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The Tyranny of the Anti-Population Bill

February 9, 2010

In a free society, no one must be sacrificed in the name of “common good…”

Can the government legislate population?

Can the government legislate population?

The staunch supporters of the Reproductive Health bill authored by some communist politicians in Congress have been peddling a flurry of altruistic grounds and equivocations to ensure the passage of their socialist proposal to enslave the productive in this country. Some of their grounds are the following: a) to provide the needed reproductive health care services for women; b) to help the poor; and c) to curb the alleged population explosion in the country.

On its face, this bill seems to address a number of social problems in the country so its proponents and fanatic supporters believed that it must be enacted into law. They have been doing their very best to make this socialist legislation acceptable to the people and to our politicians who also have been giving their best to ensure their victory in the upcoming May 10 national polls. Well, who doesn’t want freebies? In the name of women and poor people, the bill’s proponents, along with the passionate anti-population advocates, have been urging the government to give them a break, at least during this election period. Sounds good!

Now before we get blown away by their socialist and nice-to-hear altruist platitudes, it is important to look at the original version of the bill passed and deliberated in the Lower House.

Section 2 of the RH bill states:

“The State upholds and promotes responsible parenthood, informed choice, birth spacing and respect for life in conformity with internationally recognized human rights standards.

“The State shall uphold the right of the people, particularly women and their organizations, to effective and reasonable participation in the formulation and implementation of the declared policy.

“This policy is anchored on the rationale that sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens.

“The State likewise guarantees universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information thereon even as it prioritizes the needs of women and children, among other underprivileged sectors.”

I must say that in this country, everybody has the right to his own choices. I do not believe in a government that babysits its people. Likewise, I do not believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. The danger in some of the populist/socialist provisions in our 1987 Constitution is that it is wrought with a number of dangerous contradictions. The New Charter is apparently more concerned with “distribution” and not “production” when it comes to the principles of “public welfare,” “public good” or “common good,” “social justice,” equality and egalitarianism. Yes, the Constitution, in effect, establishes a mixed economy bordering on socialism.

The Constitution speaks of “common good,” “public welfare,” and “social justice,” but all of these pertain mainly to distribution of wealth and not production. What do I mean by this? The above-quoted provision is a good example. It talks about the promotion of “responsible parenthood, informed choice, etc., as well as a guarantee to have a “universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable, and quality productive health care services,” etc. This is clearly a political provision that aims to serve the “public good” by means of redistributing wealth. But the question is, “where will the government get the wealth or money to serve women and poor people?” Where is the “economic factor” of this provision? We have to understand that “distribution” and “production” pertains to economics. Now who will produce wealth to guarantee the goals of this bill? The authors of this legislation do not specify.

But wait, there must be some ways for the government to evade responsibility and shift the burden to some social sectors. Yes, the bill targets four particular persons who must be “sacrificed” in the name of “common good.” Section 21 of the bill enumerates these four persons who are the following:

  1. Public and private health care providers;
  2. Employers;
  3. Any person who shall engage in falsification of compliance under Section 14 of the Act;
  4. Any person who shall maliciously engage in disinformation about the intent or provision of this act.

Section 22 of the Act states that any person “who is found guilty shall be sentenced to an imprisonment ranging from one (1) month to six (6) months or a fine ranging from Ten Thousand Pesos (P10,000.00) to Fifty Thousand Pesos (P50,000.00) or both such fine and imprisonment at the discretion of the court.” No, we’re not yet a socialist country. Not yet!

Letter (a) clearly covers both public and private health care providers. They can be penalized for personally prohibiting or restricting or through a subordinate “the delivery of legal and medically-safe reproductive health care services, including family planning.”

Letter (b) covers any employer who shall fail to comply with his obligation, which is to provide the RH care services of his/her employees, or “an employer who requires a female applicant or employee, as a condition for employment or continued employment, to involuntarily undergo sterilization, tubal ligation or any other form of contraceptive method.” Now what right does the government have to force and coerce employers to provide the RH care needs of their employees against their will? Common good?

Both the public and private health care providers and employers are the two main targets of this bill to be sacrificed in the name of “common good” or for the sake of women and poor people. The bill’s proponents and the anti-population advocates say the government must guarantee the rights of women and poor people to universal RH care. But what about the employers and health care providers? Is this not a violation of their rights? But the socialists and their apologists can still say, “there are more poor people in this country.” I have to say this is what is happening in Venezuela whose intelligentsia is now embarking on a massive exodus because of Hugo Chavez’s determination to sacrifice those who produce wealth in the name of the poor.

In a free society, no one must be sacrificed in the name of “common good.”

Letter (d) talks about any “person who shall falsify a certificate of compliance as required in Section 14 of the Act, while letter (d) speaks of any person who maliciously engages in disinformation” about the Act’s intent or provision. Now Letter (d) is very non-objective. This is the best manifestation that the bill was really authored by the communist politicians in Congress.

But the bill’s supporters now say, there’s a Senate version that seeks to cure the “imperfections” of the House version. Whether it be a Senate version, a House version, or any merged version, the fact is that this legislative proposal is violative of our rights. Everybody here has the right to go to any physician to obtain any kind of RH care services. Everybody in this country has the right to obtain RH care information. They say the Church is forbidding couples to go on artificial method of family planning, but the fact is that there is no law acceding to the will of the Church or any religion in this country. Everybody has to right to make a choice. If a couple followed the advice of their church, then that is their right, but no one has the right to impose his own will on anybody.

Let me make it clear that I am against the position of the Church. I have previously stated the following:

“The reason why I oppose this bill—and I think I stated it clearly—is because I don’t believe that it is the role of the government, most particularly the employers, to provide for the reproductive health care services of the people. My fundamental premise is hinged on the concept of individual rights: I don’t believe the government has the right to coerce anyone under the concept of common good or social welfare to provide for the needs of others, and I also don’t believe that need is a claim or a license to enslave a particular group of people.”

The bill’s proponents and their anti-population allies also perverted the real concept of rights— that it is the right of women and poor people to have a universal access to RH care services. We all have the right to go to a private clinic, but we don’t have the right to force the doctor to treat us for free.

But there’s a hidden target of this bill—the taxpayers. If a government speaks of services, we shouldn’t forget that somebody has to make those services possible, and it is the taxpayers. Most of us complain of the amount of taxes that we pay, but most of us also ask for more government services—to the extent that we urge our politicians to provide everything we need for free. Most of us focus on the social aspect of a law or legislation, but we also forget its economic aspect.

Is RH care a right? If you say “Yes,” then you have to check your premise. Like I stated before, “One of the greatest fallacies ever invented to corrupt man’s mind is the distortion of the concept of “right!”

“That which you passionately call or claim as “right” means the “right” by, for, and of the socialists or the communists. There’s a big difference between a right and a privilege. A right is one that is incumbent upon an individual since birth. You have the right to exist, but you don’t have the right to command your neighbor to feed you. You have the right to education, but you cannot demand that you be spared from school fees to obtain a degree. You have the right to medical services, but you can’t tell the doctor, who spent a lot of money and years of his/her life studying medicine, to treat you for free. The proper concept of “right” means the right of every individual to choose and to reject self-destruction. Such a right cannot extend to enslave your neighbor. It simply means a right to choose or not to choose.”

Can’t you see that the main target of most statist/socialist bills are the producers of wealth, while the main excuse or justification for forcing them down our throats are the poor? Yes, nobody is defending the rights of employers and doctors in this country. Well, who likes to defend the rich? Ellsworth Toohey of The Fountainhead, who’s the philosophical figure of the bill’s proponents and supporters, is right in saying that—“It is always safe to denounce the rich.” In fact, some “rich” people even support their own destroyer.

We all know that the country’s medical field is experiencing an ongoing brain drain. This is not a myth. Most doctors, nurses, and other health care providers would like to leave the country any time now had they been given the chance. Just imagine if this bill were passed, I believe we should expect a massive exodus of not only health care providers, but the people who produce as well.

Now some politicians are proposing to implement a universal health care system in the country, a proposal that is more dangerous than the RH bill. And I predict that this universal health care proposal would unite the religionists, who oppose the RH bill, and the bill’s supporters.

There’s a bestselling novel entitled Atlas Shrugged that provides for the best defense of not only Capitalism, but of every man and woman of ability as well. One of the book’s major characters is a surgeon named Dr. Thomas Hendricks. Dr. Hendricks, who quits the field, eloquently explains in describing his decision:

“Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything–except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the “welfare” of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only “to serve.” . . . I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind–yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands?”

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36 Comments leave one →
  1. July 20, 2010 3:38

    Hi froivinber! My name is Daryll and I am a member of a youth-led international organization, World Youth Alliance. So far, I have read two of your articles on RH Bill and I have found myself sharing the same view as yours.

    In the course of my work for World Youth Alliance, I have found that this RH Bill has its origins dating back to the time of Henry Kissinger. He was the former US Secretary of State. I have read that he was the one who wrote the National Security Study Memorandum 200 which aims to reduce the population of developing countries. The United States, together with the rest of the developed world, realized that the growing population of the developing countries would be detrimental to its economic and security interests. In that memorandum, 13 countries were identified as particularly problematic to the United States: the Philippines, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, and Thailand.

    However, the United States knew that it would receive strong opposition and criticism if it would deliberately state population control. The solution analysts found was to package it in such a way that would be more acceptable to the people; hence, economic and development aid. Surprisingly, however, included in this offer were contraceptives and abortion kits. Therefore, a once purely political agenda became a social agenda of a far-reaching nature. A more recent example of this is how the United States forces Kenya to include abortion in its constitution. You might want to check this link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/white-house-backs-kenyan-constitution-allowing-abortion/

    So as member of World Youth Alliance and as a person who recognizes the importance of values, I do not support the RH bill. I believe that this bill violates human dignity. I hope I could hear more of your views regarding this topic.

    Best regards,

    Daryll

    • July 21, 2010 3:38

      Thanks for such a wonderful insight, Daryll. I agree with this statement: “The solution analysts found was to package it in such a way that would be more acceptable to the people; hence, economic and development aid.” Population control is simply one of the many ways for the politicians to establish dictatorship in this country.

  2. waistline32 permalink
    July 30, 2010 3:38

    As a midwife from your country, I have seen too many women and children get hurt and even die of lack of opportunities for health, education and nutrition. I’m all about giving the Filipino people informed choices so they can decide for themselves how to take care of their own bodies and how to take care of their own families.

    You have to give dignity to a person before you can teach them about making decisions.
    How can they make the choice if they lack
    a) the education and
    b) the means?

    It is the government’s duty to the country it serves to provide the information and the means. This is so the human person can have a choice, not just blindly answering to the call of their bodies.

  3. Wasp permalink
    October 18, 2010 3:38

    RH bill has so many loopholes. If the government will force businesses to provide RH items to their workers, does that mean that businesses can deduct RH on their workers salary? are the employees ok with this? The passage of this bill will only hinder employers to hire women. As a “negosyante”, this bill is oppressive. Why do we have to carry the burden to provide safe & enjoyable sex to our employees? I had enough of being socially responsible. We’re paying taxes, adhere to DTI’s rules on trade & other govt imposed rules ( including under-the-table transactions with BIR. We are already doing our share in this society.
    It is against my moral compass to use contraceptives and it is my right as an individual to put into actions my beliefs. It is also my right to voice out those beliefs (even if many are against it), but why should i get penalized or jailed? This bill contradicts our constitution. This is against freedom at ang nakakatawa pa dito, it is those freedom lovers who passionately fight for this.
    Mahirap ang negosyo dito sa Pilipinas at lalo lang kaming pahihirapan ng bill na ‘to. Sa totoo lang, our workers who have the most number of children are more productive, efficient & responsible than to those who have less, since wala silang responsibilidad, nagiging lax sila sa trabaho, pala-absent and they even have the gall to ask for an increase. So whats next, idedemand kami ng mga workers namin to provide free condoms & pills to the rest of their family? ang hilig kase ng mga pilipino sa mga freebies.

    • October 18, 2010 3:38

      @ Wasp:

      I really sympathize with you. My online debate with the most passionate supporters of this bill reveals their sick, evil mentality. Most of them believe it is the “duty” of employers to provide the RH care needs of their workers. If that’s the case then employers could also be forced by the state to provide other basic needs of their workers like food, clothing, shelter, etc.

      This is what I stated here (https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/reproductive-health-bill-a-fascist-bill/): “The question is: Does Rep. Lagman have any idea what it takes to manage and grow a business? Do the passionate supporters of this bill have any idea how to conduct a simple medical operation? To all mini-fascists and little dictators who sponsor and/or support this statist bill: THE BUSINESSMEN AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS ARE NOT YOUR SLAVES! So the best way to guarantee people’s REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS is to enslave employers and health care providers. Is this not a clever fascist idea?”

      It seems that the bill’s author, Edcel Lagman, does not really understand the proper function of the government and the proper concept of rights… https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/debunking-the-guiding-principles-of-the-fascist-rh-bill/

  4. unrealdummy permalink
    May 4, 2013 3:38

    Admit it, you hate RH bill because it somehow helps re-“distribution” of wealth. You like a system where oligarchies and opportunists take advantage of the ignorant and the oversupply of slaves. Maybe you are one of them and you have taken a grudge on anything against the preservation of your current standing in the food chain. You’re just a narcissist who can’t comprehend anything but his own self-serving opinion.

    • unrealdummy permalink
      May 4, 2013 3:38

      BTW, found out you admitted you’re selfish. Well sorry but we, in the middle class, have to be selfish too so the system called capitalism gets regulated so we don’t get abused by people in the higher class. It is because of us the made some people to the higher class. So it is just right if we set the rules and regulate this capitalism. I wish you were born poor and disadvantaged in a pure capitalist state to get the taste of your own medicine.

    • May 5, 2013 3:38

      @unrealdummy,

      LOL! Your comments actually made me laugh.😉

      I think you ought to read more because I wrote several articles about the RH bill. Also this is to save yourself from embarrassment. https://fvdb.wordpress.com/no-to-rh-bill/

      You said: “Admit it, you hate RH bill because it somehow helps re-”distribution” of wealth.”

      I don’t have to admit it, you ill-informed MORON. I said it several times. I said it here:

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/up-economists-rh-paper-emotionalism-plus-anti-intellectualism/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/why-expose-the-rh-bills-trojan-horse-socialism/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/the-most-needed-victims-of-the-rh-bill-businessmen-and-doctors/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/secularists-against-the-rh-bill-what-we-believe-in/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/reproductive-health-bill-a-fascist-bill/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/taming-the-tamer/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/pnoys-malthusianmarxist-economist-ph-must-manage-its-population-and-decrease-its-dependency-rates/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/filipino-freefarting-hippies-for-palamunin-culture/

      Do you know what selfishness means? Do you really think the word “selfishness” in the dictionary has MORAL EVALUATION? Do you really think being selfish or self-interested is inherently BAD or EVIL? Does that mean you think that to be moral we need to be selfish? Well, if that’s what you think, then do not do anything to further your life. Do not work. Just serve others. Give all your money and everything you have to the needy.

      You cannot be charitable by using the government! Use your own money!

      To know more about my ethics…

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/on-ethics-and-politics/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/blog-debate-on-the-morality-of-capitalism/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/richard-dawkins-gibberish-on-absolute-morality/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 5, 2013 3:38

        [QUOTE]Give all your money and everything you have to the needy.
        You cannot be charitable by using the government! Use your own money![/UNQUOTE]

        Reread my comment. Where in my comment did I say I’m for that rubbish? Giving to those who don’t work is not the only means of redistribution of wealth, idiot. There are many ways to redistribute wealth such as controlling the supply of manpower so the working class receives the fair share of the pie. Fighting for the fair share and bargaining is not altruism.

      • May 5, 2013 3:38

        Read my comment again… That’s why I asked your view on “self-interest”.

        You said this utter rubbish: “I wish you were born poor and disadvantaged in a pure capitalist state to get the taste of your own medicine.”

        You don’t even know what capitalism is. If I were born poor, I still wouldn’t think other people have the responsibility to pay for my condoms or RH services. Poverty should not be taken as a justification to embrace socialism. Who pays for those services? Can’t you pay for your condoms? Read my other blogs. You’re indeed one of the proof that public education in these parts is an utter failure.

        I’m for capitalism because this is the only system that can guarantee better and higher employment. Do you know what economic freedom means? Countries with higher economic freedom tend to have higher employment! Millions of poor Filipinos go to countries (e.g., Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, U.S., Australia, etc.) with higher economic freedom because they have more jobs there and they offer higher wages. Those countries embrace foreign professionals and investors. We perpetually ban foreign professionals from joining our economic team and we limit foreign investment.

        Better economic freedom is the only way to help the poor, not through PALAMUNIN programs that only encourage laziness!

      • May 5, 2013 3:38

        To Be Born Poor Doesn’t Mean You’ll Always Be Poor

        “It’s hard to imagine anyone beginning in a lower station. Carnegie had arrived in America, a twelve-year-old Scottish immigrant. With barely a penny to his family’s name, and with only five years of formal education behind him (“Lack of schooling is no valid excuse for failure; neither is an exhaustive schooling a guarantee of success,” he would later say), young Andrew went to work at a textile mill, twelve hours a day, for $1.20 a week.”

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/objectivist/2013/04/12/to-be-born-poor-doesnt-mean-youll-always-be-poor/

  5. unrealdummy permalink
    May 5, 2013 3:38

    [QUOTE]If I were born poor, I still wouldn’t think other people have the responsibility to pay for my condoms or RH services.[/UNQUOTE]

    You don’t get it, do you? Do you honestly believe we were willing to pay taxes for their free condoms because we just feel generous? You are SO WRONG. It’s our way, as people in the middle class, to control the supply of cheap labor. Think harder! Why would we want that? I rather pay for their condoms to stop them from having babies than to pay for their child expenses. Blame your myopic world view for missing that point.

    [QUOTE]Better economic freedom is the only way to help the poor, not through PALAMUNIN programs that only encourage laziness![/UNQUOTE]

    Oh, so you now want to help the poor? Or did you mean, opportunity to exploit is the only way to help people in the higher class? Disgusting.

    [QUOTE]Countries with higher economic freedom tend to have higher employment! Millions of poor Filipinos go to countries (e.g., Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, U.S., Australia, etc.) with higher economic freedom because they have more jobs there and they offer higher wages.[/UNQUOTE]

    Has it ever occurred to you that “more jobs” could be relative to their population? Think!

    So you think providing these RH stuff decrease PH’s economic freedom? Have you actually researched those countries you mentioned? Hell, even their taxes are higher than the PH’s (except HK and SG because their governments are shareholders; they get huge revenues to afford low taxes!) The benefits their citizens are getting dwarf what Filipinos are getting. So yeah, it’s funny you gave such examples. Perhaps you meant India, China, or Vietnam, the havens for cheap labor, exploitation, and human trafficking.

    [QUOTE]… we limit foreign investment.[/UNQUOTE]

    That’s the real reason. Don’t blame the RH law.

    • May 5, 2013 3:38

      Where the heck you got your schooling? What “control the supply of labor” are you talking about? There’s no such thing as overpopulation in the Philippines. There is over-congestion. The more you type, the more you stupidly brandish your ignorance. Again, read my blogs to educate yourself.

      I’ve written dozens of articles about this issue. I’ve addressed almost everything, including the myth of over-population, Balicasan’s redistributive policies, Bernas’ socialism, etc.

      You MORON said: ” I rather pay for their condoms to stop them from having babies than to pay for their child expenses.”

      Stupid indeed. Then pay for your condom! How about others who are not willing to pay for other people’s condoms? How about the religionists who think it’s against their faith or doctrines? Nobody’s forcing you not to pay for other people’s condoms. You are free to do it. Just don’t use the government.

      Do you understand this issue. For example, if really believe every pinoy must have a home, then your only option is to pay for other people’s houses or dwelling. Do not use the government.

      This is why I think STUPID PEOPLE like you are mentally retarded… https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151655869659458&set=a.10151229407834458.517891.400511429457&type=1&relevant_count=1

      Well, you said you’re willing to pay your taxes. Let me tell you PNoy passed the sin taxes, ordered the BIR to run after online sellers, and increased the country’s foreign debt because of the RH Law and his other welfare programs (e.g., universal health care, CCT, etc.)

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/rh-law-means-money-money-money-plus-corruption/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/aquino-regimes-accomplishments-rh-welfare-funds-on-steroids-higher-debt-more-taxes-blame-arroyo/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/rh-scam-and-the-ph-governments-21st-century-plantation/

      MORONS like you are the reason why this country is now broke. Morons like you think the government can just create money out of thin air.

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 5, 2013 3:38

        [QUOTE] What “control the supply of labor” are you talking about?[UNQUOTE]

        Look who’s talking. You don’t even know what the law of supply and demand means. Go and get a refund from where you got your schooling.

        [QUOTE]Do you understand this issue. For example, if really believe every pinoy must have a home, then your only option is to pay for other people’s houses or dwelling. Do not use the government.[UNQUOTE]

        How many times should I tell your tiny brain that I do not support giving freebies? I hate PALAMUNINS as much as you do but your little brain just don’t get the idea that reducing their numbers MEANS reducing PALAMUNINS. Can’t you do even basic math? I thought you were smart, but damn! I don’t get why you don’t get this very BASIC logic.

        [QUOTE]There’s no such thing as overpopulation in the Philippines. There is over-congestion.[UNQUOTE]

        Urgh! Can’t believe you People there are already begging for jobs and yet you don’t see overpopulation there? Just plain stupid.

      • May 5, 2013 3:38

        LOL!

        “You don’t even know what the law of supply and demand means. Go and get a refund from where you got your schooling.”

        — How is that related to the RH law issue? Explain your side.

        “Can’t you do even basic math? I thought you were smart, but damn! I don’t get why you don’t get this very BASIC logic.”

        — How does your stupid Math justify the continuation of the RH bill? If you really understood your math, you’d have realized the RH bill is UNSUSTAINABLE. Now I ask to you include these variables in your stupid math:

        1. The country’s budget deficit
        2. The country’s public and foreign debt
        3. The budget for RH programs
        4. The possible percentage of stolen money out of this RH law.

        You’re not for PALAMUNIN culture? The mere fact that you support this law makes you a pro-PALAMUNIN IDIOT.

        ” Can’t believe you People there are already begging for jobs and yet you don’t see overpopulation there? Just plain stupid.”

        — This proves that you’re indeed a MORON. There are not enough jobs here because of our protectionism and regulations. That’s the reason, IDIOT. Or do you even know that?

        Show me at least ONE COUNTRY that achieved economic growth through POPULATION CONTROL. At least one country.

        I’ll show you countries with bigger population than ours that adopted PRO-NATALIST POLICIES. Do you know what PRO-NATALISM is? It’s a government program that encourages procreation, MORON.

      • May 5, 2013 3:38

        To pro-RH MORONS:

        The Philippines is poor because of its repressive economic policies, and it failed to achieve demographic transition because of its increasing poverty, again, CAUSED by its repressive, protectionist, failed economic policies.

        The case of Singapore, Japan, South Korea and other developed nations shows that governments don’t need to adopt aggressive population control policy to secure economic growth. This is because demographic transition is merely the result of a nation’s economic success. In other words, demographic transition FOLLOWS economic growth, and this is what Malthusian intellectuals like Balisacan fail to see.

        I must repeat: DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSITION FOLLOWS ECONOMIC GROWTH, not the other way around. This is almost the same as the scientifically proven argument against man-made global warming that CO2 (carbon dioxide) follows temperature, not the other way around. But that’s another story.

        https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/to-neda-chief-balisacan-demographic-transition-follows-economic-growth-not-the-other-way-around/

  6. unrealdummy permalink
    May 5, 2013 3:38

    [QUOTE]“You don’t even know what the law of supply and demand means. Go and get a refund from where you got your schooling.”
    – How is that related to the RH law issue? Explain your side.[UNQUOTE]

    Just what exactly do you think resources are? It include man power AKA “human resources”. What do you think would happen if there are too much of it? Do I really have to explain how RH or any population measures will influence this? Seriously, that’s stupid if I have to explain that.

    [QUOTE]“Can’t you do even basic math? I thought you were smart, but damn! I don’t get why you don’t get this very BASIC logic.”
    – How does your stupid Math justify the continuation of the RH bill?[UNQUOTE]

    Which do you think is more expensive? Stopping PALAMUNINS from spreading their genes OR paying for their kids’ education, healthcare, etc? This is no-brainer, how could you not think of this?

    [QUOTE] If you really understood your math, you’d have realized the RH bill is UNSUSTAINABLE. Now I ask to you include these variables in your stupid math:
    1. The country’s budget deficit
    2. The country’s public and foreign debt
    3. The budget for RH programs
    4. The possible percentage of stolen money out of this RH law.
    [UNQUOTE]

    I’ll tell you what’s unsustainable. It is feeding the unstoppable growing number of poor people, their education and welfare. That’s the definition of unsustainable. That’s nowhere compared to distribution of condoms and that’s basic math. They would even help worsening the gap between the oligarchs and the middle class.

    Stop masquerading your oligarchism with your anti-altruism. You’re nothing but anything that serves the higher class unless you’re really a short-sighted pinhead.

    [QUOTE]You’re not for PALAMUNIN culture? The mere fact that you support this law makes you a pro-PALAMUNIN IDIOT.[UNQUOTE]

    Actually it is you who really support PALAMUNINs by letting them grow in numbers effectively letting them steal MORE money from the middle class people. This is basic math, really basic math.

    [QUOTE]– This proves that you’re indeed a MORON. There are not enough jobs here because of our protectionism and regulations. That’s the reason, IDIOT.[UNQUOTE]

    So you admit there aren’t enough job. For whatever reason, that’s still called overpopulation, stupid. Though I agree protectionism and regulations helped worsen it but that’s not the entire reason. You’re making a false dichotomy fallacy right there.

    [QUOTE]Show me at least ONE COUNTRY that achieve economic growth through POPULATION CONTROL. At least one country.
    I’ll show you countries with bigger population that ours that adopted PRO-NATALIST POLICIES. Do you know what PRO-NATALISM is? It’s a government program that encourages procreation, MORON.[UNQUOTE]

    That proves how short-sighted you are. You simply can’t comprehend why such countries are adopting pronatalism, can you? It’s because countries, like ours, just couldn’t stop manufacturing slaves and it is becoming a threat to their competitiveness. In order for their oligarchs to become even richer (their definition of growth), they would need to further lower the costs of the salaries and wages that their middle classes are enjoying. And they intend to do it through immigration and pronatalistic policies. Perhaps you have forgotten that the law of supply and demand still applies internationally. Whoops, I have forgotten you know nothing about such.

    Looking at China retrospectively, they got a lot of American companies moving in without realizing it would be unsustainable because they are hurting their source of revenues indirectly, the American middle class consumers. They have slowed down because no one buys their shit anymore when everyone was broke. They simply made the gap between the oligarchs and the middle class wider. Of course that’s just an oversimplification so it can be fed to your tiny brain.

    • May 5, 2013 3:38

      ” It include man power AKA “human resources””

      That proves your incurable idiocy. .No country has ever created wealth or guaranteed economic success by curbing its population. Your Malthusian mentality was repeatedly debunked by science, reality and real-world economics.

      Again, show me at least ONE COUNTRY that achieved economic success through Malthusian policies. ANSWER THIS VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!

      “Which do you think is more expensive? Stopping PALAMUNINS from spreading their genes OR paying for their kids’ education, healthcare, etc? This is no-brainer, how could you not think of this?”

      — That’s the problem with your stupid mentality. You think the government owns us and is the solution to every social problem. The government has no money to feed all PALAMUNINS like you, let alone provide them condoms and RH services. Where do you think the government loots the money to pay for all its welfare programs?

      If you read my blogs I said the best form of birth control is more jobs or higher employment through economic freedom. Again, OVERPOPULATION IS A MYTH believed and spread by IGNORAMUSES like you.

      Let me ask you something: What is the ideal population and birth rate for this country?

      “I’ll tell you what’s unsustainable. It is feeding the unstoppable growing number of poor people, their education and welfare.”

      — FEEDING? So you think it’s the job of the government to feed the “growing number of poor people”? Is that what you think of our government? A Santa Claus? You’re a MORON. It seems that you’re unaware there are countries that have more population than us but have better economic condition. You’re talking like a FREEFARTER now.

      What’s your real name? Tell me. You should be very proud of your identity. I’ll post our debate. Tell me your real name. Don’t hide behind a stupid nick.

      “Stop masquerading your oligarchism with your anti-altruism. You’re nothing but anything that serves the higher class unless you’re really a short-sighted pinhead.”

      — Did you even understand what you typed? Who’s serving the higher class, IDIOT? Do you even know my economic stand? So, you think we must LIMIT our economy to foreign investors? Is that what you think? I’d like to know your answer to this question.

      “Actually it is you who really support PALAMUNINs by letting them grow in numbers effectively letting them steal MORE money from the middle class people. This is basic math, really basic math.”

      — You’re indeed a MORON. You don’t even know there had BEEN A LOT OF RH SERVICES IN THE PAST. You’re one of the MORONS HOODWINKED by the leftist politicians and useful idiots in the media. RH services and billions of taxpayers’ money were given to the poor since the time of Marcos, STUPID. Read this to know these RH services provided by past regimes— https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/hilarious-gma-news-pro-rh-law-semantic-propaganda/

      NONE OF THEM WORKED, IDIOT. And this RH law will go down in history as another FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT. MARK MY WORD, STUPID. I’m telling you this.

      That’s what I said here:

      With more welfare programs such as the RH law, universal healthcare program, Conditional Cash Transfer (CCT) program, among many others, this poor, protectionist nation will undoubtedly face more crises and soci0economic problems in the future:

      Fiscal crisis due to unsustainable welfare programs/policies, high budget deficit, poor investment, low FDI, protectionist and anti-business regulations/policies.
      Debt crisis
      High budget deficit
      More taxes
      Brain drain
      Lower FDI and poor investment
      Higher unemployment
      More corruption (particularly RH-related corrupt practices)
      Here’s my prediction: the RH Law will go down in Philippine history as one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated by our welfare politicians.

      “So you admit there aren’t enough job.”

      — Of course! There are not enough jobs because of OUR FAILED, REPRESSIVE economic policies. Japan has higher population than ours, but still have the capacity to admit foreign workers, including Filipinos. Population is not the problem, STUPID. It’s the economy!

      ” It’s because countries, like ours, just couldn’t stop manufacturing slaves and it is becoming a threat to their competitiveness. In order for their oligarchs to become even richer (their definition of growth), they would need to further lower the costs of the salaries and wages that their middle classes are enjoying. And they intend to do it through immigration and pronatalistic policies. Perhaps you have forgotten that the law of supply and demand still applies internationally. Whoops, I have forgotten you know nothing about such.”

      — WOW! The problem is, you don’t even know how stupid you are. Did you even understand what you typed? The funniest part of your drivel is you think your “supply and demand” gibberish would make it sound sane. LOL!

      It’s not law of supply and demand, but the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS, which is a Malthusian theory in economics that had long been debunked by science and history, STUPID! The law of supply and demand has its specific application in the vast field of economics. This is why you don’t know what you’re talking about!

      Again, why are there countries with higher population than ours that adopt pro-natalist policies?

      Arguing with you is like arguing with an imbecile.

      I’d like to post this debate… If you’re really proud of your stupid arguments you should also be proud to reveal your real identity. No excuses!

  7. unrealdummy permalink
    May 5, 2013 3:38

    [QUOTE]” It include man power AKA “human resources””
    That proves your incurable idiocy. .No country has ever created wealth or guaranteed economic success by curbing its population.[UNQUOTE]

    Where the hell did I say creation of wealth comes from curbing the population? Do you even know how to make sense of what you’re reading?

    Stop putting words to my mouth. If you don’t get the message clearly then here it is, stupid. Curbing population is one of the means to influence and control how middle class can bargain their value, stupid crackpot. This is just simple law of supply and demand. Damn! I really thought you were something but, damn! Shouldn’t have expected more.

    [QUOTE]Your Malthusian mentality was repeatedly debunked by science, reality and real-world economics.
    Again, show me at least ONE COUNTRY that achieved economic success through Malthusian policies. ANSWER THIS VERY SIMPLE QUESTION![UNQUOTE]

    One of those is Singapore.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control_in_Singapore

    Singapore is ranking 3rd in one of the highest GDP per capita.

    Now you can’t just simply start yapping at me that they have been pronatilist decades ago. That didn’t make them to where they are at now. What made them to where they are at now were their actions in the past and that include population control. Take note that such measures take decades to get the desired effects because by average, people can only get to participate in the workforce after two decades or more. Their current pronatalistic policies haven’t even got them to their original growth rate. They’re even far from it until now. So we can safely say that until now, their measures from the past is still taking effect. And damn, their middle classes are so enjoying the benefits.

    [QUOTE]“Which do you think is more expensive? Stopping PALAMUNINS from spreading their genes OR paying for their kids’ education, healthcare, etc? This is no-brainer, how could you not think of this?”
    – That’s the problem with your stupid mentality. You think the government owns us and is the solution to every social problem. The government has no money to feed all PALAMUNINS like you, let alone provide them condoms and RH services. Where do you think the government loots the money to pay for all its welfare programs?[UNQUOTE]

    Your stupidity knows no bounds doesn’t it? As I’ve been funneling to your tiny brain, reducing their number MEANS reducing PALAMUNINS. I beg you to reread that ten darn times or more until it sinks into your tiny little brain! Got it? *Facepalm*

    [QUOTE]If you read my blogs I said the best form of birth control is more jobs or higher employment through economic freedom.[UNQUOTE]

    See your stupid logic there? Birth control were meant to help reduce PALAMUNINS because there aren’t enough jobs. Why would you want birth control or change anything when there are many jobs or when the economy can now accommodate population growth?

    You can’t be more stupid than that.

    You seem to forget that jobs are not unlimited. Hell, these PALAMUNINS are not even qualified to do the jobs needed by these investors. There are just limited amount of capital that can be invested at any given time. You think jobs just can simply pop out from nothing? Stupid. More jobs more jobs more jobs! Well that’s NOT given in the current equation stupid! We’re slowly running out of jobs even in this 1st world sh!t hole! Jobs have already started shifting overseas decades ago, STUPID!

    You’re too deluded to think jobs will be rushing in like there’s no tomorrow after restrictions have been remove. There will be some jobs coming but not significant enough to influence the current low pay scale in that 3rd world sh!t hole.

    [QUOTE] Again, OVERPOPULATION IS A MYTH believed and spread by IGNORAMUSES like you.[UNQUOTE]

    Carry on with your delusion but that won’t change the fact that there are more people than available jobs. Can’t do anything about that If you don’t want to call it overpopulation.

    [QUOTE]Let me ask you something: What is the ideal population and birth rate for this country?[UNQUOTE]

    Sorry I wouldn’t fall for that, I know where this is going. Whatever figure you might have up your sleeves, I’m sure it isn’t categorized according to class, there’s no such statistical demographics available for that. You see, higher and middle classes may have just satisfactory birth rates. For lower classes, you just need to visit the slumps and see for yourself.

    It is here my point comes in. If we want lesser PALAMUNINS, then we would want low to zero birth rates for them. Unless you’re pro PALAMUNINS, aren’t you?

    [QUOTE]“I’ll tell you what’s unsustainable. It is feeding the unstoppable growing number of poor people, their education and welfare.”
    – FEEDING? So you think it’s the job of the government to feed the “growing number of poor people”? Is that what you think of our government? A Santa Claus? You’re a MORON. It seems that you’re unaware there are countries that have more population than us but have better economic condition. You’re talking like a FREEFARTER now.[UNQUOTE]

    What can I say? Triple facepalm! I thought I’ve gone through your stupidity on the first part but you seem to be just warming up! Oh great. When I said “I’ll tell you what’s unsustainable” what were you thinking I was referring to? I was referring to the damn next sentence! Unsustainable -> feeding the poor! Damn, I can’t believe I’m actually explaining every word of my damn sentences! Again, what’s unsustainable? According to me, it is the feeding of the poor, their education and their freaking welfare. Now, when I say something is unsustainable, what does that mean to me? Does that mean I am for such stuff? No! Sh!t must have got into your brain, whatever it is, I don’t wanna know.

    [QUOTE]“Stop masquerading your oligarchism with your anti-altruism. You’re nothing but anything that serves the higher class unless you’re really a short-sighted pinhead.”
    – Did you even understand what you typed? Who’s serving the higher class, IDIOT? Do you even know my economic stand?[UNQUOTE]

    Your responses say a lot about your stand like anyone’s not stupid enough can easily get that you’re frustratingly anti-middle class. You want all the wealth to be concentrated on selected few who don’t even lift an ass to become even richer as they exploit the system and middle class to dry. So yeah, that pretty sums it up.

    [QUOTE]So, you think we must LIMIT our economy to foreign investors? Is that what you think? I’d like to know your answer to this question.[UNQUOTE]

    Did I not agree with you when you said protectionism and regulation had contributed to PH’s joblessness? Before you put more words in my mouth, I was assuming you were referring to that 60/40 rule we currently have in place.

    [QUOTE]“Actually it is you who really support PALAMUNINs by letting them grow in numbers effectively letting them steal MORE money from the middle class people. This is basic math, really basic math.”
    – You’re indeed a MORON. You don’t even know there had BEEN A LOT OF RH SERVICES IN THE PAST. You’re one of the MORONS HOODWINKED by the leftist politicians and useful idiots in the media. RH services and billions of taxpayers’ money were given to the poor since the time of Marcos, STUPID. Read this to know these RH services provided by past regimes—
    fvdb.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/hilarious-gma-news-pro-rh-law-semantic-propaganda/
    NONE OF THEM WORKED, IDIOT. And this RH law will go down in history as another FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT. MARK MY WORD, STUPID. I’m telling you this.
    [UNQUOTE]

    I’m no longer sure about your stance. Is it you’re against RH because it fails curbing the population? Will you be for it if it can actually curb the population? Put aside the freaking argument of yours that it costs money, of course it does! Nothing’s free!

    [QUOTE]” It’s because countries, like ours, just couldn’t stop manufacturing slaves and it is becoming a threat to their competitiveness. …”
    – WOW! The problem is, you don’t even know how stupid you are. Did you even understand what you typed? The funniest part of your drivel is you think your “supply and demand” gibberish would make it sound sane. LOL!
    It’s not law of supply and demand, but the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS, which is a Malthusian theory in economics that had long been debunked by science and history, STUPID! The law of supply and demand has its specific application in the vast field of economics. This is why you don’t know what you’re talking about!
    [UNQUOTE]

    A stupid calling me stupid.

    Have I been misusing the law of supply and demand? Or is it you who don’t know what law of diminishing returns means? Until now you don’t seem to understand how the law of supply and demands comes into play. Let alone the law of diminishing returns.

    Why would you want an extra workforce if you wouldn’t gain anything out of it? If I was trying to apply the law of diminishing returns, then I would have said they wouldn’t need more people, stupid!

    In case you forgot, we were talking about why they were pronatalist. I said it’s because they need more people so their country can stay competitive against countries with SURPLUS of man power; they need a measure to REDUCE the COSTS of their talents and labors. I wouldn’t have said “they need more” if there’s going to be diminishing returns in the process, stupid. Sorry if I can’t make that paragraph simple enough so it fits within your intellectual capacity, if there’s any.

    Looks like I would have to explain in detail how the law of supply and demand works here and what the law of diminishing returns actually means. But no, I’m not feeling charitable at the moment.

    • May 6, 2013 3:38

      First off, if you’re so proud of your arguments why not reveal your real identity? Tell me your real name so I could identify you in my next full-blown blog. Don’t hide behind a stupid false nick.

      “Where the hell did I say creation of wealth comes from curbing the population? Do you even know how to make sense of what you’re reading?”

      — The funniest thing about your argument is that you don’t even know how stupid you are. Then why talk about reducing our population through the RH law? Why talk about your stupid idea of law of supply and demand?

      You don’t even know you are contradicting yourself because you are an IDIOT!

      Then you talked about “jobs are not unlimited” and asked, “Why would you want an extra workforce if you wouldn’t gain anything out of it?”

      What you can’t admit is that you’re so worried about of so-called ballooning population. Let me repeat: THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF RH PROGRAMS IN THE PAST, IDIOT. ALL OF THEM FAILED!

      You’re not informed, right? It’s because you’re so stupid to understand things. The RH Law will do NOTHING to curb or BALANCE our population to go with your STUPID IDEA that “jobs are not unlimited” and preventing an “extra workforce” because of your IDIOTIC law of supply and demand.

      You don’t even know there are countries like JAPAN that has MORE POPULATION than the Philippines. Why are more populous countries like Japan able to provide jobs and better quality of life to their people even WITHOUT ADOPTING AN RH LAW? In fact, Japan adopted PRO-NATALIST POLICIES to increase its population.

      Like I said, population has NOTHING to do with wealth creation. AGAIN, do not try to evade this question: SHOW ME AT LEAST ONE COUNTRY THAT WAS ABLE TO IMPROVE ITS ECONOMY THRU POPULATION CONTROL OR RH PROGRAMS.

      “One of those is Singapore.”

      — You’re indeed a MORON. Wikipedia is NEVER a good source. That’s for MORONS like you. FYI, I covered this issue a long time ago. For your information, Singapore JUNKED its population control program long before Cory Aquino became RP’s president. You don’t even know your facts because you’re a MORON. in the 1980s Singapore’s policy planners decided to reverse their population control program. So instead of discouraging families to have at least two children, the government allowed them to have “three or more, if you can afford it”. It even rewarded productive families with tax rebates, subsidies for daycare, priority in school enrollment for children from large families, priority in assignment of large families to Housing and Development Board apartments, among other government incentives.

      You’re indeed hopeless…

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/up-economists-rh-paper-emotionalism-plus-anti-intellectualism/

      “Sorry I wouldn’t fall for that, I know where this is going. Whatever figure you might have up your sleeves, I’m sure it isn’t categorized according to class, there’s no such statistical demographics available for that. You see, higher and middle classes may have just satisfactory birth rates.”

      — See how STUPID you are! You’re so worried about our population. You’re so worried about your sick idea that “jobs are not unlimited”. You’re so worried that you insinuated about preventing an extra workforce. If you indeed fear an “an extra workforce” and if you’re so worried that jobs are not unlimited, then why can’t you tell me your ideal population and birth rate for this country?

      WHAT IS THE IDEAL POPULATION OR BIRTH RATE FOR THIS COUNTRY SO ALL PEOPLE CAN HAVE JOBS?

      You can’t answer this very simple question, right? Why? BECAUSE YOU’RE A MORON!

      “What can I say? Triple facepalm! I thought I’ve gone through your stupidity on the first part but you seem to be just warming up! Oh great.”

      LMAO!!! I can’t imagine how STUPID YOU ARE! The very simple fact that you can’t understand is that the government has no capacity at all to provide jobs. The government pays its workforce by taxing the people. In effect, the taxpayers are the real employers of government workers. It’s the private sector that provides jobs to people. It’s the private sector that creates wealth. You’re worried about the government not being able to feed all the people? You’re crazy!!!

      That’s a very simple logic, lunatic creature…

      “You want all the wealth to be concentrated on selected few who don’t even lift an ass to become even richer as they exploit the system and middle class to dry. So yeah, that pretty sums it up.”

      — It’s you who wants that! Let me ask you something. How are you going to redistribute wealth to all Filipinos? You want socialism? Show me ONE PROOF or STATEMENT that proves your claim I “want all the wealth to be concentrated on selected few.”

      I’m for opening our economy to all FOREIGN INVESTORS. Deregulation. Privatization or ABOLITION OF UP. Etcetera.

      If you think that opening our country to foreign investors and repealing regulations and restrictions is favoring a select few, then why not admit you are for SOCIALISM? That’s the opposite of economic freedom. SOCIALISM.

      “I’m no longer sure about your stance. Is it you’re against RH because it fails curbing the population? Will you be for it if it can actually curb the population? Put aside the freaking argument of yours that it costs money, of course it does! Nothing’s free!”

      You’re indeed a moron you can’t even understand a very simple statement. All the RH programs of the government in the past failed. The government spent billions of pesos to curb our population, and perhaps most of the money intended to help the poor went into the deep pockets of our corrupt politicians. This RH law will go down in history as another proof of failure of government.

      I am against it because of this—>> https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/top-ten-reasons-why-rh-law-is-unconstitutional/

      Let me explain to you this very simple fact and let me make my stance very clear, MORON. Opposing the RH law does not mean I am in favor of more population or I don’t want a smaller population. This is what SMALL MINDS do not understand. No country has ever achieved economic growth thru population control. That’s a fact.

      Like I said, the best way to reduce population is to open our economy to foreign investors to encourage investment and to provide more jobs to people. That’s the solution to our unemployment and so-called overpopulation.I discussed those issues here—https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/filipino-people-need-jobs-not-rh/

      https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/to-neda-chief-balisacan-demographic-transition-follows-economic-growth-not-the-other-way-around/

      “Have I been misusing the law of supply and demand? Or is it you who don’t know what law of diminishing returns means? Until now you don’t seem to understand how the law of supply and demands comes into play. Let alone the law of diminishing returns.”

      — LMAO!!! Where the heck you got your stupid schooling? The law of supply and demand is a particular model to determine PRICES in a particular market. The SUPPLY here does NOT refer to MANPOWER. It refers to GOODS and PRODUCTS actually produced. It means that any imbalance between supply and demand can AFFECT PRICES. Also, DEMAND here REFERS TO CONSUMER DEMANDS. You got it?

      In fact, a recent study states that our economy improved DUE TO INCREASING CONSUMER DEMAND. The problem in this country is that it has REDUCED or DECREASING SUPPLY due to PROTECTIONISM and REGULATIONS. For example, we don’t have adequate supply of ELECTRICITY and INTERNET SERVICES due to the fact that our Constitution limits competition and FOREIGN INVESTMENT. Foreigners are barred from investing in PUBLIC UTILITIES. You don’t know these basic things because you are a MORON.

      Tell me your real name.

      Again, you don’t even understand the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS.

      “Why would you want an extra workforce if you wouldn’t gain anything out of it?”

      — The question is: what is your ideal population for this country?

      Again, arguing with you is like dealing with an imbecile. The funniest thing is you don’t even know you’re a moron.

      In your reply, I expect you to provide this information: YOUR NAME.

      C’mon, if you’re not ASHAMED of your stupid arguments, you should be very proud to reveal your name.

    • Mark Ramos permalink
      May 6, 2013 3:38

      Too long. I only read the interesting parts.

      Halatang nagbasa lang ng title etong si unrealdummy. typical pro-RH ignoramus.

      Why can’t he give the ideal population for the Philippines when he’s worried about too many people not getting jobs?

      There are countries with lower population than ours but have higher unemployment rate, like–

      Afghanistan- 25.5 million pop, 36% unemployment rate.

      Djibouti- 818,159, 59% unemployment

      Equatorial Guinea – 761,000, 30%

      Honduras- 8,385,072, 27.8%

      Kiribati- 104,573, 38.2%

      Nauru- 9,945, 90%

      Senegal- 13,567,338, 48%

      Tajikistan- 8 million, 60%

      Vanuatu- 258,213, 78.21%

      Kahit anong sabihin mo, unrealdummy, your arguments do not correlate. Masyadong gastos lang ang RH law. It will not be a good investment. Mapupunta lang sa corruption ang mga pera kagaya ng nangyayari ngayon sa PhilHealth at iba pang programs. I am an OFW so I know how PhilHealth steals our money.

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 6, 2013 3:38

        fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/the-tyranny-of-the-anti-population-bill/#comment-39056

  8. unrealdummy permalink
    May 6, 2013 3:38

    [QUOTE]First off, if you’re so proud of your arguments why not reveal your real identity?[UNQUOTE]

    It is my policy not to reveal my identity when I’m feeding the trolls, especially when they’re stupid like you. What’s up with my identity anyway? I’m not that stupid to show off the people how stupid you are. You went full retard for being a narcissist and a douche at the same time. So yeah, suck it up while I enjoy wasting my time.

    [QUOTE]“Where the hell did I say creation of wealth comes from curbing the population?
    — Then why talk about reducing our population through the RH law? Why talk about your stupid idea of law of supply and demand?[UNQUOTE]

    Because I am not talking about creation of wealth. Creation of wealth is one aspect in an economy. The dynamics of supply and demand is another, stupid douche.

    [QUOTE]Then you talked about “jobs are not unlimited” and asked, “Why would you want an extra workforce if you wouldn’t gain anything out of it?”
    What you can’t admit is that you’re so worried about of so-called ballooning population. [UNQUOTE]

    Wow! You really ran out of arguments right there! Are you lost, stupid? That’s it? You were simply guessing.

    [QUOTE]Let me repeat: THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF RH PROGRAMS IN THE PAST, IDIOT. ALL OF THEM FAILED! The RH Law will do NOTHING to curb or BALANCE our population to go with your STUPID IDEA that “jobs are not unlimited” and preventing an “extra workforce” because of your IDIOTIC law of supply and demand.[UNQUOTE]

    Oh really? Have you actually thought about why none of those worked? It’s because they’re all just administrative or executive orders and have no clear provisions on the implementation, douche! RH law on the other hand, clearly specifies and nationalizes the provisions to eliminate the inconsistencies in implementation in the LGUs as what happened to Ayala Alabang when the local officials put an ordinance requiring prescription for the damn condoms! Blame your sorry brain for missing that out.

    And by the way, before you put something in my mouth, I’m not saying that that’s the only thing it takes to make it work but that’s one of those.

    [QUOTE]You don’t even know there are countries like JAPAN that has MORE POPULATION than the Philippines. Why are more populous countries like Japan able to provide jobs and better quality of life to their people even WITHOUT ADOPTING AN RH LAW? In fact, Japan adopted PRO-NATALIST POLICIES to increase its population.[UNQUOTE]

    Well, I can give you countries with lower population than us such as Singapore, HK, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, etc! How does that sound like? Stupid, eh? Yeah, it sounds like your stupid argument, douche! OF COURSE, it has to be RELATIVE to something, idiot! Japan certainly has more population but the size of their economy and the available jobs far exceed the PH’s. You’re not a douche, you’re even less than that. Damn, can’t find a word to describe it!

    [QUOTE]Like I said, population has NOTHING to do with wealth creation. [UNQUOTE]

    I didn’t say anything like that, stupid. You really have that bad habit of putting words in someone else’s mouth. I don’t really care much about wealth creation when it’s only going to be concentrated on selected few at the expense of hard-working middle class. So yeah, I reject your concept of slavery and exploitation. But that doesn’t necessarily mean I am for freeloaders, stupid. I am FOR the hard-WORKING middle class.

    [QUOTE]The law of supply and demand is a particular model to determine PRICES in a particular market. The SUPPLY here does NOT refer to MANPOWER. It refers to GOODS and PRODUCTS actually produced. It means that any imbalance between supply and demand can AFFECT PRICES. Also, DEMAND here REFERS TO CONSUMER DEMANDS. You got it?[UNQUOTE]

    STUPID!! Of course it doesn’t when you’re taking it into the context of commodities such as that stuff you googled, IDIOT! But does that necessarily mean it doesn’t apply to the labor market? Extreme stupidity indeed! It applies to ANYTHING with VALUE and that includes human resources! I’ll give you hint, google “labor market supply demand” and look for the damn graphs, stupid! No more charity! If you’re that stupid, then I’ll let you be!

    [QUOTE]AGAIN, do not try to evade this question: SHOW ME AT LEAST ONE COUNTRY THAT WAS ABLE TO IMPROVE ITS ECONOMY THRU POPULATION CONTROL OR RH PROGRAMS.
    “One of those is Singapore.”
    – You’re indeed a MORON. Wikipedia is NEVER a good source.[UNQUOTE]

    Yes, if it doesn’t cite any reputable sources, stupid. Have you looked into its sources? No? Or do you want me to do more charity? Were you too lazy to click any of the links, stupid? And hey! Before you put something in my mouth again, I’m not saying population measures ALONE helped them to get to where they are now.

    [QUOTE]Singapore JUNKED its population control program long before Cory Aquino became RP’s president. You don’t even know your facts because you’re a MORON. in the 1980s Singapore’s policy planners decided to reverse their population control program. So instead of discouraging families to have at least two children, the government allowed them to have “three or more, if you can afford it”. It even rewarded productive families with tax rebates, subsidies for daycare, priority in school enrollment for children from large families, priority in assignment of large families to Housing and Development Board apartments, among other government incentives. [UNQUOTE]

    Of course they junked it eventually, stupid. Policies should change on a need basis. They reached their targets and their GDP exceeds their optimal population growth, so it only make sense to get their population growing back again. Are you getting the idea? Were you thinking I just want everything to go extinct, stupid? It’s all about balance.

    The point of the matter is, you stupid crackpot, population control measures (including pro-natalistic policies) had been one of their tools to help them become what they are now.

    [QUOTE]You’re indeed hopeless…
    fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/up-economists-rh-paper-emotionalism-plus-anti-intellectualism/
    Was this caused/aggravated by our huge population or by our government’s failed economic policy and protectionism?[UNQUOTE]

    It was caused by BOTH, stupid! There you go again with your false dichotomy fallacy.

    [QUOTE]I must repeat: Singapore did not become an economic tiger in Asia by controlling its population. It became so by adopting free market reforms and sound economic policies.[UNQUOTE]

    They did become an economic tiger by doing BOTH, stupid! The fact that their population measure had left significant impact is the evidence in itself that it is one of the contributors to their success. Do you have any proof that Singapore would be the same country had they not controlled the population? See, all you do is talk.

    [QUOTE]“Sorry I wouldn’t fall for that, I know where this is going. Whatever figure you might have up your sleeves, I’m sure it isn’t categorized according to class, there’s no such statistical demographics available for that. You see, higher and middle classes may have just satisfactory birth rates.”
    – See how STUPID you are! You’re so worried about our population. You’re so worried about your sick idea that “jobs are not unlimited”. You’re so worried that you insinuated about preventing an extra workforce. If you indeed fear an “an extra workforce” and if you’re so worried that jobs are not unlimited, then why can’t you tell me your ideal population and birth rate for this country?
    WHAT IS THE IDEAL POPULATION OR BIRTH RATE FOR THIS COUNTRY SO ALL PEOPLE CAN HAVE JOBS?
    [UNQUOTE]

    It depends. Even if jobs come rushing in, there’s not even a guarantee that these PALAMUNINS will be even qualified for it. They must be ELIMINATED. And for the rest of the classes, do as you can afford comfortably and as the economy can. Wasn’t that clear enough? Or were you expecting a specific number? Only stupid will specify one; everyone is different.

    [QUOTE]You can’t answer this very simple question, right? Why? BECAUSE YOU’RE A MORON![UNQUOTE]

    CAN YOU? Ahh yes because you’re too stupid to realize everyone’s different.

    [QUOTE]“What can I say? Triple facepalm! I thought I’ve gone through your stupidity on the first part but you seem to be just warming up! Oh great.”
    LMAO!!! I can’t imagine how STUPID YOU ARE! The very simple fact that you can’t understand is that the government has no capacity at all to provide jobs.[UNQUOTE]

    For the 3rd time, stop putting words in my mouth. I AM NOT FOR FEEDING THE POOR, STUPID!! In fact, I want them ELIMINATED! Got it? No, you didn’t. You -> stupid. You understand -> nothing. Got it? DO YOU GOT IT? You still didn’t! URGH!! Your stupidity is way too incomprehensible!

    [QUOTE]You’re worried about the government not being able to feed all the people? You’re crazy!!![UNQUOTE]

    DITTO

    [QUOTE]That’s a very simple logic, lunatic creature…
    “You want all the wealth to be concentrated on selected few who don’t even lift an ass to become even richer as they exploit the system and middle class to dry. So yeah, that pretty sums it up.”
    – It’s you who wants that![UNQUOTE]

    Cool, so you’re not anti-middle class then? Seriously? Do you think I”m stupid like you to believe that?

    [QUOTE] Let me ask you something. How are you going to redistribute wealth to all Filipinos? You want socialism?[UNQUOTE]

    Says who? Me? All I want is to eliminate PALAMUNINS through population measures or at least control the supply of cheap labor.

    [QUOTE] Show me ONE PROOF or STATEMENT that proves your claim I “want all the wealth to be concentrated on selected few.”[UNQUOTE]

    Whooops!! I lied! Of course you’re not! I know you do not WANT that, you just don’t know that that will be the consequence when the supply of labor goes out of control and when few monopolists gains too much power to manipulate the playing field to their favor, stupid.

    [QUOTE]I’m for opening our economy to all FOREIGN INVESTORS. Deregulation. Privatization or ABOLITION OF UP. Etcetera.[UNQUOTE]

    So do I, but unlike you, I don’t think that’s enough. I like the concept of privatization but when it’s privatized and monopolized, make sure its shareholder is the government just like how they do it in Singapore, Dubai, and other countries. Look it up, government as shareholders. They were able to lower their tax rates because their government actually earns money besides collecting taxes. That’s how they get the best of both worlds, the benefits of privatization while maintaining control. Let’s face it, some businesses can’t really have true competition and they can’t be motivated by pure capitalism alone. Pure capitalism when compared to regulated capitalism is like comparing barbarians to civilized men.

    [QUOTE]If you think that opening our country to foreign investors and repealing regulations and restrictions is favoring a select few, then why not admit you are for SOCIALISM? That’s the opposite of economic freedom. SOCIALISM.[UNQUOTE]

    To hell with that statement. *IGNORED*

    [QUOTE]You’re indeed a moron you can’t even understand a very simple statement. All the RH programs of the government in the past failed. The government spent billions of pesos to curb our population, and perhaps most of the money intended to help the poor went into the deep pockets of our corrupt politicians. This RH law will go down in history as another proof of failure of government.[UNQUOTE]

    All projects are in risk of corruption, even private projects within corporations. That’s given and that’s different problem we need to address separately.

    [QUOTE]Let me explain to you this very simple fact and let me make my stance very clear, MORON. Opposing the RH law does not mean I am in favor of more population or I don’t want a smaller population. This is what SMALL MINDS do not understand. [UNQUOTE]

    Then there’s nothing much to argue. What? After all these anti-population control stupid argument of yours?

    [QUOTE]No country has ever achieved economic growth thru population control. That’s a fact.[UNQUOTE]

    Let’s say you were actually stating a fact, for the sake of the argument. To hell with that economic growth, what’s important to me is the perceived wealth by the middle class. For example. Say there are two groups, one group of 10 people earning a dollar a day, and another group of 2 people earning 3 dollars a day. Of course the former group earns more when combined but the latter group perceives more wealth individually. So yeah, I rather belong to the latter group than the former. Again, this is just oversimplification.

    [QUOTE]Like I said, the best way to reduce population is to open our economy to foreign investors to encourage investment and to provide more jobs to people. That’s the solution to our unemployment and so-called overpopulation.I discussed those issues here—fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/filipino-people-need-jobs-not-rh/
    fvdb.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/to-neda-chief-balisacan-demographic-transition-follows-economic-growth-not-the-other-way-around/
    [UNQUOTE]

    I use to hold the same belief, promoting foreign investors is the ONLY silver bullet to all our problems. But not anymore; it’s not enough. Have you been working abroad? Have you ever felt the movements of jobs from 1st worlds to 3rd worlds? Have you ever got into a project that was handed over from Australia to India? How did it feel? If you do not, then you don’t know what you’re talking about, idiot. Everything is connected. No country is now independent of influence of another country. Get jobs from one country and you deprive them jobs. Deprive them jobs you effectively reduce their purchasing power. Reduce their purchasing power and you contract the economy. It is COMPLEX, stupid. It is not something as simple as what you have been led to believe. Blame it to the top 1% for not reinvesting the money into circulation. Your concept of economy is still too shallow, you still think resources such as jobs are infinite. They grow slowly but they are not infinite. Even corporations have supply and demand planning activities; they regulate themselves not to oversupply or they’ll go bankrupt.

    [QUOTE]In your reply, I expect you to provide this information:YOUR NAME.
    C’mon, if you’re not ASHAMED of your stupid arguments, you should be very proud to reveal your name.[UNQUOTE]

    ditto

    • Mark Ramos permalink
      May 7, 2013 3:38

      This doesn’t answer my arguments above. You’re simply repeating your ridiculous statements…

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        Yes it does. You gave examples of successful countries with more population than us. In return I gave you examples of successful countries with lower population than us. What does that tell you? It means, population becomes irrelevant if you don’t relate it to other parameters such as the size of economy and the number of jobs available.

        Yes, job creation and allowing foreign investors is one of the keys. But that alone is not enough. Job creation is a slow process and while relying solely to foreign investor is not sustainable either. Even them can run out of jobs too, and they did. It hurts them when jobs from their country are being relocated to third world slave manufacturers. That’s why, together with these policies for better job creation and allowing foreign investors, we still need to balance the population according to our own economic capacity. Those are not mutually exclusive policies.

        I hope you are getting the big picture.

      • Mark Ramos permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        “You gave examples of successful countries with more population than us.”

        — You call those countries successful? That’s why you’re too ignorant to use a computer…

        There are countries with lower population than ours but have higher unemployment rate, like–

        Afghanistan- 25.5 million pop, 36% unemployment rate.

        Djibouti- 818,159, 59% unemployment

        Equatorial Guinea – 761,000, 30%

        Honduras- 8,385,072, 27.8%

        Kiribati- 104,573, 38.2%

        Nauru- 9,945, 90%

        Senegal- 13,567,338, 48%

        Tajikistan- 8 million, 60%

        Vanuatu- 258,213, 78.21%

        “In return I gave you examples of successful countries with lower population than us.”

        where are those countries you gave? did they apply population control measure?

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        Oops my bad! Misread you there LOL but I can still use the same argument.

        You gave countries with low population and high unemployment rate, and in return I gave you countries with low population with low unemployment rate.

        Then put here the rest of my arguments. Even I, have the right to be stupid sometimes, you know?

      • Mark Ramos permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        see? that proves something…

        where are those countries you gave me?

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        If you have read my comments on that link, I gave examples. Singapore, HK, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, etc. All of those have far lower population than us.

      • Mark Ramos permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        Hahahaha! Those countries did not become rich or successful because of their very low population. It’s the other way around. They have very low population because of their economic success. This is what you don’t get because you’re an ignoramus.

        Your mentality is too simplistic. Nakita mo ung ibang bansa na mayayaman ay may kakaunting populasyon… then you concluded it’s their low population that causes their economic success. Now you want a short-cut to economic success by controlling population. Yan ang utak ng mga mangmang at walang pinag-aralan.

        Those countries you mentioned did not become progressive by first curbing their population.

        Here’s a study you should read to educate yourself… http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/population/managing_population_rev5.shtml

        In many European countries, they have very low population not because of their governments’ pop control measures. But because of the following factors:

        1. education – people are more aware of the availability of contraception and consequences an unplanned pregnancy can have on their career

        2. women in careers – Women may choose to follow their career choice rather than start a family while young

        3. later marriages

        4. state benefits – couples no longer need children to help care for them when older

        Dahil mayaman sila may mga trabaho ang mga tao, lalo na ang kanilang mga kababaihan. At dahil masyadong mababa ang kanilang birth rates, their governments encourage them to procreate.

        so, basically, you are wrong!

    • Mark Ramos permalink
      May 7, 2013 3:38

      Why can’t you give the ideal population for the Philippines when you’re worried about too many people not getting jobs?

      There are countries with lower population than ours but have higher unemployment rate, like–

      Afghanistan- 25.5 million pop, 36% unemployment rate.

      Djibouti- 818,159, 59% unemployment

      Equatorial Guinea – 761,000, 30%

      Honduras- 8,385,072, 27.8%

      Kiribati- 104,573, 38.2%

      Nauru- 9,945, 90%

      Senegal- 13,567,338, 48%

      Tajikistan- 8 million, 60%

      Vanuatu- 258,213, 78.21%

      Kahit anong sabihin mo, unrealdummy, your arguments do not correlate. Masyadong gastos lang ang RH law. It will not be a good investment. Mapupunta lang sa corruption ang mga pera kagaya ng nangyayari ngayon sa PhilHealth at iba pang programs. I am an OFW so I know how PhilHealth steals our money.

    • May 7, 2013 3:38

      “It is my policy not to reveal my identity when I’m feeding the trolls, especially when they’re stupid like you. What’s up with my identity anyway?”

      — I understand that you’re so ashamed of your arguments in that you don’t even have the guts to reveal your identity. That’s what LUNATIC TROLLS do.

      “Because I am not talking about creation of wealth. Creation of wealth is one aspect in an economy. The dynamics of supply and demand is another, stupid douche.”

      — LMAO! You don’t know anything about economics. A typical schooled MORON.

      “Wow! You really ran out of arguments right there! Are you lost, stupid? That’s it? You were simply guessing.”

      — LMAO!!! Projection. So you’re not for curbing our so-called overpopulation? You’re so stupid!

      You said: “jobs are not unlimited”.

      Your solution: CONDOMS and failed RH SERVICES. Stupid creature indeed.

      You said: “Why would you want an extra workforce if you wouldn’t gain anything out of it?”

      Your solution: CONDOMS and failed RH SERVICES. Again, what a stupid creature.

      ” Have you actually thought about why none of those worked? It’s because they’re all just administrative or executive orders and have no clear provisions on the implementation, douche!”

      — LUNATIC. Tell that to PhilHealth holders. You didn’t even read the RH law. Both of them were FUNDED, idiot. How does will the RH law solve your “not unlimited jobs” and “extra workforce” then? TELL ME.

      “Of course they junked it eventually, stupid. Policies should change on a need basis.”

      — Which means you’re wrong and you do not know the facts, because you’re a MORON. Again, show me at least ONE COUNTRY that achieved economic growth and better employment thru RH programs. You can’t because you’re a MORON…

      “They did become an economic tiger by doing BOTH, stupid!”

      — Your only proof and evidence is your EMPTY BRAIN. There’s what we call evidence. You’re simply fooling your own stupid self with your style. A MORON indeed.

      “It depends. Even if jobs come rushing in, there’s not even a guarantee that these PALAMUNINS will be even qualified for it. They must be ELIMINATED.”

      — Then that shows that you’re NOT just a MORON. You’re a LUNATIC PSYCHOPATH. You’re sick in the mind, comrade.

      This is why you’re TOO ASHAMED to reveal your identity because you know how SICK you are. It shows.

      ” Me? All I want is to eliminate PALAMUNINS through population measures or at least control the supply of cheap labor.”

      — WHY NOT ELIMINATE YOURSELF FIRST? Commit suicide. That’s what I stated HERE:

      “If you’re so worried about overpopulation, go KILL yourselves first or offer your lives to the poor and the weak until the day you die. That is, commit MASS SUICIDE as some anti-population freaks did in other countries.”

      ” you just don’t know that that will be the consequence when the supply of labor goes out of control and when few monopolists gains too much power to manipulate the playing field to their favor, stupid.”

      — LMAO! Hilarious. You’re indeed sick in the mind. That’s explains why you’re so ashamed of your real identity. Hiding behind a false nick. What a STUPID COWARD!

      “I like the concept of privatization but when it’s privatized and monopolized, make sure its shareholder is the government just like how they do it in Singapore, Dubai, and other countries.”

      — I don’t think you understood what you typed. We already have that here, IDIOT. You don’t even have the guts you want a NORTH KOREAN SYSTEM here. It’s because you’re an IDIOT. That’s why you’re so ashamed to reveal your real identity. Coward!

      “All projects are in risk of corruption, even private projects within corporations. That’s given and that’s different problem we need to address separately.”

      — Says a stupid, brainless creature. So you want a North Korean system then…

      “Then there’s nothing much to argue. What? After all these anti-population control stupid argument of yours?”

      — What are my anti-population arguments, MORON?

      “To hell with that economic growth, what’s important to me is the perceived wealth by the middle class.”

      — LMAO! That proves you’re a SICK MIND and why you’re so ashamed to reveal your real identity. To hell with economic growth? To well with the law of cause and effect? What a MORON.

      “I use to hold the same belief, promoting foreign investors is the ONLY silver bullet to all our problems. But not anymore; it’s not enough.”

      — What a stupid story… Tell that to P-Noy.

      So, when are you gonna reveal your real identity? I am enjoying this…😉 It shows that pro-RH freaks are SICK IN THE MIND.

      • unrealdummy permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        Later douche, have some work to do.

      • Mark Ramos permalink
        May 7, 2013 3:38

        unrealdummy,

        go on… we’re having fun.

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