when you look up stupid in the dictionary, the’ll be a picture of you in it 😀
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
@ pepe smith – Hm, that some kind of back handed comment or what? Asperger’s syndrome is associated with disability – and heightened analytical skills.
@ MG Ylaya – so what’ll it be? Are you some kind of closet bigot or just a very talented member of Pepe’s club of insult artists?
BTW, very effective way to pull traffic to this site. I think we deserve a cut of what this Froi character’s future (present?) income from here. Anyhow, gotta get back to work.
back-handed and accurate man! 😛
Oh, yeah, certainly – but I was thinking of the other people who’ve done some posting here. Frankly, it’s something of an adrenaline rush picking up and sending responses – I guess it’s a bit like a soft anger management course, picking out signal from noise.
Have you noticed how threads like this one on Facebook don’t run for very long? I meant the strands here on tertiary education, public financing and so on. And how people really get ticked off when their group gets attacked. The entire blog reminds me of a shoot-em-up game, that way. I had the impression that this was some kind of experiment, probing how communities respond.
Heheh, yep, all the best with the insult-jitsu! I think I’ve had enough of this guy’s being enamored by – yikes! – Ayn Rand. Spooky stuff.
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
Hay, madali sabihin yang mga claims niyo kuya. Kasi hindi ninyo naranasan na hindi pumasok kasi walang pera. Hindi muna mag-enrol kasi walang pera.
Siguro nga, kasalanan namin na naging mahirap kami and all.
Pero, eto lang ang sasabihin ko sa’yo.
IKAW, kung nasaang UNIBERSIDAD ka man, ni wala kang pakialam sa mga kapatid mong hindi makatuntong sa kahit anong UNIBERSIDAD.
Sa UP. Ito ang kanilang pinaglalaban. Dahil, karapatan ko, karapatan mo, at karapatan ng milyong milyong kapatid natin ang makakuha ng disente, sapat at may kalidad na edukasyon.
simple but accurate. (and he didn’t need to cite any theorists! shocker! 😛 hahahaha)
Ang mga kumento sa blog post na to ay: 10% issue-based, 45% rubbish, 45% bullshit. Too many leftists here! Pinapakita lang nga mga makakaliwa na bunganga lang meron sila. Paglaki nila, sila sila rin ang mga pulitiko na mangungurakot.
Well, I think you have just defined your comment in that same manner. hahaha
In any case, I am not a leftist, and if I am not mistaken, this word was close to being dead in UP during my time about 5 years ago. UP students just really cannot stand mediocrity. They do not have to be leftist to react to to something cliche made new by throwing in objectivism, even that I think is cliche. Clearly, this all crumbles if one does not see the sense of that philosophy.
Besides, this guy is mentioning tax payers, when many of the tax payers we have today used to be the brilliant UP students before, now holding very good positions in many business and government organizations. (Only UP grads can run this country, and run it well. I am sure Ayn Rand would agree. ) And they want their taxes going to UP for they know that ROI would be good.
Like I said, if we push for privatization, we should push for privatization of everything if we want to be consistent. Why privatize only UP?
But doing that is missing the point. The reason why we pay taxes is because we want to have some sort of insurance that some day we can have a good hospital to treat us or a good school for our children to go to. Good thing, that in spite of everything- corruption and scarce budget- UP is still able to produce bright minds. Heck it is still the best university in the Philippines! Why do you think bloggers find it a good idea to attack this university over other ones? Hehe. It will not work with others, as only UP has the crowd who is able to comment in the most sensible way. Sorry for the arrogance, but really, imagine this blog being addressed to any other school. It would not be a controversy. I am thinking of writing another blog, actually. Something along the lines of “UP Students, you are not smart!”. That way I could have this much traffic here.
Anyhow, as a tax payer, I do not mind giving a bit more to UP. This is probably the only government institution that is not clad in any form of stupidity.
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
It seems my requests for a clarification on your stance on the notion of disaggregated epistemes have been lost in the flood of comments, I still hope you will be able to articulate your ideas regarding the Kantian tradition of philosophy in a more acceptable academic manner (i.e. without being utterly dismissive). Given that, my question is, why not start a tax revolt now ? Why don’t you go ahead and convince all of us to stop paying taxes? Clearly, your blog has influenced some people, but then we see a shortfall in your political strategy – might I ask how would you influence a society whose sociological systems are deeply entrenched in the values of community and “pakikisama” (although I take it that you objectivists don’t believe in such entrenchment, nevertheless I haven’t seen you constructively debunk it)? How do you promote rational faithlessness to a culture enamored in some sort of faith? You can’t just take Ayn Rand and bring her to the Philippines. Unless you expect us to experience an objectivist epiphany, and frankly, gleaning from the comments above – that isn’t happening soon.
Good Day.
“I still hope you will be able to articulate your ideas regarding the Kantian tradition of philosophy in a more acceptable academic manner”
READ:
This tackles the philosophy of Ayn Rand, Aristotle, and Kant
On Ethics and Politics
On absolute morality
“Given that, my question is, why not start a tax revolt now ? Why don’t you go ahead and convince all of us to stop paying taxes?”
– Education is the only way and activism through blogging and dealing with people.
“might I ask how would you influence a society whose sociological systems are deeply entrenched in the values of community and “pakikisama” (although I take it that you objectivists don’t believe in such entrenchment, nevertheless I haven’t seen you constructively debunk it)?”
On the relativism of tradition, culture, religion, etc.
On free-market capitalism, tradition, ethnicity, etc.
“How do you promote rational faithlessness to a culture enamored in some sort of faith?”
On religion and faith
On Free-market capitalism and individualism
And the related blogs above
And THIS ONE!
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This blog entry is a perfect example of the different notions of reality we got submerged into. And by reality, I mean “everything ” that falls under it. Including our “rights”.
Your attack was partly objective, and mostly subjective (since this is your stand), but what you have to understand is not everything that you have put in here can be applied in real life.
This might be deviating from the topic, but I think there’s a need to say this:
What is your definition of “hard work”?
That is what I would like to find out.
Because apart from people who work in offices, or in companies, I’ve seen people who weren’t able to finish their studies; who are illiterate, but still struggle to get their children enrolled in schools, or worse, find at least a decent meal for their families… or a shelter, or some clothes. Visit slum areas, do community work.
I tell you.
They are very willing to learn.
They just don’t have the resources to expand it.
Do you think the concept of equivalent exchange is still applicable in real life? Not everything you have worked hard for can be rewarded the same way as others were rewarded.
This is a sad fact: we’re living in a third world country. Majority of the people living here belongs to the marginalized sector. But just because this is so doesn’t mean we have to accept it as it is, knowing we can alleviate it in some way. I still want to believe we can solve problems in a collective manner.
We can never understand the magnitude of something unless we experience it firsthand.
And you can never really generalize what “hard work” means. So, isn’t this why we have to understand their way of living?
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As what other UP students said here, we are fighting for the quality education that poor people can afford. We’re fighting for the students who deserve to at least have hope of alleviating their current lifestyle through education. Because it’s their stepping stone to progress in life. Because poor people “work hard” too (unfortunaly not rewarded with the same benefits that other people get), and are also obligated to pay for taxes.
Since you were opposed to UP students vying for higher state subsidy, and since you have the time to negate the beliefs of UP students, I think it is proper for you to propose an alternative solution for this.
Funny, almost all comments who are like comments in you tube are from the same or similar IP of the blog writer. LOL. Destroying how UP students act eh?
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Hmmm… Another insecure ugly UP biatch! I completely agree with the blogger in writing this… I’m not from UP, am I bitter also? Your being from UP doesn’t give you the right to make insane comment since you’re simply being subsidized by our taxes. Is that clear, bitch?!
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The commenter’s email: bernardo.cielo@gmail.com
Bernardo Cielo
http://yoopee.multiply.com/journal/item/6538/VOTE_STRAIGHT_ASAP-KATIPUNAN_on_March_6_2009_UP_Manila
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
Based on what I read on the comment section, most commenters, whom I think from UP, cannot argue properly without bashing or showing their being uneducated.
Umayos kayo. Kasi pabigat kayong lahat sa taong bayan. Puro na lang “di nakapasa sa UPCAT” ang banat niyo wala namang maayos na pinagsasabi. Yung iba malili-mali pa ang grammar. Marami namang commenters na akala mo kung sinong magsabi ng bobo or magmura eh balu-baluktot naman ang kanilang mga pinagsasabi at walang kuwenta ang kanilang mga pinupunto.
Tama. Nagsasayang lang tayo ng pera sa mga mayayabang na ipokritong mga taga-state U. ABOLISH UP!
duh? wla kng kmalayan or wat? hndi nmn ibg sbhn n marunong ng wikang Ingles ay marami ng alam. haha ang mssbi ko lang, yan ba ang naidudulot ng hndi pumsa ng UPCAT? 😉
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Bernardo Cielo
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
It’s no use, blogger. You’re attacking a school of soul leeches, Peter Keatings and Ellsworth Tooheys. You’ll never win. Not in a hundred years. I suggest you write posts explaining the philosophical foundations of objectivism and then ram them down their throats. So that these bigots from UP will know what it is before they tell you they’re from UP and you’re not and you don’t have the right to criticize them. It’s obvious some of them actually never read the post. I’m from UP and I know there are lots of second-handers who borrow an undeserved prestige and conceit from the name of the school. Well? Fuck them.
P.S. I hope you’ll write about the boon or bane of the expanded senior citizens act.
Here’s MY REPLY to your letter, Gail.
I am a graduate of the University of the Philippines. I love the university, it’s ideals, it’s teachings, it’s “quality education”. I respect and honor the University wholeheartedly. I do not, however, respect most of the student activists that the university has.
I agree with the author and his point on the subject of Subsidy. Free education and higher subsidy to education will deprive other sector of the budget it deserves. However, the role of the government is to wisely allocate our budget so that it will serve to the needs of every sector as much as possible.
Here is what I had observed in student activism in the university as of late. Some of these student activists exert to much time on barking with too much bruhaha than actually studying and making themselves the best product of education.
“Do not bite the hand that feeds you.”
Activist students, with their usual mode of opposing the administration that they think does not give them what they deserve, will not get what they deserve unless they make themselves deserving.
One thing they can do is to perform well at school, graduate with honors, and become the one who administers the policy that they want.
Caution to the Author: Do not start a big fight with UP student activists. There are a lot of them out there. They how to fight. They can throw paints at a Chancellor, even capable of breaking the gate of CHED.
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ribosomelysosome wrote on Mar 3, ’09
Bernardo “Cielo” Cielo II — “TRAPO!!! Plastic mo! Ang bait mo na ngayon dahil kandidato ka pero sa MaSci at last sem akala mo Diyos ka! Alam naman namin na peke ang pagiging FA Head mo! Block mo nga hindi ka suportado! At lalong hindi kaming mga taga-MaSci na nakakakilala sa totoong ugali mo!
“Makakarma ka din! Andami mong sinirang freshie dahil pinuwersa mong sumali sa EKIT, kunyari dinner dinner lang yun pala orientation tapos pag umayaw sasampalin nyo o kaya pwersahang gagawing neophyte saka nyo tatakutin. Mahiya ka sa balat mo! Ilang ka-batch natin sa MaSci ang ginanyan mo! At maraming taga-FA ang pinilit mo!”
WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT…
pathetic attempt to discredit the commenter 😀
BURN!! High five, mate!
mahirap makiargumento sa taong NAKAKAHON ang utak,.:D
PLEASE LEARN TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! 😀
PS: hindi kmi nging UP students dhil pnasa nmin ang UPCAT, nging UP students kmi dhil s mga pnagdaanan, pnagda2anan at pgda2anan p nming HIRAP (exams, labreport, quizzes (n prang exam!), at mrami pang iba,..;D))
AND hindi lhat ng UP students ay activists!,.AT kung mga aktibista mn cla,..ngkataon lng na MAS MAY ALAM sila kesa sa atin,..:D
and PLEASE pagaralan mu muna ang LAHAT ng anggulo,..wag yung sulat ng sulat eh ahem,.hahhah,..syang mgaling kpa nmn snang mgsulat kya lng ang dmi mung ncommit n error such as hasty generalization,false analogy,etc. ;p
TRY mu munang mag aral sa UP ng malaman mu ang pagka2iba,.:)
This is a comment from a clear minded prof that might contradict/support some of the comments in this blog:
“This is what happens when the majority of UP students keep silent and not speak out a contrary view to the loud propaganda of a few. The public will perceive that all UP students subscribe to these demonstrations. The blog is also a warning sign to us that we should also be sensitive to the plight of many who may not directly benefit from a UP education, but feel they too have a stake at what goes on in the state U that they help fund.”
I hope this finishes it.
you know what, smart pants?angal ka ng angal.bakit, alam mo ba ang pinagdadaanan naming mga iskolar ng bayan?so sa tingin mo para sa sarili namin ang paghingi namin ng mas mataas na subsidiya sa edukasyon?well, think again.
alam mo, sa bawat salita na nababasa ko sa iyong BLOG ang nakikita ko ay ang bitterness mo.ang laki ng galit mo sa UP a.bakit?hindi ka nakapasa sa UPCAT?or something like that?tssk.
at sa bawat ingles na salita na ginagamit mo sa iyong malanobelang katha, pinapatunayan mo lang na nagpapakatrying hard ka.Oo, ikaw na ang magaling mag-Ingles.that’s a fact, right?sana ‘yang kagalingan mo gamitin mo sa mas magandang bagay. ang nakikita mo lang kasi sa ginagawa naming mga iskolar ng bayan ay ang gusto mong makita. bigyan mo din naman ng pansin ang aming mga adhikain.bago ka umatake, alamin mo muna ng buong-buo ang isyu, hindi yung blog ka ng blog.and mind you, hindi namin ginagawang alipin ang mga taxpayer, meron din naman sa pamilya namin ang taxpayer a.mag-isip ka.gusto lang namin maibigay ng buo ang kung ano ang dapat matanggap ng UP.
kaya kami lumalaban kasi hindi kami sponge na absorb lang ng absorb.nagfifilter din kami.at bago kami umatake, iniisip din namin ang pros at cons ng isyu.
sa ngayon, yan muna.saka na ulit. kung gusto mo ng debate against UP students, hamunin mo kami. kasi kami kaya naming patunayan na may sense ang pinaglalaban namin, na hindi para sa sarili namin ang pinaglalaban namin.
halos lahat ng argument mo,puro na lang about sa leftist UP profs.wala ka kasi sa loob ng sistema ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas kaya mo na yan nasasabi.nagbabayad din ng tax ang mga magulang namin,marami sa amin ay nagbabayad din ng tuition fee at pinaghirapan din naman namin ang pagpasok namin sa UP.
“FYI, UP is becoming more and more of a threat to this country because of its liberal and leftist professors.”
“I don’t expect all your stupid liberal professors to teach you the proper concept of rights.”
nakakatawa yung mga sinasabi mo,kung pakikinggan kita parang may verbal diarrhea ka.
Kapansinpansin nga ang blog mo pero kung sulat ka lang ng sulat ng ganito at walang ginagawang hakbang,anong tulong ang maidudulot mo sa bayan?unless you find a solution,you’re still part of the problem.
To blogger:
May nakapagsabi saken na ang tertiary education ay isang luxury. Basic education lang ang libre. Sabihin na natin na tama sya pero hindi ba hindi ito angkop sa Pilipinas? Sa US siguro pwede pa. Dito sa Pilipinas, kung gusto mong makahanap ng matinong trabaho kelangan college graduate ka. At para makapasok sa college ang mga mahirap, kelangan hindi bubutasin ng gastos ang bulsa nila kasi walang matitira sa kanilang pang-araw-araw na pangangailangan. Kung ikaw ay isa sa mga mahihirap nating kababayan, anong uunahin mo, ang tumuntong sa college o ang kumakalam na sikmura? Kung mahal ang tertiary education, wala kang choice kundi tugunan ang kumakalam mong sikmura at good luck na lang sa paghahanap mo ng matinong trabaho. Tertiary education is not a right, it’s a necessity and a prerequisite to a good job.. for now. P.S. Pwede wag idamay si Oble (Oblation Statue)?
Sa mga nagsasabing i-abolish ang UP:
Wag naman, sobra na yun. Try nyo mag-aral sa UP at baka marealize nyo hindi lahat ng estudyante ay aktibista, na hindi lahat ng prof ay tinuturuan na maging aktibista ang mga estudyante at hindi matatawaran ang kalidad ng edukasyon sa UP.
Sa mga nagsasabing evil ang mga UP activists:
Ipinaglalaban lang nila kung ano ang sa tingin ay dapat at makatarungan dumadating nga lang sa point na sobra sobra na at marahas. (e.g. pagbato ng paint kay Chancellor). Pero hindi naman lahat. May ilan lang talaga na dumadating sa point na ganon. Pero hindi ibig sabihin non ay mapanganib at ignorante na ang mga aktibista ng UP. Again, ipinaglalaban lang nila ang mas mataas na subsidy para mas marami ang maka-afford ng sinasabing ng iba dyan na luxury, ang tertiary education, na sa aking opinyon ay isang pangangailangan… 🙂
Excuse me po, komunista po ako. Medyo na-offend po ako.
My apologies if I hurt your feelings. Yes, THIS IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS!!!
kuya ang GALING mo. ASTIG ang mga ideolohiya mo patungkol sa tunay na esensya ng KARAPATAN. para bagang ‘yan ang paniniwala mo simula’t sapul. NABASA mo nga ba talaga ang SALIGANG BATAS? Pakibalikan nga ung artikulong nagsasaad sa depenisyon ng karapatan upang MALAMAN MONG MALI ANG MGA HINAIN MONG DAHILAN para SABIHING HINDI KARAPATAN ANG EDUKASYON KANINUMAN NA IKINUMPARA MO LAMANG KUNG SAAN! xD
ang haba
First and foremost, do you really know what those students are shouting and fighting for? They are asking for a higher state subsidy. Do you know what’s the best solution to that? PROPER BUDGET ALLOCATION, I’m sure you’ve read that from previous comments. Now, where is the connection between ALLOCATION and TAX? Based on what I have read in your blog, you are saying that UP students have the right to ask the government to steal from taxpayers for their own needs (Pedro and Juan). If UP students have that RIGHT then what is the purpose of having rallies, walkouts, et cetera? Why rally if you know you can get what you want? It may seem individualistic but we should face the truth that humans have that kind of trait. Also, there are many forms of tax. One of those is VAT. Almost all (if not all) are paying ADDED TAX in every purchase they do here in the Philippines. That implies that we are ALSO taxpayers. Now, does it mean that UP students asks the government to steal from themselves? HOW PATHETIC.
“do you really know what those students are shouting and fighting for?”
Yes, I know. Those students want to up the level of slavery in the country…
Sobra ka naman. . . Mas malakas nga mang alipin ang mga Capitalista.
di mo rin siguro talaga naiintindihan ang Communism. . .
Pati yata ung Principles ng democrasiya di mo naiintindihan eh. . .
O, isama mo pa ung duties and responsibilities ng Gobyerno natin sa mga taong sakop nito. di mo din ata naintindihan un eh
di mo rin siguro nakikita ang estado ng lipunan natin. . .
umalis ka kaya kasi sa safe zone mo at subukan, kahit subukan man lang maglakad sa landas na tinatahak nila.
meeeeh puro copy paste, pano ko to papaniwalaan. :))
You people do not actually send me to school, I have paid more than what I am getting from UP.
Manong try mo mag-aral dito, kasi di mo na experience eh kaya hindi mo alam, asa ka lang sa sabi sabi.
Tapos i fla-flag mo pa yung commenter tapos mag lalagay ng mga bagay bagay against him, napaka childish.
BLOG = PLAIN TRASH
My goodness. I can’t believe most people from UP are ignoramuses!
It’s proven. These stupid commenters are nothing but full of crap. Heck! They can’t even argue properly.
1. Many UP commenters resort to name-calling because they can’t control their feelings. But that doesn’t mean they’re idiots. I doubt an idiot could pass a demanding and exhilirating 5-hour exam called UPCAT.
2. Based from what I’ve seen so far, many commenters have answered the blogger’s point.
3. Don’t call UP students idiots or ignoramuses based only on how they commented. Most would have read this blog and decided not to comment because it’s not useful.
4. If it’s being against the redshirts the blogger is talking about, is it not right that one should learn the arguments before siding. That’s where education also steps in. If a poor guy doesn’t get education, chances are, to the blogger and his supporter’s horror, he will join the ‘communists’ who would approach him because it’s the only thing he knows.
5. Mind you, UP students do not wish to steal from the people through more taxes. They only want proper management of taxes already collected so that more brilliant yet less fortunate people get education and in result help the country so that the time comes that they won’t have to pay that much tax. In fact, these students might even end up discovering oil or some important commodity in our country that we won’t have to pay taxes like many Middle Eastern countries!
6. Can people stop throwing mud at each other and argue about the legitimate issues?
7. To UP people, kung galit talaga tayo sa blogger, hindi makakatulong ang paninira. Just ignore this blog. Period.
Wao~ exactly why I hate debates… it gets too complicated… People say stuff like “Argue with the statement” then precede it with an insult on their next post… it gives me a headache… Some argue about ad hominem and shit and others agree… but then they forget that whole thing about hasty generalizations… I’m from Baguio and I somehow know the hardships that many of the locals experience just to have good education and sometimes it just doesn’t cut it… I think education is a right but that’s kinda not the case anymore I guess…
I guess I’ll get flamed here because of my childish views. I have nothing on philosophy and economics and the likes and my english isn’t so good… But (just an opinion!!) after a while this whole thread becomes pointless because it does not become about the resolution of an existing conflict but it becomes more of a hodgepodge of all these miniature wars like grammar freaks and school pride stuff… My simple head can’t really understand the totality of it in one sitting and I’d hate to make a bash on a theory I have not studied yet… I’m just saying things out of experience and observation. people fight to much~ haha!
yo! Blogger person… You have internet connection?.. perhaps you have a computer?… a phone?… an educated mind? yeah, I kinda noticed~ heheheh! but what is that if it is not for the benefit of others? hmmm, maybe it will benefit some but the way I see it, if the world will bend to your will and UP and other state schools will be privatized then some people won’t be able to go to school anymore… You probably do not know how that is because I doubt you ever had to sell everything you have and be a freeloader in someplace just so you can eat… You know stuff about economics and government but maybe… I think… all those poverty clips that you’ve seen (if ever you’ve bothered).. they’re nothing but mediocre pictures in comparison to the true experiences that those people have to go through just to have something… may it be food, water..basic needs. maybe in those UP rallies, half of them are shouting their pleas for themselves… and perhaps half of them just wants it so that the next wouldn’t have to suffer for the same thing?. .. ahh.ha ha. I make no fucking sense~ no brains for it!!! (I’m not from UP so shut that “people from UP are idiots thing”.. it’s more fucking childish than me~) hahah~ you say so many mean things for someone educated… oh, makes me think that you’re eliminating competition… it has a quite “Hitler” feel… like those who can’t afford should try their hardest but then you also go against the odds that are closest to them which is .. you know… public schools…. it just reminds me of the whole aryan race thing… kinda scary huh? heh-heh… okay!! I’m not saying that you’re another Hitler… that’s too mean~ i still respect history… hmmm… just learn compassion ne? It does people wonders and it might make your mind a bit more useful too… not that it’s totally useless… ahhhh! I’m sorry….. ah…. “Thosewhocannotdrawon3000yearsislivinghand-to-mouth”… yeah… I guess that’s it…. I’m sorry!!! I don’t have the brains for this!! T^T
to all iskos/iskas who are commeting on this blog:
Remind ko lang po. The issue here is not where the blogger and his supporters are coming from, whether or not they’re UPCAT passers or NOT. Ang isyu dito e yung “Education is not a right” at ang pagtatangkang pribatisasyon sa lahat ng State-Us for the sake of so called “self-sustained”. Please avoid personal bashing at iwasan din nating ungkatin at ipagyabang na UP students tayo at sila e hindi. Personal bashing just makes us less deserving of being called ISKOLAR NG BAYAN. 🙂
again, feel free to oppose, whether in violent or civilized manner. your call. 😉
Peace y’all.
All this talk is making no sense…What i want to know is…Who fly faster? Wonder woman or Darna?
Dear blogger, I would just like to point out that you only posted the harsh comments from some UP students. You failed to give them justice by not posting some of the good responses like: “thank you for posting your points, you successfully aroused a possible debate.” And to think that you study in a Catholic school. Is sharing “partially true” stories what they teach in Catholic schools these days? If you tell a story, make sure that you include all POVs from ALL PARTIES involved. To be honest, I’m not a UP student. I’m not even in college yet. But when I saw your blog, I think that its unfair that you criticize other universities. Are you then saying that your school is better than those you criticize? I believe NOT. You criticized THE HOLY TRINITY of schools in the Philippines so that means that YOU ARE ON THE OUTSIDE and therefore has no right to criticize the culture of these schools. How could you know about the cultures of these schools if you have never been a part of it? Remember that you and I and everybody else who are not from these schools are JUST OBSERVERS and what we see from the outside may not be the whole truth, Hell, it may just be a tiny fraction of the truth. Remember that CAPITALISM is THE ULTIMATE SIN. “Masama ang manlamang ng kapwa.” You should just leave your school. You will one day bring shame to your catholicized school. Or is it Jesuit? tss. >:)
I’m sorry if you get offended by this post. My intention is not to humiliate you, I just want to say that YOU ARE THE CRUEL ONE. YOU ARE SELFISH. REFLECT ON YOURSELF FIRST BEFORE JUDGING OTHERS.
ahhh. taga-Catholic school pala si Vincent.
hmmm. mayaman ito siguro.
i see that you don’t believe in the existence of state universities.
please, do us, UP Students, a favor and study the concept of neoliberalism.
and mind you, most countries in Asia have state-run universities.
it’s a shame that an educated person like you can spill this much shit online.
ok?
This is another idiot from UP who doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Oh yeah, idiot, these state universities are all present in socialist/statist countries like North Korea. Read the other blogs to educate yourself, IDIOT FROM UP!
Idiot from UP? Sounds interesting. I feel like posting that on my sites, so I could rouse attention. If it were “Idiot from (any other school)”, people would not mind it, as yes, that statement would then be a useless tautology. However, “Idiot from UP” would certainly be controversial, if not downright confusing for some, as that is simply not possible, just like saying “Education is not a right!” In other words, debatable.
Really, whether education is a right or not does not matter, as it is good for societies to invest in Education for the sake of development, progress, etc. Investing in it would, of course, mean helping people go to school. Why complicate it with Objectivist bullshit and throwing in funny things like “Stupid UP people”, which is a contradiction. And why should I read the other blogs, when this crap is already stupidly amusing. Good way to relieve stress knowing that upstarts abound, and are actually capable of compounding fallacies with comical contradictions? haha
@ Cef You said: “whether education is a right or not does not matter, as it is good for societies to invest in Education for the sake of development, progress, etc.”
This statement is a proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that you don’t clearly grasp the proper concept of rights. Of course, education is good for people and societies, but “education is not a right” does not mean people are deprived of education. There’s a big difference between “right to education” and freedom in education.” The blogger discussed this issue here- https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/freedom-in-education-versus-right-to-education/ .The argument of the education rightists is that the government must provide education to people just like any welfare state dole-out. That is, their argument is to make the government or the state the REDISTRIBUTER of wealth. Do you even know the concept of “redistribution of wealth”? Well, if you’re a closet socialist or a liberal then I understand you don’t have any idea about this concept. If you don’t clearly understand the evil of redistribution of wealth, I’m very much sure you ignorant of the proper concept of rights. A right does not impose any obligation on other people. It means people have the right to act according to the rule of law and natural law. Indeed, you really need to educate yourself first.
@Anti-Statism
I am glad I had myself educated in the best school, really. You are obviously not getting the point of my reply. In addition, you are being incoherent, if not inconsistent.
I do not care whether “There’s a big difference between “right to education” and freedom in education.” I do not care about the natural law, and neither should you, as that would just make what is convoluted even more convoluted.
What is more important is that the state provides for those who could not afford a good education, as there could be many of these poor who could actually bring back some valuable discoveries, inventions, innovations, etc, that our country can use in the future. The issue is actually beyond Rights. And if the government is smart, it would not allow itself to be drowned by philosophical discussions that, though great and should be encouraged among the young, are nothing but, in most cases, bereft of anything practical. I DO NOT care whether you think I am a SOCIALIST or a COMMUNIST or a phony CAPITALIST, because the truth is, none of us would know what these really mean, though we have a lot of pretentious know-it-alls pathetically defining these concepts without even getting close to making the best explications of what they really are.
My point is simple, if the government wants to have more people who could propel progress and development, invest in education. SEND MORE PEOPLE to school. You certainly cannot expect our country to be advanced economically when majority of the people cannot even spell, COHERENCE. Now, I hope “Whether education is a right or not does not matter”is clearer to you. 🙂
@ Cefon. You’re a pitiful creature.
You said: “I am glad I had myself educated in the best school, really.”
Best in what? In idiotating people like you?
You said: “I do not care about the natural law, and neither should you, as that would just make what is convoluted even more convoluted.”
Then this is a proof that your school is nothing but a school of idiotation. It’s useless to argue with a creature who’s impervious to reason. Really, you are part of the rising statistics of IDIOTS in RP. If you’re really a product of the “best school” in the country, then my condolences.
Hahaha. Convince yourself. See how you resort to attacking the persona instead of the argument? That’s because your argument is weak, and you yourself does not have to ability to make good ones. I rest my case, with my belief more reinforced that I had come across this sorry blog, nothing but a pseudo-study of this and that, with fanatics that pretend to know all about rights, socialism and ekek. My god people can you even read what you write? RIGHTS? You cannot even define it well, and you are talking about it. VERY FUNNY!
@ Cef
The problem is you do not have any argument at all, but plain gibberish that exposes the gaping hole in your head. If you don’t believe that capitalism and socialism have no objective meaning, then there’s no use to argue with a nihilist creature like you. Clearly you don’t understand how philosophy and ideas work here simply because you’re dumb. So for you we also don’t know the exact, objective meaning of such terms as “rights”, “education”, “democracy”, “economics”, “politics”, etc. A graduate of the “best school” in the country? Oh, give me a fuckin’ break! Really the word “IDIOT” fits you…
Cefon is a lunatic creature. A product of the best school in the country? What a travesty.
His lunacy is summed up by this gibberish: “I DO NOT care whether you think I am a SOCIALIST or a COMMUNIST or a phony CAPITALIST, because the truth is, none of us would know what these really mean, though we have a lot of pretentious know-it-alls pathetically defining these concepts without even getting close to making the best explications of what they really are.”
Oh, yeah… No one can be certain of anything. Cefon is not even sure his brain is empty or not. That’s the product of the so-called “best school” in RP… a nihilist creature who thinks words and terms have no exact, objective meaning and are detached from reality.
Another statement from a lunatic creature line Cefon: “What is more important is that the state provides for those who could not afford a good education, as there could be many of these poor who could actually bring back some valuable discoveries, inventions, innovations, etc, that our country can use in the future. ”
Yes, and they provide the same “right” in tyrannical regimes like North Korea, Cuba, and Iran. He said he’s a product of the so-called “best school” in the country yet he doesn’t have the brain to grasp that some people have to be sacrificed before the state can have “education” to offer to poor people. Where are the discoveries, inventions and innovations of the products of the “best sch0ol” in the country? Last time I checked UP produced the worst politicians in the country like dictator Marcos, Gloria Arroyo, M. Defensor, Mike Defensor, among many others. Last time I checked most of the innovations, inventions and discoveries came from the private universities of foreign countries.
Yes, this lunatic creator, Cefon, is the living proof that the so-called “best school” in the country is indeed a crappy school of looters and moochers.
Another slippery slope here. You see, I pay my taxes and that I do without any tax shield. You know why I think your comment is nothing but another attempt to make know that you actually know just a little bit. That is because I went to school and scholarship. In case you do not know what that means, the government spent for me. Now, I giving back and helping this country get back on her feet.
What the F are you talking about? Tyrannical terms? How is that related to what I wrote? And how is that a logical consequence of investing in education. Come on, you can do better than that. I could be a simple businessman and know that investing in something that has good ROI (returns of investment, in case you do no know) is not just logical, but practical. Oh, well. I guess I will never be able to get any good conversation here. I had better ones with the 3-year olds. And again, yes. I went to the best school. And I think you did not, for you clearly need to work on your comprehension first. Forget all these big words, man. Learn how to read and understand first. Jeez!
@Anti-Statism
Haha! I can see you are really pissed. I do not blame you. I mean, after being pushed to the realization that what one knows is actually nothing compared to what he doesn’t is indeed frustrating. Come on, YOU DO NOT KNOW these things. It’s plain to see. Even grade schoolers can see right through your argumentation. The word ïdiot” fits me? Yes, it probably does, if it means “smart”. What does ïdiot” mean to you, anyhow? Somebody who professes to know little of rights that you claim to know oh so dearly? Are you F-ing serious? Your definition of what right is could not even pass for a kindergarten dictionary.
One thing stands, the government MUST SEND MORE PEOPLE TO SCHOOL so I could live a grand life, and maybe you, too. You call that altruistic. F that! you probably don’t know what altruistic means, too?
Rights? It does not have any business in sending people to school. I do not care about their rights. I only care about what they can do for me when they know how to define concepts that you enumerated. I can see that you need that kind of education, too, as it is irritating for us UP grads to pay taxes for brainless hypocrites who they think know everything just because they know how to type. Go to school! I mean the real one. WTF!
LMAO! How can an idiot with the brain of a three-year-old girl be “smart”? Don’t flatter yourself. You said nothing but pure crap, parasite!
Ok. 🙂
To our socialist filipino brothers,
We have the right to protect our life, our property, our family, our liberties, and we must practice our rights to voluntarily help the people in need. Education is not a right, it is a demand, in economic terms. Free education is impossible since we need material, and human resource to run an educational system efficiently and these resources are scarce and giving it away for free is taking away something from other people, sadly thats how the government works.
To summarize, free education will further undermine our already worse economic conditions for the worst. The government will endlessly fund the system and drag the whole economy down either by more taxes or debauch our currency thru inflation.
We need the “right education” not “right to education”. Right education means self responsibility, critical thinking, and proper reasoning that rejects wrong ideas.
Right to education means dependency on the efforts of other people, spoon feeding,
and being slave to the whims of the education commissars.
“With the right education, who needs right to education?”
-mbp3r3z@gmail.com
Over the past few weeks my blog tracker has been sending me feedback and reactions to this blog entry. now I’d like to address of the one lies concocted by some of my critics [presumably] from UP. Here’s one link I found http://upoucommunity.net/forum/11-governance-and-politics/11360-do-you-agree-that-up-and-all-sucs-should-be-privatized.html. There are more than 10 links I found online and some of the forum commenters echo the same plain- that I deleted/removed “rational” and “good” comments on my site so as to put my UP critics in bad light.
I must admit I deleted some of the comments on some of my blogs because it is part of my policy to delete rude, threatening, out-of-this-world comments. All of the comments I deleted contain threats, expletives, and very rude remarks. I cannot tolerate threats, expletives and observe words and statements on my site. If you call them “sane comments” then you must be insane, you liars and parasites!
The guys who posted this link (http://upoucommunity.net/forum/11-governance-and-politics/11360-do-you-agree-that-up-and-all-sucs-should-be-privatized.html) states:
“Our fellow UP folks contradicted his reason on the first blog entry, saying that “Education is a right according to what article 14 section 1 of the 1987 Constitution says”
“It stated that:
“The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.
“His response from his critics in his first blog entry:
“I am very much disappointed by how ignorant and stupid some of my critics are. Before I posted my controversial blog entitled To All UP Students: Education is NOT a Right, I was expecting a rational, purposeful, sane debate.”
I think he didn’t read my blog at all. I stated in my blog the following:
“The question really is not whether our students have the “right to quality education at all levels”, but whether there is such a fantastical “right.” I am primarily against this notion- that the state, according to our semi-socialist Constitution, has the eternal duty to “protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels” and “to make such education accessible to all”- simply because it is against economic and political realities and because it will only lead to our own collective destruction. In fact, it would be a great idea if the government really had the power to create wealth out of nothing. But this is not the reality. Reality tells us that the government is the most dependent entity on earth. It depends on our physical and mental ability to work and produce wealth. Thus, the concept of “free access to quality education” is a highly onerous mortgage on a not yet existing wealth, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to deliver it.”
And in another blog (https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/dealing-with-mediocrity/) I wrote:
“It’s a pity that too many of them point to the 1987 Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights when I attacked the “right to education.” The people who drafted the Constitution are morally guilty for bringing us the kind of extreme disaster that we now about to face. Many societies have failed in the past due to the collective ignorance of their leaders. What they fail to realize is that this “right to education” monstrosity was perfectly practiced by Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. The “right to education” is being perfectly applied in all slave pens on earth like North Korea, Cuba, China, Venezuela, etc. Not only did the murderous dictators guarantee universal right to education, but universal right to health care, food rations, and other basic commodities as well.”
What kind of drugs are you on, peeps?!
tsk tsk, censorship, deletion of feedback and comments… is that what Objectivists have been reduced to? gagging the public’s viewpoints? you sir would have made a great communist party leader. bow ako sayo, even China’s internet censorship is no match for your selective manipulation of the truth. Ayn Rand would have been proud of you and your demonstration of freedom… everyone is “free” to say whatever they want, as long as its on your terms.
Hypocrite. Delete this if you must, it will only prove me right.
It’s either you’re insane or a plain idiot. This is a private property. I am not a government. I have the right to delete stupid, rude, derogatory and dishonest comments like yours. You just proved you’re a public educated idiot.
You are an asshole for insulting someone using the words “public educated.” Don’t you realize many of our smartest men and women come from UP? And, these smartest people aren’t usually the rich ones who come from class a-c.
You are an ignorant bigot who probably was educated in some expensive private university and I bet you don’t give a damn about the poor because you never felt how it was to be like one of them. I studied in a private school but still, thank God, this private school taught me to take care of the poor unlike yours.
government jobs are still the best when it comes to job security *~,
fast foods are of course very popular these days because the price is cheap and there are lots of menu to choose from ::
madaming libro sa UP lib mga iska at isko, subukan niyo kasi magbasa sa filipinana section para alam niyo kung paano kayo pinagloloko ng mga aktibista… hindi bawal ang mag-isip.
Had fun with your philosophy classes? Yes? You have failed to see what is really happening in the outside world. I am not saying this blog is complete nonsense; but this is stupid.
Ipagpaumanhin niyo lang ha, pero bakit ang UP lang ang nagpapagtu-unan ng pansin hinggil sa edukasyo- edukasyon na yan. May isa pang school na pinapatakbo ng gobyerno na kung tutuusin ay wala namang silbi, in the context of present day realities. Ano yun? Ang Philippine Military Academy. Consider how much the “people” spend for each cadet. At least a million every year? And for what? learning how to march snappily? Do the about face? Parade rest? Wear “properly” uniforms that hark back to the US revolutionary war? What indeed has this “premier” military school produced since it was established WITH TAXPAYER’S MONEY? Torturers? Failed coup plotters? Fugitives from justice? Suppose the country goes to war now, do we even have a chance to survive a skirmish, much more win a battle? Or maybe we could win a war if the Cavaliers use their tongues, as I was told they are made to lick the toilet floor when they are plebes – to build their character daw. Wow.
Education in the PMA is free. Since the idea of “free education” riles you so much, why don’t you write a blog against the Academy too. Lahat ng libre kasuklamsuklam yan eh, diba? Sa komunista yan, di ba? Pwes, hayan ang isang ehemplo ng isang ridiculously anachronistic institution the continued operations of which is glaringly a total waste of taxpayers’ money. Heck, why do we have to pay for those funny hats with feathers, the grey wool uniforms and other equipment that are totally useless in the “real world.”
At least a UP engineering graduate possesses the skills to build things. A UP Med grad possesses the skill to heal. What skills does a PMA graduate, for whose education the taxpayers spend far more than for a UP student, possess when he descends from Baguio? Basically the skill to kill. It would therefore be reasonable if we cut-off the subsidy to the Academy and let those cadets pay for their education. After all, freeloaders are a bane to our world. Di ba?
Now having said that, your view on the “right to education” is very simplistic, not to mention twisted. When society educates its people, it does not diminish itself. It enriches itself. Providing access to quality education is NOT “a highly onerous mortgage on a not yet existing wealth, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to deliver it.” It is an investment in the future with guaranteed profitable results, which also ensures the very survival of the government and society. A nation of learned people, educated for “free” is preferable to a nation of ignoramuses, to use your term.
I think company/corporate scholars are far more better than the self-proclaimed iskolar ng bayan..mali. dapat parasite ng bayan. I agree na dapat i-abolish na yung subsidy for state univs, these institution has become the breeding ground of socialists & activists.
Education is NOT an economic good or commodity. It is the means of attaining education that we pay for, not education itself. It is the SERVICES OF THE TEACHERS and the FACILITIES for which we are obliged to pay. We can get educated without going to school. It is our right to get educated – nobody may stop us from learning. However, it is NOT our right to go to a school that we like or learn through pedagogical methods that we prefer.
Utilize the idle properties of the UP and “commercialize” them. Ask for grants from institutions and the affluent alumni of the UP and there are thousands of them. These, I suppose, fall within the “right to action” cited by the blogger. 😉 Mas mabuti ito kesa mag-rally nang mag-rally wala namang mangyayari.
The activists can rant and rave in the streets and wreck havoc on the general public or they can urge and help the UP Administration make practical as well as innovative methods in ensuring that their right to quality education is not compromised. Having sources of income aside from tuition and government subsidy would make UP less susceptible to the harmful effects of the ill moods of the crocodiles in congress.
Come to think of it, let’s stop subsidizing Congress itself. Mas wala namang silbi ang mga mokong na yan. Si Manny Pacquiao na lang ang itira natin dun.
Teka, baka alipustahin tayo at tawaging bobo, tanga, idiot, mangmang! LOL… This is a terrible digression na. Hahaha..
Its all about expressing the ideal current state of affairs according to the blogger. example:
–“right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality–
accordingly, the point here is, the right to education, by all technicalities remains a myth and therefore, IDEALLY, must not be included in the constitution or etc what the implications are..
With this, UP and other SUCs, consequently have to say goodbye. all in-line with Froinver’s premises, which are systematic and reasonable, to be fair with.
What i didnt understand about some comments here, especially from UP people, they continuously attack the author. Some say he hasn’t read the constitution where in fact, it really doesn’t matter anymore because in the ideal world (Frinver’s), education is really just a privilege and this already existed as an a priori condition.
This blog entry appears to be just a mere statement of what is ought to be there, done and seen (because of this, and that etc) and what you get are maggots who usually fail to analyse what there is to argue about (if any).
if you want to argue with froinver, argue on the same level, same premises, and LOL same topic.
and dont attack the strawman!
EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, Froi.
You can cite Rand, Kant and all the philosophers that you admire but the REALITY that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT will always trounce the PHILOSOPHY that it is not or should not be. It is enshrined in our Constitution. It is also expressly stipulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Article 26). I see that your syllogism is based merely on the realm of the “conceptual” and not on the “real” because the concept that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT became part of the Law of the Land – and therefore objective reality – when the people, through a referendum, approved the 1987 Constitution.
Were those people who overwhelmingly voted for the enactment of the Constitution the “idiots, dumb, ignoramuses, socialist parasites, threats to society” that you regard them to be? Were those who wrote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “misguided” in some way? I doubt so. The framers of these documents were not the “statists” that you deride or “socialists” that you condemn. Most are still alive and I see that they are – to use a favourite phrase – unabashed capitalists.
What they did recognize is that the “individual” is better served by the “collective” when the latter is educated; that indeed, the RIGHT TO EDUCATION “is a condition of existence required by man’s nature for his PROPER survival.” Imagine a society where education is NOT a right, Froi. Imagine a society where the price of education will rely primarily on market forces or the law of supply and demand. Imagine taking away the government educational subsidy for the millions of pupils and students in the Philippines whose parents can barely FEED them. I know whereof I speak Froi, because I am a public school teacher’s son.
The consequence will be a nation of ignorant, uninformed, uncritical citizens, WHICH will ultimately be more burdensome for the “taxpayers” you don’t want to be “sacrificed.” In the end, we will be a country of an educated few, tending to an uneducated multitude. We are impoverished as a country not because of the Right to Education but in spite of it. The gargantuan public debt was incurred not because of the educational subsidy but because of the CORRUPTION in government, which would be lessened if the masses were better educated, more informed and critically vigilant.
By the way, the Jewish philosopher Ayn Rand was educated in Petrograd STATE University, a state university in Russia that’s arguably one of the best in the world. Her discourses about “individualism & objectivism” as against “collectivism” were a consequence of her utter despise for “Bolshevik Communism”. You must also cite the SITUATIONAL CONTEXT upon which Rand’s philosophy is based, to clarify everything.
You espouse the “abolition of the UP.” The UP will be here long after you turn to fertilizer but I do admire the way you were able to invite “reactions” to your (pretending-to-be-intellectual) treatise the way dung is able to attract flies. A social menace, that’s how you practically branded us UP students and alumni. Well, the UP, just like any other educational institution has produced heroes and heels, angels and scoundrels. Since you claimed that you “never intended” to become an Isko like us, let me say this, you missed a lot.
How can a brainless educated idiot know the proper concept of rights? What is that right to education you, idiots, talk about? That education, according to your stupid arguments, must be provided by the government to those who need it at the expense of the taxpayers. You have the right to go to school so long as you are willing to pay for it, you parasites!
I have explained very extensively and explicitly my arguments against public education. Check on my related blogs if you care to educate yourself, parasite.
By the way, your comment simply shows your utter ignorance. You, parasites, claim that UP produces the best and the brightest in this country? Well, someone should tell you that UP is one of the worst parasites in the government sector. It cannot exist without depending on the taxpayers. It cannot exist without being a parasite. How many billions of taxpayers’ money go to UP? More than 40 percent of the budget for SUCs go to this parasitical state university to educate future leftists and statists.
I say give those billions to private universities and they will produce brighter and more productive graduates. Yes! Abolish or privatize UP!
Again, better educate yourself, if you think that words like “rights” don’t have objective, proper meaning.
We have our own opinions. I’ll just respect yours, dear blogger. But i want to say some things.
i think pinakita mo na your not worth our respects. you think your so high and mighty? hindi mo ba naisip na baka ung mga tinatapakan mo pang tao ang mas makakaangat sa’yo? Don’t you know that our Father said na ibababa niya lahat ng nagpapakataas?
if you are really from a catholic or in your so called “good” school, why do you have to badmouth and insult those who want to share their beliefs like you do? (hindi naman siguro tinituro sa university nyo yan, diba?) why do you have to delete their spoken sides? is it because you felt that their words are stronger than yours?
“You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?”
then why you are dropping yours? are you not educated?
i’m not a UP student and i’m not from a catholic school. i’m just a by passer that wants to hear her own opinion.
i just thought that some repliers write such comments because the first poster did the same. don’t you think?
if we can, can we just behave ourselves and debate properly?
Nakakapagod basahin mga comments. hahaha.
Anyway, I think you(the author of the post) have properly defined your use of the word right. However, you are trying to apply it on the wrong context or in the wrong setting. First of all, education is a right, as many have already cited, as it is written on the constitution. You try to argue that as a right, education punishes those who pay taxes as it is an excuse for the government to steal from you productive people. And on this notion, it somehow contradicts the definition of the word right. Again, you are using it on the wrong context.
The Philippines is considered a developing country. A large percentage of the country’s population is poor or below the middle class. Many of the filipinos are jobless. Now, I think, the purpose of education being a right is for most if not all filipinos be educated. Education is what the government can primarily offer its citizens to help them be more productive, to progress in their economic status, and/or to alleviate them from poverty. That’s why, through the constitution, the government makes it mandatory to itself to provide an accessible education to those who want to study but cannot afford to. To do so, the government needs funds, which it gets fro the taxes people pay. At this point, there’s something I don’t quite get. Are you against the government taking taxes from you? Are you against other people using the tax you pay, those whom you call parasites? Or are you against the notion that people can be more successful at the expense of others? Maybe it’s true, if we remove education from the government’s budget, the government won’t need to ask for higher taxes. Then again, if the government won’t provide free/affordable/accessible/quality education to its people, then in the near future, we’d end up with simpletons or uneducated people which mostly will be those who, in their youth, weren’t allowed to study because their parents can’t afford to. And I think that would be a large part of the population considering the number of children in poor families. And this, I think is what your posts lack. They lack in foresight. And they are mostly biased on one side of the picture. Take for example you hitting on the U.P. students who you say ask for your hard earned money to pay for a part of their tuition fees. Why not hit on the politicians who ask for your money and tell you they’d use it to repair the roads but instead use it for his own luxury? At least the former would use it as they need it. And also, I think your posts are riddled with fallacies. Well it’s true, you are able to cite references on some of your points. But for the most part, it’s all but fallacies. Hasty generalization, poisoning the well, etc. etc. Firstly, not all U.P. students/teachers/professors are leftist. Not all are reds. Not all are communists. Not all agree to what people ask from the government. In fact, some even agree to privatization. Also, asking for more state support is not tantamount to stealing more from tax payers. It’s simply asking the government to allocate more on education rather than on stuff like the military, etc. Finally, you judge people too much like you were superior. Your posts could have been good if you drop the name calling and just stick to plain objectivity. I’d say, your writing is remarkable but your content is of high school level. Mapusok pero makitid.
It seems that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You said: “You try to argue that as a right, education punishes those who pay taxes as it is an excuse for the government to steal from you productive people. And on this notion, it somehow contradicts the definition of the word right. Again, you are using it on the wrong context.”
You have the right to go to the jungle and be eaten by cannibals. And those cannibals also have the right to eat you.
The definition of a “right” is very clear, comrade. A right means freedom of action in a social context. It simply means you are free to act provided that you refrain from violating the rights of others. Under the Constitution, it is stated there the fundamental categories of rights- the right to Life, Liberty, Property, and pursuit of happiness. The right to life doesn’t mean the government or your employer must provide the FOOD or shelter you need. It simply means you own your life and you are free to do everything you want in order to sustain it. You can go to school and take the course that you want so that in the end, you’d be employable. The right to property doesn’t mean the government or your landlord must provide a house or a piece of land to you. It means you have a right to the fruits of your labor or work, or to the fruits of your property. You have the right to keep them.
When you say you have a “right” to education, transportation, housing, food, etc. you’re simply indicating that the state must provide these things to you. Of course, taxes are the indispensable, inevitable consequences of these rights because the government has no money; it is not a productive entity. The government only relies on the productive forces of the society for revenues. This is the reason why a think tank called PIDS recommended tax-financing for the delivery of all welfare services (e.g., those alleged rights to education, health care, housing, etc.).
Sir, “No man is an island”, John Donne once said. Individualism would only work ONLY IF he forgets he is a social being. TULDOK LANG TAYO LAHAT.
Remember that, tuldok lang.
@yeontura
That’s the “no man is an island” IDIOCY of all leftists… Yeah right! Put a period on your brain.
Basta ako, 9 years akong nag-aral sa UP. 6 thousand lang tuition ko every sem, mwahahaha! Walang kwentang reply.
hahaha! tama pre. pabayaan mo na lang yang mga yan. magpatayan sila sa mga comments nila. everyone has their own opinion. Di namn tayo `Diyos para malaman kung cnong tamana 🙂
Nairita naman ako dito. Inggitero ka lang kasi di ka UP! 😛
Despite being a UP student (it was only because I studied in PSHS in high school), I am hideously disgusted at all the activism in UP, especially in Diliman. THIS is what the taxpayers’ money is spent on? Rallies and walkouts and protests? To paraphrase Cardinal Sin, “sila ang problema”: the activists are the problem!
They protest subsidy cuts to UP, claiming that everyone has a right to free education and that said cuts will force UP to raise tuition etc., when in fact even the poorest of the poor in Africe would gladly send their children to private schools no matter the tuition. To say that “higher tuition makes education out of reach for the poor” is a non sequitur.
I am a UP student. As such I will not advocate its total abolition. But I will 100% advocate its privatization. Perhaps UP will need to purged of leftist profs (fire them and hire nonleftists). Then perhaps we will be on par with ADMU and DLSU. In my pursuit of science, I have no time for activism.
hi, while I never really sat well with taxation, my parents are obliged to pay taxes, and in the same way, I have an obligation to pay them back someday. I believe I have a right to demand back what is paid. If the taxation system is ever abolished and fair trade is finally implemented and functions properly, then everyone can just earn and pay for private education. However, as long as i pay taxes, I demand to get what was taken from me. Fairly and justly, if there is an excess, I have to pay it back of course.
&& hindi naman lahat ng taga-up malakas mag ad hominem. wag ka din mabilis masyado mag generalize braw.
🙂
“You complain about the country’s huge foreign debt and high tax rates yet you continue to demand more from the government? Don’t you know that more public demands and subsidies means the government will have more power to take everything you value in life? More demands means more state power. Most students of public schools believe that education is a right.”
Sad but true UP palamunins. Sad but true.
This blogger must have snorted a lot of bath salts lately. These “minuscule” elements of State U is a dying breed, going the way of dinosaurs, betamax and the dodo bird. They are slowly being pushed into irrelevancy. Kaya wag masyadong hot ha boy.. Hindi ka lang yata pumasa ng UPCAT eh totoy? bitter much?
ahh basta ako pasado ako UPCAT pati na PUPCET… pero sa third rated college lang ako nag aral. bakit? malapit sa bahay eh… at tsaka pala pare parehas lang kami ng sahod ng mga taga UP dito sa work ko…
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Another exception permits a school to disclose personally identifiable information from an eligible student’s education records, without consent, to another school in which the student seeks or intends to enroll. The sending school may make the disclosure if it has included in its annual notification of rights a statement that it forwards education records in such circumstances. Otherwise, the sending school must make a reasonable attempt to notify the student in advance of making the disclosure, unless the student has initiated the disclosure. The school must also provide an eligible student with a copy of the records that were released if requested by the student.