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Warning to Facebook Bullies

November 8, 2009

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

— Omar Khayyam

When someone cursed me on Facebook I believed it was my moral responsibility to defend my rights and person. A guy named Carl Tomacruz had to drop his manners and whatever he learned from his GMRC class back in elementary (perhaps) to deal with me. In a certain Facebook group, I never directly dealt or argued with Mr. Tomacruz who, I think, is educated. I thought this guy needed to learn how to behave like a rational human being. In a brazen display of empty arrogance and vulgarity, Mr. Carl Tomacruz posted the following comment:

“Jonas, why don’t we lynch this capitalist/libertarian for what he’s worth. He’s free to keep his ideologies… six feet under.”

The message...

The message...

I didn’t have any idea who Mr. Tomacruz was, but I felt that that statement was written by a humanoid who does not belong on earth. I thought this guy needed to learn some lesson so I sent him a message. In reply to his distasteful statement, I told him the following: “That clear statement is offensive, unnecessary, unethical, harsh, uncalled for and annoying on my part. If you’re educated, which I think you are, you should know the consequences of your actions. Everyone must be responsible and accountable for his/her actions. This is part of man’s common sense and natural law. I will NEVER, NEVER let it pass! If you’re brave enough, please give me your complete name and address. Let us settle this thing in a proper forum once and for all. If I need to make a landmark case out of this incident, then by all means I’ll have to do it. But you have recourse, as part of our democratic process as they call it. I demand your public apology for that. Absent such apology, I will have no recourse but to seek redress for my grievances.”

Perhaps after realizing that he was wrong, he sent a private message to me apologizing for what he did. He stated: “I assure you, that it wasn’t me who made that false account. I may jeer and throw insults at people whom I disagree in discussions, but I would never go THAT far. If I were the perpetrator, I would be spending time manning that account. But my account’s online, almost 24-7.”

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Prior to this incident, someone used my name and photo to bully me online. Some members of a Facebook group called “I Support Reproductive Health Bill” saw nothing wrong with appropriating a person’s identity if, philosophically or ideologically, you’re not part of the group. Perhaps, my opposition to that controversial Reproductive Health Bill being pushed in Congress was the reason why Mr. Carl Tomacruz had to drop his manners and curse me online.

Mr. Carl Tomacruz offered to make a public apology for what he did. He made me believe he was sincere in issuing an apology.

The following is a conversation between Mr. Carl Tomacruz and me:

The so-called "sincere" apology of Mr. Carl Tomacruz...

The so-called "sincere" apology of Mr. Carl Tomacruz...

My message: “By the way, in regard to the stealing of identity incident, that’s just fine. And don’t be too defensive. Don’t be too obvious. I’m not accusing you of being the perpetrator. I think you people who’re applauding it are guiltier than that stupid guy who made it. Oh, this makes me think why in heaven or hell the Germans just kept mum while Hitler was burning the Jews and the world during the reign of Nazism. I suggest that you read “The Wave.” There’s also a movie version of it.”

Carl Tomacruz: “The Wave”? Yes, it’s a good film. I got an adrenaline rush from watching it.

I’m sorry, man. I suppose I’ll have to tone down my language, then Unfortunately, “debating” is what gets me riled up, riled up to call a death threat even if in jest.

I’m willing to apologize. But where would you want me to issue it? In the Reproductive Health Bill page, or in some other website?”

My message: “I cannot accept your apology here. I’d like you to make a public apology. You have been acting like a savage, an uneducated person or a hippie in that Facebook group. There’s only ONE way to argue one’s cause, and this is by arguing it in a nice way. That’s not the proper way how to debate, if that’s how you call it. I will still find ways to locate your exact address. Those comments which you posted, I think, have no room in a rational, civilized world. No, I cannot tolerate such rude, offensive, malicious and bad-mannered actuation which came from an alleged educated person.

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You even attempted to mislead me by assuming I was accusing you of creating such a fake account even after you deleted that derogatory, unethical comment of yours. I’m sorry, Mr. Tomacruz, but I have no patience with people like you. I’d like to say that most of you who hang in that group are disgusting! You all cry self-sacrifice and helping other people but the way you reacted to criticism simply negated your self-advertised personality.”

Carl Tomacruz: I’m writing my apology as we speak. I’ll post it in the Reproductive Health Bill Page rrght away. You’ll have to forgive me for I’m not that eloquent in writing in length. Don’t worry; it WILL be posted. That I can assure you.

“Anyway, I’m genuinely sorry for my words. The internet is a beautiful medium of communication, but it carries the dangers of user committing irresponsible actions with the “safety” of impunity. I’ve learned it the hard way that even within this cyber-arena we are still accountable for whatever we say.

I’m done with the apology, and I tried to post it in the Wall earlier. However, it’s too big to be posted. Anyway, here it is. I’ll try to figure out how to post it publicly.

A public apology to Vince Bersamina:

Recently, I made a comment in one of Mr. Bersamina’s links. I said, “Jonas, why don’t we lynch this capitalist/libertarian for what he’s worth. He’s free to keep his ideologies… six feet under.” They were said in jest, and were not meant to be taken seriously. I have absolutely no intentions of physically harming him, or anyone whom I disagree with. My remarks were not those of educated people, but irritable louts who shout down anyone with dissenting opinion. Mea culpa.

While the right to free speech allows us to voice out our thoughts in a public forum like this page, we must still exercise restraint, and observe proper decorum, and repect the view of the other. I realize, in hindsight, that Mr. Bersamina has as much right to his opinion as we do. I remember my heated debate with a theology professor years ago, who told me amicably: “…we can always agree to disagree without being disagreeable.” Never before have those words rung true until now.

Once again, Mr. Bersamina, I am sincerely and deeply sorry. Please accept my apologies. This has been an eye-opener for me to develop tolerance, patience, and respect for others’ beliefs. I am humbled from this experience, and shall strive to be more watchful of my words. May we all put this ghastly episode aside, and continue to discuss – in Mr. Bersamina’s words – in a nice way.

My message: “May we all put this ghastly episode aside, and continue to discuss – in Mr. Bersamina’s words – in a nice way.”
I don’t want to deal with barbaric savages. It is impossible to argue or even to talk to a herd of hippies who disregard reason and objective code of ethics and who employ unethical means in order to stop, humiliate and annoy any potential dissenter.
Again and this would be the last, I demand public apology. I cannot believe that a person of age- never mind the education- could simply utter such malicious and vexatious statements “in jest.” This is an insult to my person.

Now I just learned from a friend that Mr. Carl Tomacruz was telling people that I bullied him or threatened to file a case against him. There’s no need for me to threaten anyone. His statement is clear, as he suggested to someone that I needed some “lynching” perhaps for being intransigent in my views. I am pro-capitalist but not a Libertarian. In fact I totally reject Libertarianism. I call myself an Objectivist. Was he sincere? Only Mr. Carl Tomacruz knows…

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Leftist Politicians and the Country’s Direction?

The Controversial Visiting Forces Agreement?

Socialist RH Bill and the Concept of Right and Privilege?

The Economic Crisis and Liberal Michael Moore’s Anti-Capitalist Docu?

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60 Comments
  1. Lyle Gomez permalink
    November 8, 2009 3:38

    You sound really uptight. I agree with your objections to the RH bill for the same reasons, though I don’t consider myself an objectivist due to disagreements with Rand’s epistemology and derivation of ethics. I was fortunate enough to meet Carl this afternoon and he seemed like a really nice guy. So relax. When we talked we were in agreement with the idea that the neither the church nor the government has any right to forbid or enable anyone’s sexual behavior. I agree that his comment sounded offensive, but I don’t think it warranted such a flurry of defensive name-calling.

    • November 8, 2009 3:38

      I just learned he’s kind of in favor of China’s one-child policy with his dreadful statement “desperate times call for desperate measures. Sometimes, it has to be enforced with an iron fist.”

  2. November 9, 2009 3:38

    Vince, this happened a few weeks ago. A public apology was given and yet you post this and that and still resort to calling him names and speculating his apology insincere. Who’s the immature one now?

  3. November 24, 2009 3:38

    I really enjoyed reading your article, keep on posting such exciting stuff.

  4. Nonito Cabrera permalink
    December 3, 2009 3:38

    To Mr. Tomacruz’ (who happened to be a classmate of mine) defense, you should not have overreacted in such way if you call yourself an opinionated person. And perhaps, you should know that everything you post online is subjected to public ridicule and scrutiny.

  5. pot calling the kettle black permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    It seems that Mr. Tomacruz isn’t the bully here but you. His apology looks sincere enough but you shoot it down with such scathing assumptions. Like ML said, “who’s the mature one now?”.

    I also read the other comments in the page, and the other RH members had far more “damaging” comments than he did, especially Carlos Celdran. Why go for Mr. Tomacruz only? Is it just because he’s an easier target? Pardon me for being frank, but are you just threatening Mr. Tomacruz to boost your ego?

    • Seth permalink
      December 4, 2009 3:38

      Now isn’t this cyber bullying. I think it is you who owes someone a public apology with this post that exudes of immaturity. Singling out Carl Tomacruz out of a lot of people who had more, as Pot Calling The Kettle Black said, damaging comments is just a cowardly. Why can’t you hit on the others? Who’s being a bully now?

      Putting this… fight on public means that you really can’t handle things on your own. Perhaps, the best thing you can do is hope for the rest of the world to gang up on a guy you can’t really beat. That’s the downside of pseudo-intellectual integrity.

      • Seth permalink
        December 4, 2009 3:38

        I googled Carl Tomacruz and your post is one of the top search results. Mr. Vincent, what exactly is your motive for making this matter public? What’s clear here is that it’s not of good intent.

  6. Ambassador Rosario permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    Mr. Bersamina, the true mark of an intellectual is the ability to isolate himself from his beliefs and entertain the perspectives of others without necessarily accepting it. Differing perspectives and methods of interpretation is the merit of all-encompassing learning. You cannot expect everyone to interpret your mindset following the exact same structure you have. And, lastly, target the substance, not the delivery. Who cares if wisdom was delivered with demeaning, albeit biting, wit? One should be thankful for it, in my opinion.

  7. John Masinsin permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    Can I admit to my barbarism and just laugh at you?

    • John Masinsin permalink
      December 4, 2009 3:38

      My apologies Mr. Tomacruz, for not being specific. I meant to ask permission from Mr. Vincent Bersamina if I could laugh at him. Then again, he’d ignore me, on the premise that he “totally ignores rude, bigot and irrational commenters!” That is, if he considers this comment irrational.

  8. Anonymous permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    Wasn’t it public enough for you? I don’t know what’s wrong with his apology. Does he need to show it to the whole world? He wrote the comment on that RH Bill Facebook page. Wasn’t it right to do show the apology to the same group?

  9. Chris Chug permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    I just think people who post something like this here in net are people who can’t face their own fears and insecurities. Bullying people here and not really knowing the real issue behind. He already said sorry. What do you want more? Seems like you cannot move on and still left hanging with the issue. Move on.. and find someone to bully this time. Look for people who will believe that it’s you who is bullied. Try to make a background check and you might be shocked when you see Carl Tomacruz’s real family standing in this society. As the Chinese Proverbs says.. Don’t be a small frog inside a deep pit. You’re the frog and living in this deep pit not knowing the beauty outside of this world and realizing that your notions and principles have always been wrong. Tu comprends? A bientot mon ami.

    • Allen Samonte permalink
      December 4, 2009 3:38

      I do not think Mr. Tomacruz was sorry for what he did. To tell you, I was the one who informed Mr. Bersamina, a friend of mine, that Tomacruz was telling people in an FB group that Bersamina bullied him and threatened to file a suit against him, and that was after he made his apology. To Mr. Bersamina’s defense, I do think that what he did is justified…

    • Andrea Tan permalink
      December 4, 2009 3:38

      “Try to make a background check and you might be shocked when you see Carl Tomacruz’s real family standing in this society.”

      Wow! How pathetic! But sorry Chris I was not even surprised… So ano kung if his family has this “real standing in this society.” How clannish and racist! And how bigoted and idiotic too! So this simply means Bersamina did the right thing– he gave this insane Tomacruz the dose of his own medicine.
      Tell me, Chris Chug (if you’re an admirer of this guys or if you’re Mr. Tomacruz), did he also type those words and bully Mr. Bersamina because he thought his family has this “real family standing in this society.” Pathetic!

  10. John Masinsin permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    Hey, Mr. Anonymous, have you not read that the name is required? He’d delete your comment for sure. I’m sorry but you are not part of this post. He clearly states it in the ‘about’ section of this blog. Read it, you’d know more of Mr. Bersamina, you’d also learn how interesting of a person he is. Haha

  11. Allen Samonte permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    I do think Mr. Tomacruz deserved this. He’s acting like an uneducated person so I think Mr. Bersamina’s action is justified. And by the way, this is his warning to Facebook bullies like Tomacruz. Also, I do believe that Mr. Tomacruz acted like a barbarian…

  12. Andrea Tan permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    “Try to make a background check and you might be shocked when you see Carl Tomacruz’s real family standing in this society.”

    That’s the funniest and most pathetic comment I’ve ever seen this year! Well, birds of the same ugly feather flock together and defend themselves together…

    • Rhyne S. Peralta permalink
      December 4, 2009 3:38

      Well, tell me, Chris Chug, ano ba ang family ni Mr. Tomacruz at masa-shock kami? Well, kahit ano man ang family niya, I don’t think that that matters at all! And by the way, however you want to defend him, it’s Mr. Tomacruz who made the provocation. Mr. Bersamina is simply responding to Mr. Tomacruz’s idiocy…

  13. AJ Ver permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    To Chris Chug’s funny comment: ““Try to make a background check and you might be shocked when you see Carl Tomacruz’s real family standing in this society.” I don’t think Vincent would even get shocked…

    I think he wrote this before”
    “The respectable family that supports worthless relatives or covers up their crimes in order to “protect the family name” (as if the moral stature of one man could be damaged by the actions of another) — the bum who boasts that his great-grandfather was an empire-builder, or the small-town spinster who boasts that her maternal great-uncle was a state senator and her third-cousin gave a concert at Carnegie Hall (as if the achievements of one man could rub off on the mediocrity of another) — the parents who search genealogical trees in order to evaluate their prospective sons-in-law — the celebrity who starts his autobiography with a detailed account of his family history — all these are samples of racism, the atavvistic manifestations of a doctrine whose full expression is the tribal warfare of prehistorical savages, the wholesale slaughter of Nazi Germany, the atrocities of today’s so-called “newly-emerging nations.”

    Here’s the link: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/racism-the-most-crudely-primitive-form-of-collectivism/

  14. John Masinsin permalink
    December 4, 2009 3:38

    Do tell me, is this not a simple case of doing the same things that you hate the most?

    We all hated Mr. Tomacruz for what he did to Vincent. For being barbaric on his comments towards the latter, for being a facebook bully. And yet, here we are, bullying him, or being rude through our comments, calling him by all these adjectives. Is it not different from saying “warning to facebook bullies, I will bully you, until you shit in your pants”? We all hate him for being an idiot and for being insane, yet here we are arguing with him, what does that make us? Is it even worth it? Or maybe, you consider him as an educated person so as you could have someone to push around, someone to argue with, and someone to pour all your unused time to. We need not do the same things he does specially if we clearly state how much we hate it, because, we could all just hate ourselves for being like him.

    And with regards to racism. Are these statements not brooding with it?
    “* I don’t want to deal with hippies!
    * I’m not called upon to argue a negative!
    * I have no desire to answer or argue the impossible!
    * I totally ignore rude, bigot and irrational commenters!
    * If you have any question or something to argue about, do it in a nice way!
    * I don’t want to deal with anonymous commenters!
    * From now on, I will erase comments with evil agenda!
    * I will tell those who have estimated their intelligence and who’d judge me on an unfounded claim: “Don’t read my blogs!”
    * I don’t have any patience with people who’re just plain stupid and who miserably believe they make sense! (I believe I have only a limited knowledge and I’m grateful for the people who’re willing to share thoughts and views with me.)
    * Just be rational. I can sense if you’re simply trying to waste my time.
    * I don’t have any interest in arguing or exchanging ideas and opinions with “context-droppers,” meaning those who drop or maliciously disregard the context of what I’m saying. Once I detected that a commenter is engaging in “context dropping,” there’s no reason for me to prolong his/her stupidity or agenda.
    *Hippies, bigots and plain stupid are now allowed to comment!”

    How can people save themselves from idiocy if you smart people doesn’t have the patience to deal with them? If it is so easy for you to just dismiss them and spit on their names? It seems to me, that this blog does not offer a solution, much like what media is all about. Simply stating the problem and not offering a solution for it. And in most cases, they’re just being a part of the problem.

    Well, I guess your solution to problems are simple. Ask Ayn Rand. Then again, I could be missing a lot of points. Maybe, somewhere in this blog, the author have an original idea. I am yet to read everything.

  15. Andrea Tan permalink
    December 5, 2009 3:38

    Well, should we laugh at you now, Mr. Masisin?

    This one is both funny and pathetic– “How can people save themselves from idiocy if you smart people doesn’t have the patience to deal with them?”

    Well, why should “other” people save others from their idiocy” and why should “smart people” “have the patience to deal with them”?

    You made my day…

    • Go Tomacruz permalink
      December 10, 2009 3:38

      https://i1.wp.com/www.iwebcanada.ca/horriblecourse/banned.jpg

      MODERATOR
      If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

  16. John Masinsin permalink
    December 5, 2009 3:38

    By all means, laugh. At least I made your day.

    You ask me why other people should save others from their idiocy. It is for you people to stop hating them, and start being part of the solution rather than simply reiterating the problem. We are already aware of the problem, you need not shove it in our faces. Someone mentioned Hitler and his killing of the lesser race, how different is it from dismissing people as idiots and simply closing your doors on them. Where does the value of education fall? Then again, you could simply dismiss it as something that is not your problem, you could all just be happy being what you already are.

    So for all this, I am sorry for wasting your time.

    And as for being patient in dealing with idiots, maybe it’s just me, but I do believe that patience and humility is a good sign of wisdom. And educating the uneducated is what should be done, rather than simple shoving them off.

  17. Luis Sevillermo permalink
    December 6, 2009 3:38

    I agree with Ms. Rosario and I also personally believe that although Mr. Tomacruz may have “crossed the line” in Mr. Bersamina’s book , he shouldn’t have posted something like this here since the conflict started in a facebook group wall and that the title “Warning to Facebook Bullies” is a bit misleading.

    • Seth permalink
      December 7, 2009 3:38

      https://i1.wp.com/www.iwebcanada.ca/horriblecourse/banned.jpg

      MODERATOR:
      If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

      • AJ Ver permalink
        December 7, 2009 3:38

        Seth is none other than Carl Tomacruz… I’m 101 percent sure!

      • Seth permalink
        December 9, 2009 3:38

        https://i1.wp.com/www.iwebcanada.ca/horriblecourse/banned.jpg

        MODERATOR:
        If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

  18. Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
    December 7, 2009 3:38

    Now this is the real bully… Here’s a proof that Carl Tomacruz is a real prick!

    https://i0.wp.com/photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs019.snc3/12634_1305623239087_1185700702_30936815_4407737_n.jpg

    • Luis Sevillermo permalink
      December 7, 2009 3:38

      I don’t think that’s proof enough since Mr. Sotto was the one who insulted Mr. Tomacruz in the first place.

      • Jei-el permalink
        December 7, 2009 3:38

        If you take it into context, Mr. Sotto was trolling the RH wall. He let out a comment before this one, which only served to provoke the others. It went like “…to improve the filipino race, the must marry 50 million iranian men… since filipino women love subic and clark” or something to that effect. Too bad that one got deleted.

      • Seth permalink
        December 7, 2009 3:38

        https://i1.wp.com/www.iwebcanada.ca/horriblecourse/banned.jpg

        MODERATOR:
        If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

      • Luis Sevillermo permalink
        December 7, 2009 3:38

        See that is why I think people should stop villainizing Mr. Tomacruz. He may have said some rude comments but he’s not the only one that’s like that in the internet. people should give him a break.

  19. Jei-el permalink
    December 7, 2009 3:38

    Seth, I’ll give the troll bit the benefit of the doubt. Vince Bersamina belongs to the Randian community here in the country; he’s not the only one who thinks that way. Those “troll accounts” are probably geniune ones, but were probably used with malicious intent.

  20. Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
    December 7, 2009 3:38

    I should have posted other clips proving Carl Tomacruz is a bully and is acting like a prick pero pinagde-delete na nila dun sa FB group. It was Tomacruz who provoked Alex Sotto. Carl Tomacruz was acting like a spoiled brat… I even made a comment there. Seth is a big troll! He’s Carl Tomacruz, and I agree with Aaron. Look for my comment there, Seth/Carl.
    Vince won’t do such a thing. He’s got lot of friends… He does not even want us to join this discussion but you guys talk too much. May nagmamayabang pa tungkol sa family nila… Pakialam ko!

  21. Ambassador Rosario permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    This is completely pointless — the existence of this post and thread. Maybe if we were living in an arbitrary intellectually-constipated society, where complete freedom of speech and expression (however devoid of manner whatsoever) was inhibited, then this would be a real issue. But we’re living in a country that takes pride in welcoming the free flow of ideas. ALL KINDS OF IT. But the existence of this very post and thread counters the core essence of intellectual freedom.

    Mr. Bersamina and his allies might bring up how one should take full responsibility for one’s words and actions. Perhaps Mr. Tomacruz should — but in the context of a PUBLIC online forum, no one has the right to compel anyone to any sort of responsibility (i.e. an apology), regardless of the repercussions one’s words or actions may cause. There is no real, palpable liability in the discourse of ideas (VERY flimsy, even in the court of law) in such environment.

    I am personally insulted that a person must be made to apologize, and then afterward STILL be persecuted, for their opinion and having the guts to voice it out. In the greater scheme of things, such persecution is no different to events that led the Philippines to be heralded as the most dangerous country for journalists. “No apologies for speaking the truth” — may it be a universal truth, or a personal truth, there should be no distinction.

    I can only wish we can end everything with this: “If we cannot end our differences at least we can make the world safe for diversity.”

    • Myrtle Mila permalink
      December 8, 2009 3:38

      I’m personally insulted that the comment above (posted by someone nicknamed ambassador rosario) was written by a so-called educated human being.

      “No apologies for speaking the truth…” Does this mean that Carl Tomacruz was justified and was speaking what you called “the truth” when he posted this insanely outrageous statement- “Jonas, why don’t we lynch this capitalist/libertarian for what he’s worth. He’s free to keep his ideologies… six feet under”?

      Vincent did not compel Mr. Tomacruz to make his public apology. He simply gave Mr. Tomacruz a choice before making a legal action. Mr. Tomacruz chose to offer an apology. Did you not read the entire blog? There’s a big difference between compelling a person to make an apology and asking him to make a choice. But there’s a big difference, too, between a simply college-educated person and someone who’s rational and truly intellectual. I firmly believe “ambassador rosario” shares my definition of the first…

      • Go Tomacruz permalink
        December 9, 2009 3:38

        https://i1.wp.com/www.iwebcanada.ca/horriblecourse/banned.jpg

        MODERATOR:
        If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

      • Myrtle Mila permalink
        December 9, 2009 3:38

        This rosario talks nonsense. That’s why Vincent simply ignores her. Perhaps I can offer her a lesson… You can join too. But go tomacruz, I won’t go to that level. I’d like to borrow your words, you don’t know who you’re talking to. Just look at her arguments. It’s baloney. I’m sorry but she’s like a bimbo. It’s clear that it was Tomacruz who offered to make an apology. Is she that dumb and ignorant like you? Sang planeta ka ba galing?

      • Go Tomacruz permalink
        December 9, 2009 3:38

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      • Go Tomacruz permalink
        December 10, 2009 3:38

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  22. Ambassador Rosario permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    Hence the definition of a “personal truth”. It is highly subjective, may be held in contention, and not universally-relatable. Yes, it may be insane to some, outrageous to some, but who are we to compartmentalize its intellectual basis? Its intentions? The morality (or apparently, to some here — the lack thereof)? I don’t. And, frankly, neither should anyone.

    Technically, he was given the choice to apologize. Yes, according to the blog, it was a choice. But, in hindsight, he was forced to make it. Ooh. Yes, there is a difference.

    I do not claim any hold of level of intellect higher than anyone here. And I will never, ever claim to know what real “rational, true intellect” is. For one, I do not think anyone in this thread has the distinction of knowing so.

  23. Myrtle Mila permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    The issue here is the barbaric behavior of Mr. Tomacruz. He had the choice whether or not to make a public apology, which he did. Vincent was merely giving him a choice. It was some sort of legal strategy, if you know what I mean. Although what Mr. Tomacruz did wouldn’t fall on the definition of libel (since I advised Vincent to try ‘unjust vexation’ instead), I believed there was a need to give the perpetrator a choice– apologize or face a legal action. This is why I said it’s part of the strategy or evidence which could be presented in court.

    So, where’s the compulsion here, ambassador rosario?

    And by the way what about that ‘designation’? Are you people trying to “intimidate” Vincent and his “allies” by making it appear Mr. Tomacruz’s friends belong to a so-called elite or high society. By trying to imply “don’t ever attempt to touch us because we’re elite!” One Tomacruz’s ally even posted the following: “Try to make a background check and you might be shocked when you see Carl Tomacruz’s real family standing in this society.” What of it? A truly strong person wouldn’t mind showing his strength… That strategy is simply what they call POSTURING… That’s exactly what I call racist or bigoted mentality… For Objectivists that pathetic style won’t work! Gasgas na po yan.

  24. Ambassador Rosario permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    On the former, the compulsion comes in on the side of Mr. Tomacruz. Given his circumstances, that I suppose the other party is thoroughly unaware of, he was not given any choice (aforementioned circumstances need not be divulged, of course). The most (only?) viable option was to apologize. And personally, it was generally unwarranted. But, again, this is my stance. I do not assume that Mr. Tomacruz or his well-wishers share my views.

    As for intimidation, I have no comment on that. I am not, in any way, affiliated with Mr. Tomacruz’s other peers. I would highly appreciate it if I was excluded from the generalization.

    Actually, you could say I interjected in this discussion because, as I have heard, the people in this thread are of another school of thought. You mentioned objectivism. This perspective is really fascinating to me. You see, I am a social constructivist/relativist through and through (hence the occasional clash of views), and I have been entertained (so far) since participating in this thread.

  25. Go Tomacruz permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

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  26. Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    No, we don’t hate Carl Tomacruz, Go Tomacruz (who I think is Tomacruz himself.) We simply pity him.

    • Jei-el permalink
      December 8, 2009 3:38

      And you, sir, are paranoid. To you everyone who sides with Mr. Tomacruz is Mr. Tomacruz himself. Everyone has friends too, you know. Maybe you should meet him – in the flesh – to settle the score. I may not know the dude personally, but I’m just suggesting it so that both sides come to a decent understanding.

      • Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
        December 8, 2009 3:38

        Then I am paranoid, if that’s what you want.

        I was involved in that FB group. In fact I even made a comment in the past wherein Tomacruz called me names. I can say that he’s got barbaric tendencies. Again, I was the one who informed Vince about what’s goin’ on in that FB group since I think he was banned by its creator. Mr. Tomacruz was simply prattling on about his unfounded claims against Vincent. In short I was the one who encouraged Vincent to post this blog. I think Mr. Tomacruz KNOWS the reason behind it. I think you should ask Mr. Tomacruz himself. Perhaps ask him why Vincent questioned his sincerity. This will be my last comment…

        I just hope Vincent would erase some of the baloney comments here…

      • Jei-el permalink
        December 8, 2009 3:38

        That’s not my business, Rendell. Like I said, Why don’t YOU get it straight from the horse’s mouth? It’s so easy to act all tough and “high and mighty” in the Internet; you’re just facing a screen with words on it. Facing your adversary in person is a totally different matter. I doubt whether you, or Vince, or any of your friends would be this hostile.

        Mr. Lyle Gomez agrees with Vince’s ideology but met Mr. Tomacruz face to face and found him to be “a really nice guy.”

        Give it a chance. What’s there to lose?

  27. Luis Sevillermo permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    Let’s not act high and mighty Mr. Samonte when all you’ve contributed in this thread is a bunch of flimsy claims. Pity? Who are you to pity him Mr. Samonte? I don’t think what Mr. Tomacruz did was pitiful. In fact it was admirable since a ‘troll’ as you’ve eloquently put it would never apologize for his callous action.

  28. Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    Tomacruz replied to my comment on Alex Sotto’s posts about 30 minutes ago and you guys are almost sabay-sabay na nag-comment sa akin… Hmmmmmmmmm… I smell something fishy here… Tomacruz said: “You’re a kind man, Mr. Samonte.”

    Why naman sabay-sabay kayo lahat… hehe!

    • Jei-el permalink
      December 8, 2009 3:38

      I call it paranoia. It is purely coincidential. I commented right after Luis Sevillermo’s; does that make him me? Or Mr. Tomacruz, for that matter?

      If you were to ask me, there’s a big chance Mr. Tomacruz is reading the blog as we speak. I don’t think he has the gall to comment here; I bet he’s still shitting his pants!

    • Luis Sevillermo permalink
      December 8, 2009 3:38

      You’re funny Mr. Samonte I’d give you that. So what if my comment is “almost sabay” with Mr. Tomacruz’s comment? I really don’t understand where this is leading.

  29. Allen Rendell Samonte permalink
    December 8, 2009 3:38

    By the way, Joy Anne Santos is a common friend of mine… She’s real. She exists! She’s an ate, fyi… Only reality can tell who’s telling the truth and who’s trolling… You can message my friends to make sure I’m not trolling here…

  30. Alex Santos permalink
    December 10, 2009 3:38

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    • Jei-el (Kal-El's long lost cousin) permalink
      December 10, 2009 3:38

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  31. Alex Santos permalink
    December 10, 2009 3:38

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    This blogsite warns verbal-hooligans like ALEX SANTOS. Don’t act like a monkey… Our apologies to monkeys.

    If you want join the discussion state your REAL NAME, which should be verifiable. Rational and civilized people know how to follow blog instructions. Most commenters can only muster the courage to post rude, unprintable comments if they comment anonymously. It’s a sign of disrespect and cowardice. This blogsite does not sanction disrespect and cowardice. It will also give an impression of guilt- that the anonymous commenter spewing expletives and rude comments is the main SUBJECT of this blog…

    • J. Brooks permalink
      December 10, 2009 3:38

      I just saw this post and just wanna comment on how some people behave here. This is the reason why we must delete rude comments. Some people firmly believe they are always entitled to freedom of expression. This blogsite is a private property and the owner has the right to delete derogatory, churlish comments. Vincent cannot give his sanction to people who have nothing to say but expletives and unfounded claims. I have seen a lot of rude commenters on this site who deserved to be banned. Most of them usually boast of their family and school. I think this is the difference between Americans and Asians. Asians and (I think, Filipinos) are too clannish. We Americans are not, that’s why we claim our independence when we turn 18. We don’t care about where you got your diploma. A friend of mine who has investments in the Philippines told me most Filipino businessmen are too school-conscious. I think this is one reason why most Filipino businesses fail and go bankrupt. This is the reason why Philosophy matters.

      • Jei-el permalink
        December 10, 2009 3:38

        True. Meritocracy doesn’t exist in the Filipino dicitonary. It all boils down to what school you come from, and the connections in the higher ups.

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