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To All UP Students: Education is NOT a Right!

July 24, 2010

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“The right to life, e.g., does not mean that your neighbors have to feed and clothe you; it means you have the right to earn your food and clothes yourself, if necessary by a hard struggle, and that no one can forcibly stop your struggle for these things or steal them from you if and when you have achieved them. In other words: you have the right to act, and to keep the results of your actions, the products you make, to keep them or to trade them with others, if you wish. But you have no right to the actions or products of others, except on terms to which they voluntarily agree.” Dr. Leonard Peikoff, from Health Care is Not a Right.

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First, let me open this blog by reminding protesting University of the Philippines students that the taxpayers are not your slaves! I am outraged by the worsening level of liberal indoctrination and Marxist idiotation of our so-called “iskolar ng bayan” (state scholars). With their so dangerous, so ignorant a belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the needs of Juan.

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The video link below shows a number of UP “red shirts” from Baguio campus who call on the new administration to increase government subsidy for state universities. Hundreds of UP students wearing red shirt march to the campus’ historic Oblation to air their opposition to the state university’s plan to impose tuition increase.

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A lone cop isn’t able to stop the students from expressing their collective outrage in front of the landmark statue, which is the symbol of service and heroism in the country. As a male student mounts a banner on the outstretched arms of the famed statue, the rest of the enraged students collectively shout “Edukasyon, edukasyon, karapatan ng mamamayan” (Education, education, a right of all citizens). The male student who puts up the banner then speaks into the megaphone. “Tayo ay tunay na iskolar ng bayan. Tayo ay maninindigan, magiging kritikal, mapangahas, at mapanuri sa sistema ng ating lipunan.” The banner attached to outstretched arms of The Oblation read: “FIGHT FOR HIGHER STATE SUBSIDY.”

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This student protest is indeed a symbolic one. It is their way of reaffirming the underlying message of The Oblation, which has “served as a symbol of the spirit of dedication of the University of the Philippines to the ideals of service to our people and of loyalty to the cause of human betterment.” The statue of service and heroism is the masterpiece of well-known Filipino sculptor Guillermo Tolentino, whose order was to concretize the second stanza of Jose Rizal’s “Last Farewell” into a solid work of art, which would embody the ideals and purpose of the state university. The second stanza of Rizal’s historic poem read:

“In fields of battle, deliriously fighting, Others give you their lives, without doubt, without regret; Where there’s cypress, laurel or lily, On a plank or open field, in combat or cruel martyrdom, If the home or country asks, it’s all the same–it matters not.”

The creator of the symbolic artwork described his masterpiece:

The completely nude figure of a young man with outstretched arms and open hands, with tilted head, closed eyes and parted lips murmuring a prayer, with breast forward in the act of offering himself, is my interpretation of that sublime stanza. It symbolizes all the unknown heroes who fell during the night. The statue stands on a rustic base, a stylized rugged shape of the Philippine archipelago, lined with big and small hard rocks, each of which represents an island. The “katakataka” (wonder plant) whose roots are tightly implanted on Philippine soil, is the link that binds the symbolized figure to the allegorical Philippine Group. “Katakataka” is really a wonder plant. It is called siempre vivo (always alive) in Spanish. A leaf or a piece of it thrown anywhere will sprout into a young plant. Hence, it symbolizes the deep-rooted patriotism in the heart of our heroes. Such patriotism continually and forever grows anywhere in the Philippines.

However, this is not my interpretation of The Oblation. The very first time I laid my eyes on that legendary statue, I saw a man of selfish heroism, whose only service and duty is only to himself, and who regards service to all as the most evil form of self immolation. I saw a man of purpose and of vision and not an object of social sacrifice. I saw an unbroken soul who knows his purpose— and that purpose is the commitment of his life to the highest form of virtue, which is man’s pursuit of happiness. I saw a man struggling against slavery and any form of social immolation. He does not want to be reduced to a mere slave. He wants to be free, to be left alone, and to go on living according to his will and rational ideals. No, the human soul that is being symbolized by that statue is not an object of social sacrifice. He’s an iconic symbol of individual heroism. With his outstretched arms and open hands he is all alone— and he embarks on the greatest battle a man of rational mind and of purpose could ever fight: the struggle of the individual against collectivism.

The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide their educational needs. Their fight for higher state subsidy only means two things: First, they want to be the beneficiaries of “service”, and Second, the productive members of our society must be condemned to serve the good of these social beneficiaries. Where do they think the government will get the money to serve their needs? The government has no magical power to turn a stone into gold, to turn a piece of wood into a loaf of bread. But it has the power to confiscate a portion of the hard-earned money of those who work and produce wealth, which is the power of taxation. It has the power to turn a truckload of worthless paper into tons and tons of paper money, which is the power of printing money out of thin air. It also has the power to mortgage our country and the future of its people to serve the immediate need of our society, which is the power of contracting foreign and domestic debt.

You complain about the country’s huge foreign debt and high tax rates yet you continue to demand more from the government? Don’t you know that more public demands and subsidies means the government will have more power to take everything you value in life? More demands means more state power. Most students of public schools believe that education is a right. They claim that the state must provide their educational needs, but where will the government get the money and the goods to perform this magical job? Who will be sacrificed in the name of free or subsidized education? To all protesting state university students, education is NOT a right! In one of my previous blogs entitled The Seeds of Evil: How Communism Infiltrates Public Universities, I stated the following:

Education is not a right. A ‘right’ means man’s freedom of action in a social context. It pertains only to human action, specifically, to man’s freedom of action. A person is not born with a right to a trip to tour the country’s tourist destinations. A person has no in-born, innate right to a dinner at Manila Hotel, or a free cosmetic surgery at Belo Medical Clinic or a college degree in Nursing or Medicine. Those who argue that every person in these parts has the right to a free education either do not understand the proper concept of right or have sinister political agenda. We cannot have such right to a better and free access to education because the concept of individual rights in a free society does not impose any obligation on other people. The only obligation or responsibility of every individual is to leave his neighbor alone, to not violate his rights, to not interfere with his private life. We don’t have a right to enslave the productive members of our society. Free access to education simply means socialized or highly subsidized education. It means that someone has to be immolated or sacrificed to others. While students in private schools, colleges, and universities pay the ‘agreed’ amount of school fees, student activists would like to be exempted from this obligation. I used the word ‘agreed’ since student consultation is required by the government through the CHED before any tertiary school is permitted to increase its tuition rate. If students activists demand exemption, the question is: who would pay for their “better and free education?” The taxpayers, of course.

Indeed, our state universities are becoming more and more a threat to our country and to the freedom and individual rights of its people.

Since a lot of UP students are ignorant of the proper concept of rights, I have to make a significant addendum to this blog. Knowing the proper concept of rights is very important, as it is the key to understanding whether Pedro has the right to ask the government to steal from Juan in order to serve his needs. Lack of proper understanding of the real concept of rights is bringing the whole country to dictatorship and socialism. We see liberals and leftist protesters asking for exclusive government protection, free or cheap medicines, free health care, free or subsidized food, free access to quality education, and free “everything.” What do you think will happen to a country of freeloaders and free-askers? Do these “little dictators” think that the government has a magical power to create wealth out of nothing? Where will the government get the wealth and goods to provide their needs? In reality, we are not yet considered a free society. A free society means an informed society.

A right is not fundamentally a legal term simply because it is not created and should not be created by a piece of legislation or executive order. A right is not a constitutional creature. It is merely recognized and affirmed by our constitution. But the problem is even our 1987 Constitution has a confused, invalid understanding of the concept of rights. This is the reason why our country is moving towards complete political and economic disaster and collectivism.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy provides the most accurate and most objective definition of rights:

Rights are entitlements (not) to perform certain actions or be in certain states, or entitlements that others (not) perform certain actions or be in certain states.

Rights dominate most modern understandings of what actions are proper and which institutions are just. Rights structure the forms of our governments, the contents of our laws, and the shape of morality as we perceive it. To accept a set of rights is to approve a distribution of freedom and authority, and so to endorse a certain view of what may, must, and must not be done. (Emphasis mine)

The following are the categories of rights:

A right to life, a right to choose; a right to vote, to work, to strike; a right to one phone call, to dissolve parliament, to operate a forklift, to asylum, to equal treatment before the law, to feel proud of what one has done; a right to exist, to sentence an offender to death, to launch a nuclear first strike, to carry a concealed weapon, to a distinct genetic identity; a right to believe one’s own eyes, to pronounce the couple husband and wife, to be left alone, to go to hell in one’s own way.

A “right” is a moral principle elucidating and warranting a man’s freedom of action in a social context. The categories of rights above show that rights are only limited to man’s rights to his LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY, and his PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. The concept of rights excludes and rejects man’s right of force and compulsion. UP and other state university students’ demand for a free and/or subsidized education is tantamount to a right of compulsion and force; that is, by granting the government the power to redistribute wealth and confiscate the wealth of those who work and produce in order to serve the interest and the needs of those who don’t. We have all the right to work and achieve our goals in life, but we don’t have the right to ask the government to provide us jobs by sacrificing private businesses and companies.

The legendary and most touted “right to free education” simply means the government must sacrifice a particular sector of our society in order to serve the welfare and the needs of a certain beneficiary sector. This is because the government has no depository of unlimited amount of goods and wealth. The government is not a productive agency, but an agency that relies on forced and not “voluntary” taxation, which is apparently an oxymoron. The student protesters’ demand for “free education” would only enshrine or establish institutionalized theft wherein the government plays the role of an ever benevolent Robin Hood by robbing the wealth of the productive members of our society in order to serve the weak, the not-have, or less privileged in life.

Let me reiterate that the concept of rights does not include the right of compulsion and coercion, directly or indirectly. The worst form of coercion or extortion is the one being performed by the government in order to perform what is called the “greater good” or the “common good.” This is what is happening in most socialist slave pens on earth- in Cuba, in North Korea, in China, in Veneuzela and other dictatorships where the governments provide free health care, rationed or subsidized food, free education, etc.

Again, the “right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality. The framers of our Constitution dismissed the fact that the government is not supposed to be a “Robin Hood” agency, but an agency which has the sole duty to protect our individual rights and to safeguard this country against invasion or against internal threat. The framers of our Charter forgot the fact that before there can be something to “redistribute”, there has to be a definite source of wealth. They simply did not understand the relation between production and distribution. The constitutional right to”quality education at all levels” and “accessible education” is a puerile fantasy that is never grounded in reality. Such a right is an invalid concept and a floating abstraction.

The question really is not whether our students have the “right to quality education at all levels”, but whether there is such a fantastical “right.” I am primarily against this notion- that the state, according to our semi-socialist Constitution, has the eternal duty to “protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels” and “to make such education accessible to all”- simply because it is against economic and political realities and because it will only lead to our own collective destruction. In fact, it would be a great idea if the government really had the power to create wealth out of nothing. But this is not the reality. Reality tells us that the government is the most dependent entity on earth. It depends on our physical and mental ability to work and produce wealth. Thus, the concept of “free access to quality education” is a highly onerous mortgage on a not yet existing wealth, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to deliver it.

Ayn Rand, a Russian-born American philosopher, once wrote:

A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action—which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life. (Such is the meaning of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.)

The concept of a “right” pertains only to action—specifically, to freedom of action. It means freedom from physical compulsion, coercion or interference by other men.

Thus, for every individual, a right is the moral sanction of a positive—of his freedom to act on his own judgment, for his own goals, by his own voluntary, uncoerced choice. As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.

The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.

Bear in mind that the right to property is a right to action, like all the others: it is not the right to an object, but to the action and the consequences of producing or earning that object. It is not a guarantee that a man will earn any property, but only a guarantee that he will own it if he earns it. It is the right to gain, to keep, to use and to dispose of material values.

She further wrote:

The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life.

Yes, by asking the government to serve and provide your educational needs, you are inadvertently contributing to the complete destruction of this semi-socialist nation. Like what Socrates said: ”

“No trace of slavery ought to mingle with the studies of a freeborn man. No study pursued under compulsion remains rooted in the memory.”

  • VIDEO: “Right to welfare”… I know this is what most people here want.

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Related blog articles on the concept of right:

The “Right to Education” is an Invalid Concept

What About the Poor Who Can’t Pay for their Education?

Pres. Aquino and His Society of Lemmings

The Seeds of Evil: How Communism Infiltrates Public Universities

Are Rights Absolute?

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  1. BAKITAKO! permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    Education is deemed as a basic need. Saan mo ikinukumpara ang right to education? sa right to have a trip to tour the country’s tourist destinations? sa right to a dinner at Manila Hotel? o sa free cosmetic surgery at Belo Medical Clinic? ano ba naman. wala na bang mas logical kesa diyan? HINDI LUXURY O COMMODITY AND EDUCATION! don’t you ever compare it sa mga bagay na sinasabi mo!

    • Anti-public indoctrination permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      To all the leftists here, do you ever ask yourselves maybe your beliefs are wrong? That expanding government bureaucracy just MAY BE THE PROBLEM instead of the solution to social problems? Students of UP don’t realize it because they get quality education, but that quality comes DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF UP education being government-run. If you look at the other 90% of public schools they are all a mess! There must be a reason why government run systems are so wasteful and corrupt. And the reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.

      Hey, if government can provide good and quality education, then why don’t we just double the budget, triple the budget? Just to give you some perspective, the budget for education takes up a considerably large portion of the total budget and is the fastest growing, it has grown by 80 billion in the past five years. Now it is about 180 billion pesos. What has been the effect? Same as always. Boring textbooks riddled with errors and catering to the least common denominator, the dullest. No improvement whatsoever, just creating more future criminals and socialists.

      Why don’t people look at the facts! It’s in the Dept. of Budget and Management website! Instead of clamoring for more government spending on everything, you should work to cut government spending on everything. The true fight against corruption is the fight against taxation and government spending. It is impossible to be corrupt if you have nothing to be corrupt with.

      Face it! If government can solve social problems with more money at its disposal, then we would have created heaven on earth a looooong time ago.

      And may I remind you that governments have killed 200 million people in the 20th century alone, the century of DEMOCRATIC government. I also would like to remind you that those 200 million were killed at the ALTAR OF THE COMMON GOOD. There is something called the TYRANNY OF GOOD INTENTIONS, read up on it!

      http://mises.org/daily/2739

      • akolangnaman permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        Wala ka siguro sa UP kaya mo sinasabi ‘yan. Hay..

      • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        The comments on this blog post have proven that the most dangerous threat to this country is the dominance of leftist professors in the state universities, and I would even argue that they are successfully radicalizing political science students in top private universities today. Leftist politics and hysterical pseudo-moralizing are the cancer.

        If UP’s main contribution to the Philippines is socialism then we should outright abolish it. No matter how good engineering graduates in UP are, the good is overwhelmingly surpassed by the damage that socialist ideas create. Smart engineers are worth squat if their services are not geared towards the needs of people, and the only way to know the needs of people is through the price mechanism, not some value-judgment by mentally senile politicians/parasites.

        If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education.

      • xtian17 permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education is not the fastest growing budget and definitely NOT the HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin… in fact, there is a budget cut on education and education is just third among the high budgets: (1)debt servicing, (2)MILITARIZATION, (3) education..

        the blogger is implying that we do not base our arguments on facts… baka siya lang..lolz..to him, i say PLEASE DO RESEARCH on the 2010 National Budget

        the blogger DOES NOT speak in behalf of the almost 75% of mid & low class Filipinos who strive harder to earn for a living and to pay taxes… what’s the main purpose of taxes? that is to have funding for BASIC SOCIAL SERVICES and then the blogger accuses the Filipinos of making taxpayers as their slaves

        Lastly, in Thomas F. Woodlock’s article on the Definition of Democracy, he says that a CONSTITUTION does NOT grant the personal rights that it PROTECTS but RECOGNIZES them as INHERENT in the natural dignity of a persons… Thus, IF THE BLOGGER would just ANALYZE as we ANALYZE, provided that our 1987 Constitution, ARTICLE 14, SEC. 1, mandates the State to provide ACCESSIBLE and QUALITY EDUCATION, this means that the Constitution RECOGNIZES EDUCATION as an INHERENT RIGHT of the people.

        With this, I challenge the blogger to be SCIENTIFIC.

      • xtian17 permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        ERRATUM:

        the first sentence:
        the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education is not the fastest growing budget and definitely NOT the HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin…

        should be:
        the blogger is TOTALLY wrong in saying that budget in education isthe fastest growing budget and definitelythe HIGHEST during the Arroyo Admin… actually, IT IS NOT…

      • Anti-public indoctrination permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        fyi, I’m not the blogger

        http://www.dbm.gov.ph/GAA2010/DEPED/DEPED.pdf

        There’s the link to DepEd new appropriations

        For my main point, what do you suggest? We throw in another 100 billion pesos to spend on education? Do you even have any idea how large that is? It is so easy for you because its not your money. What’s your solution? Triple the taxes on the rich? Oh cause that’s really worked throughout history. How ’bout borrow more money from foreigners like Gloria did? Or printing more fiat money?

        Stealing doesn’t become suddenly good just because your distributing it to the poor. In fact, it will hurt the poor more than it will hurt the rich. It’s called the Law of Unintended Consequences.

        http://mises.org/daily/2073

      • iska983929 permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        the reason why UP excels despite of it being run by the government as you said, is because of the teachers who sacrifice not getting high salaries for the students!! Lahat ba ng binibigay na budget napupunta sa UP at sa ibang mga public schools? Hindi naman! at bumababa pa every year. Alamin sana muna kasi yung nangyayari bago magcomment diba.😉

      • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        @iska983929

        There would still be no improvement even if corruption ceased starting tomorrow.

        There is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not the character of government officials, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.

      • Isko permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        @Abolish the University of the Philippines

        It sucks di ba na hindi niya alam iyung Problem of Economic Calculation Pero let him figure it out at patunayan niyang hindi siya BOBO na gumagala sa UP. Tutal, alam dapat niyang hindi uso sa UP ang spoon-feeding.

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        “If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education.”

        If you’d abolish UP and other STATE Us then where do you expect the students coming from CLASSES D, and E to enroll? Private schools? You wish!

        Now, I can see why the Philippines doesn’t have that much progress. It’s because of people like you wanting success only in their circle. Selfish I must say. The rich becoming richer an the poor becoming poorer. Is this what you want? If yes, then you are really selfish.

      • jamil permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        for your info……. 3rd priority lng ang education budget…… and it only takes a small part of the yearly budget…… 1st na priority is the pambayad ng utang ng pilipinas…… sinasabi lng namin kht dagdagan lng ang budget ng education na kuin mula sa ganung kalaking binabayad sa utang ng bansa…..

      • blogbug permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        government subsidizes UP as an investment. they invest onto whom they think would most likely be productive for this country. people whom they think are worth investing for. why UP? for more than a hundred years of excellence… WHY NOT UP?

        so sad that you didn’t have a chance to experience how education in UP is like though it is not surprising why you didn’t make it.

        that’s life dude. learn to accept it.😀
        enough of sour graping. move on.

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        @ Blogbug. That’s the most disgusting excuse I’ve ever heard. Investing in education is the worst thing a government could do. This issue has a lot of ramifications that cannot be explained fully in this blog section. The government has been investing in education ever since. Look at the result. Most of the progress we have in RP came from the intellectual capital of other countries, United States in particular. And the producers of wealth in the US came from private education. Most of the innovation and technology we have here are IMPORTED, which are mostly a product of Western private education.

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        Kung tama ako eh ang issue dito eh State Subsidy sa edukasyon? Hindi lang talaga State subsidy sa UP? so ibig sabihin nito eh pinaglalaban nila ang state subsidy sa edukasyon sa lahat ng antas. Elementary, highschool at college?

        Papa, ganito lang kasi yan eh. . . ang mga sinasabi mong karapatan eh nakasulat na talaga sa constitution. ibig sabihn eh meron na talagang obligation ang gobyerno natin na ibigay ang mga ito. ang hinihingi lang siguro ng mga taong ito na lumalaban eh bigyan nila ng pansin.

        Sinabe mo na nga na hindi lahat ng Unibersidad at Kolehiyo ng Pilipinas ay katulad ng UP. Sino ba ang me kasalanan dun kundi ang Gobyerno din lang? State ngarud. Ang obligation ng gobyerno sa edukasyon ay di lang pinansyal. Obligation din nila na panatilihin na mataas ang ang lebel ng edukasyon sa mga ito.

        Marami nga sa UP ang leftist pero ginagawa lang nila eh aang pinaglalaban nila eh ang sambayanan. Ang mga taong katulad nila pero hindi kasing pinagpalad. Ipinag lalaban lang naman nila ang mga taong kasama naman kasi talaga nila. Siguro ganun ka din at ipinaglalaban mo ang grupong kasama ka. Wag ka mag alala at malamang eh mas naiintindihan ka nila kesa sa pagiintindi mo sa kanila.

        Eto nalang kasi un. karamihan ng mga ipinaglalaban nila eh walang kakayahan para ipaglaban ang sarili nila. Ni makaen nga eh hirap sila. Pababayaan nalang ba dapat sila ng gobyerno. grabe ka naman. Kayang kaya na ng mga ELITISTA ang mabuhay ng maayos. Eh sila?

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        @MIKE: paanu din ba nila naabot ung ganung klaseng estado? nagaral din kaya kc sila malamang un lang nga sa private institutions. pero ung point dun nag aral muna sila. naimprove nila ung human resources/ human capital through education at umabot sila sa extent na naabot nila ung mga bagay na un. hindi lang naman panay mga amerikano ang gumawa nun eh. . .

        Alam mo ba un Brain Drain? un ang ginagawa ni Papa Uncle Sam eh. kinukuha nila ung mga “magagaling” na tao, san man sila sa mundo (ibig sabihin di lahat sila kano ha?) iba’t ibang nationality ang nagproduce ng kanilang progress. madalas lahat ng mga un eh NAKAPAGARAL/ PINAGARALAN muna ung field nila. (ibig sabihin din nito eh dinevelop nila muna ung human capital nila.

        Kahit san ka naman kasi nanggaling na institution, Private man o Public, kung magaling ka at productive ka madalas eh magproproduce ka ng positive effects.

        ito pa kasi. narerecognize ung mga ginagawa nila, binibigyan ng venue para i-apply di tulad dito sa pilipinas. basta nakapag aral na sila eh aus na. pabayaan na pagkatapos. kahit mga inventions na sana eh magpapayaman satin eh binibigay nalang sa iba dahil walang supporta.

        parang ang ibig mo kasi sabihin eh patuloy nalang tau magpakamangmang at hintayin nalang natin ung mga biyaya galing sa kanila? husay

    • sheishe permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      well, you too don’t understand what a right is… you can consult many references as you want not just stanford dictionary of philosophy.. it makes you less intellectual in your conclusions about the view of the students about education… well, if they should pay their own fees then they shouldn’t be called iskolar ng bayan… what’s the big deal if the government increase education budget? well, baka hindi mo pa naririnig yung tungkol sa unprogrammed fund, eh di i-program nila yun para may paglaanan at hindi bulsa…

      well, we fight for what we believe in and a person who thinks like you can change that!

      MABUHAY MGA ISKOLAR NG BAYAN!!!!

      EDUKASYON, KARAPATAN NG MAMAMAYAN!!!

      IBALIK SA BAYAN ANG UP!!!

  2. Napadaan Lang sa Blog Mo permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    You better read the constitution first. (A copy of the part concerning education can be read here: http://www.chanrobles.com/article14.htm) Its very first section deems all your arguments as invalid.

    • July 31, 2010 3:38

      notably, the second section of article 14 says that the government is only required to provide free education in elementary and high school levels

      • Huh permalink
        August 1, 2010 3:38

        Sino ba nagsabing “free education” ang hinihingi namin?

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        kahit nga un di nila magawa (ng mabuti) eh. . .

    • harr? permalink
      December 8, 2012 3:38

      haha. Our constitution is INVALID especially that stupid article 12(protectionist) and 13(welfare). You have to dig deeper and see the other side of the coin.

  3. anon permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    ignorance is bliss.
    and stupidity too.

    • PAEXTRA permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      HEAR HEAR!🙂

  4. agent xpolpol permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    The Constitution (Section 2, Article 14) states that the state shall “Establish and maintain, a system of free public education in the elementary and high school levels.” However, Section 1 of Article 14 states that, “The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels, and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.” In my interpretation the Constitution does not grant free tertiary education however, the state is compelled by the Constitution to make tertiary education “accessible to all.” How the state is going to make it accessible to all is a different question. Greater state subsidy for SUCs (State Universities and Colleges) is one way of making it accessible.

    Attacking the reds who are hijacking legitimate cause will is not a good strategy. A more appropriate way of attacking them is by depriving them the reason to protest. I view the reds or the communists as a necessary evil. Their mere presence indicates how the government has failed to do its responsibilities to the people.

    • xtian17 permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      while i agree with you arguments, i disagree your generalization that REDS are COMMUNISTS.. not all reds are communists, some are just activists lobbying the rights of the oppressed..:D

    • nakikiraan.lang permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      wala lng..gusto ko lng i-comment: at kailan pa naging evil ang mga aktibista?..kung ang pakikibaka para sa tunay na interes ng mga mamamayan at pakikibaka para sa tunay na kasarinlan ng ating bansa ay masama, ano na lamang ba ngayon ang “good?”

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        uu nga naman kasi. . . ang mga aktibista eh hindi naman talaga lang mga communista. . . dame kaya. . . kahit nga mga taong nasa upper echelons ng lipunan (kahit anu pa pinaglalabanan at pinaniniwalaan) ay minsan nagiging aktibista din eh

        uu nga din naman. . . kelan pa naging masama ang maging aktibista at ipaglaban ang karapatan mo at mga katulad mong taong naghihirap. hinihingi lang naman ng mga aktibista ang katuparan ng pangako ng gobyerno ah.

  5. Whut permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    I agree with BAKIT AKO! when s/he stated that you could not compare Education to Luxury/Commodity. Your analogy/analysis may make sense, but with all due respect, you commit a common mistake of anyone who does not think critically, and that is to compare two things that do not fall into the same domain.

    And as to your belief that Education is not a Right. Perhaps you should read the Philippine Constitution. You might realize that you are the ignorant one as to assume such thing. If you argue that taxpayers are not slaves, then your claim defeats its purpose. Every tax payer is a slave. A slave of Capitalism and its downside.

    To point out the UP students do not ask the taxpayers more than what they can offer, you must know that the government is the one responsible for PROPER distribution and allocation of resources (aka budget) to each and every sector. But this the government had failed to do so. The government, as you know (that is IF you know), allocated more money to the Military sector than to Education sector. This is one of the reasons as to why UP students rally for their RIGHT. They are not stating that taxpayer should pay higher taxes. And if I may state, the UP students are NOT asking the GOVERNMENT to STEAL from PEDRO to serve the need of JUAN. You just committed a grave mistake by making a hasty generalization.

    If you have read Jose Rizal’s “Indolence of the Filipino”, perhaps you should know Jose Rizal penned that “Education is the key to Liberty and Freedom.” If then Education is not a Right, how would you free “UP Students” from “ignorance” and “Marxist Idiotation”?

  6. estudyante permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    ang dami mong alam…..

    pero ang alam mo eh mali.

    ‘tol, try mong magbasa ng philippine constitution. if the constitution declares something as a right, kahit ano pang sabihin mo na a right is man’s freedom of action in a social context, right pa din yun. pare! don’t play with rhetoric. alam naman natin na maraming ibig sabihin ang isang salita. at isa pa. when you make analogies, make it proper. di namang commodity ang edukasyon eh. ang edukasyon naman eh di tulad ng bakasyon sa mga destinasyon na pangleisure lang, dinner sa manila hotel na pampabusog lang, o cosmetic surgery na kaartehan lang. ANG EDUKASYON AY PARA MAPALAYA ANG ISANG TAO SA KAMANGMANGAN AT TURUAN SIYANG MAGING PRODUKTIBO!

    tingin mo, paano magkakaroon ng produktibong mamamayan na magbabayad ng tax kung hindi sila nakapagaral? asan isip tol? at kung ang mga estudyante ng mga state universities ay kalaban ng bansa, isang example lang pare, 30 sa 31 national scientists ay galing sa UP (ung 1 doon eh student sa college of engineering sa up bago nagkaroon ng scholarship sa MIT)

    pare, gusto mo bigyan kita ng suklay? kulut-kulot kasi ang pangintindi ng utak mo eh.

  7. estudyante permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    nakalimutan ko pare. kahit sa up ako grumaduate, TAX PAYERS ANG MGA MAGULANG KO!!!!

    baka tampalin kita ng pera eh!

    • nyaha. permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      haha sama mo na tsinelas kong pantampal ha. nung binili ko un balita ko may tax pa din akong binabayaran e.

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      Lahat ng mga estudyante sa UP nagbabayad ng tax. Pamilya nila at mga magulang nila. Alam mo yung VAT? Meron kasi nun. Bawat binibili mo, meron nun. Tax tawag dun, okay? Kaya ang mga nag-aaral sa UP, nagcocontribute din sa tax. So wag naman i-imply na parang libreng nakakapag-aral ang mga UP students. Para kang nanunumbat e. Talagang sasabihan ka ng mga nag-cocomment dito na isasampal nila yung pera nila sa’yo.

      And for your information, ang UP students ngayon, nagbabayad na as much as 20,000 pesos PER SEMESTER. Alam mo bang ganun din ang tuition sa mga hindi universities na hindi State U? Halos kapareho lang ng Adamson at UE. Private universities ang Adamson at UE. Hindi naman pangit ang unibersidad nila at ang paraan ng pagtuturo. Isa nga sila sa pinakamahuhusay dito sa Metro Manila. Pero bakit halos pareho lang ang tuition? State university ang UP diba? National university pa nga e. Subsidized by the government nga diba? Pero kasing mahal pa rin ng private universities.

      Wag ka rin mag-generalize. Halatang wala kang alam e. Maraming students ang UP system. Iilan lang yang nakikita mo sa video. Mas maraming nagwawalang kibo na nga lang e. Hindi lahat ng UP students, mga activists. Hindi lahat ng activists, ay Marxists. Magkaiba yun, okay? Ang pinaglalaban at sinusubukang protektahan ng mga aktibistang yan sa video na hinuhusgahan mo ay ang pera mismo ng taong bayan. Hindi naman kasi lahat ng dapat napupunta sa unibersidad ay napupunta sa unibersidad. Gets mo ba? Kung nag-aaaral ka kasi sa UP, baka alam mo na halos hindi naman tumaas ang sweldo ng mga propesor kahit tumaas ang tuition ng 300%. Baka alam mo rin siguro na mas nauuna pa ang pagpapaganda sa mga park ng campus kaysa sa pagpapalit ng mga sirang upuan sa classrooms.

      Wag mo kaming husgahan kasi wala kang alam. Feeling mo lang ang dami mong alam. At hindi mo rin kami malamang maiintindihan. Hindi kasi ikaw ang nakakaranas ng hirap. Hindi ikaw ang nakakatikim ng magulo at bulok na sistema. Obviously, hindi ka kasi UP student.

      Ini-imply mo na makasarili kami? Pwedeng pakibasa muna yung sinulat mo ngayon? Kasi parang ang bottomline ng blog entry mo: “Kung wala ka talagang mahanap na pera, wala kang karapatan mag-aral. Malas mo.” Parang tinanggalan mo na rin ang mga mahihirap ng pangarap na tumulong na maiahon ang bansa natin. Sino ngayon sa atin ang selfish?

      Nakakalungkot naman kung lahat ng mga Pilipino katulad mo mag-isip.😦

      • 0_O permalink
        July 31, 2010 3:38

        Pero sino ang mostly na nag-sususbsidize sa inyo? The rich ones. The corporations. Mind you. Some UP students’ parents are minimum wage earners who are exempted from income tax. Isa pa, ang taxation ng Pinas is progressive. It means hindi flat ang rate. Pag mas mataas ang kinikita mo, mas mataas ang rate mo. It implies that the hardworkers are working for the the citizens who are less productive, with lesser earnings. Why don’t we make the income taxes flat rate? Say 15%. Corporate tax at 15%. Kung si Juan kumikita ng Php 120,000 taon-taon, Php 18,000 ang contribution nya. Kung si Pedro kumikita ng Php 500,000 taon-taon, magbabayad sya ng Php 75,000.

        Ang laki na ng binabayaran ni Pedro para sa mga scholar sa UP, gusto pa ng mga scholar na to na dagdagan ang budget? Paano to? Babawasan ang nakalaang budget mula sa ibang departamento? Taasan ang buwis (oops! ayaw nga pala nila sa buwis (para sa mahihirap)), o taasan pa ang buwis ni Pedro, taasan ang corporate taxes, realty taxes, at mga taxes mula sa mga binibili ng mga Pedro ng Pilipinas.

        Regarding naman sa sinasabi mong 20,000 per semester, wala lang yan sa sinusubsidize sa inyo ng mga Pedro. Kung walang subsidy, maaaring umabot na ng Php 100,000 per semester ang ginagastos nyo.

      • August 5, 2010 3:38

        Eh bakit hindi na lang ang taxation ang i-abolish?

        Oo, babawasan ang nakalaang budget para sa ibang departamento. Alokasyon ang tawag doon. Hindi naman hinihingi ng mga estudyanteng raliyista na ‘yan na taasan ang buwis.

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        tsk. . . tol magbasa ka. . . mas malalaki ang income ng pilipinas hindi dahil sa mga corporation. mas malalaki parin ang kita nila sa mga taumbayan. Ni halos hindi nga nagbabayad ng buwis ang mga yan eh.

        Alam mo ba kung bakit? mas maraming leeway ang mga corporation para di magbayad. Marami silang tax exemptions at incentives para di sila mag bayad.

        isa pa. . . ilan lang naman ang mga ganyang kalalaking corporasyon ah. . . hindi naman lahat ng business eh kasing luxurious ng sinasabe mo.

        Eto pa ang malupet. marami nga sa mga magulang ng mga nagaaral sa UP eh eh di nagbabayad ng tax di ba? sinabe mo ding progressive ang system ng tax natin. malamang kaya sila na exempt eh dahil nadetermine ng gobyerno na wala talaga silang kakayahan mag bayad ng tax nila kasi ganon nalang kaliit ang sweldo nila. Nakita kasi nila na di sapat ang income nila kahit para sa sarili at pamilya nila.

        dude. dude. dude. . . tsk tsk tsk. parang di mo iniintindi ung mga evidences naibinibigay mo ah

      • NAKAKATAWAKADAHILNAGMAMAGALINGKANGKSPKA permalink
        August 9, 2010 3:38

        @ o_O:

        Bago maging “rich ones”, nag-aral muna sa UP.

        Aminin mo, 10 years ago, UP is part of the top 10 Universities. Lahat ng mga nasa itaas ngayon, dumaan ng UPCAT. But it’s sad ‘coz you would have never understood that, because you never passed the UPCAT😦

        “Alam mo ba kung bakit? mas maraming leeway ang mga corporation para di magbayad. Marami silang tax exemptions at incentives para di sila mag bayad.” – TAMA ITO. GALING NA AKO SA KORPORASYON, AT KAIBIGAN KO MISMO ANG NAKIKIPAG-USAP SA BIR PARA HINDI KAMI MAGBAYAD NG TAMANG BUWIS. KUNG INAAKALA MONG MASYADONG “NOBLE” ANG GAWAIN NG MGA KORPORASYONG NAGBABAWAS NG BUWIS, YOU HAVE YET TO KNOW THE “REAL WORLD” IKA NGA, ANG MUNDO NG PAGTA-TRABAHO SA KORPORASYON. ESTUDYANTE KA NO? ESTUDYANTENG NAGMAMAGALING? SANA HINDI MO KAININ MGA SALITA MO KAPAG NARANASAN MO NA ANG MAGTRABAHO SA KORPORASYON.

    • sheishe permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      tama ka sa bagay na yan…
      tayo nga mismo nagbabayad ng tax… lahat may tax…

      ikaw naman na blogger nito, slave ka ng kakulangan mo sa kaalaman…

      be free!
      KNOW MORE!

  8. Troll permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    Remember kids, every child has a right to be educated. It is also a privilege anyone can choose to exercise.

    Where you study is out of the question. A silverspooned student who studies in UP is no different from a lower-middle class student who subsists on granted scholarship at a private university.

    I am quite sick with these protests, I know that state scholars passed the rigorous state examinations, and have earned their right for high-standard education. But to challenge the hand that feeds you is of bad taste. Your right is fueled by money, deal with it. Stop being so self-righteous.

    Education is a luxury, and people seem to forget how expensive it is. If you can’t keep up with an educational institution’s pace financially, make up for it with academics. Not with rallies that label hardworking people as lucky elitists who conspire to keep the circle to themselves. There are lots scholarship possibilities around, people are just lazy to seek them. I understand that not everyone has the potential to get achieve education, but the system has been tooled to cater those who can, those with the ability to do so. Money is out of the question if you have the ability, believe me, the government takes care of it’s scholars.

    I am a genius so i have to be cared for? I am a genius so I have to be left to my work? But when the price rises up, i have the right to complain because you will squander my potential?

    How selfish. Your messiah complex is far more disgusting than a 5 peso increase in per unit prices at a certain state university.

    • nakikiraan.lang permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      hayan!..kitang-kita kung ang epekto ng isang bulok na sistema ng edukasyon!..

      ang edukasyon ay karapatan ng bawat mamamayan..ngunit sa ksalukuyang nagaganap, ito ay nagiging pribilehiyo na lmng para sa iilan na kayang magbayad ng mahal na matrikula at ibang mga bayarin..bakit nging ganito?..dahil patuloy na kino-kumersyalisa ang ating edukasyon..unti-unti ng binibitawan ng pamahalaan ang responsibilidad nito na bigyan ng malaking budget ang sektor ng edukasyon..at saan napupunta ang kalakhan ng pera ng bansa?..sa kalusugan?..sa social services?..HINDI!..dahil halos kalahati ng pera ntin ay napupunta sa pambayad utang!..at mas malaki pa ang inilalaan sa military spending kumpara sa edukasyon, kalusugan at iba png mga social services na dapat sana ay syang mas na inuuna..

      dagdag din, ang puno’t dulo lang namn ng isyung ito ay ang lumalalang sistema ng edukasyon na hindi nagsisilbi sa kung ano ang tunay na interes at pangangailangan ng ating bansa..ang problema rito ay ang KOLONYAL, KOMERSYALISADO at REPRISIBO at PASISTANG edukasyon na mayroon tayo na dulot ng isang bulok na sistema ng ating bansa..aanhin mo ba ang talino mo kung magpapatuta at magpapaalipin ka lng din nmn sa mga imperyalistang bansa?..aanhin mo ang malalaking grado mo kung nanatili ka namang manhid sa hinaing ng iyong bayan..

      at dahil nga sa lumalalang krisis n ngaganap ngayon sa ating bansa, bilang mga ISKOLAR ng BAYAN, may responsibilidad tayo na ibalik sa mamamayan ang dapat lamang na sa knila gawang sila ang nagpapaaral sa atin..at sa papaanong paraan?..iyon ay sa pagpapasiguro sa kanilang mga batayang karapatan at interes..

      ang pag-rarally ay hindi isang simbolo ng arogansya o di kaya ay gulo..ito ay sumisimbolo sa demokrasya..nag-rarally ang mga aktibista dahil amy mali sa sistema..at hanggat hindi nawawasak ang sistemang ito, patuloy at patuloy ang pakikibaka nila..kahit tingnan mo sa kasaysayan ng pinas, ang ating mga karapatan ay hindi basta lang na ibinigay sa atin..ito ay ipinaglaban at pinagbuwisan ng marami..

      sa tingin ko nga, kung may mga selfish mn dito, iyon iyong mga indibidwal na walang ibang ginawa kundi ang umupo lamng sa sulok at nagpapalamon sa bulok na sistema ng bansa..

    • the hand that so-called feeds permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      “But to challenge the hand that feeds you is of bad taste.” Clearly, you have no idea. You are arguing just for the sake of it. Stay in school, study hard, serve the motherland! Lastly, never commit the same mistake of displaying ignorance over the Internet using baseless assumptions.

    • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
      August 8, 2010 3:38

      commend kita sa ingles mo tol. husay.

      the motherland consists of various people that can be categorized into those who have and those who don’t. though i agree with you that education is also a privilege we can choose to enjoy. There are more people who do not choose to do so because they don’t have the means to.

      UP and all other SUC’s is not really just a community of geniuses. It is a community of people who worked hard so that they could get their spots in the system since those in the private schools are limited. like you said, students in UP are the same as those who have scholarships in private institutions.

      They demand higher state subsidy for education not only for themselves (UP) but also because they know that there are more people like them. People who want to choose to study but who can’t because of their situations.

      They are not actually challenging the hand that feeds them. They only ask for what has been promised (under the constitution).

      Tsk. hahahaha.

      • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
        August 8, 2010 3:38

        kaya ko din pala hahaha

  9. UP Student permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    Just to correct what Troll said, we, UP students, protest about this matter not because we think geniuses should be treated like national treasures, but because we are fighting for the real essence of being students of the NATIONAL STATE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES. And as a national state university, the University of the Philippines should be a premier in its own field: EDUCATION. However, with the current going of things, we are safe to say that that is not the case.

    People come to UP for various reasons, but the most prevalent of them is that THEY WANT THE BEST EDUCATION AT THE LOWEST COST. People strive hard to pass the UPCAT because they are fueled by the GOVERNMENT’S PROMISE of quality education in spite of their financial shortcomings. And what is happening? It wasn’t even so long ago when UP tuition increased three-fold, and do we see the positive outcome of this phenomenon? We DON’T. Students who apply for STFAP (Socialized Tuition and Financial Assistance Program) will still have to undergo a ridiculously meticulous process before achieving even a Bracket C discount (even if a student’s family’s annual gross income is less than Php300,000, as long as the student carries a cellphone, possesses a TV, ref and a bed — regardless of condition — he can’t benefit from anything lower than a C — Php600/unit). UP instructors and professors are still not paid enough for their profession, for the rigorous training they have gone through just to be able to instruct in UP. Educational facilities are not well-maintained and have yet to be improved to be more conducive for learning. And most of all, we see with our very own eyes the government turning a BLIND EYE to these issues, putting personal gain first before actually doing their job.

    When we protest in the streets, expressing these sentiments, we do not complain for naught; we voice out WHAT SHOULD BE REALLY HAPPENING, BUT IS NOT BECAUSE OF GLARING ADMINISTRATIVE INCOMPETENCE. We rally for the same reasons that farmers and laborers do: because we speak in behalf of everyone stricken by the plague that is poverty, when we know we could be alleviated from it if only the government is functioning the way it should. As what the others have stated above, the CONSTITUTION itself labels education as A RIGHT to every Filipino. And how do we, mere students, be able to make the authorities, in their own self-founded glory, listen to us, but to literally storm in and shout at their faces?

    But of course you wouldn’t know that, author of this article, for with the way you speak, I can say that you don’t even belong/didn’t come from UP. You make me raise an eyebrow at your self-righteousness. You don’t even know ANYTHING. From the moment you expressed your personal, insignificant interpretation of the Oblation, you have failed to prove your credibility to me and the rest of the UP community.

    Next time your ramble, please get your facts right.

  10. PAEXTRA permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    Sa pagsulat ng entry na ito, dapat ay naghanda ka na sa mga taong mambabara sa’yo. Kabara bara naman kasi yung mga pinagsasasabi mo.

    So magaling ka na niyan at sinasabi mo na ” education is NOT a right”? Kelan pa nangyari yun? Ee di kung nagbabasa ka lang sana ng Philippine Constitution e di sana nalalaman mo kung ano ba talaga yung mga mali sa sinasabi mo. Hindi yung kailangan pa ipoint out ng mga tao sa’yo. And tama yung mga nagcomment dito na mali naman talaga yung pagcompare ng luxuries na tulad ng pagtravel sa edukasyon. EDUCATION = LUXURY?! Yan yung dating nung sinasabi mo. Basahin pa lang, maling mali na po serr.

    At si Oble? SELFISH HEROISM? WOAH. At kinakalaban mo na ngayon yung taong mismong gumawa. ANG GALING MO KUYA!

    “With their so dangerous, so ignorant belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan.” — UP students aren’t asking the government to STEAL from Pedro. Saan ba naman kasi dapat mapunta ang taxes ng mamamayan kundi sa mamamayan din hindi ba? Ang sinasabi lang naman ng mga taga-UP ay sana itaas lang ang budget ng edukasyon. Hindi yung napupunta sa militar ang napakalaking porsiyento ng budget natin. Proper budget allocation, yun ang kailangan. Kasi kuya, ang edukasyon ay KARAPATAN ng mamamayan. Mahirap man o mayaman, bawat bata ay may karapatan mag-aral. Hindi naman OPTION lang ang pag-aaral. Hindi ito para lang sa mayayaman na kayang bayaran ang matrikula. Ignorant beliefs ba? Hindi ba ikaw yung ignorant? Kung tama naman kasi yung mga sinasabi mo dito, hindi na kailangan magcomment ng mga tao sa entry mo na ito.

    Ang problema lang ay marami sa kabataang Pilipino ang hindi nakakapag-aral dahil sa kawalan ng pera. Ang UP kasi ay isang state university. Marami sa estudyante dito ay galing sa mahihirap na pamilya. Siyempre, aasa sila na maibibigay ng UP ang hinahanap nila na edukasyon. Yun nga lang, dahil sa taas ng tuition, marami rin yung pumapasa pero hindi tumutuloy. Sayang naman ang talento at potensyal ng mga taong ito kung hindi magagamit hindi ba? Kaya nga nananawagan ang iba’t ibang pamantasan na rin na hindi man posibleng maging libre ang ibigay na edukasyon, ay bawasan man lang ang babayaran ng bawat estudyanteng nagaaral dito.

    Halata naman po na hindi ka tagaUP. WALA KANG ALAM sa pinagdadaanan ng kabataan sa Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Hindi lang naman puro sigaw na walang kwenta ang ginagawa ng mga estudyante sa rally. Ito ang mensahe na nais naming iparating sa gobyerno natin.

    Nakakatawa lang na ganito ka mambara kasi fail talaga. Sa susunod, magresearch ka naman o kaya ay magtanong man lang. Para hindi ka naman nakakahiya. Itama mo na rin yung mga baluktot mong paniniwala. Pakinggan mo muna ang sarili mo. Ulit ulitin mo yung mga pinagsasasabi mo. Baka next time, mas may sense na yung ilalagay mo sa next blog mo.

  11. ugers permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    ahmm… question lang. are they asking for FREE education? as i have read, they’re only asking for a HIGHER state subsidy.

    “Money is out of the question if you have the ability, believe me, the government takes care of it’s scholars.”
    -So the cut in the budget for state subsidy/education addresses this, right?

    lastly, what does luxury mean? googling it, i came up with these.

    “something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary” from http://www.merriam-webster.com

    “an item that is desirable but not essential, and often expensive or hard to get” from http://encarta.msn.com

    yeah, that’s right! education is non-essential isn’t it? is that why there are a lot of people out there on the streets making tambay? and yeah, if a guy’s poor he shouldn’t get education(or just get scholarship but hey! isn’t state subsidy a form of scholarship?). am i getting your point now?:)

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      The blog has just been updated to lecture all of you on the proper concept of rights. I don’t expect all your stupid liberal professors to teach you the proper concept of rights.

      • July 25, 2010 3:38

        Based on what I read on the comment section, it seems that the leftist and liberal professors in the Philippines have far succeeded in indoctrinating the youth.

        The term “Rights” is a moral political term, Right is defined as a definite course of behavior of Individuals in a society that is sanctioned, proper, allowed, a privilege to be respected by all others and if anybody violates any individual “Right”, he is wrong, immoral, unsanctioned, evil, a criminal.

        Now, if education is a right, then anybody arguing that Education cannot be free, education cannot be a privilege, education cannot be a right is obviously a criminal, an evil-doer, and that creates a certain anomaly, a serious contradiction with the term Right. As per the viewpoint of Individual sovereignty and free citizenship in a society, our only rights are the rights to life, liberty, property and pursuit of happiness. That is, we are not born with a right to a trip to visit Taj Mahal, or a dinner at Hotel Taj or a cosmetic surgery or a degree in aeronautical engineering. Why cannot we have such rights? We cannot have such rights because the Individual Rights in a free society does not impose any obligation on other people except that of a negative obligation to leave the individual alone, to not to interfere with his life, to not to exploit his Rights. The Individual Rights guarantees you the freedom and chance to work and put efforts for what you want, rights are not to be given to you without any effort by somebody else. That is, you do not have a right to be fed, to be clothed, or to have a house, a car, an AC etc. Although, you have proper right to work and earn your living but you also have complete freedom to use your earning according to your wishes, you have a right to pursue your happiness. More clearly saying, one has the right to act and to keep the fruits of his actions, to produce and to keep his products or to trade them to others if he prefers. However, he has no right over the actions and products of others, except on the terms of which they voluntarily agree. That is, we all have a right to have a mutually beneficial deal voluntarily. Similarly, the right to the pursuit of happiness guarantees you the freedom and right to act to pursue your happiness and to be happy, to keep the results of your actions. It does not guarantee that other people will make you happy or will try to make you happy. If one’s desire for something imposes a duty on others to satisfy his desire, then the others have no choice in their life. They are merely slaves. One’s right to happiness at the expense of others means that the others become rightless slaves. Your right for anything at other’s expense means that the others become your rightless slaves.

      • BAKITAKO! permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        @ In defense of Vincenton Post, oh bakit ka nasa Pilipinas? sabi mo “…he has no right over the actions and products of others, except on the terms of which they voluntarily agree. That is, we all have a right to have a mutually beneficial deal voluntarily.” sa constitution iyan (Education is a Right) db? HINDI LANG NAMAN SIGURO ISANG TAO ang GUMAWA NIYAN! Sa pamamagitan ng consensus iyan at “ideally” ginagawa para sa kapakanan ng lahat. And our constitution says na EDUCATION is a RIGHT! So, it should be a RIGHT! NGAYON, gumawa ka ng sarili mong konsepto ng KARAPATAN at gumawa ka na din ng sarili mong bansa na puro kagaya mo ang meron kung hindi mo matanggap na ito ang katotohanan! SELF-INTERESTED INDIVIDUAL!!!

      • julio permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        wel wel, i got the point of the blog… but it is the interest of the state to protect and norture its assets.. and that includes human resources.. its just so happen that UPCAT is there to pick the best of at least those who took the exam and hopefully rich or poor the state must or should support it for its benefit. maybe its not that fair for those not so smart, but that is the way it is, like in europe the government is supporting those couples that will improve the demographic profile of its country.. in this case, andaming utak ipis sa pinas. and every country dont want to loose one brain just because he/she dont have the money to do so.
        and it is also the same with government support to farmers or other crafts… that will benefit the state.. its not the personal thingy but it is for the republic..

      • waistline32 permalink
        July 31, 2010 3:38

        LECTURE?

        “to lecture all of you.”

        WAHAHAH! OHAYLAVETTE!

        Oh , Tatay Vincent, this just made my day.

        Thanks for the laughs!

        Wahahahaha! The best!

        wahehhehe! *snorts like the uncultured non-UP person I am*

      • MaLoJoyCab permalink
        August 2, 2010 3:38

        HI KUYA Froivinber!

        Sana maging conscious po tayo sa words na ginagamit natin. it’s okay for you to clear things up, and try to inform everybody about what you know, pero please lang, walang judgments sana.

        You may be highly intellectual, but you’re just as bad as the words na lumalabas sa bibig mo.

        I like the way you think. I’m from UP, but I guess I get your point.Although, I’m not bending over to my side or to yours. Hahaha =)

    • ELITISTAKAUNO? permalink
      August 8, 2010 3:38

      @papa Ugers seryosong usapin to tol at ang pinaguusapan eh hindi ang estado ng mga tao kundi ang estado ng lipunan natin o ang bansa.

      @papa froivinber
      papa hwag mo ismolin ang mga professors ng UP at baka magulat ka na ang mga librong binabasa (mo kung nagbabasa ka at) ng mga teacher mo at itinuturo saung “tama” galing din sa kanila.

      pls lang. professionals sila they teach the students the concepts and ideas but they rarely do impose them on us. they are different and some may be liberal but they teach their students the same (im assuming) way they teach you: Objective, Analytical, Critical, Progressive, NON-PERSONAL

      They analyze and conclude based on facts tol. not based on their emotions.

      kaya nga ganun nalang kataas ang tingin nga mga tao sa kanila eh, kasi me laman ung sinasabe nila at meron ding basehan.

      Their concept of rights come from a deep understanding of the subject matter not only in their own fields but other fields as well. (ibig sabihin nito tol, di lang kulong sa law, philosophy, history, sociology and other branches of learning.)

  12. tax payer permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    -LEAVE THE COUNTRY AND DON’T EVER COME BACK if you do not agree with what our constitution (HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND) says

    -you are a citizen of this country, the government by virtue of the constitution have the authority over it’s citizens. and for the government to effectively execute its duties and responsibilities it must have money, coming from it’s citizens in the form of tax. every person in this country pays tax. I hope you are aware of that.

    -with that collected sum of money (tax), the government is responsible to allocate a certain budget to the services it provides it’s citizens.

    -equal access to quality education; a requisite for a country to become like one of the developed countries

    -if you do not recognized and realize the potential of your citizens and by taking away from them their right to “learn how to fish”… that will further create more problems for the country

    -filing complaints to the specific departments of the government may not have been effective in answering their grievances that is why they are on the streets

    -good luck

    • Real Taxpayer permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      Taxpayer, I don’t think you’re a taxpayer. It seems that you don’t know what it means to pay high amount of income tax. Pay for your education. The government must PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!

      • memew ako permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        karapatan ho kasi ng bawat tao makapagaral maski pa hindi ka pinoy kahit kano ka, hapon o taga-Jupiter, KARAPATAN ng bawat tao na matuto. magkaron ng kaalaman. hindi yun para sa mga may-kaya lang. hindi yun PRIBILEHIYO.

        pag naghirap ka at nais mong matuto para magkaron ng sapat na kaalaman para magtrabaho at magkapera, makatulong sa bayan at may maipagmalaki sa susunod na henerasyon, PERO WALA KANG PERA PARA MAGARAL, san ka tatakbo?

        ganto na lang..
        taya ka sa lotto.

      • ian permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        to real tax payer:

        unang -una, si tax payer ay isang tunay na tax payer, dahil gumamit sya ng internet at kuryente sa pagpost ng kanyang komento. ang kuryente ay pinapatawan ng VAT na isang uri ng buwis.

        sa tono ng pananalita mo, parang sinabi mo na rin na walang karapatang magsalita ang isang taong di nagbabayd ng buwis. check the constitution and you’ll find na bawat Filipino ay may karapatang i-express ang kanyang opinyon, regardless of his/her socio-economic status.

        naisip mo na rin ba repercussions ng sinabi mo na “PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!”? naisip mo na lang ba kung gaano mas maghihirap ang bansa natin kung puro private school (na syempre di naman mag ooperate nang palugi) ang schools dito? it will only mean mas konti ang makakapasok sa kolehiyo dahil di makakayanan ng majority ng Pilipino tustusan ang tuition. at sa sistema ng buhay ngayon, kapag wala kang diploma, malabong magkaron ng trabaho. lalong dadami ang mahihirap nating kababayan at higit na magiging mahirap para sa kanila ang umahon sa kahirapan.

        wag ka umasta na ikaw lang ang may karapatang magsalita at magreklamo dahil “high” ang binabayaran mong income tax. wag mo ring sisihin si tax payer at ang mga taong umaasa sa edukasyon sa state universities sa iyong tax burden. sisihin mo ang mga korap na opisyal ng gobyerno na lumulustay sa kaban ng bayan at gumagasta sa maling prayoridad.

      • akolangnaman permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        grabe ouch naman sa magulang kong nagbabayad ng malaking income tax..😦 sana po hindi kayo naggegeneralize sa mga taga UP.

        sa iba… di naman po lahat ng professor sa UP ay nagtuturo ng rally or whatsoever. mga estudyante lang talaga ang nakakaramdam sa realidad ng buhay sa UP…

        mahirap magbayad ng 1.5k per unit.. lalo na kung alam mong mas mababa naman dapat ang binabayad mo dahil state university ang unibersidad…

        try to enroll yourself in UP. Tapos saka mo sabihin na mali kami..

      • xtian17 permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        if the government would privitize UP and all other schools, then the education would NO LONGER be accessible… Is this a violation of the Art. 14, Sec. 1 of our Constitution? Yes? Yes!

      • nakikiraan.lang permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        Real taxpayer, alam mo ba ang pinagsasabi mo?!..mahiya ka sa sarili mo!..kung tax payer ka, dapat alam mo kung saan at kung bakit nagbabayad ka ng tax!..

        sa pagsasabi mo na i-privatize ang UP at ang ibng mga State Universities ay para mo na ring sinabi na walang karapatan ang lahat ng mga tao na mabigyan ng isang dekalidad na edukasyon..at sino ngayon ang mkikinabang at matutuwa sa ideyang iyan?..mas lalo pa ngayong mahihirapan ang masang lubos ng pinagsasamantalahan!..

        ano ba para sa iyo ang edukasyon?..ito ba ay luxury din?..

        isa kang mangmang!

      • nobody.... permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        stupid ka bah???? privatize?????? kaya nga may free education for those na hindi kaya mag aral sa ibang schools eh tapos i privatize mo pa????? alam mo ba kng gaanu ka hirap ang dinadanas ng mga magulang namin para mapag aral kmi???? taz i privatize mo ung mga state U???? manhid ka…….ikaw kaya sa position ng mga magulang na wlang trabaho pero may utang ang anak…. panu mo mapapag-aral xa sa isang mabuting unibersidad…….????? ikaw nga????? kaya mo bah ang gngwang ibang magulang na may trabaho nmn ngunit kulang ang sweldo nila?????? pang kain nga lang sa pang-araw2x d mabigyan ng tamang budget…. para lng mapag-aral ang mga anak nila…..ganun na nga kahirap ang tao ngaun taz i privatize mo pa ang mga unibersidad????? taasan kaya nila ang tuition kng mag privatize…. alam mo bah un????

      • alzino permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        Stupid jerk! You got high income because you’re one of the few privileged! Try living with the marginalised poor. Ooops, of course you cannot afford to do that. You will not give up your scrumptious lifestyle, and continue sympathizing with these shallow-minded people… dahil hindi kayo ang MAS nahihirapan

  13. pepe smith permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    I would like to correct some of the misconceptions that you have with regards to your blog post.

    on your post, you wrote that ‘…with their so dangerous, so ignorant belief that they are entitled to a free and/or subsidized education, they are simply asking the government to steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan.’ It is irresponsible, at the least, to conclude that for higher state subsidy to be given, the tax payer automatically carries the burden. The government need not steal from pedro if the government keeps its priorities in check. There seems to be an assumption that the government is doing one hell of a job in keeping the country afloat, and because of this, you fail in addressing the fact that government is in itself flawed. Members of government have stolen money from the national budget and there are a ton of over-priced but unfinished government projects. Pagcor has acted as a personal atm for a lot of politicians which has resulted to mass lay-offs of workers in the controversial corporation. Bottom line is, better planning in the allocation of budget, getting rid of politician who make it a habit of profiteering in public office, will nullify the need to increase taxes to satisfy the needs of the students of the country (as well as other sectors of society) as a whole.

    You further state that ‘The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide for their educational needs. Their fight for higher state subsidy only means two things: First, they want to be the beneficiaries of “service, and Second, the productive members of our society must be condemned to serve the good of these social beneficiaries. Where do they think the government will get the money to serve their needs? The government has no magical power to turn a stone into gold, to turn a piece of wood into a loaf of bread. ‘ This is a hasty generalization. First of all, you must ask, when these students ask for higher state subsidy, do they ask for higher taxes to provide it? NO. It is true that government does not have the ‘magical power to turn stone into gold’, and it is a basic fact that our, and essentially all, resources are limited by nature; however, government has the capacity of controlling where the money goes. The 2010 national budget is P1.541 trillion. The 2010 national budget is eight percent (or P115 billion) higher than last year.But despite this increase, P2.1 Billion was subtracted from the budget allocation for SUCs or State Universities and Colleges, P1.3 B was subtracted from the University of the Philippines, whose expenses include 9 units in total (including extension programs in Pampanga, Palo, Layte, and Baler, Aurora, and the UP-PGH or Philippine General Hospital). That is inhumane due to the fact that the University is already in debt which lead to the infamous 300% tuition fee increase in 2006. Do we have the budget? Yes, but where does the money go? It goes to corrupt politicians who steal it, it goes to the military which ensure that these corrupt politicians stay in power, and it goes to relatives who make sure that power stays in the same circle of people. The fight for higher state subsidy is not between leftists and the rest of the Filipino people as you so crudely put it. It is between the Filipino people (those who are students, those who want to study, those who aren’t even born yet, and even those who are apathetic to the issue) and the members of government and society whose aim is to privatize and commercialize education (mind you, I wrote members of government, not government as a whole).

    Next, I would like to go back to your argument:

    we see liberals and leftist protesters asking for exclusive government protection, free or cheap medicines, free health care, free or subsidized food, free access to duality, and free “everything”.

    This is a misguided argument. medicine/healthcare, education, food and housing are regarded as basic needs. To have then should not be a luxury. Now, asking for the government for access to your basic needs (food, medicine, healthcare, education, housing, etc.) is not the same thing as asking for a Marcedes Benz or a 700sqft house in Corinthian Hills. Now, is this such an unreasonable request? NO. In a lot of western capitalist countries (not only in socialist countries), basic social services is provided for all citizens. In Britain, ALL hospital services are free. In France, all levels of education is free. In Canada, respectable housing for the homeless is provided. It goes without saying that the same is true for some South American Countries such as Venezuela and Cuba among others. This only proves that it is not impossible for government to provide for its people. Its just that those in power are missing one large chunk in the puzzle to make this happen, and that is that we depend on tax too much. If the government spent more of the budget on improving the agriculture of the country and investing in local industries instead of spending it for their own benefit or for the benefit of their transnational masters, then we’ll be in better shape than we are now.

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      I’m sorry but I don’t see any misconception here. It’s either you don’t really understand the proper concept of right or you’re simply stupid.
      You must understand that need is never a claim on slave labor. In a free society, no one must be sacrificed in the name common good or in the name of the good of a particular group or class of people. It is not the fault of the productive and successful people if there are members in our society who can’t afford to send their children to school.

      Where will the government get the money if we all have the right to a free or subsidized education? The mentality of most UP students is simply against economic realities. It must fail and I’m glad that someone is speaking up against the collective idiocy of some of our “iskolar ng bayan” and their leftist cohorts.

      • memew ako permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        kung hindi ka pamilyar sa salitang ito, maaring maintindihan kita: HUSTISYA at PAGKAKAPANTAY-PANTAY.

        sabi mo, “where will the government get money, blabla..” alam mo ba na mayaman tayo? pero mahiwagang nawawala ang kaperahan ng sambayanan sa kamay ng gobyerno, at imbes na yun ang maging gamit para maging maunlad ang Pilipinas, ang nangyayari, nangungutang tuloy tayo sa ibang bansa. hence making us POOR.
        mayaman lang ang mayaman dahil madami syang pera. ang yaman lang naming mga hindi nabiyayaan ay ang kaalaman na balang araw,makakapagtapos kami’t magsisilbi sa bayan na naghihirap at nangangailangan ng mga tagapag-silbi nya.

        atsaka gusto ko lang malaman mo na hindi lahat ng UPian ay subjected to free educ. mga sobrang tatalino lang tlaga at deserving scholars ang napagkakalooban nito.

        and i think, yung dinedepensahan mong nagsulat ng entry na to ay di makakkuha ng ganitong scholarship no matter what happen.
        ay, di bale pala may pambayad naman sya eh.

      • pepe smith permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        That in itself is a misconception, in the words of robert dahl, man is essentially a social being even if he is not necessarily a political animal. What he means is that even if men like you exist who choose not to be part of the political system, you are inevitably a part of it. Therefore, you can’t separate the concept of self between one person and the rest of society because the concept of self and how it is shaped is largely based on the rest of society. As in your case, your cynicism and apparent lack of concern for other people other than yourself, your brash and irate conduct on how you reply to my comments, your innate stupidity in raising arguments is formed, affected and influenced by the rest of the people who interact with you on a daily basis. There are studies that show that if your home experiences aren’t healthy, there is a big chance that you will turnout to be mentally and emotionally disturbed. We understand that the same case may be with you, but despite the fact that you might be suffering from some form of mental or behavioral problems, it does not warrant for you to aggravate anyone else.

        Your second misconception in your reply is that you’re stupid enough to recognize that you are a part of a society but you fail to recognize what being part of a society entails. You say you are against collectivism and yet you recognize a society of filipinos, just that some are more ‘capable’ than others. But that cannot be the case, man, being a social being, chooses to live with others of their kind. If these communities form a government, define a territory and establish a set of rules they abide by, then they create the state and they define their society. But to be part of this society, you have to be part with all aspects of society, it is not a matter of choice. A recognition of this society is an acceptance of the problems of this society. Yes, you can separate society based on class, on social stature, etc; but you cannot separate responsibility amongst them, all have equal responsibility, its just that some are more capable of accomplishing their responsibility. Further, you argue the case of the middle class, those who pay taxes dutifully, not necessarily because they are exemplary models of society, but because they don’t have the choice to do otherwise. If you are gonna criticize the students of SUC’s for allegedly wanting to ‘make tax payers slaves’, then why don’t you also criticize the large multinational companies, local companies and the elites who make tax evasion a sport? They themselves, to some extent, benefit from tax payers pesos, but they themselves don’t pay taxes (or pay a lot less that what they are supposed to).

        I suggest you read more before you make such fallacious posts. Kulang ka pa sa aral, because your arguments, in my opinion, can be easily trumped by any second year polsci major. And my last word of advice is that if you are so hell bent on being an ‘individual’, not wanting to carry the burden of being part of a society, then by all means don’t be part of it.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Ayan, JRT. Sana kasi, binasa mo muna.

        Mahirap kasi mag-argue kung hindi mo alam yung argument ng iba. Nagmukha ka tuloy tanga. Alang bearing kasi sinabi mo. At all! Kaka-argue lang na hindi nga dagdagdagan ang buwis, i-a-allocate lang ng tama.

      • unlike you permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        wahahahaha!!!! look who’s talking!!!! hindi porket may na-cite kang author na foreigner at nag-english ka, matalino ka noh boy??? iba ang taong matalino sa taong hindi alam gamitin ang sariling katalinuhan! hahahahahaha

      • eufems permalink
        August 9, 2010 3:38

        “Where will the government get the money if we all have the right to a free or subsidized education? The mentality of most UP students is simply against economic realities. It must fail and I’m glad that someone is speaking up against the collective idiocy of some of our “iskolar ng bayan” and their leftist cohorts.” – – JRT

        To JRT,

        Iba po ang exercising the right from the right itself. Pag sinabing ‘everyone has a right to free hospitalization’ hindi ibig sabihin nito na lahat magpapa-ospital ng libre lalo’t kung may alternatibo naman ang mga di ganoon ka-hirap na magpa-ospital ng mas mainam kahit may bayad.

        Ang inihihingi lang po ng mga mahilig mag-rally (bagama’t pinagdududahan ko rin minsan kung mayroon itong naidudulot) ay mabigyan ng karapatan ang mga kapus-palad na mamamayan na mag-aral upang sila rin ay makatulong sa pagpapaunlad ng bayan at ng bawat mamamayan nito.

        Ang pondo po ay makukuha sa mas organisadong at mas wais na paggamit ng pera ng bayan pati ang pagsupil sa kurapsyon na nagdudulot sa kasayangan ng mga buwis na ibinabayad ng karaniwang mamamayan.

        I agree with Pepe Smith :))

  14. CDJ permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    npakababaw ng pagtingin mo sa kung ano ang ipinaglalaban ng mga estudyanteng ito. marahil di mo naranasan mamroblema kung makakapag aral ka pa. sa mga opinion mo pa lng,masasabi ko na na ndi ka bahagi ng populasyon ng napakaraming estudyante na hirap sa buhay. Ang pagiging ignorante mo sa pangit na realidad ng buhay ang pumipigil sayo pra makita ang tunay na esensya ng mga ipinaglalaban nila. kung maranasan mo lng maghirap sa buhay,maghirap para makamit lang ang edukasyon na inaasam mo,maghirap para matupad lang ang mga pangarap mo,tignan na lng natin kung masabi mo pa ang lahat ng yan. kung hindi man ngayon,pag nagkapamilya ka na at maranasan mo ang hirap na magpa aral ng anak na nararanasan ng mga magulang namin,kakainin mo lahat ng mga sinasabi mo. ang laban na ito ay di lamang para sa kasalukuyan,kundi pati sa kinabukasan.
    hindi mo ba naisip kung anu na ang hinaharap na naghihintay sa bansa natin kung magtutuloy tuloy ang pagtaas ng tuition fee? mas lalong dadami ang ndi makakapag aral,mas dadami ang mahihirap. ang mga mahihirap,lalong maghihirap,dahil mayayaman na lng ang makakapag aral. un ba ang gusto mo?bansa na kung saan marami ang naghihirap at iilan lng ang maginhawa ang buhay?
    EDUCATION IS A RIGHT!

  15. cabhill family permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    hahahahaha!! nakakatawa. tga sang skul ka?? kawawa naman yung skul mo at meron silang napakatangang estudyante gaya mo.. andami mo na sanang alam.. kaya lang lahat ng iyon, patapon!!

    “Taxpayer, I don’t think you’re a taxpayer. It seems that you don’t know what it means to pay high amount of income tax. Pay for your education. The government must PRIVATIZE UP AND OTHER STATE SCHOOLS!” -real taxpayer

    gago???? anong tingin mo sa mga magulang namin para lang makapag aral kami, hindi ba sila taxpayers??????

    alam mo, bago ka magsulat ng kung anu-ano, sana nag-aral ka muna.. o kahit pahapyaw man lang na background check.. nakaka-awa ka eh!

    ps. mag ingat ka sa karma.. magdala ka ng mapa palagi ah.. iwasan mo mga teritoryo ng UP.. di ka namin sasantuhin!
    sya nga pala, sa dami ng sumagot sa’yo at tinama lahat ng mali mong sinabi, di ka pa din ba na enlightened??.. tsaka try to go deeper pala at ‘wag kang one-sided.. i consider mo yung point of view ng ibang tao.. try to put yourself in our shoes.. tingnan ko lang kung di ka umiyak ng durian matapos mabasa blog mo..

  16. July 25, 2010 3:38

    bat may galit ka sa mga taga -UP? may ginawa kami sa iyo? ang ingay mo pare, siguro napaka ignorante mo.

  17. psychic beautician permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    Ah yes, Vincenton speaks. Though I agree that education is not a right however the wise and clever Randian Vince has stepped into the crapper (again) by not reading OUR constitution. He thinks he lives in the USA where he can argue his point. But my dear budding Randian nutjob, the Philippine constitution is different. Oh well, it was idiotically entertaining of you to rand like a Randian nut…as always.

    • To Psychic Beautician permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      Just because it’s a law doesn’t mean it’s good….
      The only proper, legitimate purpose of the government is to protect Individual Rights(which is needed irregardless of the laws in your country you are in)

      Our Individual Rights consists of our Right to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness( I type the word Pursuit in all caps lock to make a point)

      And also as the blog said the Taxpayers are not your slave(irregardless of the corruption there is, indeed that corruption roots from A Government who do much more that
      it’s proper role…, as a saying goes “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”)

      • pepe smith permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        yes, there is no argument there, tax payers are not our slaves, and we should be free to pursue happiness. But you have to qualify, do these students want to make tax payers their slaves? NO. They just want fair appropriation of the budget for education. Singapore gives 12% of their GDP to education, the philippines gives a less than 3%. The prescribed amount by the United Nations is 6%. The government can do this if they lessen funding for the military(as the money dones not trickle down to the common soldier, and is in fact, stolen by high rank officials) and lessen the funding for personal and positon funds. Second, we are definitely free to pursue happiness, however, we must also have a recognition of our social contract. we are citizens of the Philippines, therefore we are very much responsible for it and by some degree, the other citizens. Hindi naman hinihiling na ibigay mo buhay mo for the country, pero hindi rin naman tama na you give nothing to your country. We are not just individuals, we are individuals living with other individuals😛

      • vox populi permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        nasabi na halos lahat ng gusto kong ikomento sa blog entry na ito.. pero bilang pahuling salita, sana alamin mo muna ang tamang paggamit ng mga salitang Ingles, gaya ng “irregardless..”

        marami kasi sa ‘ting mga “edukado” na todo-Ingles magsalita o magsulat pero mali-mali naman grammar.. fluency does not equate to being proficient in Emglish..

        minsan mas magandang mag-Filipino ka na lang..

      • Duh permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        Irregardless [sic] of what you say, you’re unable to refute the thesis of the blogger.

  18. hindiakotanga permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    tangina mo kang and kitid ng iyong perspektibo,
    halatang isa kang elitista at walang alam sa pinagdadaanan ng masa,
    kung magsusulat ka ng isang bagay tungkol samin, marapat lang na kilalanin mo kami nang hindi malimali ang iyong naiisip..

    kung dumaan ka sa pagkamahirap, maiintindihan kung ano ang hustisya at kung anu ang karapatan

  19. Knightraven permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    looks like somebody forgot to read their constitution!~~~~

    bad bad boy. id like to see you try lecturing this crap before a big class full of UP students!

    good luck with life son. hope it treats you well.

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      Here’s part of my commentary on the 1987 Philippine Constitution:

      “Again, the “right to education” or “free access to education” enshrined in our 1987 Constitution is an INVALID CONCEPT for it negates the Law of Identity and the Law of Causality. The framers of our Constitution dismissed the fact that the government is not supposed to be a “Robin Hood” agency, but an agency which has the sole duty to protect our individual rights and to safeguard this country against invasion or against internal threat. The framers of our Charter forgot the fact that before there can be something to “redistribute”, there has to be a definite source of wealth. They simply did not understand the relation between production and distribution. The constitutional right to”quality education at all levels” and “accessible education” is a puerile fantasy that is never grounded in reality. Such a right is an invalid concept and a floating abstraction.”

      Read my previous commentaries on the Constitution:
      The Moral Base of the Filipino Nation and Philippine’s Intellectual Bankruptcy
      Pres. Aquino and His Society of Lemmings. In this blog I stated the following:
      “Most of the provisions in Article XIV on education, science and technology, arts, culture and sports. Under Section 1, it is stated that “The State shall protect and promote the right of all citizens to quality education at all levels, and shall take appropriate steps to make such education accessible to all.” Section 2 of the same Article enumerates how the government shall achieve its “education for all” policy. This provision simply means redistribution of wealth and that it makes the state the sole provider of our educational needs. This is a breach of both metaphysical reality and economic reality in that it regards individuals as helpless human beings who must rely on the government for their basic needs. The solution to quality and better education is privatization of all educational centers and institutions. Privatization is the only key to better access to quality education. Under a free-market system, competition will force schools, colleges and universities to lower their tuition fees, hire competent teachers and professors, focus on research, improve their facilities, offer scholarship grants, etc.”

      • cabhill family permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        gago!!! alam mo ba talaga ang kahulugan ng isang “accessible education”????
        puro ka theories!.. isapraktika mo kaya noh????

      • July 25, 2010 3:38

        Who will guarantee “accessible education” and where will they get the money to make it possible? You don’t only demand “accessible education”, you also demand quality education, you parasites! There’s a price for everything. If you want quality education, you must be ready to pay for it. There can be no quality education without too much government spending. Pay for your education if you want it and don’t be crying ladies!

      • cabhill family permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        ulol!! baket?? mukha ba kaming natatakot sa mga profound words mo??
        alam naman naming “test case” mo lang yan.. pero you shouldn’t have gone that far just to see the reaction of UP students.. ambobo kasi ng sinasabi mo eh..

        ANLAKI KASI NG KOMUNIDAD NG KINALABAN MO!!

        sabi ng friend ko:

        “freshie pa lang ako may ganyan na
        freshie pa si satur me ganyan na
        at habang tumatagal pinapatunayan lang ng kasaysayan ang kamalian nyang sinasabi nya
        nakakaawa sya promise”

        eto isipin mo: kung may quality at accessible education sa paraan ng sinasabi mong “you must be ready to pay for it” shit mode mo…. BAKIT KAYA IPINAGLALABAN NAMIN ANG DAPAT? STATE U NGA MANONG EH! bobo po? paulit-ulit?

        ang ibig mo bang sabihin eh ang mahihirap na GAYA KO eh walang karapatan para sa sarili mong lengwahe na “quality education”? ganun ba yun?

        we are not the parasites, YOU SELFISH PARASITE!
        crying ladies? yes, ang iniiyak ng mga puso namin eh para sa ipinaglalaban namin. BATTLE CRY dude!

        ps.
        ‘wag mo nga kaming tawaging parasite! mas mukha kang parasite ulol! ampangit mo!! mas gwapo pa yung mga e. coli na pinag aaralan ko sa lab!

      • July 25, 2010 3:38

        bagsak sa statcon

      • @ cabhill family permalink
        July 31, 2010 3:38

        ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?

        https://i2.wp.com/www.searchenginepanel.com/wp-content/uploads/banned.gif

      • 87-40184 permalink
        December 15, 2010 3:38

        EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, Froi.

        You can cite Rand, Kant and all the philosophers that you admire but the REALITY that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT will always trounce the PHILOSOPHY that it is not or should not be. It is enshrined in our Constitution. It is also expressly stipulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Article 26). I see that your syllogism is based merely on the realm of the “conceptual” and not on the “real” because the concept that EDUCATION IS A RIGHT became part of the Law of the Land – and therefore objective reality – when the people, through a referendum, approved the 1987 Constitution.

        Were those people who overwhelmingly voted for the enactment of the Constitution the “idiots, dumb, ignoramuses, socialist parasites, threats to society” that you regard them to be? Were those who wrote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “misguided” in some way? I doubt so. The framers of these documents were not the “statists” that you deride or “socialists” that you condemn. Most are still alive and I see that they are – to use a favourite phrase – unabashed capitalists.

        What they did recognize is that the “individual” is better served by the “collective” when the latter is LEARNED; that indeed, the RIGHT TO EDUCATION “is a condition of existence required by man’s nature for his PROPER survival.” (Capitalization, mine) Imagine a society where education is NOT a right, Froi. Imagine a society where the price of education will rely primarily on market forces or the law of supply and demand. Imagine taking away the government educational subsidy for the millions of pupils and students in the Philippines whose parents can barely FEED them. I know whereof I speak Froi, because I am a public school teacher’s son.

        The consequence will be a nation of ignorant, uninformed, uncritical citizens, WHICH will ultimately be more burdensome for the “taxpayers” you don’t want to be “sacrificed.” In the end, we will be a country of an educated few, tending to an uneducated multitude. We are impoverished as a country not because of the Right to Education but in spite of it. The gargantuan public debt was incurred not because of the educational subsidy but because of the CORRUPTION in government, which would be lessened if the masses were better educated, more informed and critically vigilant.

        By the way, the Jewish philosopher Ayn Rand was educated in Petrograd STATE University, a university in Russia that is arguably one of the best in the world. Her discourses about “individualism & objectivism” as against “collectivism” were a consequence of her utter despise for “Bolshevik Communism”. You must also cite the SITUATIONAL CONTEXT upon which Rand’s philosophy is based, to clarify everything.

        You espouse the “abolition of the UP.” The UP will be here long after you turn to fertilizer but I do admire the way you were able to invite “reactions” to your (pretending-to-be-intellectual) treatise the way dung is able to attract flies. A social menace, that’s how you practically branded us UP students and alumni. Well, the UP, just like any other educational institution has produced heroes and heels, angels and scoundrels. Since you claimed that you “never intended” to become an Isko like us, let me say this, you missed a lot.

    • silvertoes permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      @froivinber:

      What about the BRILLIANT people who cannot afford to go to school?

      • to kuyang pangfriendster ang pose permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        @froivinber:

        kuya, may itsura ka sana kaso bobo ka.

        bobo ka no? bobo.

        magsama kayo ng sumulat ng blog na ito.

        pointless ang makipag argue sayo dahil ignorante ka.

        naghahanap ka lang ng away. bakit di ka na lang sa kanto humanap ng away?
        di pa sasakit ulo mo sa kakaisip (kung sakaling may utak ka nga) at di ka pa maubusan ng dugo kakaenglish no?

  20. Midnight Writer permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    I got the points from this blog and i have to admit that some of them do make sense. a friend even told me that some of your arguments are strong – although i think you lack in connecting the dots as you fave flawed ones as well – which i think why some people are mad about.

    Getting all my facts straight for just a short time, i think i saw a point that – probably you have missed. Browsing through your facebook account which you have posted the link as well as reading a short discussion with one of your contacts, i quote,

    ” If there were deserving students to study at UP and other state universities, it would be those who are against state subsidies, socialism, and social immolation. Since education subsidies are now part of our system and since it would require a true moral revolution to change it, those who reject socialism and big government deserve to study in state universities. You deserve to be at UP.”

    Yes, you do have a point – but it does not mean that i actually do support everything. However, you may seem to forget that we have a loop of arguments here.

    And then we have the idea of the ‘poor.’ If the people that deserve to be in UP would actually reject even the idea of a state subsidy – because of a big government, the ‘poor’ would never go into the institution.

    and what if – in mere theory – the ‘poor’ really deserves – and has the right – to be in UP? They would never get in – or if they do, they won’t stay for long – because they can’t pay the fees [to begin with].

    i think it’s a loop of arguments. – or please prove me wrong.

    • cabhill family permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      warak ka baby boy!! punit!! tas-tas!! wak-wak!! basag!! oha!???

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      First, what is the proper concept of rights? I have sufficiently addressed this issue. The “right to education ” is a perversion of the proper concept of rights for it includes the right to demand something from an ever benevolent agency we call “government.” Rights are a condition to man’s existence. In order to live as a human being and to ensure our survival, we must have a rational understanding of what makes life on earth possible. As I stated above, “A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action—which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life.”
      The Constitution actually demolishes the concept of rights by adding a lot of socialist provisions under Article 2 (General Principles and State Policies), which is a departure from the 1935 Constitution, which I consider the most faithful version to man’s rights and existence. The provision on the “right to accessible education” is actually a negation of rights. There are only four fundamental categories of rights:
      1. The right to Life
      2. The right to liberty
      3. The right to property
      4. The right of pursuit of happiness.
      Observe that these rights do not include the right to “something” or the right of “public demand.” I find the vitriolic comments very disturbing and ignorant. If this is the kind of students we we graduate, then we’re doomed…

      You said: “And then we have the idea of the ‘poor.’ If the people that deserve to be in UP would actually reject even the idea of a state subsidy – because of a big government, the ‘poor’ would never go into the institution.”

      Poverty is not merely a creation of mere unluckiness or failure to survive. In most societies, poverty is the by-product of man’s failure to think. People in some slave pens are poor not merely because of corruption, but because of people’s ignorance and failure to discover the proper morality and the proper social system for man. Our huge amount of debt is not merely a product of government’s mismanagement and corruption, but most especially of the dominant mentality of our people, which consists of their belief that the government must embark on excessive government spending to provide for their needs. There are certainly some poor people who deserve their fate because of their failure to think and credulity.

      In short, there are more poor people in this country because of their rejection of the right and most moral social system on earth, which is free-market capitalism. What do you think is happening now in Venezuela? A lot of professionals- those who are still willing to think- would like to leave their country because of the self-immolating and self-sacrificing policies of Hugo Chavez. Even some union leaders believe that the socialist policies of their government have been causing poverty and great social misery. Venezuela is the result of a society of people with more public demands and who ask too much from their government. The Venezuelans put Chavez to power in the hope that he would provide their education, health care, and all basic needs. Look at the result of their COLLECTIVE STUPIDITY.

      What will happen to poor people in a truly free society (but we’re not yet a free society as we continue to move towards socialism)? The only way to help them is through private charity. There are a lot of scholarship programs being offered by private universities and private institutions. I, for one, was a university scholar in college for being the editor in chief of our campus organ even though my family could afford to pay for my education. I was also a scholar in law school for two years. This means that if we want to obtain education, we must work for it. We should earn it!

      • Midnight Writer permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        First. I did not comment here to argue. I just found this blog different. here’s what i have to say – again.

        Yes, i do get your points. and i think you have to agree with me that somehow, the law will never be practicing any kind of equality nor equity in this setup.

        I see this in a different way though. Somehow, the government should help its citizens with their education but it does not equate to the idea that it should be giving them free ones. [Not being fully involved in similar demonstrations,] I say that probably, some students – NOT exactly pertaining to UP students – ask for subsidies because they do realize that the government has done less for education – not exactly in the college level.

        As in UP’s case, the tuition fee has increased and has plans to increase yet again – even though the students haven’t seen much improvement – even in facilities – from the previous increase. I think you know this, right? By such, you would inevitably ask why the hell would the students [or their families] would [find a way] pay for their schooling if they can’t even see the improvement?

        Or maybe you do have a point – well actually you do, although i do not agree on all of them. But being smart is not enough, dude. you should also understand that subjectivity cannot be fully separated on the idea of being objective [hence the rants in other comments here].

        You could have put this – and explained – everything in a better way.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Back it up with facts. Your crude theoretical representation of the Philippine society as a whole shows how much you don’t know society.

        Para na ring sinabi mong pag naabutan kitang nakatalikod, pag hinataw kita ng baseball bat sa ulo, hinimatay ka because of your failure to think! Kita mo ang butas ng logic?

        Ganito kasi..

        Nagka-social contract. (Sorry ha, ini-imply mo kasing dapat magpatayan tayo, matira ang matibay. Sa totoo lang, ‘di ka tatagal ng trenta segundos sa dami ng kinalaban mo).

        Anyway, social contract. Part ng contract na para ma-improve ang solidarity ng contract (society), kailangan well-trained ang susunod na generations. Para walang bobong taong bigla na lang mag-iincite ng patayan.

        May representations (gov) para i-ensure ang implementation ng kontrata. Yung “representatives” kinuha yung pera for implementation para bumili ng kotse, mag-arkila ng armadong tao para patayin ang magreklamo.

        “Failure to think ba ‘yun ng society?” Hindi, pandaraya ‘yun. Kaya sinisingil (legally). Hindi rin naman kasi pwedeng basta patayin lang ‘yung nandaya. Defending the contract by means against it is futile (not to mention stupid at paikot-ikot gaya ng impractical “defense” mo).

        p.s. covered na actually ni pepe smith ang lahat ng basis. Hindi mo lang siguro binabasa.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        *bases

      • 87-40184 permalink
        December 16, 2010 3:38

        Who is to say what is the “proper concept of ‘rights'”? You? Or the writer of this other blog who seems to have written exactly as you did?

        http://www.reasonforliberty.com/anarcho-capitalism/education-is-not-a-right.html

  21. To Cabhill Family permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    You said

    “ang ibig mo bang sabihin eh ang mahihirap na GAYA KO eh walang karapatan para sa sarili mong lengwahe na “quality education”? ganun ba yun? ”

    ano ring ibig mong sabihing manggagamit ka ng pera ng iba para sa pagpapaaral mo
    Ang mga produktibong tao ay di mo mga alila para sa pagpapaaral mo….

    • echoserang bio student permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      omayghad mr froilan…
      we are not enslaving taxpayer’s.
      do we have to repeat it to you, over and over and over again??sucks you know..thinking that people like you actually exist..

      i repeat, the government doesn’t need to add new taxes, just proper budget allocation.
      oh and btw, we are also fighting for the scrapping of nonsense taxes such as EVAT and RVAT.

      we’re not like you. we’re not selfish bastards.
      we always think of others, especially the masses in our every struggle.

      if you still insist that education is a privilege, please by all means, visit slum areas, visit rural areas, hear their stories, hear OUR stories.

      anlabo mo men eh..
      andami mong pedeng gamiting philosopher si ayn rind pa..kagago..

      utak pede??libre pa-install, pentium poor pa ata gamit mo eh..

  22. cabhill family permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    mr. froilan vincent bersamina.. ako ay matutulog na..
    bukas ko nalang babasahin comments mo, okay?

    nytie!

    ps. for sure marami pang magccomment sa blog mo. tyak nyan, para ka na namang sirang plakang paulit-ulit ang mga sinasabi.. kung ang pagmamahal ay may one-sided love, hindi pwede yun sa ganitong usapan. hindi lang dapat one-sided ang ideas ng isang “writer”. ok?

    anyway, goodnyt!

  23. memew ako permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    naniniwala po akong nahihibang ka na at nais mong kuyugin ka ng isanlibo’t limang raan mahigit na estudyante ng UPB. at ang lakas ng loob mong magdefine ng terms na parang wala ka naman talagang ideya kung anong ibig sabihin talaga. hindi ako kasing henyo ng mga kapwa ko UPian, pero kayang kaya kong ilektyur sayo ang TAMA sa lahat ng maling sinabi mo. i mean, your whole blog entry.
    kung tlagang gusto mong maliwanagan ang buong UP sa mga pinagsasabi mo ipaliwanag mo muna kung bakit may mga mangmang na katulad mo..
    karapatan mo ang edukasyon,dapat magaral ka ulit kuya para hindi ka nakukuyog ng ganito. kung tlagang nagaral ka at naafford mong mag-aral bakit puro katangahan yang mga pinagdadada mo?
    swerte mo nga’t nakapagbayad ka ng tuition para makapagaral, eh ano naman inaral mo?
    parang wala yata ehh o baka BS P.E ka?

    sorry kung naiinsulto kita, pero para sayo rin yan.. aral ka ulit baka sakaling maintindihan mo yang mga sinabi mong hindi namin maarok arok kung sang lupalop ng kokote mo hinugot.

  24. kyo permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    EXCUSE ME, but exactly where did you read or hear that UPians are asking for FREE education? and even if this isn’t what we’re fighting for, has it not crossed your mind that there are brilliant minds out there who CAN’T AFFORD to pay for four years of college? the entire purpose of a state university is to send those struggling financially to school for a price within their reach, in order for them to enhance and develop their skills, so that they can graduate, get a good job and serve their people and country. it is not their fault that they weren’t born into well-off families. there was nothing they did wrong that brought such a lifestyle upon them. I say shame on you if you support the belief that the only people who deserve a formal education are those who have money in the bank to pay for it! EDUCATION IS A RIGHT. we are not asking for some ludicrous, extravagant thing of luxury like spoiled brats who whine until they get what they want! we are demanding what is supposed to be given to us from the very people who put it on paper that it is a basic necessity of life! does that make us thieves? does that make us criminals? if so, then how much more grave of a crime would it be to take it away from us by putting it within reach of only those who are swimming in money?
    PLEASE, enlighten me.

    • To Kyo permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      You said:
      “I say shame on you if you support the belief that the only people who deserve a formal education are those who have money in the bank to pay for it! ”

      I say shame on you for making productive people pay for that…..It is slavery….

      • kyo permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        so your definition of ‘productive people’ is those who could already afford to pay tuition and were fortunate enough to be employed by a company that offers a high enough wage for them to do so? so the productive are basically the ones who started life comfortably and therefore did not struggle as much as some do to acquire an education that offered them better opportunities in the job market?

      • To Kyo permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        People who earned money and VOLUNTARY CHOSE to let their sons and daughters be educated is acceptable, in a Free Society….

        It basically their right to LIBERTY, the right to make decisions based on their own rational judgment……

        And it’s up to those sons and daughters to work hard to maintain their inherited wealth…..Maintaining your inherited wealth requires productiveness on their part……

        and also Productive people are those men who chose to live without enslaving others….who chose to choose their careers based on the purposeful use of one’s mind

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        @To Kyo: Try mo kaya i-trace kung sino gumawa ng yaman mo. Ang kitid kasi ng pananaw mo. Hindi mo makita more than 2 paces ahead of you. Collectively, mas malaki ang binabayad ng lahat ng mahirap kesa sa lahat ng mayaman. Pinapatong n’yo kasi sa amin lahat ng buwis ng negosyo niyo. Tinitipid at inaabuso ang poor, overflowing, jobless but able labor force. Bago mo iladlad ang yaman mo, isipin mo sa’n muna nanggaling lahat ng ‘yan. Walang perang lumalabas ng bigla na lang sa desk. Pinagpapawisan ‘yun kung di mo, eh, nang iba.

        You are enslaving others.

        Nagbabayad ka ba ng buwis? OK lang ba sa’yo na malaking parte nu’n, pumupunta sa bulsa ng nasa kapangyarihan? Significantly malaking parte din nun pumupunta sa goons nila? Kinakaltasan every year ang edukasyon ng ibang more productive, more able, more deserving poor?

        You have the right to choose your children’s school. But that has nothing to do with keeping others from their school.

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      Try researching and computing all the taxes that is being paid by rich people….
      Compare it with poor people…..

      • bcb permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        yes, pag na-compute po, malaki nga naman talaga. pero binabayaran po ba nang tama?

        =)

      • unlike you permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        ang bobo mo kyo… hahahahahahaha!

  25. cabhill family permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    BS P.E? hahaha. clap.clap. to that. three snaps for you memew!

    since pagod na kaming paliwanagan ka at wala naman kaming mahihita sa’yo (kabanas ung itsura mo eh)… eto na lang.

    sabi ng isa ko pang friend na taga UP MANILA:

    “Apparently this guy failed to distinguish “right” from “luxury”. lol yes the way he writes makes him appear knowledgeable, but the way he reacts to such things make him more of a douche and devotee of ignorance. Is critical thinking expensive nowadays? O_O”

    sagot namin:
    mahal na nga cguro ang magisip ng TAMA. eh kasi swerte siya kasi nabayaran ng MAGULANG niya (na tax payers din tulad ng mga magulang namin) ang pinagaral niya.
    *hikab* antok na kami eh. basta, piece of advice… never again write something like this kung wala kang sapat na kaalaman sa mga pinagsasabi mo.

    ay apo! ukinana marie! hahaha😀
    sana patulugin ka ng mahimbing ng kagimbal-gimbal mong paghamon sa mga estudyante ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas.

    • To Cabhill Family permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      “mahal na nga cguro ang magisip ng TAMA. eh kasi swerte siya kasi nabayaran ng MAGULANG niya (na tax payers din tulad ng mga magulang namin) ang pinagaral niya.”

      Ang mga magulang ay naghihirap hindi para sa ibang tao lang kunid sa anak nila….
      Pag nabawasan na ang kanilang bayarin(mga tax na pinagpapaaral sa ibang tao) eh mas matutuunan nila ng pansin ang kanilang pinakamamahal nilang mga anak….Ito’y kasi sarili rin nilang kasiyahan ang mapagaral ang kanilang anak……(i.e Pursuit of Happiness which is entirely selfish)

      • cabhill family permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        friend number 1

        ” isipin mo nalang, PANGIT siya. hahahahaha :))))))) halata naman na tax payer siya. maybe that’s why he’s ranting so much? hahahaha :)) i didn’t really read his post. its like, HE USES BIG WORDS TO MASK HIS APPARENT STUPIDITY AND PREJUDICE ABOUT THE MATTER. :))) )))”

        friend number 2

        “Aba, critical thinking is a right! Unwritten right, though, as this does not appear in the Constitution. hahahaha This guy needs it so bad to construct more valid arguments and reasonable claims, especially about matters he has little/narrow knowledge of.”

    • memew ako permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      cabhill family:

      tulog na tayo, feeling ko di rin nya maiintindihan ang mga punto de bista nating mga hindi nya katulad.

      at para sayo ginoong may sapi:

      balik ka ng high school. tapos try mo mag-UPCAT

      pag pumasa ka beri good.
      pag hindi ka pumasa, wag ka na magtaka.

      bili ka rin ng Maikling Kurso sa Lipunan at Rebolusyong Pilipino , tutal mukang madami kang pambili bilhan mo na din ang bunch of elite and very theoretical friends mo. pag wala ka pa ring naintindihan, iniimbitahan kita sa UPB, ako mismo magtuturo sayo for FREE. you know why?

      because its your right to be educated.🙂

      • cabhill family permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        isama moko! for free ah.. like, i’ll give him all my time. :)) makatulog na nga!

      • July 25, 2010 3:38

        Too much trash-talking of some people here proves that these UP idiots has nothing to say about the issue. They merely wanted to attack the author and not the idea presented. It means they are nothing but BOBO iskolar ng bayan. Get real! Attack the arguments… Do not embark on ad hominem attack because it only shows your collective idiocy! PEACE!

      • TrashTaker permalink
        April 26, 2014 3:38

        Isa ka pang walang kwenta ka….Pinagmamalaki pa na taga UP Baguio siya!! Hoy wag kang mayabang kasi UP Baguio ka lang! Dalawa lang school sa pilipinas..UP DILIMAN and the others…kung di ka UP Diliman..edi others ka..yabang lang!!

  26. kyo permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    @UP Idiots on the rise!

    — if you read ANYTHING in ANY of our comments you’d see that we have quite a lot to say in our own defense. furthermore, we’d have no reason to attack the author if he weren’t proposing something so insulting and downright stupid. of course we’d take it just a little personally if these are ideas coming from him (the author)! ideas do not bring themselves to life and jump into people’s mouths – or in this case, onto their keyboards.

    YOU haven’t even mastered subject-verb agreement. I’m sorry, who’s the idiot?

    “PEACE!”

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      mali-mali grammar mo… kawawa ka naman…

      • someoneyetnoone permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        maslalo naman yung sayo noh

      • proudtobeUP permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        alam mo, parang frustrated ka lang or rather insecure kasi hindi ka taga-UP eh. or maybe masyadong kulang ka lang sa pansin! do you even know what you are talking about? do you even understand what we’ve been through?! alam mo ba kung paano maging isang Iskolar ng Bayan?

        sabihin mo na kasi na jealous ka lang sa’min. mag-aral ka kaya sa UP. try mo dito sa UPV!
        kung hindi mo pa nage-gets ‘ung mga explanations sa previous comments, nagpapatunay lang yan kung gaano ka ka-bobo.

        wala namang sense ung nira-rant mo eh. at syanga pala, check mo ung grammar mo, nakakahiya eh.

      • kyo permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        ay oh? ang galing galing mo naman!
        and how would you write that paragraph with your perfect grammar? English is my first language and I see nothing wrong grammatically with what I wrote.

      • TrashTaker permalink
        April 26, 2014 3:38

        Hey @proud to be UP…kawawa ka naman UPV ka lang? Tapos pinagmamalaki mo pa yan? Matalino ka na nyan? Kung sa Diliman ka sana maniniwala pa ako sayo…idiot! di ka lang nakapasa sa UP Diliman kaya sa UP Kangkungan este Visayas ka lang napadpad!!

  27. memew ako permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    @UP idiots on the rise

    – i’ll go attack you on ad hominem too.🙂 since im a peaceful person.

    wala na kaming magagawa sa naisulat na, tapos na yun eh, nailathala, naisambulat na sa mundo. ang maari naming gawin ay kumbinsihin ang sumulat na may iba pang perspektibo maliban sa pinaniniwalaan nya, at dahil sarado ang utak nya nilelektyuran namin sya na wag maging tanga gaya mo. at hindi yan basta basta lang. kung naiinsulto ka rin sa mga pinagsasabi namin sa sumulat, pasensya, ang insulto ay karapat-dapt lamang na suklian ng insulto.🙂

    sama ka na rin sa kanya sa pagpuntang UPB at paglelecture ko ng free.🙂 its your right anyway.

    P E A C E

    • July 25, 2010 3:38

      Sayang lang every centavo na ginagastos para sa mga taga-UP na tibak at liberal na bobo. Leftist students don’t have any right to study at UP or any state-funded university. Sila ang magpapabagsak at magiging cause ng mas matinding kahirapan sa pinas once they graduate. Taxpayers should not support their own killers or destroyers.

      • someoneyetnoone permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        Bobo…so bobo na pala yung marunong magisip para sa sarili. Bobo na pala yung naghahanap ng paraan para marinig ng iba ang nais ipahiwatig…ayos
        So sa lagay mong yan matalino ka na? Isang sabi lang ng author ng artikulong ito e oo ka kaagad. ayos. Matalino ka nga. Palakpakan

  28. go f*ck your mother.-eng.hill guy permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    well what do you know,
    sisikat ka na.
    ipopost ka na sa lahat ng freedom wall ng UP systems.
    at itong blog mo.
    they’ll make copies of your blog dickhead.
    and soon everyone will know how narrow-headed your ideas are.
    dumb ass,

    you never really experienced the struggles of the masses did you?

    slavery of the taxpayers???
    do you know what slavery is?
    Oppression of the students, that’s what it is.
    mangilanngilan beses na ring itinaas ang tax ng mga bayarin sa Pilipinas. kung sinasabi mong natatake advantage sa taxpayers ang pagbigay ng mas malaking subsidy sa edukasyon e bakit ang military sobra2 kung ikukumpara. every citizen pay taxes for different needs,taas ng taas,.pero kailan naramdaman ng lahat ng sektor hindi lang mga estudyante ang mga binayad nila?kelan?sabihin mo sa akin,
    6% ang alloted budget for education(which is supposed to be a priority.).ngaun sa taas ng tuition fee namin, pangloloko ang pagsabi na naiibibigay ang porsiyentong ito.

    don’t make excuses that does not even appear to exist.
    are we some idiots for you to think that we do not experiences these finances being compelled for us to pay?

    You sir, are a perfect definition and personification of selfishness.

    • To Hill Guy permalink
      July 25, 2010 3:38

      I will take the liberty to reply in this one

      as I said earlier…in the comments

      “The only proper, legitimate purpose of the government is to protect Individual Rights(which is needed irregardless of the laws in your country you are in)

      Our Individual Rights consists of our Right to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness( I type the word Pursuit in all caps lock to make a point)

      And also as the blog said the Taxpayers are not your slave(irregardless of the corruption there is, indeed that corruption roots from A Government who do much more that
      it’s proper role…, as a saying goes “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”)”

      The military is for the protection of our right to live….(and let’s not forget the fact that our military is outdated because of as Pres. Aquino says “lack of funds”)
      It is a legitimate role for the Government…..

      See, what you said is also my concern…

      “every citizen pay taxes for different needs,taas ng taas,.pero kailan naramdaman ng lahat ng sektor hindi lang mga estudyante ang mga binayad nila?kelan?sabihin mo sa akin,
      6% ang alloted budget for education(which is supposed to be a priority.).ngaun sa taas ng tuition fee namin, pangloloko ang pagsabi na naiibibigay ang porsiyentong ito.”

      I’m for the abolition of income taxes ….Dito kasi doble doble ang taxation…..
      which eventually lead to funding the only legitimate role of a Government….(like I said above)
      If we just privatize schooling and let the market work without intervention….we would eventually lead to a quality education and also low prices because of competition…Economics 101

      • To Hill Guy (Continuation) permalink
        July 25, 2010 3:38

        As Adam Smith(The Father of Modern Economics once said

        “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”
        –Adam SMith

        See this is called Free Trade….

        Every individual has the right to keep the product of his labor…

        and also Selfishness….is best represented by this quote

        “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”–Ayn Rand

      • . . . . . permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        bobo ka po? anung silbi ng hapines ng isang tao kung pangsariling interes mo lang ang iintindihin.. sige. magpakasaya ka magisa.

  29. inocente permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    haba ng sinabi, wala namang laman. tae

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      di na nagsawa magcopy paste ng kung anu anung definition. o ayan. definition. hanap ka din ng definition nyan

      • echoserang bio student permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        buti na lang kamo may wikipedia.. hahaha..aliw

      • LOL permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        WIN

  30. tax payer permalink
    July 25, 2010 3:38

    “Poverty is not merely a creation of mere unluckiness or failure to survive. In most societies, poverty is the by-product of man’s failure to think” , “people’s ignorance and failure to discover the proper morality and the proper social system for man”…
    –> how will an individual acquire such knowledge if in the first place he doesn’t have the economic capacity to do so. Your theory is not even applicable in the context of the Philippine situation. You stereotype UP students as these kinds of people, but maybe it would be really acceptable if you get into UP first. I respect and commend how you have presented your arguments but you better get your facts straight.
    –> nice blog, i see it as a reverse psych. actually you made me feel that I want to fight for my right to education, more than ever.🙂
    –> too bad that you wouldn’t want to use or try on different lenses of perspectives, sige ka mauumay ka niyan.🙂

  31. Anti-public education permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    I’d just like to say that the critics here prove the rank ignorance of the Filipino youth and the success of the leftist establishment in taking over the universities and indoctrinating students.

    With that said, the Philippine government has in a span of five years spent 80 billion pesos on public education yet NOTHING has changed. To all you leftist college students, I just want to ask you. HOW MUCH POWER DOES YOUR SYSTEM NEED FOR IT TO FINALLY WORK?!?

  32. pepe smith permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Your largely individaulist perspective is in itself is a misconception, in the words of robert dahl, man is essentially a social being even if he is not necessarily a political animal. What he means is that even if men like you exist who choose not to be part of the political system, you are inevitably a part of it. Therefore, you can’t separate the concept of self between one person and the rest of society because the concept of self and how it is shaped is largely based on the rest of society. As in your case, your cynicism and apparent lack of concern for other people other than yourself, your brash and irate conduct on how you reply to my comments, your innate stupidity in raising arguments is formed, affected and influenced by the rest of the people who interact with you on a daily basis. There are studies that show that if your home experiences aren’t healthy, there is a big chance that you will turnout to be mentally and emotionally disturbed. We understand that the same case may be with you, but despite the fact that you might be suffering from some form of mental or behavioral problems, it does not warrant for you to aggravate anyone else.

    Your second misconception in your reply is that you’re stupid enough to recognize that you are a part of a society but you fail to recognize what being part of a society entails. You say you are against collectivism and yet you recognize a society of filipinos, just that some are more ‘capable’ than others. But that cannot be the case, man, being a social being, chooses to live with others of their kind. If these communities form a government, define a territory and establish a set of rules they abide by, then they create the state and they define their society. But to be part of this society, you have to be part with all aspects of society, it is not a matter of choice. A recognition of this society is an acceptance of the problems of this society. Yes, you can separate society based on class, on social stature, etc; but you cannot separate responsibility amongst them, all have equal responsibility, its just that some are more capable of accomplishing their responsibility. Further, you argue the case of the middle class, those who pay taxes dutifully, not necessarily because they are exemplary models of society, but because they don’t have the choice to do otherwise. If you are gonna criticize the students of SUC’s for allegedly wanting to ‘make tax payers slaves’, then why don’t you also criticize the large multinational companies, local companies and the elites who make tax evasion a sport? They themselves, to some extent, benefit from tax payers pesos, but they themselves don’t pay taxes (or pay a lot less that what they are supposed to).

    I suggest you read more before you make such fallacious posts. Kulang ka pa sa aral, because your arguments, in my opinion, can be easily trumped by any second year polsci major. And my last word of advice is that if you are so hell bent on being an ‘individual’, not wanting to carry the burden of being part of a society, then by all means don’t be part of it.

    • Anti-public indoctrination permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      To all the leftists here, do you ever ask yourselves maybe your beliefs are wrong? That expanding government bureaucracy just MAY BE THE PROBLEM instead of the solution to social problems? Students of UP don’t realize it because they get quality education, but that quality comes DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF UP education being government-run. If you look at the other 90% of public schools they are all a mess! There must be a reason why government run systems are so wasteful and corrupt. And the reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.

      And may I remind you that governments have killed 200 million people in the 20th century alone, the century of DEMOCRATIC government. I also would like to remind you that those 200 million were killed at the ALTAR OF THE COMMON GOOD. There is something called the TYRANNY OF GOOD INTENTIONS, read up on it!

      http://mises.org/daily/2739

      • pepe smith permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        To answer your question, yes we do, we accept contradiction rather than do away with it. It is through contradiction that we are able to define our set of beliefs rather than to just accept the shit that those powerful in society shoves down our throats. You’re talking about expanding bureaucracy in the Philippines? Since when? For the past few decades, there have been expansive moves towards privatization. Most previously owned government companies which were used to regulate prices in oil, water, electricity, etc were sold off which now explains the uncontrollable price fluctuations in most basic services. It is true that we receive better education as compared to other public schools (even better than private schools), but that in itself is the case. It is true that 90% of public schools they are all a mess, that is why we are asking for higher state subsidy, for accessible education for ALL. It is this very truth, that we have horrible public education, that we ask for fair funding from our government.

        You state that:

        ‘The reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.’

        This is the problem itself, the government is profit oriented, not for the country but for themselves, they benefit from public office. Government is the largest spender in any economy, and politicians protect their businesses and the businesses of their cohorts and masters through the positions they hold. Otherwise, they would not bother running for office. Further, these are not arbitrary whims, these are structured manipulations of a stagnant economy to benefit the powerful minority.

        And lastly, you have to qualify what you mean by the common good? The whole bit is stupid to say the least because it has nothing to do with the issue, It is exactly my point that the government is corrupt, to point it out only supports my argument more. Government acts to serve the powerful minority and to satisfy their needs, they do this under the guise of the common good, this is a basic tactical move for any political elite. Further, assuming that your argument is valid, how does providing food for everyone, or providing fair access to medicine and education lead to the death of multitudes of people? Do people have to die for everyone to be able to have a good quality of life?

  33. Admin permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    The credibility of this blog is out of this world.
    Never read from the works of this author again.

  34. July 26, 2010 3:38

    Great job, Vincent. Congratulations!

    In a socialist and welfarist society: Education is a right. Health is a right. Housing ia a right. Peace and order is a right. Agricultural credit is a right. Pension is a right. Good-paying job is a right. Unemployment benefit is a right.

    Everything is a right, from the state. Personal and parental responsibility has no role. Everything is government responsibility.

    Friedrich Hayek said: “People who are afraid of responsibility are afraid of freedom itself.”

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Thanks for such a wonderful comment, Sir.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Tange para namang makaka-exist ang government kung walang people. Pinasa lang yung care. It’s the people responsibility to sustain the government that does them service. Eh di, ultimately, responsibility din ng pipol ‘yun. Nilagyan lang ng system para mas madali.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Hindi naman syempre lahat, government ang humahawak. Depende ‘yun. Mas efficient lang talaga na may injection from the government sa sitwasyin ng isang developing country.

        Isa pa, ang pinagsisigawan ng mga isko ay ibalik ang nararapat.

        @gov: We paid for it. We agreed that you’ll take care of it for us but you didn’t keep your side of the bargain. Nilansi mo lahat. Now everybody’s reprimanding you to do what’s right and proper.

        Ganun kasimple ‘yun. Where the hell did you get the idea na dadagdagan ang buwis? Tanga ka ba o tanga ka lang talaga?

  35. UPian permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    UPians are not telling that they want a FREE education. THEY wanted to JUNK TOFI.
    What premier STATE university just gives a 300% increase in tuition(from 3-4k to 12-13k)? Is that what you call a public and subsidized university?? UP is not a private school. But the fact is, UP even has higher per unit tuition than the other university in Baguio, ex. SLU. Also. Why would UP have to give students PE fee, & VARSITY FEE? when in fact not all are varsity players. AND LAB FEE of 500 pesos??? They are even planning to give Lab fee to the FA (Fine Arts) students when they don’t even use any lab material.

    PLEASE: do not compare education with wants. Education is not a ‘LUHO’.

    • nakikiraan.lang permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      clarification lng..JUNKING ToFI is one of our calls..pero ung main talag natin ay FIGHT FOR GREATER STATE SUBSIDY at ang pagsusulong nga isang NATIONALIST, SCIENTIFIC at MASS-ORIENTED NA EDUCATION..🙂

  36. July 26, 2010 3:38

    “I used the word ‘agreed’ since student consultation is required by the government through the CHED before any tertiary school is permitted to increase its tuition rate. ”

    FYI Kuya, UP is not under CHED. With regards to the 300 percent tuition and other fee increase in UP, no consultation or even a dialogue with the students was ever made.

    You are not form UP that I am sure of. With the way you speak, it’s blatant that you are an outsider. But let me tell you this, considering the fact that your blog says “HONESTY. OBJECTIVITY. INTEGRITY,” I assumed that you are at least living up to your standards but I guess you’re not. The objectivity part here, you see, is quite questionable. When you say your OBJECTIVE then that means you are to be impartial. But the irony of it is that in this blog entry you have just been so biased. Are you even talking about education or the UP community?

    Do you know the emic approach? You might as well have used this one while you were trying to present your ideas. Maybe in this way, the UP people would have never lambasted you.

    You know what made this blog such a sensation? It is you (the writer of this blog) failing to look at where the UP students are coming from. UP students don’t just go out the streets to rant about nothing. If we don’t stand up to fight against the government’s wrong allocation of budget, then who else will? Would you do it for us? I guess you wouldn’t ‘coz you are just a whiner. “Empty cans are noisy” that’s what my Chem teacher used to say. I guess you are one.

  37. July 26, 2010 3:38

    My advice, don’t go walking near any of the UP campuses. We don’t like people who are very assuming– pretending they know everything. POSER! We are not bad guys here remember that. It’s the people like you that make us look like one.

    • someoneyetnoone permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      at the very least, 2 schools na ang dapat niyang iwasan. Alin kaya ang isusunod ng ungas na to?

  38. nolimebeso permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Two Thumbs up for Concerned Citizen.🙂

  39. UPian permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    agree with concerned citizen😀

  40. lola basyang permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    O RLY?

  41. happy guy permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to the guy who wrote this blog.. FU man… you know what.. you’re the communist… EDUCATION IS A RIGHT .. hell.. i didn’t attend the walkout…but i know the TOFI IS A PAIN IN ASS… UP IS A STATE UNIVERSITY….. WHICH MEANS IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND OF THE PEOPLE… get a life man…

  42. BatangSawi permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Alam kong may freedom rin ang bawat isa sa atin na maglabas ng hinaing tungkol sa mga bagay sa paligid natin, pero sana minsan, pag-aralan muna natin ang mga isinusulat natin. Sana rin mamulat ka dre, kung sino ka man. Maraming pag-aaral pa ang kinakailangan mo. Padayon!

  43. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    im speaking for myself and what i witnessed nung estudyante pa lang ako sa pup, bakit protesta ng protesta ang mga aktibista? panahon pa lang ng mga tatay at nanay natin o nagaaral pa lang si satur, nagproprotesta na.. may nangyayari ba? kung meron, malamang hindi na nagproprotesta ang mga aktibista ngayon pero hindi, so hula ko.. ganun pa din, if not.. mas malala kesa dati.. (or pwede din namang may nangyayari kaya protesta pa rin ang paraan nila, ok lang akong mabara at mapatunayang mali).

    kasi kung ako at ako lang naman (uulitin ko, nagsasalita ako para sa sarili ko) kung ilang dekada na na hindi or walang masyadong nababago dahil sa protesta, hindi ba oras na siguro para palitan ang approach natin sa mga usaping kagaya nyan? realidad naman eh, kupal ang gobyerno at asa pa tayong magbago ang sistema (my point of view and mine alone). heres my take on this, bakit instead na magprotesta ng magprotesta, bakit hindi tayo magsumikap on our own? ganito, sa 5 taon na pagaaral ko sa pup, siguro, siguro.. 10 sa 100 aktibista sa pup lang ang nageexcel sa klase, mas marami ung puro bagsak at drop, mas marami pa ung piniling tumambay sa hq nila or gumawa ng banner o magready sa rally kesa magaral sa exam, gumawa ng assignment. maraming beses, hindi lang isa or dalawa, maraming beses ko ng nawitness na mga kalase kong aktibista ang kating kati na lumabas at sumama sa rally kesa tapusin ang exam, lalabas sa kalagitnaan ng klase dahil may pagpupulong or may protestang magaganap, or ayun nga, puro absent hanggang sa madrop dahil mas pinili na mgarally kesa magaral.

    lahat ng to naman, pananaw ko lang at pagtataka kung bakit ganun.. ang sakin kasi, ok lang magrally, pero para piliin ang rally kesa sa magexam, pumasok at magsikap sa klase or magpart time job para magkabaon or pangtuition, may mali ata dun..🙂 ok lang akong mabara pero uulitin ko pa rin, ang lahat ng to ay akin at aking pagtataka at pagkukuro kuro lang, wala akong galit kanino man🙂 \m/

    • Anti-public indoctrination permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Tama. Walang nangyayari sa mga aktibista. Hindi uunlad ang kanilang buhay. Naghihintay lang kasi sila na mabigyan ng ninakaw na pera sa pamahalaan. Ayaw nilang magsikap. Socialista kasi!

      “Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance” – H.L. Mencken

      “Socialism is a sick joke, a comedy” – Anonymous

      “Democracy is the surest way to communism” – I think it was Marx or Lenin

      • memew ako permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        wa;a bang FILIPINO PERSPECTIVE dito ?? tangena, puro kayo Marx, Smith, Philosophers na mula sa ibang bansa. walang perspektibo ng pagka-Pilipino.. OO, yana ng pinagaaralan din sa UP mga kanluranin na perspektibo but eventually, nagkakaroon kami ng sarili naming PAG-IISIP. na kaya kami LUMALABAN ay dahil may KAALAMAN kami tungkol sa PINAGLALABAN namin.

        babbling about theories and quotes and whatever stuff from philosophers who are really great wont make you sound genius. pinapahiya nyo lang sila.

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      I have nothing against you. But the thing is, unless you are a part of the community being struck by accusations, you’ll never know how it feels like. I don’t like rallying, but what they’re (activists) fighting for is not just for the UP community but also for the rest of the State universities and public schools including PUP. We silently support the activists because we believe that there’s got to be somebody else who has to raise a voice for us, who, prefer to sit on their classrooms than walk the streets.

      Being an activist doesn’t mean that you are a leftist already. Those who think that activists are leftists for sure have a misconstrued notion of what an activist really means. And it doesn’t mean that activists flunk their subjects. I can tell you that a lot of activists are way wittier than I am or you are.

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        My answer to you and to others who have the same opinion:

        “The price of a “free” public education is freedom. The collectivist (Nazi, communist, socialist) notion that there is such a thing as a “free” education is a monstrous myth — anything of value must be paid for. The state per say produces nothing, all state funds are forcibly taken from others through taxes, etc. When one recommends the “state funding of education to preserve freedom“, one is asking that the freedom of one’s fellow citizens be abridged, that their wealth be looted by public officials, all for the alleged purpose of protecting freedom. This is a contradiction in terms: freedom of action under a system of rights, is never preserved by the violation of those rights. That is, no matter how good the alleged ends, evil means are never justified.”

        LINK — https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/freedom-in-education-versus-right-to-education/

  44. Ryan permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    I am a taxpayer. I pay a huuuuuuuuge amount of tax every month because of the size of my salary. However, I am more than happy to part with my earnings kung nakikita ko lang na most of it goes to improve school lives of the next generation. I will, then, not feel like a slave when I pay my taxes.

    • I want Ice Cream permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      true!!!!

    • pepe smith permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      that is beacuse of the fact that you recognize that you are part of the Filipino society and that you have a role to do to make things better for everyone else, and not only to yourself. Kudos!😀

  45. Hooorah to this! permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    One objective of “Walkout 2010” has been affirmed in this blog …

    “to push discourse to the society regarding education.”

    Good Job!

  46. Perspektibong Isko permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to the writer of this !@#$%^&*() blog:

    wala kang karapatang magsalita o magkomento mula sa perspektibo ng isang ignorateng katulad mo.

    @ admin:
    “Never read from the works of this author again.” — we should. para malaman natin kung gano kagaling (insert sarcasm here) ang mga taong kumokondena sa pinaglalaban ng mga iskolar ng bayan.🙂 Tignan natin kung makapaglakad yan sa mga campus ng UP.

    PS: WALANG BAYAD MAG-ISIP. LIBRE YUN. :>

  47. ako permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    this is intellectual masturbation. a pseudo-intellectual write up which intends to prove he knows more than anybody else but actually do not. that’s the problem when someone wants to show off – quote people here and there. post what he read from god-knows-where without actually thinking or analyzing things.

    if you’re simply basing your opinions with the premise that: “others pay for their education hence UPians should not ask for other people to pay for their education”, then your premise is wrong. because in the first place, in a justified society, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN EDUCATION – which is to say, it is wrong for anyone to be poor, to not have money to pay for their education.

    there should be equality. and with your premise, you do not seem to recognize this concept, this principle.

    so how does UPians or any other iskolar ng bayan be able to have their education and get at least a part of this “equality”? that is for the state (from the people’s taxes) to provide them with subsidized education (and they should actually be giving more subsidy since the current education subsidy isn’t enough to send all those out-of-school youths). that is one of the solutions. because if they do not do that, then, they will commit a greater blunder

  48. ako permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    not only the blunder of social injustice that the rich impose upon the poor, but the greater blunder of tolerating social injustice when in fact, there are immediate solutions that can be done – SUBSIDIZED EDUCATION is one of these.

  49. upian din ako permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    “A right to life, a right to choose; a right to vote, to work, to strike; a right to one phone call, to dissolve parliament, to operate a forklift, to asylum, to equal treatment before the law, to feel proud of what one has done; a right to exist, to sentence an offender to death, to launch a nuclear first strike, to carry a concealed weapon, to a distinct genetic identity; a right to believe one’s own eyes, to pronounce the couple husband and wife, to be left alone, to go to hell in one’s own way.” -reference kuya?

    Well done, explaining the concept of right in a not-so-politically-correct way. A right to life- we have that. A right to choose- election says it so. We also have the right to choose what we should believe in. You have you own ideas about this matter, the UP students have their own choice of ideas. SHOW RESPECT TO THIS IDEAS… Concomitant to this, like what you have just mentioned, we have the right to believe one’s own eyes. They see that this is a problem-let them solve it the way they think it should be.

    You mentioned categories of rights, but these are all individual rights. The “rights” that we have in the constitution are the “rights” that the people can have over the government. You should have realized that these are two different things. You question the 1987 Constitution saying that the interpretation of the concept of right is a surreal one. In this regard, I allude that you question the government and not the people who are practicing their right to express their sentiments. It is not a matter of coercion, since what they are doing may simple be a matter of expression- expressing their sentiments with the current government. I also do not agree with the way they are expressing the sentiments or with what they are asking, neither do I agree with your ideas. You are questioning the concept of right, but you have to understand that this is also a relative term. Question the law, the government’s interpretation of rights- I believe that would be better. Moreover, they are not asking for a “FREE”.

    Lastly, please change the link title. UP STUDENTS ARE NOT STUPID!!!! thank you..

  50. memew ako permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    malakas ang pakiramdam kong isa kang frustrated UPCAT taker of some sort, Mr. Blog-maker.

  51. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    lahat ng sobra masama at nakaksakit. sobrang dasal, sobrang pera, sobrang nakaw at pati sobrang pakikipaglaban at pagproprotesta. hindi ko maintindihan sa mga aktibista, oo napaka ideal at tama ng ipinaglalaban nyo, kudos dun! pero para sa nasksihan ko sa pagaaral ko sa state-u, mas maraming aktibista ang overstaying sa university dahil puro bagsak dahil puro absent, cutting classes dahil meron silang ipinaglalaban sa kalye at sa pagproprotesta.. asan ang tama dun? kung sasabihin nyong oo, sakripisyo ng sariling pagaaral para sa nakararami.. tatawa nlng ako at aapiran ka. hindi ko kasi makuha ang logic na mapapabayaan ang pagaaral ko dahil sa sobrang pakikibaka at pagrarally at paghahayag ng mga nararapat, hindi mali ang maghayag ng kung ano ang tama, ang mali ay pagnasosobrahan, at sa pagaaral ko ng 5 taon sa pup, sa karamihan ng aktibista na kilala ko.. ganyan ang nangyayari sa kanila🙂

    • pepe smith permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      this is a hasty generalization, I am an activist but I am a constant College Scholar. Last year’s Magna Cum Laude in our unit was the chairperson of LFS. There are a ton of academic achievers amongst the ranks of activists but people tend to cherry pick those they would use as models built upon prejudices and stereotypes.

  52. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    at oo, alam ko.. off topic ako😀

    • proudtobeUP permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      off topic ka nga!

  53. you filthy hypocrite permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    The not-so-new arguments of this pathetic blog, re-stating that education is a privilege & not a right, has been trash-talked over & over again by nonsensical intellectuals just as himself – one who has never experienced the pangs of poverty. The arguments are idealistic, selfish, oh and yes – stupid. He attacked UPians & Leftists alike without any forethought of what his fate would be had he chosen to. But I would personally like to congratulate you, the author, of this one-sided blog. You’ve just earned the title of the “world’s greatest prat.”

    We will do you a favor by re-posting your “wonderful” blog on the walls of UP Baguio itself. News about your blog has traveled wide in Facebook & I think you would just be pleased to find that hundreds of people find it very, very amusing to hate. Some would choose to ignore & laugh about it because idiocy is just incurable & intellectual elitism, pathetic. Some have scrutinized it to its pathetic little idiotic arguments. However self-satisfying your arguments are about Philippine education – about it being – “not a right,” it cannot change the fact that even you are living in a country that has problems of neo-colonialism – or for a better term, imperialism – & its brothers, feudalism & bureaucratic capitalism. Your arguments can only stand in a non-existing place where all people are rich & can buy even education. You cannot buy education. I’m sure you have paid for yours & I think it has done you no good, otherwise it would have put some sense into that thick skull of yours. & no, my dear, education in UP is not free. It is subsidized by taxpayers such as yourself & myself. Such a percentage of the taxes are used to subsidize the education of UPians, especially for those who have extreme financial constraints. Mobilizations such as the WALK-OUT at UP Baguio, which you have been brave enough to mention in your blog, are a means to return to the people the rightful obligation as their scholar – to fight for national patrimony and sovereignty, so that in the long-run, these “taxpayers” you’re referring to will live a better & more comfortable life without the dictate of modern-day colonialists.

    Marami kang sinulat, pero walang naging malapit sa katotohanan. Mahaba ang argument pero walang kinahinatnan. Walang matutulungan. If it’s a debate you want, then you’ll sure get it. Let’s take this out in the streets. You need to wake up from your idealisms.

    Education is a right. It is not a privilege. Everyone has a right to accessible, mass-oriented & democratic type of education. & maybe next time, you would have something more sensible than this to intellectually masterbate about.

    I pity you.

    • anti-public indoctrination permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Kudos to Froilan for having the balls to stand up to the leftist establishment! This blog is the most sensational pronunciation of “I” in the Philippines and the most emphatic showing of a middle finger to the hopelessly indoctrinated and economically ignorant leftist Filipino youth and university (pseudo)intellectuals.

      This comments thread is long, and full of ad hominem attacks by the leftists. It only proves once again that they have no argument against the stance of “honesty, objectivity, integrity”.

      • haha permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        True….

      • pepe smith permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        you’re so full of shit, it’s starting to leak into your brain. You talk about the indoctrinated youth when you yourself are a part of it. You are indoctrinated to fight against people who offer alternatives and contradiction. You follow your dogma of capitalist perspectives and join the ranks of elitists who deem themselves better by birth right. We are well-versed in concepts relating to economy, we just don’t believe that you concept is the right one.

  54. yeah right permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Magaling ka ngang magsulat, kaso puro mali naman ang laman.

    Base sa mga pinagsasabi mo sa blog entry na ‘to eh, inaakala mo ba sa aming mga taga-UP na walang kaming paki-alam sa mga mamayang nagbabayad ng buwis para magpag-aral kami? Ganun ba ha?! FYI kuya, kaya nga kami lumalabas sa aming mga classroom upang ipagsigawan ang karapatan ng bawat mamayang makapag-aral. Ay oo nga pala, di ka pala naniwalang karapatan ang edukasyon. Sige na sabihin na nga nating hindi siya karapatan. Pero wala ka bang pakialam dun sa mga batang nangangarap ng mas magandang buhay para sa kanya at sa kanyang pamilya pero kahit magkanda kubakuba siya o ang mga magulang n’ya ay di pa rin niya maafford ang magandang edukasyon. Ipagkakait mo ba sa kanyang mapabuti at mapa-unlad ang buhay nya. Mukhang di mo kasi naranasang maghirap, magutom at mamrublema kung makakapag-aral ka bas a susunod na semestre. Marahil isasagot mo sa akin na marami naming scholarships sa mga private universities, eh ang tanong sasasapat ba yun sa lahat?

    Naawa ako sa’yo Kuya. Mas matalino ka nga sa akin, pero di mo kasi nakikita yung katotohanan. Try mo kayang for once lang eh, iwan mo yang marangyang pamumuhay mo at pagmasdan mo yung paligid mo at alamin mo yung mga issues na bumabagabag sa mga ating lipunan.

    Dalaw ka minsan samin sa UPB. Marami kaming ipapaintindi sa’yo, ha?.

  55. pula permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to the writer:
    a friend shared a link of this on fb, and the title was successful in catching the attention of state u students thirsting for a more accessible quality education. but it didn’t take me five fucking minutes before rushing to the comment box.

    intro pa lang kasi, definition of rights, of oblation, of slavery, etc. halatang unreliable ka na.so nawalan ako ng ganang magbasa.hindi mo masyadong kabisado ang isyung ginagalaw mo.looks like you need to do some research and update this. from history to current events, pati statistics at constitution (which i guess you already did dahil paulit-ulit na nilang pinamukha sayo sa comments).pwede nating sabihing hindi rin ako reliable critic dahil nga di ko tinapos basahin ang entry mo.hayaan mo na, karapatan ko naman yun.

    ikaw, karapatan mo rin na magpost ng basura sa blog mo.hahayaan din kita.

    ngunit ang gobyerno, may karapatan din bang nakawin ang buwis ng mamamayan na dapat ay laan para sa mga iskolar ng bayan? hahayaan lang din ba natin yun?

    look at the comparison…siguro ang sasabihin mo palpak ang analogy.ibang bagay yung huli, etc. pero pinapantayan ko lang din kasi analogy mo tungkol sa right for education at right for luxuries.naisip ko lang, kung pakikitirin ko nang konti ang utak ko hanggang sa magpantay tayo eh baka magkaintindihan din tayo.

    but my love, even though i see and understand your point, i just can’t agree.kaya ko ngang pantayan kabobohan mo pero hindi ang apathy mo.

    perhaps you do not find it just that the tax you are paying goes to those seemingly ungrateful students protesting and causing traffics on the streets… so would you have preferred that your money goes to those military bullshits or to the goddamn pockets of our corrupt government officials??

    just a tip: if ever you find another one of those annoying demos, protests or such shits by UP students, try to take off you earphones and listen to those idiots. not necessarily join them.but just listen.then you’ll realize that they are against slavery and that they are not asking for FREE education.

  56. Ecostrife flores permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    You’re so stUpid… Kung mkasarili ang UP students, ano ka??san mo gust0ng mapunta ung mga pera ng taxpayers?s bulsa ng politicians? Kaya ngbAbAYad ang taxpayerS para s welfare ng phiLippines and that welfare lies oN the hands of the youths…UNG mga ngaARAl…bk8,s tingIn mo b pg ang susun0d n henerasyoN hndi nkapgaral may mangyayari?…ndi namin hiniHiling n ibgay lahat ng kaBan Ng BAYAN S EdukaxoN…Hiling namin maibgay ng tama s ibAt IbANg dEpartamento ang pera ng mga tao para mkita nila ang mga pngbAbyARAN NLAH…tpos, “eDucAtioN is nOt a riGht”? That’s the dumbest idEa i’ve read! ReFlect oN ur blog my friend,.

    • Tired of stupid UP reds permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      JEJEMON FROM UP? What???!!! Pathetic!

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Hindi ako maka-JEJEMON pero pakinggan mo nga sarili mo. Hindi mo man lang naintindihan yung message. Pagkakita mo ng Caps in the wrong places, you pass your judgment readily. Para na ring sinabi mong bobo ang mga Bisaya, Ilonggo, Ilokano, atbp. dahil hindi pareho ang katagang ginagamit niyo.

        Para mo na ring sinabing bobo ang pilipino dahil hindi tayo nag-e-English sa lahat ng panahon.

        Sa totoo lang. Mali din naman ang punctuations mo. Isa ka ring Pathet. :DD

  57. UP Student permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Inggit ka lang hindi ka pumasa ng UP, kumag.

    • Tired of stupid UP reds permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      @ UP Student.
      Your stupid rant is invalid, bro. Pinapakita mo lang na BOBO ka. Kung taga-UP ka nga, wala ka ngang kwenta and you’re simply showing that you’re nothing but PARASITE! Attack the argument. Puro kayo mura… mga kuwenta! Masyadong kadiri ang mga kabobohan at ka-istupidohan ninyo. Pweh! UP kuno! Wala naman laman ang utak!

      • mgataosacac302 permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Define PARASITE please. One benefits in the expense of another, right?
        At kailan pa kami LANG ang nagbenefit? FYI WE DO PAY TAXES!!!!!!
        And I’m sorry to say that YOU ARE PLAIN STUPID.

        Aren’t we attacking the arguments? If you are just reading the comments you’ll find out how heartfelt and deeply thought those are.

        FYI ulit kuya, we are just deconstructing this IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT that FROILAN VINCENT BERSAMINA.

        Sorry if we are being TOO PERSONAL, in the first place he started all of this CRAP.

    • proudtobeUP permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?

      https://i2.wp.com/www.searchenginepanel.com/wp-content/uploads/banned.gif

  58. CONGRATULATIONS UP! permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    CONGRATULATIONS to all commenters from UP. You have just shown your stupidity!

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      Yeah? and how about you? your “GREATNESS?” Teka, san banda?

    • nakikiraan.lang permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      kung ang pagdedefend sa karapatan ng mga mamamayan ay istupido, ano na lamng ang hindi istupido?..

      para lang yang ganito: kung ang mga rebolusyun ngayon ay isang uri ng terorismo, ibig sabihin, si bonifacio ay isang terorista..

  59. Don't tread on me permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Wow! Leftists are so good at trash-talking. Literally scary.

  60. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    ALL JIBBER JABBER!!

    GUMRADUATE KAYO ON-TIME, PUMASA KAYO SA KLASE AT WAG NYO UNAHIN ANG RALLY SA PAGAARAL NYO NG HINDI MASAYANG ANG PERA NG MGA NAGTRATRABAHO!

    • Ami permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Hoy Francis! Wag kang mag generalize! Hindi lahat ng aktibista iresponsable pagdating sa pag-aaral nila. Marami ang achievers at mga Laude pa. Bago ka mag husga mag imbistiga ka muna.

      Oo nga, may mga aktibistang hindi nakakapagtapos ng pag-aaral pero majority dun hindi dahil sa delinquency. Marami sa kanila nanggaling sa mahirap na pamilya at kahit pa noong 200-300/unit pa lang tuition di na nila kaya. Imaginin mo, nung panahong yun marami na ang hindi nakapag tapos nang dahil sa krisis. Mas na ngayon nang dahil sa TOFI.

      Kaya patuloy ang protesta! Di kasi kami makasarili! Di tulad mo! Ikaw ang puro jibberjabber!!

    • nobody.... permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      bkt?????? d bah pwdng pag sabayin ang dalawa??? marami na ang naka graduate na leftist ah…. cumlaude pa…..

  61. pula permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to tired of UP reds:

    “Inggit ka lang hindi ka pumasa ng UP, kumag.”
    –yung mga ganito naman kasing komento ay hindi naglalayong magtuwid sa mga baluktot na puntong ibinangon ng nagsulat ng blog entry na to.ito yung nakangisi o pabuntong hininga na lamang sinasabi ng mga isko na pagod na o sadyang hindi lang nila naiisip na time worthy ang makipagtalo sa mga katulad mo yamang batid din naman nilang sarado o masyado nang masikip ang isip mo para munawaan ang mga tunay na konsepto ng karapatan at pagiging iskolar ng bayan.

    and if you think that this comment is “stupid and “invalid”, well so is this:
    “JEJEMON FROM UP? What???!!! Pathetic!”

    which is politically incorrect because being a jejemon does not necessarily mean that the isko is stupid.and as you said, “Attack the argument.” may laman ang sinabi nya.bakit ang pinupuna mo ay ang paraan ng pagta-type nya?

    and this,
    “CONGRATULATIONS to all commenters from UP. You have just shown your stupidity!”

    how is this so?eh kina Ecostrife flores at UP student lang ang mga comments na sinagot mo.napakaraming counterarguments ng mga isko sa thread na to.bakit hindi sila ang inaatake mo?oo, dahil alam mo sa sarili mo na tama naman talaga sila.

    lower the ego, my dear, and stop showing off.

    • CONGRATULATIONS UP! permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Well, sa totoo lang, graduate na ako and I’m a self-employed. Ayaw kong mag-aral sa bulok na pamantasan kagaya ng UP. Maayos sana ang UP kung hindi dahil sa mga leftist professors niyo na sumisira sa mga utak ng mga kabataan ngayon. Tama ang sinabi ni Francis, “GUMRADUATE KAYO ON-TIME, PUMASA KAYO SA KLASE AT WAG NYO UNAHIN ANG RALLY SA PAGAARAL NYO NG HINDI MASAYANG ANG PERA NG MGA NAGTRATRABAHO!”

      Wag unahin ang rally. Wag niyong ipagmayabang na taga-UP kayo kasi pabigat kayo sa bayan at mga taxpayers. Wag niyong idahilang ang pag-criticize sa ibang mga estupidong UP students ay hindi pagpasa sa UPCAT. There are some people who don’t want to study at UP.

      Wag kayong PARASITIKO! Mag-aral na lang kayo ng mabuti dahil bawat galaw ninyo sa UP ay malaking bayaran ng mga taong bayan! CAPISCE?!!!

      • GAGO permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        wag mong sabihin na pinapaaral kami ng aong bayan dahil sa totoo lang, sangayon. HINDI

      • CONGRATULATIONS UP! permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        @ GAGO. Your troll name fits you. In fact and in reality, you only pay less than ONE-FOURTH of what you’re supposed to pay! We taxpayers subsidize your education and do not tell me you don’t, you STUPID PARASITICAL INGRATE!

      • Ralph permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        You call UP students as Parasitical…Ingrates?

        WOW.

        It sucks when a lot of people do not think like us. That’s what Rizal has been telling us through Noli and Fili for what, 3 centuries?

        Hanggang ngayon e hindi pa rin bukas ang isip natin. Kung ano ang lipunan noon, ay siyang ganun din ngayon. Mapagsarili tayo, ni hindi natin iniisip kung ano nga ba ang TALAGANG tama.

        From what you said, you’re an apathetic person, unworthy of the name: “Filipino”

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Oo nga. Sa kalagayan ngayon ng UP, HINDI IKAW ANG NAGPAPAARAL SA’MIN. Right now, UPans themselves are supporting UP more than the taxpayers. On an individual basis, sa bawat isang daan na ginagasta mo sa kahit ano, WALA PANG LIMANG PISO ANG NAPUPUNTA SA UP. Ako, at kahit sinong UPan na ngayon maliban sa mga BRACKET E, in addition to the less than P5 that goes to UP for every P100 I spend, e nagbabayad pa ng as much as P20,000 per sem. Kaya kung ang gusto mo e wag nang suportahan ng taxpayers ang UP, CONGRATULATIONS, wish granted… almost 4 years ago in fact.

      • to congratulations up permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        if we–UP students, who just happen to be the most academically successful students in the Philippines–are stupid, then, what in the world are we going to call you?🙂

        “I’m A self-employed”
        –>Sino ang STUPID ngayon?

      • nobody.... permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        to CONGRATULATIONS UP
        —— mayama ka cguro kaya mo nasabi yan… saan ka bah nag graduate???? alam mo bah kng anu ang ping dadaanan ng mga tga UP????

  62. I'm a UP supremacist troll permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    ok, im sorry for all what i have written above. I’

  63. Mr. Big permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    By saying, “The message of these young students is very clear: they’re asking for the enslavement of the productive members of our society for they believe that the state must provide for their educational needs.” Didn’t you think twice?

    FYI, UP is the ground where the great leaders, great people and the most respected people in this country were developed. UP creates citizens who cares about this country and knows the constitution, their rights and what is real FREEDOM. It is a ground where the unfortunate people get the chance of higher education. Not all UP students are stupid, not all UP students are leftists despite our instructors because we have the option to THINK TWICE. An option you forgot before writing this blog post.

    If you don’t give us the right to education, then the Philippines might just well then forget about calling us UP or forget about the services that we give to this country. Forget about everything. We students might as well watch this country fall down to the control of selfish citizens like you. And serve another country like all the others do. Burn the oblation. SAYO NA LAHAT NG PERA SA MUNDO. WAG KA NA MAGBAYAD NG BUWIS MO.

    I believe that people like you make this country a sitting duck to progress.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      FYI, UP is becoming more and more of a threat to this country because of its liberal and leftist professors.

      “FYI, UP is the ground where the great leaders, great people and the most respected people in this country were developed. UP creates citizens who cares about this country and knows the constitution, their rights and what is real FREEDOM.”

      That’s a puerile fantasy. This country was developed by the new business schools that opened before and after World War II. It is these business school from the University Belt area that helped our country recover from war. It is these business schools (despite the fact they they didn’t offer a pure defense of capitalism) that provided human capital and economic backbone to this war-torn country.

      • Mr. Big permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Please read more before you post such comment sir froivinber. Do some research for the sake of your blog.

      • silvertoes permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Not all teachers in UP are leftist.

      • nobody.... permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        mr froivinder……

        leftist professors????????——– bussiness schools????/

        can u state facts???????? and bkt mo nasabi na threat ang UP sa bansa na ito????

  64. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    andaming aktibista sa labas ng batasan sa sona ni noynoy.. hindi ba’t hindi holiday ngayon, wala bang klase ung mga estudyanteng yun? ;-?

    • up student pero di karapatan ang edukasyon permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Simula nung 2008, wala ng pasok bawat lunes. Mula Wednesday, naging Monday ang rest day. Pero sa mga nakaraang taon, kinakansela rin ng UP admin ang klase twing SONA.

    • SALOT NG BAYAN! :)) permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      FRANCIS, WALANG PASOK ANG LAHAT NG UP TWING MONDAY. AT TWING SONA, WALANG PASOK ANG UP DILIMAN AT HALOS ANG IBA PANG MGA KARATIG CAMPUSES. K? ;-D

  65. Ralph permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    If you’re saying that the government has no capacity to subsidize the education of students enrolled in state universities, let me ask you this: how much of the state money is lost due to corruption?

    That’s basically what these people are fighting for. They’re fighting for the subsidy that should be placed in education and other basic services that are lost due to our corrupted officials.

  66. July 26, 2010 3:38

    ang bobo naman ng blog na ‘to! ang bobo nung writer!🙂

  67. SALOT NG BAYAN! :)) permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    HAHAHA GRABE. WALA AKONG MASABI KUNDI ANG KITID NG UTAK MO SIR FROIVINBER and TIRED OF UP REDS *clap clap *😀 UPians are stupid? :)) Eh kung stupid ang mga ISKOLAR NG BAYAN, ANO KA PA? Nako I feel sorry for you😦

  68. ECONoid permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    To Vince,
    You said education is not a right, and the right to education is an invalid concept. How come that the United Nations (UN) and UNESCO recognized the right to education as a human right? Does that mean you have more understanding than them (UN and UNESCO) with regards to human rights, or right, at least?

    • Ralph permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      FTW!

      Let’s go UP!

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      The UN has been hijacked by liberals and international communists. The UN is becoming more of a threat to the sovereignty of its member nations. The UN is now the main propagator of junk science through its invalid defense of global warming. Education is not a human right. It is a commodity. Nobody is depriving you from going to school. That’s part of your right to choose. But you don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs.

      **

      Psychologically, the U.N. has contributed a great deal to the gray swamp of demoralization—of cynicism, bitterness, hopelessness, fear and nameless guilt—which is swallowing the Western world. But the communist world has gained a moral sanction, a stamp of civilized respectability from the Western world—it has gained the West’s assistance in deceiving its victims—it has gained the status and prestige of an equal partner, thus establishing the notion that the difference between human rights and mass slaughter is merely a difference of political opinion.

      The declared goal of the communist countries is the conquest of the world. What they stand to gain from a collaboration with the (relatively) free countries is the latter’s material, financial, scientific, and intellectual resources; the free countries have nothing to gain from the communist countries. Therefore, the only form of common policy or compromise possible between two such parties is the policy of property owners who make piecemeal concessions to an armed thug in exchange for his promise not to rob them.

      The U.N. has delivered a larger part of the globe’s surface and population into the power of Soviet Russia than Russia could ever hope to conquer by armed force. The treatment accorded to Katanga versus the treatment accorded to Hungary, is a sufficient example of U.N. policies. An institution allegedly formed for the purpose of using the united might of the world to stop an aggressor, has become means of using the united might of the world to force the surrender of one helpless country after another into the aggressor’s power.

      Who, but a concrete-bound epistemological savage, could have expected any other results from such an “experiment in collaboration”? What would you expect from a crime-fighting committee whose board of directors included the leading gangsters of the community?

      When an institution reaches the degree of corruption, brazen cynicism and dishonor demonstrated by the U.N. in its shameful history, to discuss it at length is to imply that its members and supporters may possibly be making an innocent error about its nature—which is no longer possible. There is no margin for error about a monstrosity that was created for the alleged purpose of preventing wars by uniting the world against any aggressor, but proceeded to unite it against any victim of aggression. The expulsion of a charter member, the Republic of China —an action forbidden by the U.N.’s own Charter—was a “moment of truth,” a naked display of the United Nations’ soul.

      What was Red China’s qualification for membership in the U.N.? The fact that her government seized power by force, and has maintained it for twenty-two years by terror. What disqualified Nationalist China? The fact that she was a friend of the United States.

      http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/united_nations.html

      • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        The comments on this blog post have proven that the most dangerous threat to this country is the dominance of leftist professors in the state universities, and I would even argue that they are successfully radicalizing political science students in top private universities today. Leftist politics and hysterical pseudo-moralizing are the cancer.

        If UP’s main contribution to the Philippines is socialism then we should outright abolish it. No matter how good engineering graduates in UP are, the good is overwhelmingly surpassed by the damage that socialist ideas create. Smart engineers are worth squat if their services are not geared towards the needs of people, and the only way to know the needs of people is through the price mechanism, not some value-judgment by mentally senile politicians/parasites.

        If that is the case, that UP contributes much more bad to the Philippines than it contributes good, then it should be totally abolished as well as all other tax-funded education

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        I include UP’s philosophy department…

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Sa’ng pamantasan kayo, noy?

        Galing niyo no? If you can’t defeat their argument, brand them and reject them.

        Kaya nga bumabagsak ang gobyerno kasi ginagawang negosyo ng kapitalistang umaastang representante. You make your points based on assumption made by people who may not even have heard of a Philippines.

        Rand?

      • obandopilipinas permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        paranoid ka lang…. haha

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        If Education is a commodity. What type of commodity is it?

        “Nobody is depriving you from going to school. That’s part of your right to choose. But you don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs.”

        Low income, i guess, is something that deprives most people from going to school.

        The constitution itself tells that The Philippines is a democratic and republican state and the sovereignty belongs to the people. A government was established that shall embody ideals and aspirations. I think the people have the right to make their own right, principles aside.

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        @ ECONoid.

        “If Education is a commodity. What type of commodity is it?”

        It’s just the same as health care, water, or any other services that we pay and receive. Yes, it’s true that education is very important, but it doesn’t mean that it has a so special category as against all other services that we receive.

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        the government also is responsible to promote the common good. I don’t think it is wrong to ask the government to subsidize our educational needs. Besides, UP is a government institution. Ganun talaga eh. Well, if your ideology is that it is not right to subsidize UP, then let UP and other state colleges and univ. be privatized. But still, the government is responsible to promote the common good.

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        The government is the most dependent entity on earth. It has to rely on the people before it has something to redistribute. Try to think and start from this premise.

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        @Mike G. Reyes

        haha, i was just trying to break the ice.
        but at some degree, it is a normal good.😄

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        water is a necessity which is a good whose consumption increases an amount smaller than an increase in income. hehe

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        I know that’s all your premise. You all say education is a necessity. But water, food, transportation are all necessity. Might as well subsidize them based on your assumption. What do you think will happen to our country if that’s how we treat things?

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        @vince

        on a second thought, you have a point you that we don’t have the right to ask the government to subsidize or provide you your educational needs..

        bakit kasi “the right to ASK the government…”? haha

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        @ ECONoid.

        I don’t speak in behalf of Froivinber. I’m a Libertarian, he’s an Objectivist, but we have the same approach and understanding when it comes to free-market capitalism. We disagree when it comes to philosophy. In fact, he hates and rejects Libertarianism.

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        @Mike

        I’m not saying subsidize them all, in the first place.
        “What do you think will happen to our country if that’s how we treat things?”
        ans. – looking at the current situation, the country will be submerged to higher fiscal deficit. the problem is government agencies incurred losses at yun ang nagiging burden ng government.

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 30, 2010 3:38

        i see, kaya pala.

      • July 30, 2010 3:38

        That’s why this country needs privatization, and this is what the blogger is talking about in most of his blogs. The government is a big failure. Private firms can do better. That’s why private firms offer a higher amount of salaries than the government. Let the private sector run its own business.

      • ECONoid permalink
        July 31, 2010 3:38

        privatization is good to raise revenue for the fiscal deficit. Although it is non-recurring. Kapag naprivatized ang UP, ang aftermath nun kawawa ang mahihirap.

  69. Basoromyu Kuma permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    wag ka mainis.. wag ka mainggit

  70. feetynum permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Ang tanga mo. ‘Yun lang ang masasabi ko. Gusto mo lang gumawa ng statement para sumikat ka. Pero sumikat ka sa katangahan ng mga sinabi mo. Hindi ko na ginusto pang basahin ang mga sumunod na stanza dahil nakakatanga.

    These students are fighting not only for UP students’ education but for the government to allot more to the education sector at hindi kurakutin ang pera ng taumbayan. Ngano ma’t ang power ng mga Pilipino ay mauwi hindi lang sa bulsa ng iilan pero sa ikauunlad ng bawat Pilipino na direktong proporsyonal sa pag-unlad ng bayan.

  71. May utak ka, gamitin mo. permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Read the constitution first. Ignorance is bliss, and so is your stupidity.

  72. Rhomz permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Rand’s philosophy is trash.

    • Educator of Liberty permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      So, in place of Rand’s philosophy which affirms Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, you want people to embrace Marxism which has long been discredited and debunked?

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        It is not debunk. Have you really read his works?

        At least, Marxism is not a cult. It’s societal involvement. And Marx left his nifty four-squared room to immerse with society before making conclusions. That’s the scientific method. You make a hypothesis, you test it, you conclude. There is always room for improvement of knowledge. This is proven by history over and over again.

        Rand made absolute truths out of whims. She may have good points but she’s a lunatic. I mean, who knows what’s absolute?

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Reading sa UP si Rand. Reading din si Marx. If you haven’t read both, don’t judge any. Don’t Judge lest ye be judged!

  73. July 26, 2010 3:38

    Someone said this: “Kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon? eh ano? para lang sa may pera? ”

    Who said this? I don’t think the blogger said this coz I read his blogs. I’m an avid reader, fyi. What do you mean by “karapatan ang edukasyon?” That the government will provide you your education? If that’s the case, then everybody must be given the opportunity to what you call “right to education.” But where will the government get the money? Ang tingin mo ba sa gobyerno ay isang MAGICIAN ka kayang gumawa ng pera galing sa wala? May pinanggagalingan ang pera at isa dun ang buwis. Ang iba ay utang at paggawa ng perang papel. Don’t you understand this?

    PLUS! Nobody’s depriving you to go to any school. Mayroon kang karapatan na pumili kung ano ang gusto mo. Walang pumipigil sa iyo. Pero WALA KANG KARAPATANG HUMINGI NG PERA SA GOBYERNO PARA SA PAG-AARAL MO! Naiintindihan mo? Ang edukasyon ay isang commodity. Walang pinagkaiba yan sa mga bilihin. Kagaya rin yan sa health care.

    You don’t understand the point of the blogger because you have been long indoctrinated by your liberal and leftist professors.

    • akolangnaman permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Ay thank you. haha. Pero kasi alam mo yung accessible? Hehe. Di po free. Sorry din po kasi Bracket A ako? Sorry din po kasi alam kong may paraan naman para maging accessible ang education natin? Sorry kasi hindi sagot ang privatization para sa akin. Sorry din po kasi gusto ko lang na mas maraming Pilipino ang makapag-aral.

      Hindi ko sinabing magtae ng pera ang gobyerno.. Ayusin lang nila ang pagbbudget. Ayusin ang trabaho.. Ayusin ang sistema. Yun lang. Hindi ako humihingi ng libre.. Madami ako non. Bigyan pa kita. Kapal mo. UP ka?

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Oo nga.

      Wala kang karapatang bawiin ang ninakaw na ng pulitiko. No take-sy Back-sies. Stealers-keepers ang gobyerno mo. Kahit sumumpa sila sa constitution, OK lang ‘yun. May karapatan silang magnakaw. It’s for their personal growth. Wala kang karapatan sa edukasyon kahit na mas corollary yun ng life kesa corruption.

      May karapatan kang mag-aral sa pamantasang hindi mo kayang bayaran. May karapatan kang huminga sa outer space nang walang suit! May karapatan kang… you get the point.

      Ang sarap ng feeling na sa kakarampot kong suweldo kada-buwan, hindi bumababa sa libo ang buwis ko. Ang natira, papatungan pa ng SM, Nawasa, etc. ng daang-pisong buwis nila. They have the right to keep their earnings – kahit tayo ang nagbabayad ng buwis nila. Pinaghirapan nilang i-calculate yun ng buong araw!

      JEJEJE.

    • obandopilipinas permalink
      July 30, 2010 3:38

      Libertarian:

      Someone said this: “Kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon? eh ano? para lang sa may pera? ”

      Who said this? I don’t think the blogger said this coz I read his blogs. I’m an avid reader, fyi.

      >>>>> Avid reader ka pala… kaya mo nasabi na: EDUCATION IS A COMMODITY.
      So kung wala kang pera, wala kang “pambili” ng edukasyon. Eh di tama yung “someone” na yun… kung hindi karapatan ang edukasyon… eh ano? COMMODITY? para lang sa may pera?

      at FYI! Hindi kami pumupila sa DSWD para humingi ng financial assistance pang-tuition. lolz

  74. May utak ka, gamitin mo. permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    @Libertarian

    Read the constitution, not this blog.🙂

    • Ginagamit ko ang utak ko permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Hindi mo ba nababatid na sinasalungat ng may-akda ang nilalaman ng Saligang Batas natin kasama na diyan ang Universal Declaration of Human Rights patungkol sa edukasyon. Sa madaling salita, naniniwala ang may-akda na dapat alisin sa Konstitusyon ang mga probisyong nagsasabi na karapatan ang edukasyon dahil hindi ito nararapat na tawaging karapatan.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      O’nga. Treason yun. Sinong abogado dito? Paki-try nga.🙂

      • Nagphilo 1/11 ka ba? permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        non sequitur

        Isa kang malaking halimbawa ng mga bobo na gumagala sa UP

  75. pula permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to congratulations up:
    capisco.and in case it’s not obvious to you, we UP students studiamo molto.how do you think we passed UPCAT???

    and also by studying our history and law, we have learned that this effin government is not doing its responsibilities to the filipino citizens–filipino students included.

    you call us stupid and all, ngunit yun ay dahil hindi ka lang sanay sa paraan namin ng paggamit ng katalinuhan. sa pagkapit namin ng aming mga natututunan. application. reaction. hindi yung nagmumukmok sa study desk memorizing quotations by some philosophers o ng mga petsa kaya ng mga nakaraang rebolusyon o digmaan. tinitingnan namin kung ano ang pinaglalaban ng mga taong ito.

    isa pang bagay, hindi nag iimpose ang mga profs dito ng dapat at hindi namin dapat paniwalaan. hindi ka nag aaral dito kaya wag kang magmagaling tungkol sa kung anung itinuturo sa amin.

    to froivinber :
    alam mo na iinlove nako sayo eh.seryoso.akalain mong mas matalino ka pa sa lahat ng myembro ng UN at mga gumawa ng constitution? ikaw na talaga.akala ko noon pangarap ka lang.nag eexist pala ang mga ganyan katainong nilalang. i love you.

    • SALOT NG BAYAN! :)) permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      TAMAAA! :))

      • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        Kawawa naman ng mga kritiko ng blog post na ito. Wala kayong arguments, puro lang kayo nagsisilbi sa emosyonal na salita bilang selling points (hindi kasi sila maituturing na arguments). Eh, ganun naman talaga ang mga taong madaling maibenta sa bulok na sistemang tinatawag ng leftists na demokrasya. Hindi ba kayo tinuturuan ng mga leftist professors nyo ng logic?

        Froilan, salamat sa pagsimula nitong uncensored debate na sa ngayong mga panahon, maari na lamang makikita sa internet. Wala nang lively uncensored intellectual debate sa mga universities ngayon dahil sa paglalaganap ng leftism.

        Wala na akong ibang masasabi, panalo si Froilan, without a shadow of a doubt.

      • May utak ka, gamitin mo. permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        @Abolish the University of the Philippines

        Marami ngang arguments, mali-mali at balu-baluktot naman. Okay! Keep it up!

  76. Hyaku_Shiki permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    after looking at the writer’s previous posts,

    nako mga sir at mam. pasttime talaga nitong si mr.bersamina mang good time ng iba’t ibang paaralan. hayaan nyo nalang siya. masyado kasi atang mataas ang kinalalagyan nitong si ser, di na maabot.

    ser, since mukhang napaka bright mo based sa mga nababasa ko eh mukhang qualified ka na gumawa ng sarili mong bansa (at dun ka narin tumira). di kasi grounded sa current realities ng pilipinas ang mga theory mo eh, they are soooo out of this country or world if you may. (though i have to say, theyre good.)

    • Hyaku_Shiki permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      ay crap. INDIVIDUALIST ka nga pala.

      di sayo bagay maging parte ng isang bansa.

      oh well. good day.

    • @Hyaku_Shiki permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      yes……that’s what Individualists are afraid with this collectivism….

      Individuals have no right…they can be easily be disposed off…if the “society” deems it so……
      like uhhmmmmm Nazi Germany or Stalin’s Soviet Union….

      While we Individualists believe all individuals have Rights……and no one…not even God or the “Society” can trample on that….

  77. sanchai permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    palibhasa hindi UP

  78. sanchai permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    tinuruan naman kami.. eh kayo?

    • ... permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      TINATANONG PA BA? :)))

  79. Rhomz permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Who said anything about Marx? I have never been a fan of Rand’s stuff as she’s a real biatch. However, you sir, are an example of a misguided objectivist. They find pleasure in viciously attacking the integrity and character of whomever disagree with their opinions. Why, Ayn Rand herself wasn’t able to properly apply objectivism. She sounded like you, actually, which probably delights you. This is the reason why objectivism is not that popular. Kaya di ako bilib sa mga arguments ng mga followers ni Rand. Usually loud-mouths sila at nagmamagaling.

  80. July 26, 2010 3:38

    What’s so good thing about UP? Liberalism? Protests? Dilapidated classrooms? Leftist professors? Why? What so good thing about your schools, which is now the biggest threat to this country and the freedom of its people?

    • sanchai permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      wow UP ka para malaman mo?

    • Eto lang tanong ko permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      @libertarian, 3 words NATIONALISM, EXCELLENCE, COMPASSION

      if you’ve never seen a up test other than the upcat, then dont ask why.
      UP students undergo a rigorous academic training and still divulge their time to think about their nation, and more importantly, it’s people. We don’t just excel for the sake of excelling, we excel for the sake of the nation. We are not marxists, we believe in democracy, EQUALITY!
      Never have I heard a prof say that you do this and that, despite of that, many join the marches, many believe in the fight, not because we are told to, we choose to because we feel that it is right.
      We are the best from the least. You will never understand unless you’ve seen what is within.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      What’s so good about UP is that it’s non-sectarian and no one can force us, the students, to believe anything. We do not just blindly believe what our “leftist” professors say, or what the government, the church or even the activists say. That is what we mean when we say that we UPans are critical.

    • PogiAko permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      boss mo taga UP

  81. Eto lang tanong ko permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    1. The right to Life
    2. The right to liberty
    3. The right to property
    4. The right of pursuit of happiness.

    Tama po ba?

    Sorry at hamak lang po akong tga-UP na freshie. Inde po ako kasing talino mo. puedi mo bang gamitin ang kaalaman mo sa tanong na ito.

    How can a Filipino who makes less than 5% of a businessman’s income for 10x the work be able to feed his family and himself? the right to life you say?
    Diba kailangan ng pagkain, tubig at pangangalaga sa kalusugan para mabuhay?
    The right to liberty you say? how can he be truly be free if he does not understand what freedom is?
    The right to property? WTF! no comment, fill in the blanks na lang bkit gnun reaction ko.
    The right of the pursuit of happiness? How can a person pursue happiness if he cannot even like without enslaving himself to work, without putting his family before himself, and no matter how hungry he becomes, still not feed himself?
    You envision an ideal society, but that is not the Philippines. That is why the reds take to the streets.

    All you see are banners and all you hear are shouts, you do not acknowledge that these are people. They’ve suffered and struggled to no avail. how dare you look down from your chair and make those suppositions. I challenge you leave your belongings, leave your riches, live amongst the poor, the deprived, feel their warmth, their kindness in light of all the evil.

  82. July 26, 2010 3:38

    Yes, education is not a right. It’s a privilege… especially state-subsidized education, which to my dismay, a lot of my fellow UPans waste. If it’s a right, e di sana wala na lang UPCAT. Kahit sino na lang na may gusto pwede.

    Education in UP is a privilege of UPCAT passers; it’s the privilege of those who work hard to be academically excellent. What UP administrators have done wrong is to let education be the privilege of those passers who can pay the increased tuition. Education in UP is a commodity; it’s just that it should be paid for not by money but by what’s inside your head.

    I still believe though that it’s unfair for those financially able to not help the ailing university (especially when after they graduate, they go work abroad or for multi-national companies). The university cannot depend on the government alone when we all know the government is a pile of shit.

    It’s logical that most UPCAT passers families have deep pockets because the good high school education, or review, that enabled them to pass the UPCAT is generally expensive. Well-off students should aid the university to not only improve equipments and raise employees’ wages, but also to aid financially needy students in return. STFAP should have been the thing that made sure of this, but no, STFAP is fucked up. STFAP is the problem not TOFI.

    • Eto lang tanong ko permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      there is a problem in the system itself, thats what these other people do not understand

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Oo nga. Parang drugs lang. Dependent na kasi sila masyado sa sistema kaya ayan, lahat sila, pati nagsulat ng blog entry na to, pinagtatanggol ang isang bagay na bulok. Kung ganun lang din naman, dapat nga lang na matakot sila sa UP. It’s always easier to fear change in the system than to actually be the cause of it (or at least try to be).

    • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Ang sabi ni Paul : “What’s so good about UP is that it’s non-sectarian and no one can force us, the students, to believe anything. We do not just blindly believe what our “leftist” professors say, or what the government, the church or even the activists say. That is what we mean when we say that we UPans are critical.”

      Sige, tatanungin kita. Anong magkaiba sa mga ideya ng student body nyo? Kahit na hindi lahat sa inyo ay die-hard marxists mga leftists pa rin kayo lahat. You say you are not forced to believe in anything but the parameters of your curriculum particularly in the social sciences have marxist assumptions at its core. If the right questions are not even asked, the right answers do not matter anymore. Oo nga, meron kayong intellectual freedom but its all within the sphere of some predesignated leftist ideology. For example, you might debate about how to bring about change in the country but its always under the implicit assumption that the state should do it. All social problems can be solved by creating a new government bureaucracy is your fundamental belief, one so ingrained that you don’t even talk about it anymore. You ask how can the government provide health care?; you do not ask whether or not the provision of health care is the government’s business at all. Same can be said with concepts of common good, of equality, of social justice, of proletarianism, of democracy. Real intellectual freedom is when you are allowed to argue fundamentals, not technicalities.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        At the risk of you saying I dwell on “technicalities”, I say that your argument commits two fallacies which therefore makes it invalid. Pero sige, I’ll humor myself. IF you substantiate your claims in any manner such as identifying yourself as someone who have had a hand at the creation of the UP curriculum, especially that of the social sciences, or as someone who studied in UP (not necessarily graduated but at least stayed for two years) and that is how you see your professors and how you have been taught, then I won’t even have to answer your initial question, I’ll concede and start questioning my UP education. Maybe you are right and I may just be another brainwashed clog in the leftist machinery.

        OTHERWISE, I have to say to that the ideologies in UP vary too much to enumerate and that last time I checked, I still won’t join the rebels in the mountains, not even the activists, because I believe what they’re doing is a waste of time.

        You must also know that most students in UP Baguio protests are in it for the experience; they are mostly freshmen who just want to check off “Join a rally” in their “What to do when I’m UP” checklist. So take a chill-pill. We UPans may once in our lives be an instrument for leftist agendas but all in all, we mostly end up as happy (or not but is too jaded to do anything about it) capitalism beneficiaries in government agencies, multi-national companies and conglomerates.

  83. freedombeautytruthandlove permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Let me begin by saying something about myself.
    Isa akong mag-aaral at taxpayer at the same time.

    Most of the things written here prove their points and so as the thoughts of those who wrote them.

    Hindi mali na tumayo tayo at ipaglaban ang ating mga karapatan
    FREEDOM diba?
    kaya hindi rin mali na paniwalaan ang gusto nating paniwalaan
    PERO —HINDI TAMA NA SA PAKIKIPAGLABAN NATIN PARA SA IKABUBUTI NG SAMBAYANAN EH ISASABAY NATIN ANG PAGSISIRAAN AT PALITAN NG MAANGHANG NA SALITA.

    Anong pinapatunayan nating mga kabataan sa ganitong klaseng talakayan.
    IISA LAMANG, na lahat tayo ay KELANGAN PA NG MASINSINANG PAGAARAL.
    RESPETO sa isat-isa yun ang kelangan nating matutunan.
    yun din ang magiging ugat ng tunay na malayang sambayanan.

    kaya mga kapatid mag-ingat tayo sa mga salitang binibitawan.
    wag nating tawaging bobo ang isat-isa o tanga.
    kasi satin din babalik lahat yun.

  84. Diego permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Ok, you say that education is not a right. So dapat ang lahat ng schools private. Eh di ang mga mamayaman na lang ang may kakayahan makaaral dahil mahal na ang tuition. Eh di ang mga mahihirap magiging bobo dahil hindi makaaral sa taas ng tuition. The elite will rise to power because they have the knowledge. Tapos sila na ang magdidikta ng bansang ito. Eh di ba hahantung yun sa socialism.

    Wow, lumalabas na you just contradicted yourself. You hate socialism, right? Pero eto ang pinapalabas mo.

    Ang mga nagrarally ay may sense ang pinaglalaban nila. Hindi naman nila sinisigaw na maging libre ang edukasyon. Sinisigaw nila na maging accessible ito sa lahat kahit mahirap.

    Kawawa ka naman, MANHID KA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP. Tapos ONE-SIDED PA.

    You just lost your honor, objectivity, and integrity for being biased and numb.

    Try mo naman magtanong sa mga tanong tinataman mo, sa mga Filipino philosophers, o kaya sa mga ordinaryong Pilipino bago ka magpost para malaman at sana maintindihan mo ang damdamin nila.

    • Diego permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Oops, individualist ka pa of the negative type.

    • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      “The elite will rise to power because they have the knowledge. Tapos sila na ang magdidikta ng bansang ito. Eh di ba hahantung yun sa socialism.”

      Lolz. This is priceless!

      “Ang mga nagrarally ay may sense ang pinaglalaban nila. Hindi naman nila sinisigaw na maging libre ang edukasyon. Sinisigaw nila na maging accessible ito sa lahat kahit mahirap.”

      It’s hard to find ignorance like this anywhere else other than the Philippines😀

      “MANHID KA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP”

      Ewan ko lang kung applicable ito kay Froilan, hindi naman ako Objectivist eh. I just want to say that those who espouse a capitalist ideology, whether Objectivist or not, are not ‘manhid sa mga mahihirap’. It is oftentimes the opposite, they are the most knowledgeable about the plight of the poor and WHY they are poor in the first place. It is the leftists who are horribly ignorant in economics and propose ad hoc solutions to poverty. Further, I notice that leftists claim to love the poor yet never give their own money, they just want to steal from the rich people and redistribute it to the poor. Indeed, this is one of the main reasons I was converted to pure capitalist position. Leftists are hypocrites, individualist capitalism is the only morally consistent social philosophy.

  85. pula permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    to saluk: your point being? ang haba tsong.tinamad ako magbasa.pasensya na, may sinasabay din kasi akong papers.

    to liverspread: what’s so good about UP? well it’s students who try hard to understand–no matter how impossible it may seem–apathetic people like you and help you become more human to the millions of poor citizens of this country.

  86. pepe smith permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    To answer your question, Anti-public indoctrination , yes we do question whether or not our beliefs are true or not. We accept contradiction rather than do away with it. It is through contradiction that we are able to define our set of beliefs rather than to just accept the shit that those powerful in society shoves down our throats. You’re talking about expanding bureaucracy in the Philippines? Since when? For the past few decades, there have been expansive moves towards privatization. Most previously owned government companies which were used to regulate prices in oil, water, electricity, etc were sold off which now explains the uncontrollable price fluctuations in most basic services. It is true that we receive better education as compared to other public schools (even better than private schools), but that in itself is the case. It is true that 90% of public schools they are all a mess, that is why we are asking for higher state subsidy, for accessible education for ALL. It is this very truth, that we have horrible public education, that we ask for fair funding from our government.

    You state that:

    ‘The reason is government systems are not based on PROFIT and LOSS accounting. They are not directed by the PRICE MECHANISM but are directed from above by the arbitrary whims of politicians and bureaucrats.’

    This is the problem itself, the government is profit oriented, not for the country but for themselves, they benefit from public office. Government is the largest spender in any economy, and politicians protect their businesses and the businesses of their cohorts and masters through the positions they hold. Otherwise, they would not bother running for office. Further, these are not arbitrary whims, these are structured manipulations of a stagnant economy to benefit the powerful minority.

    And lastly, you have to qualify what you mean by the common good? The whole bit is stupid to say the least because it has nothing to do with the issue, It is exactly my point that the government is corrupt, to point it out only supports my argument more. Government acts to serve the powerful minority and to satisfy their needs, they do this under the guise of the common good, this is a basic tactical move for any political elite. Further, assuming that your argument is valid, how does providing food for everyone, or providing fair access to medicine and education lead to the death of multitudes of people? Do people have to die for everyone to be able to have a good quality of life?

    • Anti-public indoctrination permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      @Pepe Smith

      What you think is “privatization” is actually cronyism by the government. Maynilad has been ‘privatized’ in the late 1990s yet it has retained the government grant that gives it monopoly power. What the government should do to really privatize is to remove the monopoly grant and divide the equity of the government-controlled firm and distribute it to workers. There has been no real privatization in the Philippines.

      If you think government has retracted then I suggest you look at the Department of Budget and Management website. Government budgets never cease to enlarge. But you might say “Ah, but the problem is corruption and if we remove corruption then services will be properly delivered”. No, what Filipinos tragically fail to understand is that government and ‘corruption’ are inseparable. It is precisely because there is a large bureaucracy that corruption exists. Eliminate the bureaucracy and you eliminate the corruption. Trying to reform government and make it more ‘democratic’ is like chasing a pink unicorn. Also, who said that society needs central management in the first place? You need to stop thinking that government is corrupt so therefore we should change it. Instead, you should think that government is fundamentally corrupt and socially retarding so how can I help in retracting its power.

      Lastly, there is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not moral, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.

      You need to learn economics, and I mean real economics instead of ‘social physics’.

      I strongly recommend this economics and social philosophy reading list:

      http://jim.com/econ/

      The easiest and surest way to understand economics

      http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf

      No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat

      http://jim.com/hayek.htm

      What you need to learn about political economy

      http://mises.org/

      Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage!😀

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/

      Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism

      • PogiAko permalink
        August 1, 2010 3:38

        sources from websites are just unprofessional. >.<

  87. this is bull... your blog is shit! permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR MIND THAT NOT JUST THE TAXPAYERS (WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE ENSLAVED BY THE PUBLIC/STATE Us ‘FASCIST’ REDS) ARE ENSLAVED BY THE VERY SYSTEM THEY ARE WORKING ON? DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR MIND THAT TAXATION IS A MEANS TO GET THE FUNDS THAT THE SOCIETY NEEDS AND NOT WANT? DID IT EVER CROSS YOUR NARROW MIND THAT IT IS NOT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE TO BE BLAMED BY THE ‘ENSLAVEMENT’ OF PEOPLE IN THIS NEVER ENDING CYCLE OF TAXPAYING (YET NO CLEAR RESULTS ARE EXECUTED) BUT THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS IN THE GOVERNMENT?

    CLEARLY, THE ANSWER IS NO. BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO BUSY BEING ABSORBED BY YOUR SELFISH LOOK AT THE PRIVILEGES YOU ARE ENJOYING. CLEARLY, NO. BECAUSE, PROBABLY YOU DON’T SEE THAT CORRUPTION IS A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COUNTRY TO BE DEALT WITH, DISMISSING THAT SINGLE FACT AS A MISNOMER. PROBABLY, NO… BECAUSE YOU SPEAK WITHOUT PROPERLY SCRUTINIZING. AND PROBABLY NO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD DO ANYTHING, EVEN TWEAK FACTS AND FIGURES JUST SO YOU CAN COUNTER THE REDS, JUST FOR THE SOLE REASON THEY ARE LEFTIST.

    CLEARLY, SIR… YOUR STUPORS WON’T WORK. INFILTRATE THE UP COMMUNITY, RECRUIT YOUR HEARTS OUT BUT THE TRUTH REMAINS THAT THIS MISLEADING IDEA CANNOT ERASE THE SINCERITY IN THESE MASS ACTIONS. THE EMPATHY PLACED IN THE HEARTS OF MY BRETHREN UPIANS ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE SCOPE YOUR MIND WILL EVER WANDER.

    PLEASE DON’T PUT YOUR FOOT WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, BECAUSE CLEARLY, YOUR UBERLY LONG SHENANIGAN IS NOTHING BUT A CLUTTER OF WELL-CONSTRUCTED NONSENSE.

    YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A RESULT OF THE MAINSTREAM CULTURE, THOSE WHO THRIVE AT BELIEVING THAT AN EDUCATION – “AN EDGE AMONG THE POOR AND CAN’T AFFORDS” ARE TO BE PLACED NOT WITH THE MASSES, BUT ON THE HIGH PEDESTAL OF GLORY AND HONOR, WELL I GOT NEWS FOR YOU, NOT ALL SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENTS AS YOU AND STARTING IN UPB AS A SPAWNING GROUND FOR PROTEGES OF YOUR MINDSET, WILL DO NOTHING BUT STRENGTHEN THE SOLIDARITY AMONG THE EXISTING LEFTISTS, SYMPATHIZERS AND COMMON PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

    WHOEVER YOU ARE. READ. AND LEARN. THE RIGHT WAY. I DON’T CARE WHO YOU QUOTE AND WHERE YOU QUOTED IT. JUST LEARN. AND RE-LEARN, THEN WRITE AS YOU TALK.

    • Hyaku_Shiki permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      AMEN!

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      *right fist raised*

  88. Ariel Banag permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    You know what, Here’s my take on all of this and I’m from U.P. Well. From a realistic perspective, Dapat sineparate nyo yun Education sa Formal Schooling. Also I find a hint of extreme individualism in the article. I also Read the comments of some people. Saying that Education is not a luxury. Well If …we are true to our meaning of education, it is not a luxury. It can happen anywhere. Well I have alot more to say about this article but here’s one thing that I need to say: We must find a balance. Let’s use our free will to help others. Don’t be so extreme that, “it’s only me, me me (libertarian american capitalist conservative rhetoric). or on the other hand, don’t force people to pay for your stuff.(nanny state, socialist, freeloader crap) if you see the common trend, these extremes are actually based on laziness and selfishness. If we choose to help the collective, it’s because of individual will. and that would be an ideal. just don’t be a freeloader. Be productive, and self-sufficient and charitable and the world may become a better place. But we all need to be educated. dito na ako nag didisagree kay froi. iniisip nya kasi lahat ng tao may pera. how about those without money? If you want froi, ito na lang, gusto mo ba yun student loan system ng U.S? e kasi pang U.S yun mga theories mo. Please try to be more in touch with reality, also to the Leftists, mag-aral muna kayo ng mabuti, para di naman masayang yun pera ng magulang nyo at ng mga taxpayer. ok? kasi kung babagsak lang kayo o mag ddrop, then parang nagkokontribute rin kayo sa problema natin sa “FORMAL” schooling. Education can happen anywhere. Ang kailangan, the Gov’t must promote alternative methods in education, di lang puro classroom. Si Thomas Edison nga college dropout, pero nakaimbento ng maraming bagay. Just putting things in perspective. I’m not a fencesitter. This is a multi dimensional topic. ok? froi and the leftists are out of touch with reality.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Student loan never worked in the US and it will never work here. This study-now-pay-later scheme is dangerous to both the student debtors and the government, most especially the taxpayers. A lot of commenters have been saying “manhid ako” or I don’t know what some or most UP students are going through since I’m not from UP. What they fail to understand is that the current system is what is making us more and more impoverished. It is the policies of the do-gooders, the liberals, and the altruists that are sending us to collective destruction.
      Student loan is a liberal policy in the US and it never worked. I’m an absolutist. What works in one economic setting will work in another economic setting. I believe in absolute truth (epistemological absolutism) and in absolute morality (ethical absolutism). So I disagree with that so ridiculous idea that we cannot absorb or adopt some good things that work in another country because we have different set of traditions, culture, religion, etc.
      I have addressed what will happen to poor people in this blog https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/what-about-the-poor-who-cant-pay-for-their-education/. There are a lot of private scholarship grants. Like one commenter said, if you want to study for free, you must work for it by maintaining a good academic standing. That’s just one of the ways for a student who can’t afford to pay for his tuition to finish college. I know a lot of people who work hard only to finish their studies. They never relied on public subsidies or grants.
      Look at what happened to Gloria’s Safe4SR, a student loan program. Did any student who benefited from the loan pay? No one, I believe. So I don’t think student loan is practical. It won’t work.
      As to poverty, you and most commenters here missed the point. There are a lot of sources of poverty, and some of them are graft and corruption, government mismanagement, etc. But there’s ONE GREAT SOURCE OF POVERTY: the failure of the people to think and their credulity. We have people who ask too many demands from the government. What did their public demands lead this country to? More foreign debts! More taxes! Evat! Inflation! More government regulation of the market.
      Why is it that we have worsening level of poverty in the Philippines? Others say it’s because of corruption, mishandling of government affairs, Filipino professionals leaving the country, etc.
      But in reality, there’s only ONE REASON why we’re poor: BIG GOVERNMENT that disregards free-market capitalism.
      If our government refrained from being too intrusive into the market- if the government maintained a limited role, that is, the protection of individual rights- if the government only guaranteed economic freedom- if the government lowered taxes, cut subsidies, and repealed intrusive market policies- there would be more investments in the country, thus more jobs for all its citizens.
      And, if the government privatized all public schools, colleges, and universities, there would be real competition among private SUCs, which would compel these private players to lower the amount of their tuition fees, to upgrade school facilities, improve research, enhance the quality of instruction, offer more scholarship grants to poor yet deserving students, etc. This is the only way poor people could obtain education.

    • A reader of the books of Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Hello, when lefties speak of the “right to education,” they refer to a state-subsidized formal educational system. They think that people are entitled to such type of learning system. Implicitly, they believe that it is only through such a system will people succeed in life.

      I agree with your point that education can take place outside the classroom. I’m sure that’s what you’ve learned in your Alternative Learning Systems class.

      You may want to check this article. It’s relevant to the points you made.

      Misunderstanding Higher Education by Gary North
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north524.html

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        “…when lefties speak of the “right to education,” they refer to a state-subsidized formal educational system.”

        Yes, and most importantly, they speak of slavery and legalized theft by the government. Yet they don’t see a state of slavery or institutionalized theft when it is done by the government in the name of the poor or of common good. They only see the good ends. This is, in reality, a Machiavellian mentality. For them, the end justifies the means.

  89. phil permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    cgro may tama ang naggwa ng blog na e2 bakt kailangan na idaan sa protesta ng mga UPian ang mga hnanaing nla db mas ok kung mapagusapan ng mabuti…sila nga ang iskolar ng byan pero d ba nla iniisip ang mga oras nanwawala sa gngawa nla imbes na andun sila sa mga classrom nla na nagaaral…mnsan wla na din sila sa ayos e…sayang lng ag pera ng bayan sa pagpparl sa knla kung laging dnadaan sa protesta hnd ba nla inisp na sumashod ang mga prof nla kaht wla sila..magisp din nman kau…kailangan ng bansa ntn magtulongan…

    • Ami permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Manong, di ka taga-UP noh? Ang kitid kasi nang pananaw mo sa protesta ng mga mag-aaral sa UP. Pero ang maganda eh nagtatanong ka… Bakit kelangan idaan sa protesta? Bakit di na lang pag-usapan ka’mo?

      Dahil, di kami pinakikingan ng admin. Dahil ilang beses nang ni-lobby sa admin ang aming mga mga hinaing ngunit sila’y nabubulag-bulagan, nagbibingi-bingihan. Dahil hanggang ngayon wala silang aksyong ginagawa. Dahil mas nakikinig sila sa dikta ng mga kurakot na gov’t officials at hindi sa mga iskolars ng bayan. DAHIL KAILANGAN!!

      Taga-UP kami. May mga prinsipyo’t paninindigan. Alam namin ang aming mga responsibilidad. Isa dun ang pag protekta sa Unibersidad. Ang pag protesta ay isang paraan para labanan ang mga plano ng admin na hindi maka-masa gaya nang pagtaas ng tuition and other fess. Ang pag protesta ang isang paraan upang ipaalam sa taong bayan at sa ibang iskolars ng bayan na may mga isyu at ito’y dapat pag-aral at labanan.

      Nasa ayos kami, mga tulad nyo ang hindi.

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      Hindi nga po siguro kailangan ng protesta. Totoo yun. Pero hindi lang yun kailangan kung yung representative namin ay binibigyan man lang ng pagkakataon magsalita o mag-attend man lang sa meeting ng UP Board of Regents. Student Regent nga po e, so dapat kasama siya dun. Kung hindi pinapayagan makilahok ang tanging representative namin, kaya mo bang magbigay ng ibang paraan para mapakinggan kami?
      Kahit sa mga dialogue at sulat, hindi pinapakinggan. May iba pa bang paraan? Sige lang, magbigay po kayo.:)

  90. July 26, 2010 3:38

    O siya, sa mga nagdedemand na education is a right and should be free, siguraduhin nyo lang na nagko-contribute kayo ng makabuluhang content sa wikiversity.org at iba pang libreng online resources, ha.

    • mentored by Howard Roark permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      It’s clear that these folks do not really understand what EDUCATION is. So sad and disappointing.

    • obandopilipinas permalink
      July 30, 2010 3:38

      *faints*

    • sssssss permalink
      August 1, 2010 3:38

      ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?

      https://i2.wp.com/www.searchenginepanel.com/wp-content/uploads/banned.gif

    • sssssss permalink
      August 1, 2010 3:38

      ADMIN: THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATED HIPPIE IS BANNED. You can argue properly without dropping your manners. Are you even EDUCATED?

      https://i2.wp.com/www.searchenginepanel.com/wp-content/uploads/banned.gif

  91. shinaya permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    @Phil: Siguro po bago ka magbigay ng kumento tungkol sa sinasabi niyong wag idaan sa protesta ang mga hinaing etc., ay dapat na lubusan nyo munang maintindihan ang konteksto na ginagawalaan ng mga mag-aaral ng Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Salungat sa inyong nabanggit, hindi protesta lamang ang aming ginagawa. Mayroon rin kaming mga dialogue sa admin, naglalabas ng statement ang mga organisasyon at naghahain ng mga alternatibong solusyon ukol sa mga bagay-bagay na kailangang bigyang pansin. Huwag mo sana kaming sabihan ng “mag-isip naman kayo”, dahil kaya nga mayroong mga protesta dahil nag-iisip kami. May kapasidad kaming magsuri sa kalagayan ng edukasyon ngayon, kaya nga namin nagagawang dumaing dahil nakikita namin ang kakulangan. Masama bang humingi ng karagdagang budget? Ang UP ay isa sa mga unibersidad na tinitingala ng mga tao, pero kung alam niyo lang ang kalagayan ng mga pasilidad, mga upuan, pati na ang napakaliit na sahod ng aming mga guro na siguradong kulang pa sa pang gasolina nila, marahil ay maintindihan mo kami. Phi, tignan mo muna ang konkreto at obhetibong kundisyon bago ka magkumento. Alamin mo muna ng lubusan kung saan mo hinuhugot ang mga katwiran mo. Yun lang🙂

  92. proudtobeUP permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    alam mo, parang frustrated ka lang or rather insecure kasi hindi ka taga-UP eh. or maybe masyadong kulang ka lang sa pansin! do you even know what you are talking about? do you even understand what we’ve been through?! alam mo ba kung paano maging isang Iskolar ng Bayan?
    sabihin mo na kasi na jealous ka lang sa’min. mag-aral ka kaya sa UP. try mo dito sa UPV!
    kung hindi mo pa nage-gets ‘ung mga explanations sa previous comments, nagpapatunay lang yan kung gaano ka ka-bobo.
    wala namang sense ung nira-rant mo eh. at syanga pala, check mo ung grammar mo, nakakahiya eh.

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      What I know is that you’re a PARASITE! Why not reveal your true identity, parasitical troll? Yeah, right, it’s because you have an undeveloped brain and that you can’t argue properly.

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Name-calling is never a good argument. It only shows you’ve run out of them. Argue your points properly para ‘di ka magmukang mangmang sa sarili mong blog. Ini-enjoy ko pa naman sana.

      • Ami permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        Undeveloped brain? Sinong idol si Rand? Diba ikaw? Sus, kung meron man ditong brain na undeveloped, sayo yun! May sarili kang realidad, doon ka tumira! Doon ka mag blog!

        Can’t argue properly? Nabasa mo ba blog mo? WALA KANG POINT! Nakita mo ba mga reply mo sa threads? WALA DING POINT!! Ikaw ang di marunong mag-argue!

        Totoo naman ah, di ka taga-UP. Bitter ka lang. Di kami natatakot i-reveal ang sarili namin. punta ka UPV, haharapin ka namin!! Di ka namin aatrasan!

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Wahahaha! @ Ami, you’ve proven that you have an under-developed brain. Parang galing ka sa mental, honestly lol! Ano bang pinagmamayabang mo, na taga-UP ka, eh balu-baluktot ang mga arguments niyo. Kayo-kayo lang naga-agree sa mga sinasabi niyo. You can’t even refute the points made by the blogger. You don’t even understand the true, genuine concept of rights. Hindi mo ba naiintindihan kung bakit hindi right ang education? Kasi it’s simply a commodity… Gets mo, BOPOLS?

      • July 26, 2010 3:38

        Ang sa akin lang, lahat ng naga-ask ng government subsidy and who are in favor of it are PARASITES. Yun lang yun. Misan, we have to call things their proper name. Asking government grants is just one of the best example of parasitical acts.

      • proudtobeUP permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        may brain ka ba?
        you’re a virus.🙂

      • Mr. Big permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        This my friend is a comment of an immature thinker.🙂

      • Antonio Hilario permalink
        July 31, 2010 3:38

        Woopsie – you’re not arguing. You’re whining, man.🙂 How so, parasite? Endogenous o obligate intracellular? Like the protozoan kind? Malaria? Riding the coattails of your fame? C’mon, this blog is a good idea – gets people talking more about a real issue – but it’s not THAT big a deal.

        You should also look into moderating this if you’re finding the comments personally offensive. Like, people are trampling on your right to blow, right? Well, that’s democracy for ya. It’s not easy, but it’s as good as it gets.

    • Mises permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      @ proudtobeUP. Siguro sinusuka ka na sa UP lol! Ganyan ba ang mga taga-UP, mga trash-talkers na walang laman ang utak at hindi marunong mag-argue ng maayos? I’d like to see your argument and how you edit the blogs lol!

      • proudtobeUP permalink
        July 26, 2010 3:38

        bakit may utak ka ba? haha ROFL!

      • Influenced by Hayek permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        All these exchange of farts has made me to recall F. A. Hayek’s Nobel Prize Lecture “The Pretense of Knowledge.”

        @Mises, it shudders me that these so-called intelligent people cannot understand the truth. Perhaps, a typical street child could easily grasp what we’re saying compared with these idiots, don’t you think?

  93. jenna permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    funny because there are these other people that keep on replying to others’ comments, seemingly defending his points to the death. i understand that the author of this, this, um… thing, thinks that he has said enough, thus he need not answer the comments of those who comment against his opinion. honestly, i enjoyed reading the threads more than this arrogant blog post. i do not wish to delve in and repeat most of the flaws mentioned by past commenters, but i just wish to express that this writer is very misguided and i find it laughable that he knows so many english words and seems to boast of how much he has read when in fact, as most people have observed, he has forgotten the philippine constitution itself, which blatantly says that education is a right.

    • Are you reading? permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      The author of the blog has rejected The 1987 Constitution’s provision that “Education is a right.” No matter how many legal documents that say that, education cannot be a right for reasons that have been uttered ad infinitum.

  94. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Ami permalink
    July 26, 2010 5:17 pm

    Hoy Francis! Wag kang mag generalize! Hindi lahat ng aktibista iresponsable pagdating sa pag-aaral nila. Marami ang achievers at mga Laude pa. Bago ka mag husga mag imbistiga ka muna.

    Oo nga, may mga aktibistang hindi nakakapagtapos ng pag-aaral pero majority dun hindi dahil sa delinquency. Marami sa kanila nanggaling sa mahirap na pamilya at kahit pa noong 200-300/unit pa lang tuition di na nila kaya. Imaginin mo, nung panahong yun marami na ang hindi nakapag tapos nang dahil sa krisis. Mas na ngayon nang dahil sa TOFI.

    Kaya patuloy ang protesta! Di kasi kami makasarili! Di tulad mo! Ikaw ang puro jibberjabber!!

    -pakipaliwanag sakin na sa limang taong pagaaral ko sa isang state-u, lahat and i mean lahat ng naging kaklase.. mas pinipili nilang magrally at magprotesta kesa tapusin ang exam o gumawa ng project, hindi dahil wala silang pangtuition, kadalasan nga, nasa loob pa ng klase eh, lalabas para magrally.. at ako ay nagsasalita ng ayon sa aking nakita, personal experience at nasaksihan

    kung madadagdag ko lang, laki ako sa hirap na walang pangbayad ng tuition fee, umabot ako sa punto na nagbabasag kami ng alkansya para makapsok sa skwela.. ngunit (ako lang ito) hindi ko piniling magrally sa kalye at ipagsigawan na dapat ganito ang ganyan at ganyan ang ganito.. naghanap ako ng trabaho na pwede ko isabay sa pagaaral ko kaya pasensya na kung hindi ko talga maintindihan kung bakit kelangan magrally kesa gumawa ng direktang paraan sa sarili para maibsan ang sinasabing problema.
    🙂

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Kasi hindi mo maabot isipin ang iba. Pag may TFI sa UP, usually next batch ang apektado. Hindi sinisingil ng new fees ang oldies para wag umangal. Pasalamat ka sa previous batches na na-hold sa 60, 200, 400, at 600 piso ang tuition. 90s pa lang kasi, may plano nang mag- 1k+ ang UP.

      Pinaglaban ka nila. The least we can do is pay it forward. Isa pa, mas maigi nang ipinaglalaban ang karapatan kesa depensahan ang kabulukan.

  95. Mises permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    @ Jenna.

    Sabi mo: “he has forgotten the philippine constitution itself, which blatantly says that education is a right.”

    Alam mo kung bakit, kasi mga BOBO ang mga framers ng constitution na KATULAD MO. Ganun lang kasimple yun.

  96. francis permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    salamat H🙂

    ang akin lang naman ay hindi ko maisip or bigyang katarungan na sa kalagitnaan ng klase at exam ay lalabas ako para magrally? namageend up sa pagbagsak nya sa klaseng un dahil lagi sya/silang ganun?

    ok lang magprotesta/magrally.. walang mali dyan🙂 pero di ba may tamang paraan at kadalasan ang lahat ng bagay, sa nasaksihan KO.. mas nakalalamang doon sa malabis at hindi balanseng pagaaral at pakikibaka, yan lang naman ang hindi ko maintindihan..

    i hold no grudge against anyone, im glad im in here and continue to exchange thoughts and point of views.. malay ko, mali pala ko? walang masama umako ng pagkakamali🙂

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      Thanks, too for sharing the sentiment.

      P.S. Meron ding nakikisakay sa rally. Yung mga ‘di masyadong interested pero mas disinterested sa classes.

      Either way, paki-criticize kasi kung activists talaga sila, dapat active din pati sa klase, unless the two are in discord and the contradiction favors a walkout as with greater importance (i.e. with permission, grades are covered, sasama ang prof, no point going to class if bukas susunugin na ang Univ, etc.)🙂

      • francis permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        H, sad to say but in my 5 years of staying in a state-u, its not what i witnessed, mas namulat ako sa mga klase ng “activist” na mas disinterested sa classes kaya mas pinipili ang rally at pagproprotesta.

        to think of it, ako na nasa state-u, sa ganyan paraan ako namulat, paano pa ang mga hindi nagaaral sa state-u, baka kaya siguro ganyan sila umangal🙂

        para sa blog na to at sa mga nagcocomment. ang hinihingi ng mga estudyante ng mga state-u ay tamang alokasyon ng budget, may pera naman, ninanakaw at hindi lang napupunta sa tama, the students are just asking what should be theirs in first place, kesehodang right o hindi right ang pagaaral, maraming loop holes ang batas natin, one law can contradict the other at kanya kanyang guhit ng itlog nlng sa paginterpreta, rights or no rights, the students are just asking the right allocation of budget (6% of gdp, pakicorrect ako kung mali), plain and simple! kumbaga, nagtrabaho ka, may xmas bonus ka na 1000 pero 500 lang ang binigay.. ewan ko lang kung hindi ka umangal🙂

        hindi ba pwedeng compromise yan? hahaha parang e di isipin mong hindi rights, ang intindi namin rights yan.. either way, ibigay mo nlng ang tamang budget namin😀 lol lam ko may mali sa sinabi pero nah🙂

    • Ami permalink
      July 26, 2010 3:38

      Tama ang sabi ni H. Sa peyups kasi madalas pag may mob either alternative class or excused. Sometimes pati prof sumasama.🙂

      • July 28, 2010 3:38

        is it just me or what?
        palaging sinasabi ni ralph na PUP kuno sya…
        false pretense ata yan tol…
        kasi, di mo na kaylangan ipagsigawan na state U ka…
        makikita dapat yan sa way ng pagsusulat mo…
        di naman state U style ng sulat mo…
        drop out kalang ata…
        at para ka namang di nakasama ng rally EVER…
        isa ka lang ploy ng BLOGGER na to para i-stir up ang argument…
        TOOL of the TROLL ka lang so wag ka nang mag-kunwari…
        call center agent ka lang tol if I know…

  97. Rhomz permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    Nakakatawa talaga this blog is so Ayn Rand. LoLz.

  98. Ami permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    @UP FREAKS: Alam mo kung bakit di ko gets na commodity ang education? DAHIL MALI ANG BLOGGER UKOL DITO!! Nabasa mo na ba ang konstitusyon ng Pilipinas? Nakasulat sa Article 14, Section 5, Paragraph 5 na: “The State shall assign the highest budgetary priority to Education…” Nakasulat naman sa Bill of Rights, Article 14, Section 1 na: “The State shall protect and promote the RIGHT of all citizens to quality education at all levels.”

    Anong hindi mo na intindihan don?

    Ibig sabihin sa ilalim ng Pilipinas KARAPATAN ang EDUKASYON!! Di commodity, di privilege and di isang negosyo!! Sabi din dito na dapat ang may pinkamataas na budget ay ang edukasyon. Sa totoong buhay, napabilang ang edukasyon sa bottom two.

    Kaya nag proprotesta ang mga UP. Di sila naga-ask,DINEDEMANDA nila yun. Alam mo kung bakit dahil karapatan nila yun! Dahil yun ang tama!

    Hindi ko pinagyayabang na galing akong UP. Pero pinagyayabang ko na aktibista ako sa UP. Atleast kami may pinaglalaban. Linalabanan namin ang kamali-an. Eh, ikaw? at ang blogger na to? puro sarili nyo lang ang iniisip nyo.

    Hoy UPFREAKS!! Gets mo na or bobo much?

    • Ikaw ang bobo permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      So what kung gustong sabihin ng Philippine Constitution na karapatan ang eduksyon? Alam na alam niyang hindi ito nararapat, kaya dapat alisin ito.

      taga UP ka pero napakabobo mo!

      • Ami permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Wala kang argument AT ALL. Sabi mo lang bobo ako dahil naniniwala ako sa konstitusyon. Back up your argument with facts… Bakit? Bakit ito dapat alisin? Bakit naniniwala ka sa kanya?

        Sige nga, kasi ang bobo ko. Enlighten me..😀

      • Ami permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Este.. Wala ka pa lang point… AT ALL.🙂

        P.S.
        Ang tunay na bobo yung mga taong sunod-sunoran sa mga defunct philosophers gaya ni Rand. hehe..😀

      • Ikaw ang bobo permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Ikaw ang bobo dahil sinabi na nga ni Froi kung bakit hindi dapat paniwalaan ang sinasabi ng Saligang-batas, heto ka at nagbubulag-bulagan na waring hindi niya sinulat.

        BOBO! Ganyan ba ang UP student? BOBO!

        Isa kang malaking halimbawa ng artikulong nabanggit dito: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104976

      • IKAW ang BOBO, Ikaw ang bobo! permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        kung magko-commnt ka lng din nmn, pwedeng siguraduhin mong may lamang yung comment mo?..

        kung may bobo mn dito, IKAW yun!

        di mo ba gets??..even our constitution recognizes the people’s right to education – to accessible education!..

  99. regular na UP student lang permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    please define to me what “slavery” is. kung ikaw ba ay taxpayer at ina-allocate ng gobyerno ng maayos ang buwis na binabayad mo, halimbawa sa edukasyon, health care etc. “slave” ka bang matatawag? kung ikaw ay isang taxpayer at ang buwis na binabayad mo ay binubulsa lang ng mga nasa posisyon, ano ang tawag sa’yo? hindi ka ba “slave” ng mga corrupt na opisyal na to? kung ikaw ay isang trabahador ng multinational company, ngunit walang sapat na benepisyo at sahod, ano ang tawag sayo? kung ikaw ay trabahador na nagbabayad ng buwis buwan-buwan ngunit hindi mo naman nalalaman o nararamdaman ang proyekto o pinaglala-anan ng buwis na binabayad mo, hndi ka ba alipin ng sistemang ito?

    —ang punto naman kasi dito, proper allocation. hindi naman sinasabing taasan ang buwis na binabayaran. dahil kung ganun, ang masa din naman ang papasan ng mas mabugat na pasanin. to the author of “The Vinceton Post,” naaawa ka maxado sa mga taxpayers kasi parang gusto na sila alipinin ng mga UP students sa paghingi ng mas mataas ng budget. pero di mo man lang pala alam na sa bawat sigaw ng mga taga UP ng dagdag na budget sa edukasyon ay isinisigaw din nila ang pagtaas ng sahod ng mga trabahador, tunay na reporma sa lupa at dagdag na benepsiyo para sa iba’t ibang sektor. ibig sabihin (kung hindi niyo parin kuha), isinasama ng mga UP students at ng buong youth sector sa bawat panawagan nila ang kapakanan ang masa na siyang mayorya sa pagbabayad ng buwis. ang buwis na gusto nilang gamitin ng gobyerno para sa kapakanan nila at hindi para ibakasyon sa kung saan lupalop ng mundo, sa pagpanood ng boxing match ni pacquiao, sa pagbili ng bahay sa mamahaling subdibisyon sa amerika, sa pagbayad ng private armies, sa pagpapatayo ng mga mansyon at sa pagpaparetoke ng dibdib.

    nananiwala kasi ang mga aktibistang ito sa “collectivism.” kasi kung “individualism” ang paiiralin nila, dun na papasok ang “slavery” na sinasabi mo. gagawing alipin ng mga estudyanteng ito ang mga taxpayers kung sarili lamang nila ang kanilang iisipin. pero ang kaso nga, hndi naman ganun ang ngyayari. pero naiintindihan ko naman kung bakit hindi mo alam ang mga bagay na yan (o sabihin na nating, hirap kang intindihin ang mga ito) di ka pa siguro nakadalo o nakakita ng isang multi-sectoral protest. (ang tanong, alam mo ba kung ano yun?).

    p.s.
    dun sa mga hindi nakakagets ng mga comments ng ibang estudyante ng UP dito, okay lang yan. naiintindihan ko kayo. pero alam niyo, sa UP kasi itinuturo din ung “read between the lines” or “understand the silences of the texts”. mahirap nga namang gawin un para sa ibang tao. :))

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      “Please define slavery…” Its dictionary definition is “the state of being a slave.” The “right to education does not merely legalize theft by the state, but institutionalize slavery as well, wherein the taxpayers- the productive ones, most especially- are forced at the point of gun to contribute to what is called the “common good” or the “greater good.”

      There is no such thing as a ‘right to education’, since such a ‘right’ makes slaves of those who are physically forced to pay or teach for someone else’s so called right. For this reason alone public schooling should not be saved, or reformed, but it should be abolished — as it is a violation of individual (human) rights.

      What the advocates of “free” education espouse is not leaving individuals free to pay for their own education, or free to pay for the education of another, or free to decide on the content of that education. Rather, they advocate the robbing of one man to pay the for the unearned benefit (in this case the “schooling”) of another. The proper name for such a program is not “free” education, but is legalized theft. This is what those who advocate “free” state supported education actually endorse.

      The key issue here is whether one is forced to pay for education of oneself (or others) voluntarily of one’s own free-will — as with private education; or, if one is forced to pay for the education of oneself (or others) at the point of a gun (to see this gun appear, simply volunteer to refuse to take part in “voluntary” taxation).

      Government is an agent of force; force and mind are opposites; to impose the will of public officials upon its citizens, is to render its citizens slaves. Contrary to the collectivist doctrines espoused throughout American colleges, the mind of a child — or an adult — does not belong to the state: each man is an end to himself. It is said that children learn by example, is there any doubt to what kind of example “public-free” schooling is teaching?

      In reality- and THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING- public “free” education has achieved its goal perfectly — it has turned a potential free-thinking child that will fight for freedom, into a adult incapable of abstract reasoning, that demands to be enslaved by the state. In fact, public education has done such a good job at this, that most people cannot imagine a society where public education does not exist.

      MOST RECOMMENDED LINK: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/freedom-in-education-versus-right-to-education/

      • marialeabernadeth permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        napaka-individualistic naman po ng pananaw na yan. meron po kasi tayong teorya sa “social contract” na mas naisasapraktika ngayon sa mundo. diyan po pumapasok ang role ng gobyerno and at ng mga tao mismo. i assume nabasa niyo na po sila Hobbes, Locke at Rousseau. sila po ang magpapaliwanag ng iba’t ibang social contract theories. pero aliman sa tatlo, wala pong indibidualismo na nilalahad. basic readings lang po yan sila sa soc sci 2.

        ika nga, dalawang bagay lang ang cgurado sa mundo. kamatayan at TAX. intindihin mo nlang ang social contract theories kung bakit nagbabayad ng buwis ang mga mamamayan ng isang bansa. at kung bakit hindi pwedeng ikasali sa kategorya ng enslavement ang pagbabayad ng buwis. at mas lalong hindi ito pagnanakaw. ang korupsyon ang pagnanakaw hindi ang pagkolekta ng buwis. :))

        ang mga types and definition of rights po kasi na nilahad sa blog na ito ay maxadong general. ang dami na pong iba’t ibang karapatan sa mundo, iba-iba depende kung sang parte ka nito.

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        It is individualistic. It is self-interested. But I know it wouldn’t take a very short reply to know what I’m talking about. (Better check my blog on politics and ethics https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/on-ethics-and-politics/ and on self-interest https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/). Your social contract is purely about socialism. There is no such an entity as society. (Check my blog: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/theres-no-such-entity-as-society/).

        Social contract is, in reality, collectivism. It rejects individualism. It means that we must serve others above our own. That our duty in our society is to serve others, which means everybody is a slave to everybody. Social contract has a very weak epistemology and its ethics is the morality of altruism, which I reject and consider evil. The only logical result of this social theory is either fascism or socialism, which are two forms of collectivism. Thus, this theory is against capitalism, which I support. It is very disappointing this theory is the basis of Noynoy’s leadership, which means he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I think the very reason for this is because of his philosophy.

        “ika nga, dalawang bagay lang ang cgurado sa mundo. kamatayan at TAX. ” Because that what’s you professors, probably, and the intellectuals tell you. But that should not be a justification to ask more subsidies so that our taxes would be a big burden for us. I suggest the you read the right books. For novels, read Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged all by Ayn Rand. For economics, read Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson, and try to know more about Ludwig Von Mises. He’s got a lot of free books online. These guys would lead you to the truth.

      • marialeabernadeth permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        nung pinag-aaral ka po ba ng mga magulang mo naitanong mo sa kanila kung bakit nila ito ginagawa? ginagawa ba nila ito dahil talagang gusto nilang gumastos sa pag-aaral mo o dahil alam nilang responsibilidad nilang pag-aralin ka bilang anak nila? kung ito ay dahil responsibilidad ng isang magulang na pag-aralin at mabigyan ng magandang buhay ang kanyang anak kaya pinag-aral ka ng mga magulang mo, ibig sabihin po ba nun inalipin mo din sila? hindi naman nila gusto eh, pero responsibilidad nila kaya dapat nilang gawin.:)

        ganun din po yun sa gobyerno at edukasyon. sa mga nagbabayad ng buwis at Gobyerno. ito ay responsibidad. hindi mo man gusto pero alam kelangan mong gawin. pero malayo po ito sa sinasabi ninyong “enslavement.”

  100. Chad permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    I’m a UP freshie. Let’s face it. Kung wala kang pera, may magagawa ka ba? Wala. You stop studying; you have no choice.

    Sabagay. May punto din kami. Puno’t dulo lang naman ng argumento eh ilabas yung perang dapat nakalaan sa pormal na edukasyon, at bigyan ng bagong istruktura ang badyet para sa mga kagamitan sa pag-aaral.

    But we’re asking to subsidize formal schooling, not education. Formal schooling isn’t a right. Hindi mo karapatang makapasok ng UP–pinaghirapan mo yung UPCAT. Nagreview-center ka man o nagpuyat sa bahay o dedma lang, ikaw pa rin ang nag-eksam at ikaw pa rin ang papasa.

    Kung titingnan lang nang mabuti, masasabing technically privatized ang UP eh! Despite the fact that we pay 1/3 of our actual tuition fees if you’re in Bracket A, or none at all if you’re in Bracket E2, our university retains the right to select its students according to either academic performance or economic ability. The university is funded in part by the stuff that we pay. Subsidized lang tayo partly kasi hindi kaya ng bansa.

    That’s one thing we miss out on–we bitch on things we need and yet we can’t face the responsibilities that come with our privileges. Kung makakapag-aral ka sa pormal na paaralan, aba’y dapat lang magbayad ka. Yes, education is a right in the constitution. Kung eto lang ang basehan aba’y dapat lahat na ng tao nakapag-UP. Yes, it’s a right to be educated. Pero like Vince said, accessible education needs funding. Eh tiwali nga ang pulitiko–kaya walang pera. And then we bitch again at the politicians, giving us more reason to stomp out of class and whine incessantly about how we need government funding.

    And I have to agree with them on the fact that instead of working our asses off to finish our theses and prods, we go out and complain. Pasalamat tayo binabayaran ng taumbayan ang more than 70 percent ng tuition natin (Sabi kasi ng prof ko sa Kas 1, 60,000 talaga ang dapat na tuition fee kung 18 units). When you think about it, binayaran na nga ng magulang mo/mo ang tuition fee mo, binabayaran ka pala nila in installments pati ang ibang tao para lang makapag-aral ka.

    Reality check: Hindi kasya yung tax natin doon. Kung gusto ninyo, pataasin ninyo ang buwis, pero kayo din mahihirapan doon.

    Oo, mataas nga ang binabayad natin. Oo, wala tayong nakikitang pagbabago. Pero does that make it any better to grumble? Oo. May pinaglalaban tayo. Pero, imbis na maging produktibo tayo sa pamamagitan ng pagpasok sa klase at paggamit nang matiwasay sa mahigit-kumulang 60% ng matrikula natin na binabayaran ng taumbayan, lumalabas tayo at nagsasabing “Dagdagan, dagdagan, huwag bawasan!”

    Isa pa, ang pagtatayo din ng mga research institute sa loob ng campus ay para daw sa estudyante, and we like it nonetheless. This is the system’s lame excuse to generate more Westernized and globalized students para ipain sa US at iba pang kapitalistang bansa. If we were really nationalistic, dapat tinutulan natin ang pagtayo ng Science complex na ‘yan kasi diyan magii-stem out ang mga syentipikong magtatrabaho sa ibang bansa.

    That in itself is a contradiction to what I believe the UP student is–nationalistic. WE SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE NATION’S WELL-BEING. Huwag kang magsayang ng pera ng taumbayan. Hindi lahat makatatamasa ng pormal na edukasyon, at harapin natin ang sitwasyon na tiwali ang gobyerno. Don’t cry over spilled milk–wipe the fucking thing off and milk a cow.
    Ayusin ninyo yung gobyerno kung sila talaga ang ugat ng problema ninyo. Kaya nga tayo demokratiko (na sa ngayon ay di nafu-fulfill ang purpose). Petix.

    This is not individualism; this is realism. Kung wala kang pera, wala kang choice. Masakit, oo. Pero tanggapin mo. Or better yet, find a way.

    Change is not merely visible and it doesn’t happen in quick periods of time. It may not even happen in years or decades because our economic stability as a country varies over time. Kung tinatanong mo kung saan napupunta yung pera na dapat pinang-ayos ng AS, tingnan mo yung bagong gates at yung bagong kalsada sa Diliman. Tingnan mo na lang din yung Science complex.

    Napupunta sa “atin” yung pera. We do receive the quality education because we worked for it. Simple lang naman ang paraan para makapasok ka sa UP eh. Mag-aral ka nang mabuti. That in itself is a form of nationhood, na dapat mayroon ang mga iskolar ng bayan. We can rant in class, we can bitch in class—kausapin ninyo prof ninyo at ituring niyang klase ang demonstrasyon. Pero the best thing we can do is to ensure the people that their taxes—no matter how small—circulates properly and is used properly.

    Huwag na tayong dumagdag sa gulo. 

    • July 26, 2010 3:38

      @Chad:

      Hindi mo binasa ang thread. Paki-basa ulit. Nakakatanga nang paulit-ulit ito.

      May budget. Hindi binibigay, ninanakaw, binabayad sa militar.
      Hindi dadagdagan ang buwis i-a-allocate lang lang maayos.
      Puro Gov Reps ang BOR ngayon so hindi private ang UP.
      Pumasa ka ng UPCAT isa yun sa provisions ng Scholarship. “The best” ika nga ng Consti.
      This is in favor of the nation’s well-being dahil hindi well ang kurakutin ang budget.
      Kung wala kang pera at deserving, bibigyan ka ng scholarship. Kung may pera ka, ba’t ka nasa State U kung hindi Good Quality ang Educ as evident sa estudyante?

      Binabayaran ng taumbayan tuition mo, ipaglaban mo rin karapatan nila. You’re not using the people’s money properly if hanggang loob lang ng classroom ang kaya mo. Pwede mo yung gawin sa ibang Colleges/Elementary Schools.

      Huwag kang mag-alala, after a sem, maiintindihan mo rin. (Hopefully)

      • marialeabernadeth permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        @ Chad:
        “This is not individualism; this is realism. Kung wala kang pera, wala kang choice. Masakit, oo. Pero tanggapin mo. Or better yet, find a way.”

        may soc sci 2 ka? sino teacher mo?yan ba ang sabi niyang definition ng realism sa’yo?
        hindi yan realism gang. reality ang tawag dyan, magkaiba yun. kung realism, “pushing for your OWN interest.” yun dapat.

    • Mr. Big permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Freshie nga talaga ito

    • PogiAko permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Kung wala kang pera, edi magtrabaho ka, para makapagaral ka.

  101. S.A.E. permalink
    July 26, 2010 3:38

    You should really consider studying in UP for firsthand experience.

    (Oh right. You have to pass the UPCAT first.)

    ’nuff said. :-bd

    • Walang kwenta permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Ang topic ay kung karapatan ba ang edukasyon. Pinapatamaan ni Froi ang konsepto ng pagiging karapatan di-umano ng edukasyon. Mas malawak na usapin ito kaysa sa pag-aaral sa UP. Sa madaling salita, ninanais niya ring isapribado ang mga state U’s sa ibang bansa. Malinaw na malinaw iyun. At bakid ba napakakitid ng utak mo para maintindihan ang ganitong bagay at sinasabi mo pang kailangan niyang mag-aral sa UP? BOBO! Bubotiks!

      • Mr. Big permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Walang Kwenta’s comment speaks for his name. He/She does not realize that the commenter above just wants the blog writer to have a glance on what is UP, the culture of UP and what makes UP have its reputation so that he knows what he is writing on.
        Why didn’t the writer even consider the history of UP? The things that this that he calls “stupid” university has contributed to this country. Then he unjustly attacks UP students for what they are fighting for. Do you even know what they are fighting for for god’s sake? Did he even read what the University’s view on what the oblation is? Because what he has written above is merely his unlawful opinion.
        It’s just a matter of RESPECT, I respect your opinions but please be just about what you write. Try being in our position before attacking our opinions.

      • Walang kwenta opinyon mo permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Q: Why didn’t the writer even consider the history of UP?
        A: In my opinion, this is not needed. He is not merely calling for SUC’s like UP to be privatized. He supports the idea that all state schools in other countries should be privatized.

        Q: The things that this that he calls “stupid” university has contributed to this country. Then he unjustly attacks UP students for what they are fighting for.
        Do you even know what they are fighting for for god’s sake?

        A: The students are fighting for their so-called right to education. The author is not alone in challenging this claim. You have the right to believe what you want to believe; it is also true that anyone has the right to challenge your beliefs. If due to good logic and overwhelming evidence that your belief has been disproved and yet you continue to cling to it, it is clear that you stupid and have no humility to change it. Unfortunately, you and many UP students in this thread are acting stupidly.

        Q: Did he even read what the University’s view on what the oblation is?

        I cannot speak for Froilan about this, but I don’t think UP’s view on it matters. In fact, it seems to me that he did not actually need to express his view on the Oble in order to make the point that education is not a right. It’s just a matter of style.

      • Jose Lozado permalink
        August 1, 2010 3:38

        your answers are 75% wrong. Laugh out Loud at this uneducated stupid boy’s comment

  102. david permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Education is not a right, yes. But it does not mean that the government should not do anything at all regarding education. An amount of collectivism is necessary. Even private enterprises are of collective nature.

  103. taong di tulad ng blogger na nagsulat ng blog na ito permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    demn, nakakaawa ka naman, buti cgruong bumalik ka ng hayskul at aralin ang basic soc sci. wala man lang kalaman-laman etong blog mo. props na lang sa husay ng citation mo, parehong walang pinapatunguhan katulad ng buong point mo🙂

  104. susanna permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

    • Hehe permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      “If you think education is expensive, you must be a complete idiot for not knowing where to get it for free or cheap.” — Anonymous

  105. UP FIGHT! :P permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Dear Mister, let me ask you this question. Are you even a UP student? If not, then you can’t possibly know how we feel, why we do those rallies to fight for OUR RIGHTS. Stop acting as if you know everything about Marxism, leftists and all your stupid blah blahs. I noticed that you just copied and pasted things from websites as your proofs of how STUPID WE UP STUDENTS ARE. You didn’t even follow the rules on proper citation. Kung UP student ka, singko ka na because of plagiarism. Oh, hindi ka nga pala UP student, no wonder ang lakas ng loob mong mag’blog tungkol sa mga bagay’bagay na kahit katiting eh wala kang alam.

    Naaawa ako sa’yo. Tinatawag mong symbol of selfish heroism si Oble samantalang ikaw mismo e selfish. Sige. Gawin mong privilege na lang ang pag’aaral. Paano kung isa ka sa mga kabataan na walang kakayahang magbayad ng mahal na matrikula dahil naging privilege na lang ang pag’aaral? MAG’ISIP KA NGA! Nakakairita ka, alam mo ba yun? Try mo munang lumugar sa kalagayan ng iba before you write stupid bullshits on your blog.

    Isang araw, kapag binalikan ka ng karma, you’re going to eat this shit you call blog.

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      I don’t care about your fight. Read the whole blog again, as well as its appurtenances. It’s a monstrous audacity to claim you’re fighting “for your rights.” In truth and in fact, you’re fighting for the enslavement of others and you’re fighting for legalized theft by the government by confiscating a portion of the earnings of those who work in order to serve the “needy” sector of our society. I can’t believe you’re so stupid not to understand the real concept of rights. Yes, you’re fighting for slavery. That is, you want institutional, legalized slavery, you just don’t know it because you’re so ignorant and so stupid…

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      @ UP FIGHT!😛
      You said: “I noticed that you just copied and pasted things from websites as your proofs of how STUPID WE UP STUDENTS ARE. You didn’t even follow the rules on proper citation.”

      I think this is another funny intimidation. Di ko alam kung BOBO ka or sadyang napaka-estupido lang. This is not a thesis and dissertation that requires proper citation ala MLA, APA, Harvard, Turabian, etc. This is a blog. It is sufficient that you acknowledge the author of an idea and provide links to those borrowed or lifted idea.

      It’s you who doesn’t know the proper rules in citation. It’s OK to borrow the idea of others so long as you acknowledge them by citing their name or providing link since this is a blog NOT a thesis and dissertation. Kung taga-UP ka, isa ka nga sa BOPOLS diyan lol! BOBO KA NA NGA, ESTUPIDO KA PA. Kaka-disappoint kayong mga mangmang kayo!

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        Natawa ako dito. Pati rin pala si Conrado de quiros na favorite columnist ko, kasi sometime he lifts some info or quotation from online sources or popular people ay plagiarist.

        @ UP FIGHT!😛. Congratulations! You have successfully shown your amazing STUPIDITY! lol! Peace! Pero I found your pathetic rants so stupid…

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      Ano ba?! Hindi lang pala mga bobo kundi desperado na tong “UP FIGHT! :P” na to. I think the links or phrases sa blog ay properly cited kas na-mention yung author and may mga links. Saan ang plagiarism? This is a blog not a thesis!!! My goodness. If I write a blog and borrow some lines, phrases, report passages, or quotations from other authors, bloggers, or articles am I required to cite them in MLA, APA, etc. Hindi ba enough na that I provide links?!

      BOBO KA BA or sadyang tanga lang hahaha! Hindi ka ata nag-iisip eh!

  106. ANG MGA SALOT NG BAYAN VS ISKOLAR NG BAYAN! :)) permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    *Di namin hinihiling na magkaroon ng libreng pag-aaral. Ang gusto namin ay mawala ang TOFI at di matuloy ang pagdadagdag ng mga PE fees at iba pang dagdag fee. Ay teka, alam niyo ba kasi yun? Eh di naman kasi ata kayo UPian ee. Alamin niyo muna ang LAHAT ng tungkol sa UP (past, present at future conditions at kung ano ano pa) bago sabihin na stupid at parasites ang mga ISKOLAR NG BAYAN.
    Akala ko ba this blog is about objectivity? Hmmm, i think it’s the other way around.

    EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, ito ang aking opinyon di dahil ito ang sinabi ng leftist na professor ko (although wala pa akong nae-encounter na ganito), kundi dahil ito ang natuklasan at napagtanto ko.

    Hayaan nalang natin ang blog na ito, kitang kita naman na kahit anong sabihin nila, di magbabago na ang UP ay UP (kalakip ang pribilehiyo na makapag-aral dito at ang mga naiambag ng mga produkto ng UP).

    Oh well, kelangan nalang natin magkaroon ng bukas na pag-iisip at unawain ang iba’t-ibang opinyon ng tao (at kung bakit sila nagbibitterbitter-an, ooops :O ).

    MABUHAY ANG PAG-ASA NG BAYAN :DDDDDD

    • Whateverrrrr permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Tamaaaa. Haha. Alamin niyo muna kasi mga bagay’bagay bago kayo mag’blog kung gaano kami (UP students) katanga, haha.

      Ang pathetic ng blog na to. Wag na lang nating pansinin.

      May kaya’kanya tayong perspective when it comes to things like rights, etc. Pero please lang, don’t call us stupid. Hindi naman makukuha ng UP ang reputation bilang tahanan ng mga matatalinong estudyante kung walang basehan yun.

      Goodluck na lang sa may’ari ng blog na to. May God Bless You on your future endeavors.

      P.S.
      Mr. Blogger, don’t be ignorant of the history. Ang pagra’rally ang isa sa dahilan kung bakit tayo nakalaya sa mga kamay ng diktador na si Marcos.🙂

  107. francis permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    H, sad to say but in my 5 years of staying in a state-u, its not what i witnessed, mas namulat ako sa mga klase ng “activist” na mas disinterested sa classes kaya mas pinipili ang rally at pagproprotesta.

    to think of it, ako na nasa state-u, sa ganyan paraan ako namulat, paano pa ang mga hindi nagaaral sa state-u, baka kaya siguro ganyan sila umangal🙂

    para sa blog na to at sa mga nagcocomment. ang hinihingi ng mga estudyante ng mga state-u ay tamang alokasyon ng budget, may pera naman, ninanakaw at hindi lang napupunta sa tama, the students are just asking what should be theirs in first place, kesehodang right o hindi right ang pagaaral, maraming loop holes ang batas natin, one law can contradict the other at kanya kanyang guhit ng itlog nlng sa paginterpreta, rights or no rights, the students are just asking the right allocation of budget (6% of gdp, pakicorrect ako kung mali), plain and simple! kumbaga, nagtrabaho ka, may xmas bonus ka na 1000 pero 500 lang ang binigay.. ewan ko lang kung hindi ka umangal🙂

    hindi ba pwedeng compromise yan? hahaha parang e di isipin mong hindi rights, ang intindi namin rights yan.. either way, ibigay mo nlng ang tamang budget namin😀 lol lam ko may mali sa sinabi pero nah🙂

  108. UP Student undergraduate permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    May I inform you, Mr. froivinber, that your idea of UP students fighting for higher state subsidy is not geared towards enslaving the population. In my opinion, it’s aimed towards quality education being accessible to all and not just to the fortunate few.

    Education is indeed a privilege and not a right. It is also not limited to the 4 walls of a classroom. So why, then, would you want state universities to be privatized? So that those who work hard to get their paychecks are no longer required to pay taxes that are geared towards the betterment of the whole and not an individual? If so, then you, or someone who posted a comment here that supports you, want to live in a world where you only look after yourself. I think you are in favor of this: Survival of the fittest.

    Institutional, legalized slavery? Then let me ask you this: Are all high school graduates being forced to go enroll in a state university? I think not. No one told us to study in a state university. We did it either by choice, or because we do not have the means to go to a “private university”, with which you claim must be better suited if we were to engage in classroom-type education. Heck, most of our countrymen chose not to study at all, and were in favor of learning through experience. Look where most of them ended up in.

    With state universities and colleges, we are being given access to a tool that would let everyone have an equal opportunity in this game we call life. If you really want an ideal world, where everyone can fend for himself, then everyone must have the right tools for the job.

    About your real concept of rights, you speak as if what Rand says about rights is absolute. As if it should be what everyone believes in. There’s only one concept I believe of as absolute, and that is change. If someone comes in and completely overturns Rand, I daresay you’ll jump the gun and say they are wrong.

    As for your faithful supporters, especially the last one who said “UP’s view on what the Oblation is” does not matter, then you have to learn to be a bit more open. Every issue has 2 sides, and it is unjust to just look at the side you like.

    I admire you for standing up to your beliefs, but you are in no position to call anyone stupid. Those activists you saw may be misguided, blinded by what they believe is right, but if you call them stupid because of their belief, then I daresay they’ll call you stupid as well.

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      You don’t know what you’re talking about. Read the blog again and its appurtenances. Know the budget deficit in this country if you believe that “higher education subsidy” will not lead to more taxes or even higher national debt. You are fighting for more allotment when we have a high budget deficit? Are you dreaming? How much more money would you like to LOOT from the taxpayers? How much more share in the national budget would you like to get?

      In the first place, public education is a failure. The best proof of this claim- that big government is a big, big failure- are the stupid, ignorant leftist/statist comments on this blog. Aside from being a failure, public education causes more tuition fee increases in private universities because the government competes with private schools, colleges, and universities.

      Yes, rights are absolute, but there is a proper concept of rights. I have explained this very extensively. All you need to do is read my blogs. I repeat, your right to education simply means legalized theft or extortion. Your concept of rights imposes obligation on others. Your only right is a right of action, or a right to act, to make it more precise. You don’t have a right to violate the rights of others by taking a portion of their earnings through government taxation. That is, you don’t have any right to impose obligations on others, directly or indirectly.

      I believe in freedom in education, not in right to education. We all have the freedom to enroll ourselves in our university or college of choice. Nobody is depriving you if you’d like to drop out of UP. That would be a great decision considering our budget deficit. That is your right, meaning you have a right to choose or not to choice. That is a right of action. Your professors won’t tell you this. But if you ask the government to provide you a higher education subsidy, the question is: where will the government get the money? You might say, “We just want a fair share!” But did you ever forget that we currently experience high budget deficit? Technically, we are in state of fiscal crisis, and I’m still waiting for the official pronouncement of some UP economists.

      Now you want more! How amazing! And you’re taking on me because I’m an advocate of subsidy cut? Who will pay for your higher education subsidy? There are only four sources of wealth in this case: 1) taxation, 2) more foreign borrowing, 3) printing of money out of thin air, 4) donation. Who will be sacrificed in the name of your “bright future?” The new administration said it will not impose new or higher taxes. But… will it borrow money from foreign sources. This is what your dear president Gloria Arroyo, an economist from UP, did. She borrowed too much money from foreign sources, and as a result, we now have over P4 trillion debt and a higher budget deficit.

      If you want more, there’s only one proper remedy. Ask your leftist alumni and representatives in Congress, leftist politicians and their sympathizers to donate a portion of their “loot”, er earnings, to UP. This is the only proper way! Capisce?!

      • Ikaw lang ba ang taxpayer? permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        UP students are also taxpayers so you really don’t have the right that say that they are freeloaders. UP students pay for their tuition (20,000 nga e. Naliliitan ka siguro kasi elitista ka. Pero sa ibang universities sa u-belt, ganyan din ang tuition) And the graduates also give back to the country. Nakalimutan mo atang UP graduates ang 30 sa 31 National Scientists of the Philippines. Yung isa pa (si Gregorio Zara), naging UP student bago niya tinanggap ang scholarship sa MIT.:) Hindi ba sila nag-give back? Diba binibigay yung award na yun to scientists who gave significant contributions to the advancement of science and technology and research in the country? Cream of the crop pa lang yung mga yan. Maraming graduates (and even mga undergrad students) from UP and other state universities na nagbibigay ng honor at significant contributions sa bansa.

        Wala man sila sa lugar pa-minsan minsan, hindi selfish ang pinaglalaban nila. Kung enough ang binibigay sa education, bakit sobra-sobra pa rin ang mga kinikita sa MWSS? Hindi naman natitipid lahat ng agencies dahil sa education. Parang ang dami pa ngang extra kasi ang daming ibang agencies na mas nakikinabang. (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/197259/after-mwss-expose-palace-tipped-on-big-perks-in-other-agencies)
        Hindi naman pinupuwersa ng mga batang ‘to na tumae ng pera ang gobyerno. Ang gusto lang naman nila, right allocation ng budget. Kaya naman kasi nagkakaroon ng deficit kasi hindi tama ang allocation ng budget. May kinikilingan kasing mga tao at agencies. Okay? Hindi tamang sabihin na wala na tayong magagawa dun kasi meron. Kung gusto, maraming paraan. Pag ayaw, maraming dahilan.

        Ikaw ba? Ano na ang nagawa mo for our country?🙂

      • Ikaw lang ba ang taxpayer? permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        P.S. : Kung wala na talagang maidadagdag na budget for education, bakit may sobra sobra at questionable (sabi ng ni PNoy) na perks ang MWSS at iba pang agencies? Diba?:D

    • Mercury permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Nicely said.

  109. Just to clear things up permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Someone wrote that

    I guess the biggest mistake the blogger made was his interpretation that in order for higher state subsidy to be given, the government had to demand for more taxes from the people, when in fact reallocation of the budget would give the same effect.

    To that guy outside this blog, this is my position:
    Taxation is legalized theft, and public education depends on it. It doesn’t matter if in a more ideal world, the government has a budget surplus and it allocates part of its budget that’s equivalent to 5% of GDP to the education sector. No taxation for the sake of education and other social services should have been imposed in the first place.

    Man has the right to earn what the could and keep what he warns.

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      I completely agree! To add: We are now facing our dead end. This is now the culmination of the statist policies of our even bigger government. The country has over P4 trillion foreign debt due to the Keynesian mentality of former Pres. Gloria Arroyo. But the people must share the blame for their collective ignorance and stupidity. Mrs. Arroyo should not solely take the blame. The people- especially those who passionately call for more subsidies, more government services, more government spending, more etcetera- are MORALLY GUILTY. They want more of these “nanny state” services yet they let out a howl of anguish and of protest when the government realizes that it can no longer bear the burden of too much gift-giving and redistribution of wealth. This is the primary reason why we have the E-Vat and more taxes. This is the primary reason why our top Keynesian economist, Gloria Arroyo, turned to foreign lenders because she was afraid to increase our tax rates owing to her un-popularity.

      Yes, we must face our collective dead-end. That’s why our new president, Kuya Noy, must be ready to lose more hair than usual. But we have indoctrinated students and stupid liberal tutors who just can’t understand economic and political realities. It’s a pity that too many of them point to the 1987 Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights when I attacked the “right to education.” The people who drafted the Constitution are morally guilty for bringing us the kind of extreme disaster that we now about to face. Many societies have failed in the past due to the collective ignorance of their leaders. What they fail to realize is that this “right to education” monstrosity was perfectly practiced by Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. The “right to education” is being perfectly applied in all slave pens on earth like North Korea, Cuba, China, Venezuela, etc

      Yes, this monstrosity- “the right to education”- has no place in a free society! It’s freedom in education which we need and should demand, not right to education.

      • July 27, 2010 3:38

        “It’s freedom in education which we need and should demand, not right to education.”

        Freedom in education? Oh yes, we have that in UP. Come, enroll now. Ha! That is if you would even dare.

        Actually, I do think that you’re affiliated in a Philo circle with all your blabbering. But I must say what you want to happen is very utopian in nature. Why not find your own land and start a new government? I suggest you do that.

        BTW, all sectors have a budget allocated by the government. If what you are saying is that no budget should be given to any of the sectors then that’s plain BULL SHIT! If people would not pay taxes then where would the government get their budget for the infrastructures and all their other projects? Why even put up a government for that matter?

      • Isko permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        @ally of concerned citizen

        Do you know the term minarchism? If not, research it yourself. At kapag nalaman mo na ang kahulugan, dapat mapagtanto mo kung ano ang mas nararapat na sistema kapalit ng kasalukuyan. Gawin mo iyan, dahil hindi nga naman uso sa UP ang spoon-feeding!

    • nikyuleta walampera permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      i totaly agree….but taxation is legal when used in the right way, however, in our system, it is not. most of it does not go to the right places to be.

      an example would be the 13billion budget cut of up; from 18b, the only given budget is 5 billion, a lot less than half. they say it was because there was not enough government funds. do we really believe in such when our officials spend this kind of amount on a single trip abroad or a dinner???????

  110. Don't tread on me permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Hmmm…I can smell stUPid leftists.

    • Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Real education for free! These are the books your leftists professors do not want you to read and online sources they don’t want you to cite. Yet these are also the intellectual ammunition which can stave off despotism from finalizing in the Philippines.

      Websites:

      http://mises.org/

      Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage!😀

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/

      Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism

      Books on Philosophy:

      “Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountainhead” both by Ayn Rand (not available for free though)

      http://marsexxx.com/ycnex/Ayn_Rand-The_Virtue_of_Selfishness.pdf

      “The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand

      Rand’s most important contribution to philosophy, a rational ethics.

      http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics.pdf

      “The Ethics of Liberty” by Murray N. Rothbard

      Applied Social Ethics

      Books on Economics and Political Philosophy:

      http://jim.com/econ/

      “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazzlit

      The easiest and surest way to understand economics

      http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf

      “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat

      No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat

      http://jim.com/hayek.htm

      “The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek

      What you need to learn about political economy

      http://mises.org/etexts/SocCap.pdf

      “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism” by Hans Hermann Hoppe

      Analyzes all political-economic systems and proves capitalism is best.

      http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

      “What Has Government Done To Our Money” by Murray N. Rothbard

      Easiest way to understand money

      http://mises.org/books/manwelfarestate.pdf

      “Man vs. The Welfare State” by Henry Hazzlit

      Welfare state is the wet dream of the leftists so this is applicable to the Philippines.

      Speak truth and love freedom!

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      i can also smell some non-isko/a PLAIN absurdity. Ai. others nga pala kayo. We don’t have the same line of thinking. Trying to sound all-knowing, eh? please look for the definition of leftist and activist. Why don’t you at least find out for yourself how these two differ from each other.

      But anyhow, I don’t think you’d bother. Ha!

      • Isko permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        At sinong nagsabi sa iyo na nasa luntiang kapaligiran ng Diliman at iba pang UP campus matatagpuan ang mga matatalino at marunong mag-isip at magkilatis ng mga bagay-bagay?

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      At sinong nagsabi sa iyo na nasa luntiang kapaligiran ng Diliman at iba pang UP campus matatagpuan ang mga matatalino at marunong mag-isip at magkilatis ng mga bagay-bagay?

      why? your bothered? nobody said that. Many students do not even have the chance to go to UP because of financial reasons and also due to the relatively high tuition fee that is why those who care fight for a higher state subsidy.

      • Isko permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Edi tigilan NIYO na ang “UP vs Others” na kabobohan na iyan, hangal.

  111. Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Books and websites that refute leftist professors a million times over. This is the intellectual ammunition that the youth need if we are to stave off despotism from finalizing in the Philippines.

    Important websites:

    http://mises.org/

    Easily the best economics website in the world. Make this your homepage!😀

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/

    Confronting the United States Predatory Interventionism

    Books on Philosophy:

    http://marsexxx.com/ycnex/Ayn_Rand-The_Virtue_of_Selfishness.pdf

    “The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand

    Rand’s most important contribution to philosophy, a rational ethics.

    ‘Atlas Shrugged’ and ‘The Fountainhead’ both by Ayn Rand

    “The Ethics of Liberty” by Murray N. Rothbard

    Social ethics applied

    Free books on economics and political economy:

    http://jim.com/econ/

    “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazzlit

    The easiest and surest way to understand economics

    http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/The_Law.pdf

    “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat

    No genuinely liberal education is complete without having read Frederic Bastiat

    http://jim.com/hayek.htm

    “The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek

    What you need to learn about political economy

    http://mises.org/etexts/SocCap.pdf

    “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism” by Hans Hermann Hoppe

    Analyzes all political-economic systems and proves capitalism as best

    http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    “What Has Government Done To Our Money” by Murray N. Rothbard

    Easiest way to understand money

    http://mises.org/books/manwelfarestate.pdf

    “Man vs. The Welfare State” by Henry Hazzlit

    Welfare state is the wet dream of the democratic left. They will hate this.

    Go. Speak truth. Love Freedom.

    • Isko permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Marxists in my school and elsewhere have chosen to ignore the ideas of Mises or pretend that he has long been discredited. That sucks, really.

  112. napadaan din lang permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    ang tanga tanga naman ng blogger na ito. nagpapa impress ka sa pamamagitan ng iyong mga retorika? TANGA! paano kung hindi ka tinuruan ng magulang mo magbasa at magsulat dahil ito ang bibitbitin nilang lohika na hindi mo ito karapatan? BAGO KA MAGSALITA MAGSALIKSIK KA NG MAAYOS. MAGSURI. BOBO! NAGPAPANGGAP NA WALANG ALAM.

    DAPAT SA IYO ISINILANG NA LANG NA WALANG KAHIT ANO EH. O BETTER YET DI KA NA LANG SINILANG DAHIL SA MGA GANYANG PAGTINGIN MO.

    • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      “paano kung hindi ka tinuruan ng magulang mo magbasa at magsulat dahil ito ang bibitbitin nilang lohika na hindi mo ito karapatan?”

      Good point! If my parents believed that I don’t have a right to education it doesn’t mean that I won’t get education. It’s just like my cellphone, my parents still bought me a cellphone even though I don’t have a right to one. Your statement assumes that people won’t acquire economic goods they don’t have the ‘right’ to acquire. The only rights man has are life, liberty, and property.

      If in some hypothetical situation I could choose in what society I’d be born in, I’d choose a pure capitalist society than a social democratic(mob rule) society anyday. Even if I was born an orphan there is a higher chance that I will be taken into a good orphanage with compassionate administrators in a capitalist society due to the existence of more capital to fund these projects. Another thing is social mobility, a person born in a welfare statist society will most probably become a lazy bum with low self-esteem because there is little chance he will become rich.

  113. July 27, 2010 3:38

    Someone has to provide the services private institutions will not give out for free. It just happens to be the government’s job to do that.

    • Democracy sucks! permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      “Someone has to provide the services private institutions will not give out for free. It just happens to be the government’s job to do that.”

      That of course is a dangerous myth.

      http://www.vforvoluntary.com/wiki/PublicGoods

  114. Veruca permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    This blog is a pure BS … who told you that they’re ignorant?
    I’m living in Europe and everything is free .. free education, and healthcare and because of that everyone has a job and the countries aren’t struggling anymore.

    Education is not a right ? …. HA !! it’s like hearing an Illuminati member towards world domination!

    • Social Democracy sucks! permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Lolz! European socialism will collapse in less than a decade. Do you know about what happened to Greece? That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The welfare state will collapse just like Russian socialism. One can be apodictically certain about these things. Europe is better than the Philippines DESPITE OF and NOT BECAUSE OF its being more interventionist than the Philippines.

      This thread refutes all your beliefs.

      http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/5616.aspx?PageIndex=1

      • Mises permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Ayaw kasi nilang sundin sa letra ang Maastricht Treaty, kaya ayan, pabagsak na ang Europe. Of course, hindi iyan maiintindihan ng mga mangmang na ito.

  115. tootpik permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    “This is the primary reason why our top Keynesian economist, Gloria Arroyo, turned to foreign lenders because she was afraid to increase our tax rates owing to her un-popularity.”

    –Alam mu ba ang kasaysayan ng pangmundong ekonomiya? Ang pinagsasabi mu ay purong haka-haka.

    Si Ayn Rand ay isang pseudo-philosopher kaya hindi healthy na ibase mu sa kanya lamang as to kun paano ka titingin sa mga bagay bagay. Mas marami pa sa bilang ng buhok mu ang mga ideya’t ideolohiya na ngpapatakbo sa mundong to. Marami schools of thought sa economics, kun makaasta ka talagang taboo ang marxismo. Meron ako propesor sa UP, maka-kapitalista pero idol si Marx. Wag mu sabihin mas marami ka pa alam sa titser ko e may doctorate un. Si Ayn Rand kaya intindihin sa isang upuan lang, si Marx habang buhay na pinagaaralan. Ang marxismo ay bahagi ng mga CRITICAL theories na kinabibilangan din ng feminismo, postcolonial theory etc. Wala sa grupong yan ang Objectivism na mukang sinasamba mu. Tama na yang ilusyon mu sa babaeng yan. Palawakin mu pa ang iyong isipan.

    Bakit marami ngrereact sayo? kasi mali mali ang datos mu. seryoso. Masyado ka ring naka-pokus sa depinisyon ng ‘rights’. Pwede kasi maraming ibig sabihin un. iba sa somalia, iba sa n.korea, iba sa muslim, iba sa aborigine sa australia. bigyan mko ng pangalan ng socio o anthro teacher na naniniwala sa mga pananaw mu at talagang mabibigla ako. theres no such thing as absolute. theres no such thing as objectivism.

    Ayaw mu sa tax kasi legalized theft pero supporter ka ng free-market? Pwede magsulat ka ng librong kasing kapal ng Das Kapital (kasama na un lahat ng equations dun) kun paano magiging posible iyon sa isang sociodad gaya ng pilipinas kasi sobrang naguguluhan ako.

    Ang totoo hindi ako naniniwala na ang edukasyon ay isang karapatan (kasi kulang pa ang kaalaman ko patungkol sa ganitong bagay) pero naniniwala ako na para umunlad ang bansang ito, kailangang ang edukasyon ay maging accessible at affordable. dahil sa edukasyon mapapaunlad natin ang ating mga sarili at tungkulin ng pamahalaan na siguruhin na walang naalienate.

    oo sumasama ako sa rally. pag sumisigaw sila na ang edukasyon ay karapatan, tahimik lng ako pero pag ang chant taasan ang badyet, pati mga kuko ko sa daliri sumisigaw. kainis nga di ako marining ng mga de-kotse. lumalaban ako kasi rationally selfish ako.

  116. skipper permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Basic education is a right, UP education is a privilege.

    • bcb permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      yes, UP education is a privilege. pero quality education in ALL levels is a right. =)

  117. tootpik permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    @ Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia

    mga readings na binibigay mu puro gawang banyaga, hndi sila rooted sa realidad at tunay na sitwasyon sa ilalim.

    bat di umuunlad ang Africa? (wag mu sabihing tamad sila kasi mga taga africa nagpakain sa Europa at Amerika) marami nang studies tungkol dun tsaka halos lahat ng foreign aid dun pumupunta. Kasi sabi ng isang puti ganito, sabi ng isang mataas ang ilong ganito. Kasi yang mga puting kuno’y intelektwal, sigaw ng sigaw ng teorya, bobo naman sa praktika.

    • Mises permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Ang teoryang mainam, too ayon sa lohika at sa praktika. Nakaka-awa ka naman na hindi mo pa nga nababasa ang mga nilalaman nung mga babasahin, sinasabi mo na agad na hindi angkop sa Pinas. Isa ka rin ba sa mga bobong gumagala sa Peyups?

      • tootpik permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Name calling again? wala na bang bago?

        hindi ko nga nabasa lahat lahat, alam ko naman kun san patungkol yan. hay nako.

        matagal nang test case ang africa at pilipinas sa mga teoryang inilalahad jan, e san tayo ngayon? ang pinoy nga naman, alila kahit kelan.

        pero para mapanatag ang loob mu, cge itatanong ko mamya sa vendor ng balut dito o di kaya sa driver ng traysikel kun tlgang mainam, tutal sila naman tlga nkakaramdam ng krisis.

    • Social Democracy sucks! permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Basahin mo naman muna pare bago ka mag-criticize. Libreng mga libro iyan!

      • haha permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        All UP students are open-minded daw. Maraming exceptions. Ludwig von Mises kicks their ASS.

  118. PRO VINCENTON permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    @Reading List for the Filipino Junior Intelligentsia

    tol tol tol,., hmm., sa tingin ko, yung mga nilagay mu na link/book about economics and philosophy (i supposed) ay galing sa ibang konsepto, sa ibang perspectibo. The writers of such books will tend to understand “economics” by their own perspective, in where they live in which it is affected by external factors (society) that affect their way of living. In such case, biases may form and which is may not be applicable in the Philippine state of affairs.

    sana tol if mag research ka man lang., sana yung sa perpectibo ng ating bansa and magiging basihan. hindi naman tayo pare pareho sa ibang bansa eh. iba ang situation at mga batas sa kanila at iba din yung sa atin.

    tsaka, sa tingin ko., nag papasikat lang ang blogger nah ito para siya ay maging sikat (syempre) ^_^

    • Mises permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Sa madaling salita, naniniwala ka na ang mga alituntunin ng economics ay iba-iba sa bawat bansa kaya gayun na lamang ang pagtaboy mo sa mga aklat na binigay niya?

      • PRO VINCENTON permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        OO., bakit, sa tingin mo pareho lang??

        kung di sanay walang mahirap at mayamang bansa kung ganoon lang!

      • tootpik permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        bat pa kasi pinagtutulakan e mahirap ngang iangkop. tapus kun hndi ka sasangayon, tatawagin kang bobo. FYI 98% kaya reading comprehension ko sa UPCAT

  119. memew ako permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    para sa lahat ng di makaintindi.

    sana kasi malaman nyo muna ang kalagayan ng TUNAY na naghihirap.
    UP na lang nga ang matatakbuhan dahil yun na lang ang eskwelehang nakakpagbigay samin ng pagkakataong makapag-aral at mabigyan ng edukasyon para sa ikauunlad namin at ng sambayanan.

    gusto ko rin sanang malaman nyo na hindi sa language nadedefine ang STUPIDITY ng isang tao.

  120. isangISKA permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    SUS!!! the issue with this blogger is that he is NOT a UPian.
    try muh mag aral sa UP bro!!! you are going to eat your words!!
    Pag makita or mabasa to ng mga totoong genius sa UP.. patay kang bata ka!!! rakrakan ka talaga ng mga criticisms!!! anung tingin muh sa parents ko?? hindi taxpayers???
    do you know that some UP students have to work part-time jobs just so they can continue studying in UP??? noon, nag-aaral ang tao para makapagtrabaho. ngayon nagtatrabaho para makapag-aral!!!! at ngayon gusto mo pang gawing private school ang UP?!?! may isa akong UP classmate na hindi nag-enroll ngayong sem para lang makapgtrabaho at maka-ipon para maka-enroll next sem!!! nasan na konsensya muh?? you were probably born and fed with golden spoon pero isipin mong may ibang mga tao na hinahanap pa ang spoon at hindi pa golden, plastik pah!!
    gusto muh ibato ko pa sayo ang mga barya ko??
    if i were you, i’d rather let the ground swallow me!!! kakahiya ka!!

    • tootpik permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      “may isa akong UP classmate na hindi nag-enroll ngayong sem para lang makapgtrabaho at maka-ipon para maka-enroll next sem!!!”

      –ako manager sa bangko nanay ko peru kailngan ko tumigil kasi bukod sa tuition, may loan pako kelangan bayaran. ganyan na kamahal ang matrikula sa UP!!!

      • isangISKA permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        tamaa ka jan! tootpik…

        nakautang nga ako ng bongga sa friend ko and until now hindi ko pa nababayaran kasi meron naman akong utang sa relative ko.. all because of the reason that i have to pay my tuition!!!
        akala pa nang parents ko makakahinga na sila dahil nakapasa ako sa UP.. hindi pala…

    • Dr Jones permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      Well said isangISKA…at hindi lang sa UP nangyayari yang mga kaso ng estudyanteng kailangan magtrabaho para makaipon ng pantuition.

  121. nikyuleta walampera permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    i think the writer of this blog SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF does he een understand what he ment by “steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan”. for the writers knowledge; THE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL or supposed to be but seems not anymore. it is but a DUMB thing to imply that a call for greater state subsidy may be tagged as STEALING or even making the tax payers as slaves. doesnt it even come to your mind that despite the hardship and criticism that are thrown to the people who fight for these subsidies, they still continue to. the top priority of the tax money allocation according to our law should be EDUCATION and an example of these are public schools.
    UP as a public school NEEDS government subsidy, for if not, it would be privatized (and that is what is happening right now) if this happens, where will the masses (the biggest tax paying people of the philippines and has the most number) study? would they be forced to stop their education even if they have great mental capacity? what would their future be? should they be forced to work receiving a lot less than what they need?
    what does “steal from Pedro in order to serve the need of Juan” mean? who is pedro and who is juan?? in my perspective, PEDRO is the corrupt individuals who steal what is for the people (in UP’s situation, he is the idiot who stole 13billion from the 18 billion who is supposedly for up students leaving them with a mere 5billiaon, a lot less than a half of what was supposed for them) and JUAN are the innocent tax payers who work hard but get less than what they deserve and pay a lot more for their basic needs because of big taxes that does not cater them well. so shouldnt the statement be the vice versa? ISNT IT PEDRO WHO IS STEALING FROM JUAN???
    this statement is such a hypocritical trash. all the writer thinks about is what such activities seem to him, doesnt he ever think that what these people do isnt just for their personal good but for the good of many? a lot of them can afford the tuition fees that they fight to lessen but they still fight because they think of those who cant. THEY ARE JUST FIGHTING TO GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHAT IS DUE TO THEM

    • Privatize UP permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      Mas mainam pa ngang isapribado ang UP. Mas gaganda ang facilities; mas tataas ang tsansang manalo ang UP MBT sa UAAP. Kung ayaw mong maniwala, THINK.

      • PRO VINCENTON permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        ehem ehem ehem., hindi naging unang prioridad ng UP ang manalo sa UAAP. Making us private?? hello?? ang masasabi ko lang DI KA TAGA UP!!

      • Privatize UP permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Hindi unang prayoridad, pero naglaan ng malaking halaga ang UPAA para magsanay sa Amerika ang UP MBT pero palpak?

        Isip-isipin mong mabuti na mas magagawa ng UP ang adhikain nito na magbigay ng de-kalidad na Edukasyon at mas mapainam ang programang pampalakasan nito kung nasa pribadong kamay ito.

      • nikyuleta walampera permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        oh my god!!! another nonsense…is that all you think about?!?!?! ang pag panalo sa UAAP and wat ever? ang babaw mo naman tol ok ka lg ba? up is supposed to be one of the best colleges. it caters INTELLIGENT people, not some non sense who only think about sports. wake up darling, anong mangyayari sa mga kasama nating nagugutom kung ang iniisip mo ay basketball lg? what a selfish remark! and for your info, ilang years na napatupad and tuition fee increase, hanggang ngayon d pa rin gumaganda ang facilities ng unibersidad, lumalala pa nga

      • Privatize UP permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Minsan, nagising ako sa reyalidad at ang mga nagpapakilala at kinikilalang matatalino ay masahol pa sa hayop.

        Pinapakilala nilang para sila sa mga mahihirap ngunit ang mga pilosopiya nila ang lalung nagpapahirap sa mamamayan.

        Gusto kong matulog na lamang at iwan ang reyalidad, ngunit naisip ko ring kung walang lalaban sa mga mangmang na ito, wala tayong magandang patutunguhan.

      • PRO VINCENTON permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        oo nga noh!! tama kah!! PRIVATE NA!!! Gaalleeeeeeeeenngg!!! hoooo.,

        pro nasan ang mga mag aaral?? nasan ang mga studyante?? sinong mag lalaro sa UAAP, sinong gagamit sa mga magagarang kagamitan ng UP??

        isipin mu kung sino ang mga studyante ng UP tol!!

        hindi ka man gid guro tga UP!

      • PRO VINCENTON permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        “. . .ang lalung nagpapahirap sa mamamayan”
        tama ba ang nabasa ko??
        ayusin mu nga pananalita mu tol bago kah “magising sa reyalidad” mo. . ungas ^_^

  122. weh permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    bottom line:
    walang kaalam alam ang blogger sa constitution ng pilipinas

    • Dr Jones permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      he probably never had a subject like that in wherever college he studied.

  123. Isa kang weh permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Bottom Line: Kailangan mo ng remedial reading class.

  124. Grabe ka. permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Grabe ka lang kuya/ate. Naiiyak ako sa pinagsasasabi mo. Nagagalit ako sayo sobra. I can’t believe may mga taong tulad mo.

  125. Nakikibaka permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Hindi dapat itinutuon ang problema sa edukasyon sa iisang pamantasan lamang. Hindi porket UP lang ang nakikipaglaban para sa subsidiya sa edukasyon ay ibig sabihin na niyang UP lang ang nangangailangan.

    Hindi rin dapat sisihin ang mga nagbabayad ng buwis, kung nagagalit man sila na tila pinapasan nila ang pagpapaaral sa mga taga-UP. Oo, naiintindihan naman namin na ayaw niyong ilaan ang pera niyo sa mga taong hindi niyo kilala, lalo na sa mga estudyanteng hindi niyo naman alam kung makakapagtapos o hindi.

    Pero isipin niyo rin naman na ang mga aktibista ay hindi makikibaka kung walang dapat ipaglaban. Higit pa sa iniisip ng nakararami ang metodolohiya at ideyolohiya na ginagamit ng mga aktibista para magbuwis ng buhay sa mga mass movements at rallies; may mga pamilya rin silang nag-aalala para sa kanila, pero alam ng mga aktibista ang dapat nilang ipaglaban, at pinag-aaralan muna nila ang mga bagay-bagay bago sila sumabak sa lansangan.

    Sa may-akda nito, sana tinanong mo ang isang napakahalagang tanong na, marahil ay puno’t dulo ng problema sa subsidiya ng edukasyon: SAAN NAPUPUNTA ANG BUWIS NA BINABAYAD NG MGA PILIPINO?

    Kapag nasagot ‘yan, liliit ang argumento, dahil lalabas talaga kung sino ang mga tunay na biktima — at sa tingin ko, hindi lang mga Iskolar ng Bayan na tinitira rito; sana maisip niyo rin na maraming hindi nakakapag-aral, maraming mahihirap na umaasa sa subsidiya, mga magsasaka at manggagawang umaasa rin sa buwis na dapat ipinapaikot ng gobyerno. Huwag nating isara ang mga utak natin. Hindi dapat mahati sa dalawang bahagi ang isyung ito; hindi lamang mga taga-UP at mga galit sa taga-UP ang saklaw ng buong problema ng Pilipinas.

    • Abolish the University of the Philippines permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      To repeat what I said in an earlier post:

      There would still be no improvement even if corruption ceased starting tomorrow.

      There is no such thing as profit and loss in the government. Bureaucrats don’t stand to gain profit if they do a good thing, and they don’t stand to acquire any losses if they do bad things. They actually get a higher budget the next year if they do bad this year. The worse public education gets, the more the masses will cry and ask for more spending, the more money the bureaucrats will get. But this is just a minor point, the main point is that government undermines the price system so it can NEVER know whether or not it is doing good or bad, to put more precisely, it can never satisfy demand the way business does. Even if the government were filled with angels, government would still create shortages and dismal quality of services. The problem with government is not intellectual, it is not psychological, it is not the character of government officials, the problem with government is economic CALCULATION.

      (Tingnan nyo ang reading list sa itaas na pinost ng ibang commenter)

      • Nakikibaka permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        Hindi ako dalubhasa sa ekonomiya, kaya hindi ko po kayang sipatin ang mga sinabi mo. Pero sang-ayon ako sa nabanggit na malaking problema ang pagkuha ng suma ng gobyerno pagdating sa mga pinansyal na alokasyon sa Pilipinas. Nagiging bulag ang karamihan na hindi naman talaga “transparent” ang ginagawa ng gobyerno natin. Hindi nakapagtatakang maraming nakakalusot na mga negosyanteng hindi nagbabayad ng buwis, at pati na rin ang mga pulitikong nangungurakot at nangongotong. Kung gayon, kahit na ito ay isa lamang mababaw na pag-oobserba sa tonong pulitikal at ekonomiyal ng bansa, masasabi pa rin ba nating walang karapatang ang UP na humingi ng tulong? Wala tayong karapatan na sisihin ang mga institusyong tulad ng nabanggit na humingi ng subsidiya mula sa gobyerno, dahil marahil alam ng mga estudyante na hindi nila nararamdaman ang dapat na benepisyong nakararating sa kanila.

        Sa uulitin, huwag nating isarado ang mga isip natin. Hindi lang ang mga estudyante ang naghihinaing ng pondo at marapat na tulong mula sa gobyerno (na kanila naman talagang responsibilidad, sa puno’t dulo ng usapan) kung hindi marami pang mga sektor ng lipunan na dapat ay mas tinutugunan ng oras upang tulungan, at hindi para pag-awayan lamang.

  126. July 27, 2010 3:38

    Separate State from Education!
    https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/separate-state-from-education/

  127. papansin ka lang.no1 believes you. permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    yaan nyo na yan.haha.kasama niya ung mga elitista niyang dabarkads nag gustong maghari.
    mga pasikat. wala naman laman….

    God bless na lang.
    ikaw na yata ang isa sa mga taong hindi ko makakalimutan sa blog na ito.
    next time, objectivity talaga ung kelangan mo para ung mga tao eh maging objective din mag-react sayo.kaya namumura buong angkan mo eh. header pa nga ng page mo diba?

    ingat.

  128. incognito permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    disgusting arguments. unfitting to even look at. just shows the dismal education people receive in the Philippines.

  129. Rhomz permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    You got to understand what philosophy the blogger follows before you guys make any comment. Kita nyo na nga purong Randroid sya so kahit anong gawin nyong pag rarason dyan di makikinig yan. At ang pagiging selfish nya, para sa kanya ay isang virtue. Countless moralizing and condemnation sa thread na ito ay example lang ng pagiging objectivist. Kung ako sa inyo tawanan nyo na lang sya kasi nagmamagaling sya base sa pilosopiyang hindi tinanggap ng majority ng mga iskolar sa daigdig dahil nga sa pag aabuso ng ideyang ito at sa paggamit sa di wastong pamamaraan… tulad na lang sa blog na ito (binasa ko lahat ng blog ng blogger at tama ang hinala ko, isang Randroid)

    at hindi ako taga UP sa abroad ako nag aral at wag ko ng sabihin baka sabihin ng blogger eh nagmamagaling ako eh from that reason tutungo sya sa another reason then another then another then coconvince nya na yun ang absolute truth and then lalaitin nya ang character ko. I just wonder why karamihan ng mga Randroid eh ganito pag uugali. LOL

    • July 27, 2010 3:38

      @ Rhomz ibig sabihin isa kang BITTER NA TROLL. Bakit? Kasi wala kang magandang argument so kung anu-ano na pinagsasabi mo. Katulad ka rin ng mga komunista na mga sinungaling at magaling sa propaganda at conspiracy theory. Kakatawa ka hahaha!

      “at hindi ako taga UP sa abroad ako nag aral at wag ko ng sabihin baka sabihin ng blogger eh nagmamagaling ako eh from that reason tutungo sya sa another reason then another then another then coconvince nya na yun ang absolute truth and then lalaitin nya ang character ko.”

      Sige nga pakitaan mo nga kami ng magaling mong English kung hindi ka troll. San ka ba graduate, troll na bobo? Ayaw kong manlait pero nakakatawa at nakakaawa ka. Para kang pumunta rito para magkalat lang haha. Ganyang ang mga bobo at tanga. Puro lang yabang. Graduate daw sa abroad. Oo ako rin. Graduate sa Harvard at Yale. Laban ka?!

      • Rhomz permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        Ay ano meron sa English? Yun ba kailangan para masabing magaling? Babaw naman yata. Pero ang galing naman, di pa ako nagmamagaling eh sinabi mo na na nagmamagaling na ako. Pano pa kayo kung nagmagaling ako? Troll na kung troll. Go lang ng go sa lait kung dyan ka sasaya. LoLz. At di ako graduate sa Yale at Harvard, di din sa US. Hulaan mo dali! At di ako makiki argue sa iyo, (o eto na, handa ka na, magmamagaling na ako: ) Kasi di kita kalevel!!! Ahahahahahaha

    • Dr Jones permalink
      July 29, 2010 3:38

      Randroid…that’s a good one.

      “Kita nyo na nga purong Randroid sya so kahit anong gawin nyong pag rarason dyan di makikinig yan.”…in short, froivinber’s pigheaded.

  130. July 27, 2010 3:38

    anong dapat na solusyon kung ganun upang lahat makapag aral? o magkaroon ng edukasyon?

    • echoserang bio student permalink
      July 27, 2010 3:38

      grabe naman kuya, sikat ka na.
      gawin ko rin kaya ito? pero hindi na rin, kasi malamang gagamitin ko yung utak ko sa pagsusulat ng blog. naniniwala kasi ako sa libreng paggamit ng utak.🙂

      ayos lang yan..ipagpatuloy mo lang iyang ginagawa, matutuwa sa iyo si Ayn Rind.
      akalain mong may naniniwala sa kaniya?

      ayun, ipinagdarasal ko kay bathala, harinawang hindi ka makasalubong ng isang UPian, o kahit ung isang kabataang uhaw sa edukasyon, kasi gusto ko pang mabasa yung mga susunod mong blogposts. ingat ka, kasi karapatan mong mabuhay, katulad ng milyun-milyong kabataan na may karapatan din para sa isang accesible, at de kalidad na edukasyon, tulad ng mga katutubo at magsasakang may karapatan sa sariling lupa, tulad ng mga manggagawang may karapatan sa mas mataas na sahod at maayos na benepisyo..tulad mo, tulad ko, tulad nila, may mga karapatan at responsibilidad ng gobyerno na tugunan ang lahat ng ito.

      ay, oo nga pala kuya. aktibista po ako. aktibista ako dahil may adbokasiya akong baguhin ang sistema ng gobyerno. adbokasiyang ipaglaban ang karapatan ng mga mamamayan, kasama na ikaw. may hangarin akong lumaya ang mga mamamayan sa kahirapan at panunupil ng isang burukrata kapitalistang lipunan. at oo kuya, tumitindig ako at nagiging pangahas upang magtanong at maging boses ng mga pipi sa gabi, ng mga taong nakabalot ng tanikalang mahirap alpasan.

      at panghuli kuya, sana hindi maranasan ng mga susunod pang henerasyon mo ang kahirapang nararanasan ng nakararami.

      sana ikaw na yung huling hindi gagamit ng utak, sana..

      pagpalain ka ng mga espirito ni Inang Kalikasan, gabayan ka nawa ni Bathala..

      • echoserang bio student permalink
        July 27, 2010 3:38

        erratum:
        rand instead of rind..
        LOLZ

  131. Abolish ALL public schools permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    The hard truth is that government-run education is what causes the intellectual bankruptcy and self-denying attitude that makes Filipinos elect a president just because his mother died (I’m sorry, but if you just take a minute to think about the real motivations for electing Noynoy, you will see that they are all founded on emotion, not reason or evidence). The tyranny of good intentions that Noynoy brings will push us further into despotism.

  132. wkdp permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    Thank you for your ignorance.

  133. anon permalink
    July 27, 2010 3:38

    TL;DR

    The point is, THIS BLOG POST IS STUPID ENOUGH AS IT IS.

  134. July 28, 2010 3:38

    ahhmmm… alam ko naligo ka na sa madugong comments kuya…
    nasabi mo kasi na graduate ka na noh?
    sa’n ka ba nagtapos?
    makikita kasi na isa kang ever successful na individual noh…
    pero wag mo naman hamakin ang mga UPian tol…
    pakiusap lang, kasi, baka balikan ka ni Chiz sa mga sinasabi mong yan…
    and you have the balls to mislead the non-UPians to turn against us?
    wag ka namang ganyan, maawa ka sa sarili mo…
    di ko sinasabing tama ka or mali ka…
    ang akin lang eh, sa post mo, pinapakita mo lang na ikaw ay isang intellectual troll at isang copy paster from wikipedia…
    alam mo, subukan mong pumunta sa mga lugar kung saan naandon ang mga UP campuses, at makikita mo kung gaano kami ka-oppressed…
    tsaka, di naman kami communist lahat tol…
    kasi, in the first place, stereotype kasi yang utak mo na communists ay RED, NPA, terrorists…
    which explains YOUR ignorance and extreme stupidity…
    research kang konti kuya kung ano ang Marxism ok?
    kinain na talaga ng maka-capitalistang bansang to ang apathy mo…
    wag kang padala tol, nagiging unprofessional ka sa latter part ng replies mo…
    kung gusto mong i-privatize ang UP, eh di gawin mong public ang La Salle…
    para switch places tayo…
    i respect your opinion kasi “right” mo yun…
    but never ever dare to defame us…
    you only have the right to post something like this kung 3rd richest man in the world ka na…
    magaling ka naman mag-sulat kaya lang sobrang daming plagiarized parts…
    ma-dedemanda ka nyan…
    (that is IF meron kang idea kung ano ang plagiarism, which is I doubt)
    aral ka ulit ng grade 5 kuya, kasi kahit UP High School student kayang isulat ang TROLL POST mo…
    wag kang magalit masyado…
    tsaka paabono ka ng dugo ha, kasi alam ko ilang raw ka nang DUGO ILONG sa posts naming mga ever genius UPians…
    ok lang yan, inaasahan na namin yan sa mga defective professionals na tulad mo…
    di ka kasi ever makakapasa kahit Math 1 lang dito…
    imbecilic IQ ka lang kasi…
    -salamat…

  135. July 28, 2010 3:38

    My God! You are making a whole lot of fallacious arguments in this post! I’m sure you’re not from UP kaya malakas ang loob mo magcomment ng ganyan plus hindi pa tama arguments mo. Your whole post is a fallacy, man! I don’t understand why you have to write something this stupid and without enough basis? What’s your point? Pasikat? Do not overgeneralize us UP students, dahil kung tutuusin, hindi naman talaga kami lahat ganyan. I sincerely hope you can back your words up.

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      Why not back up your words. If you’re from UP, then you must be either an idiot or an ignorant. Read the blog and try to refute it. If… you think at all.

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      The Dancing Banana is so pathetically funny. She said: “You are making a whole lot of fallacious arguments in this post!”
      Well, I’d like to see the fallacious arguments. Why not try to enumerate the fallacious arguments stated in the blog? Perhaps it is proper for her to start with the concept of rights. To stupid Dancing Banana: What, to you, is the proper concept of rights? Can you please tell us and stop being a childish?
      You said: “Your whole post is a fallacy, man!” I don’t think if you’re an idiot of crazy. First, present your whole argument before making such a stupid claim. ARE YOU ARE IDIOT?!

      YOU SAID: “I don’t understand why you have to write something this stupid and without enough basis?”
      Simple: You don’t understand BECAUSE YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!!
      YOU SAID: “What’s your point? Pasikat?”
      The point is: your stupidity is now becoming so alarming. Someone must tell the truth. Does it hurt na nasapawan ka at na-expose ang KABOBOHAN MO?
      YOU SAID: “I’m sure you’re not from UP kaya malakas ang loob mo magcomment ng ganyan plus hindi pa tama arguments mo.”
      I’M VERY MCUH SURE YOU’RE FROM UP KASI BOPOLS KA! Look at your rants, it’s nothing but an empty shell. Wala ka man lang argument kundi ang pathetic mong KABOBOHAN!
      YOU SAID: “I sincerely hope you can back your words up.”
      Well, this is the funniest thing of all. The blogger made a series of blogs to back up her words. IF YOU’RE NOT REALLY AN IDIOT, you should have read the other posts before EXPOSING YOUR IDIOCY HERE. From UP? Yeah, right! IDIOT KA NGA! KAKAAWA KA!

  136. potpot permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    Okay ito ah, may rightwing anarchism na pala sa Pilipinas. Simple lang: Buy a gun, protect your women, harvest your fields, grow your own food and educate your kids at home (para walang sex education at evolution). Fantastic. Sana dumami kayo.

    • Free Market Education is Best for the Poor permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      Lolz.. hahaha actually mas mabuti pa ayan kesa sa sistema natin ngayon sa Pilipinas. Culture and morals in the Philippines are actually devolving…..

      • Sublimeation permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        You are one funny man FREE MARKET.

        Potpot’s post is a mockery of what you anarchists are trying to suggest because it is absolutely impossible. You just cant seperate yourself from society.

        Oneida Colony, Harmony, New Harmony. Sounds familiar? Theyre all utopian communities established in the US not so long ago. And they all failed. UTOPIAN PIE-IN-THE-SKY BA.

        What do you guys really know of politics? of sociology? economics at least? eh? You guys boastfully talk about free-market capitalism when you cant even mention the concept of ‘growth without equity’ that it is closely associated with.

        NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC IF HE/SHE CANT EVEN GET HIS/HER FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! at yan ang naging unang kamalian ng blogger.

        This blog has few valid points but still all in all FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS. LEFTIST PROFESSORS? YOU GUYS DONT EVEN HAVE AN IDEA KUNG ILAN SILA! ABOLISH TAXATION? CMON. LAST TIME I CHECKED, THE MOST KNOWN PROPONENTS OF LAISSEZ FAIRE CAPITALISM ARE THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO INCREASE VAT BY 15% ..GUYS ONLY FIT TO ENTER UP ARE THOSE FREE-MARKET FREAKS? In here I will be repeating what others have said again and again–YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN THE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES.

        The writer also is being too philosophical without recognizing the need to apply these ‘theories’ in a scientific way in a society such as ours. Believing in objectivism is worse than being a die-hard Commie. Its like believing that you can win a world war without having to use force.

        It is easy for you people to label non-conformists as ‘bobo’, leftist bla bla bla when you cant even correctly identify what Marxism is. Shame. Dont even start on me. MY HEAD IS BIGGER THAN YOU KIDDO AND PROUD OF BEING FROM UP AND IM ONLY 18. A 2nd year UP Polsci can explain better wat objectivism is, the difference communism and national liberation movements and why Ayn Rand is fuckin nuts. WHATS SO DISAPPOINTING ABOUT THIS BLOG IS THE ARROGANCE OF THE BLOGGER AND HIS STRAWMEN. SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO LISTEN. THERES AN ENDLESS HORIZON IN THIS WORLD.

        PARA SA BLOGGER:
        NAKAKATUWA TONG BLOG MU PERO HINDI ITO BEBENTA SA MGA ISKOLAR. MASYADONG LIMITED ANG PERSPEKTIBO KUNG SAAN KA NANGGAGALING.

      • WOWW permalink
        April 28, 2014 3:38

        @Sublimeation…wag kang masyadong mayabang porket 2nd year college ka…ako nga hs pa lang eh mas matalino pa ako sayo

  137. Freshie permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    to the author:
    you created a whole new theory out of your copy-pasted theories from the internet. Doing this kind of writing never passed anyones standard of writing. or can i call this a draft for a primary-school-level’s publication? Your ideas are ideas of others you just combined to make it yours. it is illegal, you know? ever heard of plagiarism?
    i’d like to say what goes in my mind right now. some of them are comments for the blog, while other may be comments for the other comments.
    -others, are just emotional. be radical.
    -i don’t agree with privatization of schools and other establishments. hello? have you heard of the state of the nation? why would you think the government should prioritize the few upper classes?- to get more taxes.to have more money in their pockets. to stay in position.to have a LUXURIOUS lifestyle they want. but if this ever happens, what would it be like to the majority? they’ll become poorer. they’ll grieve more on their state and their losses. and what does the elitist do? suppress them more or simply just pity them because they think these majority are collective people with no use. ohhhh. how great could that be? suppressing the poor to be great ones. and you think that makes this country better? what would the others think?huh? or what would your mentors(rand, marxist) think of you? a murderer. then- pursue this if it makes you HAPPY, but don’t regret if sooner or later you’ll get less income. because you just killed all your workers. hah! for sure, no elitist would like to have a job on the lowest position. because they all want MORE MONEY.
    -the budget for education is 3%, and a huge amount of money goes to the public school. well, maybe because, private schools do not need this. they have their own money. but you think all of it goes to the beneficiaries? nope. it will spent on the salaries of the employees. spent on infracstructures. on programs. on seminars. lastly facilities. with the fast improving technology, the quality of facilities become better, and the price of it increases. so the schools bid for the lowest price(comes with it is the lowest quality facilities) and orders for it. and since the government are slow-paying-institution, facilities arrive late. like 2-3years after the purchase. and it would outdated-and -phased-out model, that needs to replaced again. while waiting for the replacement, the students suffers. ohh. if only the government works better.
    BUT, fortunately, students, with their great minds, find ways to cope up with these lack-of-facilities-schools and study. it think these students who suffers from having this lack of facilities gets some advantage to the reality unlike in private schools, wherein students are spoonfed which they think is a way to make them great. you see, in reality, outside school, you are not spoonfed, your mentors will not be there to tell you what to do in case you encounter problems. maybe, studying in private school has an advantage of having the latest technology. but these is of no use because the reality is way different.
    -i am a taxpayer. i do pay taxes to serve the country. i maybe classified as the productive members of the society. and if the serving the country means serving the good of these social beneficiaries.i will gladly pay the taxes dutifully. hello? what’s the point of making the productive ones more productive, when it is better to make the untrained(potentially productive) become productive? it will increase the productivity of the country right? and soon. no one will become poor or suppressed.
    rich has the ambition to be the top one, why can’t the poor?
    i dont know neither the constitution nor about the rights. but based on the definitions you just gave. i think, the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the same as the right to have the basic needs.
    education. is education a right? yes. you said the government protects the right of its people. what if the people wants education, then the government should protect its people and give them education. in our case(in the philippines), most of the families prioritizes education, and thinks education is the best gift they can give to they’re children.
    should education be free/subsidized? yes and no. yes, if and only if the government can support it. no if the government is a big failure. in our case, yes. the government has enough funds, if only it could properly allocate its budget. -end-

    when i was a kid, i wonder why do people rally and get hurt and sometimes killed in the streets just to shout for what’s written in their banners. i thought they were stupids. but come to think of it , they’re trying to save millions of people by asking the government to think properly and give these millions of people a quality education either free or subsidized.
    in my experience and encounter with these rallyist, i realized many things. hey. they EXCEL IN SCHOOL BETTER THAN MOST OF US in our school. because they’re grades can be rulered and still they can go to streets and rally. while us, who sacrifices social life and sleep got only satisfactory grades.
    i dont want to argue. i just want to give some detailed informations on reality. not just mere theories we read on books. i have read most of the books here, that my prof required me to read before. theories are still theories in the end, and can never be generalized.
    everyone. go back to your parents, get some manners.
    what i hate about this site is the lack of respect. up students are stupid? what if i say, elitists are stupid. or what if i say, all of you are stupid. or students from University belt are stupid. how will that appeal to you?

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      If you’re a freshie, then you must be so stupid.

      YOU SAID: “you created a whole new theory out of your copy-pasted theories from the internet. Doing this kind of writing never passed anyones standard of writing. or can i call this a draft for a primary-school-level’s publication? Your ideas are ideas of others you just combined to make it yours. it is illegal, you know? ever heard of plagiarism?”

      Do you know what plagiarism is? Kindly cite examples of copy-pasted online items not were NOT properly cited? Plagiarism is borrowing of ideas, quotations, and entries from another author/writer without proper attribution. Is this offense committed here? This is done by your favorite newspaper columnists. When the blogger posted UP’s meaning of Oblation and the opinion of Mr. Tolentino, he acknowledged the source of the information and provided links to the entries borrowed. Is this plagiarism?
      When the blogger quoted Ayn Rand and others, he acknowledged the source of the information. Is this plagiarism. This is an OPINION entry, not a thesis or dissertation. Do you know the difference between the two, stupid freshie? Do you ever know what you’re talking about?
      The rest of your rants is NONSENSE, as you’re simply exposing your plain idiocy!

      • July 28, 2010 3:38

        let’s not attack the personality of the person just because his views do not comply with ours. as you mentioned, this blog is opinion based, thus it is expected that those who would comment may have dissenting opinion on the author’s and to the other readers.

        now regarding the issue raised on education being a right: salus populi est suprema lex. i assume the author here is a student of law given the way he used his words. he would then understand that in a republican-democratic country – like the Philippines – the welfare of the people is the supreme law of the land. the pursue of quality education subsidized for the greater welfare of the majority of Filipinos who cannot afford to pay high tuition fees in private institutions is definitely worth taking.

        now these UP students are just claiming what is basically rightful for the general public. it is constitutionally mandated that Filipinos have the right to quality education. something that is on the premise why these UP students continue their efforts for higher state subsidy on education – education as a whole and not just for the University of the Philippines.

        i understand that this may not appeal to the author given his obvious inclination to the philosophy of Ayn Rand – someone whom I respect as well, but i hope it would appeal to him that the philosophy of egotism will not generally apply to all situations especially in a society wherein it is the people who is upheld more than anything else. this may not be in the pursuit of one’s own personal happiness, but this may be taken to view as a means to achieve general happiness for everyone. the common good, a state of higher utility (to sum up for everyone).

        i guess i would like to commend the author for coming up with such topics that invite debate. at least in a way we can pour in our ideas and learn from each other. i just hope that we can respect as well others’ views and stand on the topics posted here.

      • July 28, 2010 3:38

        Check my comment HERE.

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      Stupid kasi si Freshie from UP kaya hindi niya alam yang mga yan. Siguro lagi siyang nasa rally kaya wala siyang alam lol! Ganyan naman ang karamihang taga-UP puro ere at yabang lang sila. Wala naman talaga silang alam eh. Puro rally at protests ang nasa utak nila. At dito sila sa comment section nagkakalat ng kanilang KABOBOHAN HAHAHA!

      • ikaw ang stupid, Stupid Freshie permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        huwag kang magsasalita ng parang alam mo ang lahat tungkol sa mga taga-up at lahat ng mga aktibista!..dahil sa katotohanan, ikaw ang siyang MANGMANG sa katotohanan tungkol sa lipunan!

        naitanong mo na ba sa sarili mo kung bakit nag-rarally ang mga tao? ang mga aktibista? ang mga taga-UP?..sa tingin mo ba nagrarally sila para maging “cool” at magpasikat lamang?..

        nagrarally ang tao/mamamayan dahil may mali sa sistema!..gumagawa ng mga aksyong masa dahil grabe na ang pang-aapi at pagsasamantala na nararanasan ng mamamayan!..

        dagdag din, para malaman mo, base sa kasaysayan ng ating bansa, ang mga reporma at ang ilang kalayaang natatamasa natin ngayon ay hindi basta-bastang ibinigay agad sa atin..ito ay ipinaglaban at pinagbuwisan ng buhay ng maraming mga aktibista, ng ilang libong mga mamamayang Pilipino na buo ang paninindigan para sa kung ano ang tama!..isang magandang halimbawa nito ay ang ginawang mga pagkilos ng kabataang noong martial law..sa panahong iyon nilusaw ni marcos ang lahat ng mga konseho ng mag-aaral, publikasyon, organisasyon at ibang mga youth formations..ngunit dahil nga ipinaglaban ito ng mga naunang Iskolar ng bayan at ng mga martir noong panahon ng pasistang rehimen ni Marcos, kapalit ng dugo ng maraming mga kabataan, estudyante at ilang mga indibidwal, napagtagumpayan nilang maibalik ang mga youth ang students’ formations na ito..

        kung sa palagay mo walang silbi ang pagrarally, ba’t di mo balikan ang History 1 mo!..

    • July 28, 2010 3:38

      @ Freshie… Kung Freshie ka man, TROLL KA. Freshie what? Freshie sa UTAK? Kaya pala BOBO KA.

      Here’s what you said: “-i am a taxpayer. i do pay taxes to serve the country. i maybe classified as the productive members of the society. and if the serving the country means serving the good of these social beneficiaries.”

      TAXPAYER?!!!!!!! HSDSODVSNAEDBkewlwjw!!!!! THAT’S BULLSHIT!

      • para kay TROLL Freshie permalink
        July 29, 2010 3:38

        lahat tayo ay mga tax payers – may trabaho mn o wala, bata mn o matanda..

        ngbabayad tayo ng tax although maliit lamang through VAT mula sa mga pinambili nating mga kagamitan, pagkain, etc.

  138. July 28, 2010 3:38

    Okay, let’s wrap it up. Based on what I read on this comment section, IT IS PROVEN THAT:

    1. Most UP commenters are STUPID/IDIOT or both!

    2. Most UP commenters are Lefttists/Socialists.

    3. Most UP commenters don’t ever know what they’re talking about.

    4. Most UP commenters are MAYAYABANG, as they adduced such invalid arguments as “hindi nakapasa sa UPCAT,” “hindi ka kasi taga-UP”, etc.

    4. Most UP commenters know nothing about politics and economics.

    5. Most UP commenters are DANGEROUS TO OUR LIVES AND LIMBS!

    6. Most UP commenters are BOBO!

    7. Most UP commenters are BASTOS!

    8. Most UP commenters are TROLLS!

    9. Most UP commenters are a threat to this country and to our freedom.

    10. Most UP commenters are INSANE!

    Therefore, it is for the benefit of this nation and of everybody to PRIVATIZE UP and other public universities!

    • xtian17 permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      please be aware that you are just referring to UPians who have just commented in this blog… however, this should not be the reason to privatize UP and other public universities…

      judge your conclusion; it is illogical, right?

      • Dude permalink
        July 28, 2010 3:38

        @xtian17

        The fundamental reason behind the author’s call to privatize UP is philosophical: What is the proper role of government? Should the government redistribute wealth? Should the government provide education for all?
        Froilan answers in the negative. That means, even if all UP students behaved rationally in this blog, that would not affect our position against state-subsidized education.

    • nobody.... permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      to libertarian:

      wow…. gling ng conclusion mo ah……..cge nga.. prove that hindi ka BOBO, BASTOS, THREAT SA BAYANG ITO at sinasabi mo that you may know everything….

      prove mo nga ito…… at anu bah magagawa mo para sa bansa na ito?????

    • Rhomz permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      Proven talaga!? Ibang klase! Ibang level!

    • ikaw ang stupid, Stupid Freshie permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      alam mo ba kung bakit pinagpiyestahan ng maraming mga UP students ang blog na ito?..iyon ay dahil puro mali ang mga nakasaad dito!..nagkakalat kayo ng mga maling impormasyon!..bago kayo magkomenta na para bang bilib na bilib kayo sa mga sarili niyo, ba’t di n’yo munang subukan na pag-aralan ang ating lipunan?..o kahit sa minimum, mag-BMI kayo sa UP at sa mga state universities and colleges nang mamulat nmn kayo!

    • Huwawww! permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      Wow. Ibang klase si Libertarian ah, lumevel up!
      Imba ka naman ‘tol. Proven na talaga? Swear?
      Promise? Iba ah! Galing galing mo naman. Akalain
      mong nakapagconclude ka ng ganyan, HONNEPPP.
      Isama ka na dapat sa mga great thinkers ng mundo,
      galing mo magconclude at magtakda ng mga proven statements eh.

      Hay. Nakakasawa naman basahin yung ibang comments na puro
      katangahan lang, libre naman mag-isip, ayaw gamitin utak? Bawal ba, bawal?
      Oh ano, babanat na naman kayo na bobo ba ko, ang yabang ko at ano pa man? Paulit-ulit,
      walang bagong panglaban para makapagpanggap na matalino at alam ang tunay na kalagayan ng ibang tao?

      Oo sige bobo na nga siguro ako.
      Tatalino niyo kasi para sabihan ng bobo ang mga taga-UP na ang tanging ginagawa lang dito
      ay idefend ang unibersidad nila at ang pananaw ng mga rallyista. Kayo na matalino.
      Sige pagkalat niyo na kung saan kayong schools nanggaling at magpasikatan na kayo.
      IMBA EH, IMBA. Tatalino talaga, sobrang talino sarap lutuin ng mga utak at gawing isaw,
      benta sa UPD para masaya, kaso nakakasuka siguro un para sa mga kakain,
      MALAMANG SOBRANG PAIT. Bitter eh😛

      Good job good job, you are now being given all the attention that you want.
      Bless all of you who pretends to know, when in fact, know nothing at all.
      May you succeed in life and someday, when you have your own families,
      may your children be blessed with the best education, because, it is afterall,
      their rights.

    • Huwawww! permalink
      July 28, 2010 3:38

      Wow. Ibang klase si Libertarian ah, lumevel up!
      Imba ka naman ‘tol. Proven na talaga? Swear?
      Promise? Iba ah! Galing galing mo naman. Akalain
      mong nakapagconclude ka ng ganyan, HONNEPPP.
      Isama ka na dapat sa mga great thinkers ng mundo,
      galing mo magconclude at magtakda ng mga proven statements eh.

      Hay. Nakakasawa naman basahin yung ibang comments na puro
      katangahan lang, libre naman mag-isip, ayaw gamitin utak? Bawal ba, bawal?
      Oh ano, babanat na naman kayo na bobo ba ko, ang yabang ko at ano pa man? Paulit-ulit,
      walang bagong panglaban para makapagpanggap na matalino at alam ang tunay na kalagayan ng ibang tao?

      Oo sige bobo na nga siguro ako.
      Tatalino niyo kasi para sabihan ng bobo ang mga taga-UP na ang tanging ginagawa lang dito
      ay idefend ang unibersidad nila at ang pananaw ng mga rallyista. Kayo na matalino.
      Sige pagkalat niyo na kung saan kayong schools nanggaling at magpasikatan na kayo.
      IMBA EH, IMBA. Tatalino talaga, sobrang talino sarap lutuin ng mga utak at gawing isaw,
      benta sa UPD para masaya, kaso nakakasuka siguro un para sa mga kakain,
      MALAMANG SOBRANG PAIT. Bitter eh😛

      Good job good job, you are now being given all the attention that you want.
      Bless all of you who pretends to know, when in fact, know nothing at all.
      May you succeed in life and someday, when you have your own families,
      may your children be blessed with the best education, because, it is afterall,
      their right.

  139. smile:) permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    are you damn?! di mo ba naiintindihan na naghihirap mga magulang namin para lang sa intik na tuition na yan. kaya nga kami nag-aral sa UP kasi mura yung tuition. tapos bigla na lang susulpot ‘tong TOFI na ‘to. hello?! kamusta naman mga magulang ko. pareho kaya silang walang trabaho at umaasa lang ako sa padala ng kapatid ko na nagtatrabaho sa isang company sa manila. hello kamusta naman pinaghihirapan niya.
    di ka siguro pumasa sa UPCAT kaya ganyan na lang ang panggagalaiti mo sa UP. o dinaman kaya. wala ka lang talagang utak para makapasok sa UP. ang BOBO mo. natuto ka pa naman gumawa ng blog. sa isang side lang ginamit mo. di mo tinignan yung kabila. masyado kang naging bias sa mga sinabi mo sa blog mo. Next time na gagawa ka ng blog. make sure na hindi bias at you’re looking at the both sides of the issue.

    PS.
    if I know, youre just doing this for popularity. STUPID :p

  140. LEXUSFRY permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    Wow. Kung yan po ang description for a UP student na nagcomment, paano naman po yung hindi nakapag-aral. Yung mga nasa kalye lang. Yung mga bumoto kay ERAP AT NOYNOY.😐 Ang objectivity kasi dito, objectivity ng mga taga-Kanluran. Tama yung mga nagsabing hindi angkop ang mga ito sa Pilipinas. Oo theoretically at logically tama yung mga sinasabi ng mga iniidolo niyo pero naiiba ang praktikal na pagsasagawa. Wala naman kasing perpektong sistema.

    At sigurado akong nasabi ng ibang UP student ang “invalid arguments” dahil ayaw na nilang magkomento pa sa blog na ito. Break ba kumbaga. At yung iba naman, gusto lang sabihin na hindi mo kasi nararamdaman kung ano bang mayroon sa loob ng UP (at ng iba pang SUCs). Try mong magpunta. Try mong makipagusap sa mga mag-aaral at mga guro. Try mo lang.

  141. LEXUSFRY permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    Isa pa. Ano ba ang scholarship? Di ba most (if not all) ng mga ito, may kapalit. Dapat maglingkod ka sa nagbigay ng scholarship mo. Hindi ba ganito na nga ang nangyayari sa UP at SUCs. Pinapaaral ng bayan; Naglilingkod para sa bayan. Hindi lang pagtapos ng pag-aaral, pero pati habang nag-aaral na din.

    At hindi lang naman sa edukasyon ang pinaglalaban ng mga UP students. Pati sa mga Indigenous Peoples/katutubo, mga magsasaka, mga oppressed, etc. At hindi lang rally ang ginagawa, ang mga UP students mismo ay nagpupunta sa mga taong ito, tumutulong sa kanila sa iba’t ibang paraan.

    At eto pa nga, paulit ulit nang sinasabi. Matalinong budget allocation ang gustong mangyari ng mga UP students. Isipin na rin natin.. Kasama pa ang PGH sa budget ng UP. Hindi lang edukasyon ang pinagkakait ng gobyerno, pati buhay ng mga tao!

  142. LEXUSFRY permalink
    July 28, 2010 3:38

    at bago po sana natin sabihin na threat ang UP students (and professors alike na rin), isipin nating ang OBLATION– ang tamang interpretasyon ng OBLATION.

  143. xtian17