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When UAAP is Reduced to Mere Academic Bigotry; When a School Preaches Anti-Reason and Bigotry

October 6, 2009

The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.”– Ayn Rand

 

May the best team win...

UPDATE: THE PHILOSOPHY OF ACADEMIC BIGOTRY

INDIVIDUALISM OVER COLLECTIVISM

LONG JOURNEY TO REASON

The question isn’t who is going to let me, it’s who is going to stop me…

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“WIN or lose, it’s the school we choose!” This is the Ateneo mantra in the UAAP. What does this bigoted slogan mean? It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates. It means that men of ability like Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Chief Justice Renato Puno, and many great Filipinos who did not graduate from Ateneo are nothing. It means that greatness and prestige are something that is automatic, unearned, anointed or decreed. No argument is possible for this kind of pathetic thinking.

Why is the Catholic Church the greatest EVIL of the Dark Ages? Click image for the story..

Why is the Catholic Church the greatest EVIL of the Dark Ages? Click image for the story..

Academic bigotry now looms in the air as the UAAP Season 72 basketball Game 3 comes to town. I don’t think this kind of

racism or bigotry is justified. A few days after the UE Red Warriors demolished the Ateneo Blue Eagles’ championship ambition, several online comments, blogs and forums had the stench of academic bigotry.

Let me define academic bigotry. This is not about the usual bigotry whereby the so-called superior race discriminates against an inferior race, but that new type of racism that has a broader and wider scope— wherein identification is not by the color of the skin, but by one’s capacity to send himself to a so-called elite school.

Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is a battle cry for the UNEARNED, for something that is outside the attributes and character of an individual. It’s a battle cry for ZERO… One can’t have a battle cry for the negative or ZERO unless he’s a second-hander, brainwashed or a bigot. This mantra means that it is the SCHOOL that determines your virtues, win or lose.

There have been a lot of bigoted rants and irrational tirades on the cyberspace in the aftermath of typhoon Ondoy and the Game 2 match between the Red Warriors and the Blue Eagles. Most of these lunatic rants made me scratch my head and asked: What’s wrong with some people in this country? It is never the role of academic institutions to turn young people into bigots or to mold them into a gang of irrationals. Schools are supposed to teach them how to think rationally— to preach the primacy of reason over faith, tolerance over bigotry.

I am very proud of how the Red Warriors forced a rubber match. They were able to show their class—that despite the rashness and provocative demeanor of some of the main players of the desperate Blue Eagles, they were able to keep their cool. The most improved Elmer Espiritu saved the day for the Warriors, nailing 22 points. At the final buzzer, the Recto-based dribblers thrashed the players from Katipunan, 88-68. In sports, the creative man is motivated by his desire to achieve, not by his desire to beat others.

Bigotry is nothing...

Bigotry is nothing…

It was disappointing and nauseating to see a number of chauvinist rants online. These academic bigots need to be reminded that this is all about basketball, and there is no need for them to shout that their school is the “best” in the Philippines. UAAP is not a popularity contest. It is not about bigotry or empty arrogance. The purpose of the UAAP is to encourage young people to achieve in the field of sports—to showcase their talent and embody the spirit of camaraderie and sportsmanship.

UAAP now appears to be the microcosm of this country. There was one time when I was really appalled at how the fans of a Catholic university team behaved, shouting bigoted invectives like “tuition niyo baon ko lang!” Most of these people behaved like they were conceived through Adolf Hitler’s Lebensborn. Who could ever forget that cheap shot of De La Salle University official on former FEU Tamaraw Arwind Santos, who is now a thriving PBA player and a millionaire? Several years ago, Ronald Tubid endured the bigotry of some irrationals in Ateneo and De La Salle. Today, Tubid is now a PBA sensation, reaping the fruits of his own achievement.

Academic bigotry is anti-intellectual...

Academic bigotry is anti-intellectual…

These academic bigots must be reminded that school does not define man’s future and destiny. The main role of education is to teach students how to live their lives—by developing their mind and equipping them to deal with reality. The school that teaches its students to take things on faith and to regard pride and self-esteem as an external phenomenon is the par excellence of an evil educational institution.

Academic bigotry has no room in a civilized world...

Academic bigotry has no room in a civilized world…

There’s nothing wrong for students to feel pride as long as it proceeds from their clear understanding of their own ability and achievement. Pride and self-esteem are attributes personal to an individual— they are earned, not inherited or anointed. To feel proud, one must know the meaning of pride. To have self-esteem, one must fully understand the essence of personal achievement. Students who take such important abstractions as pride and self-esteem on faith (because they were told so by their own professors) are nothing but a bunch of idiots.

The school that teaches its students to take things on faith and to regard pride and self-esteem as an external phenomenon is the par excellence of an evil educational institution.”

Bill Gates made the greatest choice of his life when he decided to drop out of Harvard. It’s not his choice of school that made him great in what he does; it’s his fundamental choice to succeed in life. I must remind you, guys, that basketball and choice of school are opposite variables. These two variables belong to different perspectives. Choice of school is something that we do when we turn 16 or 17. Our goal in sports is something that must be achieved through our own personal virtues and ability.

Observe that most people of their kind are also clannish. This is why I wasn’t surprised when a famous columnist revealed that President Gloria Arroyo and her husband call their aides and guards “muchachos.”

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498 Comments
  1. Officially A Bigot Because I Chose Ateneo permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Hi!

    Indeed, you have highlighted great points in your entry and I agree with your key note regarding bigotry and how it is ultimately uncalled for. But, for some weird reason, I could not seem to reconcile how the Ateneo slogan is bigot. It’s simply a matter of expressing one’s pride with an alma mater he/she belongs to. “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” simply means “no matter what happens, this school will always be that school I’m hella proud of”. I believe that most UAAP students, or any other student from any university, would opt to choose their school over any other school no matter what happens (‘cept, of course, for a few events that would threaten a certain student’s values. But I digress…). Would that be bigotry on their part? I don’t think so.

    The derogatory remarks, of course, are never excusable. But let’s not blame the slogan (or the Ateneo) alone for that. I think we’re all to blame for spawning an ideological construct here that has made oppressive the way we talk about universities. I, for one, think that any other university is guilty for reinforcing those stereotypes. I daresay that somewhere in UE, a student is posting on his/her Facebook status a little something about his/her prejudiced thoughts against Ateneo (maybe something about the Ateneo slogan? Just saying.). Or, that somewhere in USTe, an alumni would have posted something derogatory about FEU as based merely on what stereotype attached to the latter. The point is, we oughta stop pointing fingers here because we’re all part of a greater schema that has tainted our minds with preconceived notions about the other university. The least we oughta do is keep our minds open and our traps shut.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      @Mr. FVDB:

      Congratulations, you’re on the Internet!

      Haven’t we all learned from Jacque Bermejo yet? It’s easy to say shit by pretending to be someone else and get away with it. It’s amazing what anonymity can do, no?

      It could have been just easily done by a UE fan (in this case, to make Ateneans look like assholes) as it would have been by an ADMU fan (still, to make all other good-natured Ateneans look like assholes), or anyone else looking to stir up trouble. Any DECENT person, Atenean or otherwise, would not think to participate in such bigotry.

      Even if they are who they claim to be, does that necessarily reflect the institution (or everyone else under it, for that matter)?

      Is it really worth all that philosophical musing? If you wrote this in response to half-assed comments you read on the ‘Net, then you’ve been trolled on an epic scale.

      (No, I’m neither an ADMU or UE fan.)

  2. October 6, 2009 3:38

    I think I wrote an article that focused on the philosophy that poisons young people’s minds, and stated that the worst enemy of a civilized society are not the communists or socialists– it is the universities. Why did I consider that slogan a statement of bigotry? It is because that slogan reflects the mindset of your institution, which can be deduced to this– that man’s achievement and choices are unimportant so long as you chose an institution that preaches artificial self-esteem. Hitler also used this same kind of slogan, albeit in another perspective. Hitler preached that no matter the flaws or inability of his people, so long as they were Aryans they had the right to rule the world. This kind of thinking only fits the mindset of a bunch of collectivists who attribute their greatness or ability to a state, institution, family or any mythical idea.
    You’re right in saying that we must put the blame on the dominant ideology that rules our society, but what sets this kind of ideological construct? Government, media and educational institution form part of the superstructure, but the most powerful of them all are the universities. Like what I said, “There’s nothing wrong for students to feel pride as long as it proceeds from their clear understanding of their own ability and achievement. Pride and self-esteem are attributes personal to an individual— they are earned, not inherited or anointed. To feel proud, one must know the meaning of pride. To have self-esteem, one must fully understand the essence of personal achievement. Students who take such important abstractions as pride and self-esteem on faith (because they were told so by their own professors) are nothing but a bunch of idiots.”
    Besides, this is all about basketball… Your premise would have been justified if we were in a Nazi-type state. Check your premises.

    • XLII permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Godwin’s Law would state that your argument is crap, but that’s a piece of bullshit.

      You obviously want to be a non-conformist, but in the process of doing so, you are no better that all the people who follow the norms, the difference is just that they follow a majority… and you don’t.

    • atenean permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” simply means that we are loyal and proud of our school. it means that whatever happens, we will stand by it.

      plain and simple. so there is really no need to implicate or push any hidden meaning to it.

    • blueblooded permalink
      February 22, 2010 3:38

      You said “[w]hy did I consider that slogan a statement of bigotry? It is because that slogan reflects the mindset of your institution, which can be deduced to this– that man’s achievement and choices are unimportant so long as you chose an institution that preaches artificial self-esteem.”

      The important question is this: have you ever studied in Ateneo at one point in your life? If you haven’t, you can’t really objectively talk about what is being taught in the school, right? Speaking from an observer’s point of view is simply that – simplistic. Until you’ve been immersed in the tradition in that school you’re ranting about – you will never really know what the thrust of its teachings are.

      In all my eight years studying in the school you have been lambasting, I have never encountered a professor, be jesuit or not, who taught us that pride and self-esteem are external factors. What we were taught is that belonging in the Ateneo institution is an obligation. An obligation to do things with magis, an obligation to be a man for others. The feelings of the community on the other hand is a different matter. Who wouldn’t feel pride in belonging to such an esteemed community?

      If there are some who takes their pride to radical levels, that’s not the school’s fault. Blaming the school for the actions of a few is nothing but a sweeping generalization.

  3. paolo permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    The phrase “When a School Preaches Anti-Reason and Bigotry” smacks of bigotry as well. I could be proud of my school per se, it does not have to come at the expense of other schools.

    and yes, it is a basketball game, if we lose it will only mean ue was the better team. still, loyal pa rin ako sa ateneo. simple

    as much as you attempt to sound rational, the vitriol still comes out.

  4. October 6, 2009 3:38

    Hi, Officially A Bigot Because I Chose Ateneo…
    By the way thanks for dropping by. Yes, I posted comments on my status regarding how some schools behave, but most of them centered on the idea of reason over faith– that it is immoral or improper for man to accept things on faith. I must say that I’m a self-educated person. I learned a great deal from ideas and principles not being taught in any university in the Philippines. I’d like to say that my teachers in philosophy are Aristotle and Ayn Rand. My mentors in economics and business are Ludwig von Mises and Ron Paul, although in regard to this matter, I’m still in the process of self-education. Most of Philippine universities preach or teach the opposite. The ruling philosophers of this country are Kant, Marx, Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church ( I think I must add Bob Ong and Soriano). The dominant thinkers in the field of economics are Keynes, Smith and their derivatives. The undiscovered great battle in this country is between Individualism and Collectivism. Most people are not permitted to understand this epic battle because of the kind of philosophy that most so-called elite schools preach. I must add that bigotry is an attribute of collectivism. Like racism, academic bigotry is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s educational background—the notion that a man’s intellectual and personality traits are produced and transmitted by his diploma. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of educators.

    • Arthur permalink
      October 6, 2009 3:38

      I don’t think it’s fair to generalize, especially since there are many Ateneans who aren’t indentured into the culture of bigotry you describe in your post, more so, the students of the University of the East aren’t completely innocent There are as many anti-Ateneo posts as there are anti-UE posts, and perhaps it would have been better if you underscored some of the posts from bigots from other schools if you wanted to make a fair approximation of the competition in UAAP.

      I am not proud of what some of the members of the Ateneo team did last Sunday, nor am I trying to act as an apologist for all those who trash-talked in the forums in the hours after the game. All I am saying is that it would be unfair to brand all Ateneans as bigots because of people who post on forums under anonymous usernames that will provide no concrete evidence as to whether or not they do belong to the Ateneo community.

      Consider the variables before making sweeping remarks, because in the end, all the arguments you make might collapse on the premise that they were founded on fallacies and false premises. I do share your sentiments with regards to the bigotry of the few, but I don’t think you can honestly formulate a link between that bigotry and the traditions of an institution, whether or not that institution is the Ateneo or any other university in the UAAP.

  5. nico permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    In defense, the words “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is a battle cry that expresses loyalty to our school. Basically it says “We will not turn our backs on our school even if we suck.” The early part of this writeup that knocks on this battle cry oozes with bias and generalizations based on the negative things that have been written online.

    It’s quite sad to see that, once again, it’s the bad apples that get the full attention of the critics in this situation. To be honest, I was extremely disappointed by our performance and believe that we (Ateneo) still could have won that game if we simply adjusted our strategy and exploited UE’s weaknesses. This is my belief in the abilities of my school and our players and I’m sure others have theirs.

    But here’s what happened: the Warriors did a fantastic job of exploiting ours. Our players’ heads were hung so low they could smell their socks. Breaks of the game, I say. All questions will be answered in game 3.

    Now on to the point of this post. What can I say? There are people who can go beyond superficial associations and see that light in other people; and there are others who will forever be blinded by their own pride and bigotry. There are some people from Ateneo and other “elite” schools who do not recognize the “other” as a person of equal light.

    There are two sides to the UAAP. The sportsmanship and camaraderie and the cheap shots and trash talking. But the fact is, nobody wants to lose and everyone wants to win. This brings out the best and the worst in many people. People love to snowball things out of proportion. It transforms from a friendly competition to a social war. This is a fact and is the nature of this and all other forms of competition.

    But this does not mean that all of this negativity is okay. What begs an answer now is, who do we pay attention to? The bitter bigots or the people who truly appreciate and love this game? I hate the fact that Monfort and Salva did what they did. What gives them the right to taint the game that I love? It’s great that the UE players were cool and collected the whole time. But where does all the attention go? What’s the one that gets shown over and over again on instant replay?

    I believe the same goes for the online community. If we try to dig a little deeper you will be able to find great analyses and sportsmanlike comments. More attention on these positive things will show these bigots that, yes, there is equal or even greater talent outside our school.

    In the national context, I see a similarity. I think that people (the media) tend to focus on the wrongs more than the rights. This is not to say that these bigots, oppressors and thieves should not go unpunished. No way. What I mean to say is that there are people out there doing a lot of good and I think the resources spent focusing on these negatives are keeping the positives from doing so much more than what they can do.

  6. October 6, 2009 3:38

    Nico, I agree to some extent, but that slogan, which to me is clear enough to deduce, is not proper- to my own understanding- to an educational institution that is supposed to preach reason and the essence of man’s achievement. “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose,” to me is a battle cry for the unearned, for something that is outside the attributes and character of an individual. That it is the school that determines your virtues, win or lose.
    The first time I saw this slogan about two years ago, it is as if the hands of time reverted back to the Nazi Germany era. I felt that there’s something to dread about this slogan, and the same is not just proper to be embraced by an institution of learning or of reason. The antidote to this kind of creed– or mantra– is this: “The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.”
    But I must ask you, Nico. Is this slogan not self-defeating? In sports, my understanding is that it is the personal virtues and ability of the individual that propel him to success, not the belief or dogmatism that he/she belongs to a “great” institution of learning. I hope you’re familiar with the story of Luz Long and the great Olympian Jessie Owens during the Berlin Olympics. Hitler used the same mantra although in a political perspective. Win or lose, it’s the country where you belong that determines your greatness…

    • Karla permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Sir, may I ask you, what is wrong with pledging allegiance to a school that has given and taught us so much? What is wrong with standing by what we believe in (in this case our school and the education — not purely academic — it offers us) whether it’s winning or losing?

      Honestly, I think it shows moral fiber.

      It’s much easier to just side with whoever is winning.

      But we don’t do that. We went to the Ateneo because we believe in the kind of education it offers (Sure, there are those whose parents just forced them to study here, but most of us make our own decisions.). That’s why we sing our song with pride, most especially this line, “WIN OR LOSE IT’S THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE” — which we scream out with conviction.

      By writing this, you have desecrated our alma mater song. Consequently, you have desecrated our entire education, what Ateneo stands for and what each of us believes in.

      I am not tolerating the trashtalking so many do. Many of those who have replied here have said that it is nothing to be proud of. But generalizations, I guess you know this having educated yourself very well, are hardly credible. You have generalized so badly that, really, you destroyed your own argument and your credibility.

      Right now, I kind of feel a little low to even reply to this biased blog, but I couldn’t resist when I read your reply to one of the comments:

      “Yes, I posted comments on my status regarding how some schools behave, but most of them centered on the idea of reason over faith– that it is immoral or improper for man to accept things on faith.”

      Sir, if you think faith is not enough for certain things, then you have a big problem. You will never know what authentic love or authentic hope is.

      Good luck to you. May you find happiness in your life.

    • XLII permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      “The first time I saw this slogan about two years ago, it is as if the hands of time reverted back to the Nazi Germany era. I felt that there’s something to dread about this slogan, and the same is not just proper to be embraced by an institution of learning or of reason.”

      >>> Seeing as you have a picturesque idea of what Nazi Germany is…
      (a) You enjoy making life melodramatic (b) You lived in Nazi Germany 80-something years ago (c) You were not accepted into the Ateneo, the Ivy League, and all other universities you enjoy picking on (d) You are a poser who copies what his “mentors” believe and proposes it as his own

      take your pick😀

      NOTE: I, to some extent, agree with your idea of individualism being “better” than collectivism. However, you exaggerated all your claims, citing several trolls as reference to (I concede, however, that some of your points of reference are legit). As a result, it takes time for one to fully understand what you are trying to say [hence, many Ateneans hate you]. For someone who believes in objectivism, you are not very objective.

      P.S. I planned on reading Atlas Shrugged earlier this year, but I didn’t due to my busy schedule.

    • Kliff Young permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      This guy is funny. He has a wrong understanding of Ateneo’s motto, “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.” Then when he realizes that, he tries to confuse people with reasons very unrelated so as to make the point more and more vague by the minute. Hahahaha. Better put this post down. Rethink. We can see the undertones of insecurity in everything you say. But, gujab boi. You really made us all laugh.

  7. Jeff Sy permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Well, it seems such an argument can be extended to a national scale.
    Why should we be proud to be Filipinos?
    Why give importance to the artificial construct that we call “country” or “nation”?
    Why don’t we ditch the National Anthem all together?

    What I’m trying to say is that school pride is okay. The slogan “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is okay. Why? Excluding those who are truly bigoted (who I suspect would still be bigoted, no matter which school they enter), I would like to think that most people made a choice to go to the Ateneo because of its ideals and quality of education. When a student agrees with the ideals of the school, and the direction it is going, why should he not be proud of identifying with it?

    What the slogan means is that winning or losing in amateur sports was not the deciding factor when we chose the school. And by going through the rigors of the coursework, we attain a sense of personal achievement which we are proud of. What is wrong with that? By attending the Ateneo, we were pushed to achieve and be men for others, and lights in the Lord. Now why should we be ashamed of the choice we made?

    • Chi permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      Thank you for saying this.

      I think it’s funny that one who so passionately blows the whistle on “academic bigotry” is quite the bigot himself. FVDB, the comments (from other users, not your own) I’ve seen thus far have been sensibly worded, and were in fact quite logical.

      For future reference (because your premise is founded on assumptions, and your arguments collapse under the weight of your ambition– Hitler, really?), you might want to base your definition on something that holds actual credence; not bring it all back to yourself. You might also want to establish a fair argument that draws the line from loyalty to one’s alma mater to the stubborn, closed-minded refusal to acknowledge anything outside said alma mater, taking into consideration (of course) ill-expressed fervor, and outsiders trying to make the other party look bad. This entire essay is founded on an entirely too simplistic approach; you’d benefit from looking from all possible angles.

  8. dan permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    oo nga mali sha. sabi nia win or lose its the school YOU choose pero yung totoong song ay win or lose its the school WE choose.

  9. So-called bigot permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    First and foremost, it’s “Win or lose, it’s the school WE choose,” not “school YOU choose.” I can’t help but notice that because if that (wrong) slogan is the root of everything you wrote about here, then you have got it all wrong.

    We are not imposing anything on anyone else. Why the hell would we want you to choose Ateneo if you are from another school?

    How could we possibly expect you to understand that “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” does not mean merely supporting university athletics, but runs much deeper in the spirit of excellence and doing something more, cura personalis/ personal care and concern and developing the wholeness of a person and not just particular and selected dimensions of his being (among so many others)? As Ateneans, it’s only natural that WE WILL ROOT FOR ATENEO. In saying that, we are showing support for our teams and for our school. In saying that, we are NOT disregarding anyone else’s achievements just because they are not from Ateneo.

    The reason we stress on that whenever we sing the alma mater song (yes, that line is from the school song which is why I am taking time to write all of this down) is because of all that we have gained from Ateneo, not just because we want to trash talk in the UAAP. I owe a lot to my school and I know I have been taught well, which is why I am one of your so-called bigots that shout that line whenever I get the chance to. And why not, if I sincerely believe it to be true? It just so happens that more or less 50% of the audience in Araneta believe it to be true as well. Why should it be taken against us?

    Simply put, the cheers, the songs, that mantra that you hear from Ateneo during games are but a part of showing our support for and gratitude to our school. What you see is just the surface; our cheesy mantras like “puso,” “believe,” and “one big fight” stem from how we have been taught and what we have learned, not just said for the sake of basketball.

    Of course the trash talking is another issue. I do understand that some Ateneans can be incredibly crass during games. In the other comments you posted, yes I admit there are some that merit the title “bigot.” I have seen other schoolmates and alumni that merit the title bigot. But we have gotten the same remarks from other schools (especially DLSU) and that’s only expected. “Kalaban” mo eh, tingin mo kakampi yon sayo? While it’s no reason to hit below the belt over and over, I just think that everything should be taken with a grain of salt. In the real world, Ateneans work with La Sallians, UE graduates (Warriors?), etc. Even the players from the different schools meet each other in other leagues. Deal with it and move on.

  10. October 6, 2009 3:38

    To all:
    Bill Gates made the greatest choice of his life when he decided to drop out of Harvard. It’s not his choice of school that made him great in what he does; it’s his fundamental choice to succeed in life. I must remind you, guys, that basketball and choice of school are opposite variables. These two variables belong to different perspectives. Choice of school is something that we do when we turn 16 or 17. Our goal in sports is something that must be achieved through our own personal virtues and ability.
    I’d like to understand that this “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” slogan is part of the morale-boosting strategy of ADMU, but the same only connotes that greatness or prestige is something that’s automatic, UNEARNED, anointed or decreed. Again, this kind of choice is totally UNIMPORTANT– and improper in the field of sports. In any sport, it is the man of ability and determination who’ll bring home the bacon, and not the man who enrolled himself in a so-called elite university. The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.
    I’d like to ask– is this ‘distorted philosophy’ the root cause of the “bigotry” of some of your folks?

    • Karla permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Alam mo, come out with it already. If you think Ateneo sucks as a school, if you think it doesn’t offer anything academically or otherwise, say it.

      Stop hiding in the shadows of the great men and women of history, philosophy and the world.

      Really.

      And check your stats.

      Ateneo, along with a bunch of other universities in this country, are proven to produce good graduates. People who would not resort to quoting and misinterpreting philosophers and the lives of great ones to prove a point.

      Why target our school alone?

      Don’t other schools have alma maters that show their students’ loyalty?

    • Kliff Young permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      The man didn’t pass Ateneo. Plain and simple. He’ll tell you he didn’t even apply, or he passed but chose another school, but he can’t prove it. Hahahaha. Fool.

  11. nico permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    I hope you’re not implying that the next Hitler will come from Ateneo. Haha! Jokes aside, I see where you are coming from. It’s the choice of words in the slogan. You think that “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is an abbreviated version of “Win or lose, it’s the school YOU/WE choose (Ateneo) that determines your greatness.”

    From where I stand, “Win or lose, it’s the school we chose” continues to the line “this is the place where we belong.” It’s very dogmatic, yes, but what kind of educational institution will you be when you do not have something that may bind your students to your standards?

    I believe the great teachers who you follow had a similar standard that they adhered to. Otherwise, there would not be any debates between them and there would be no philosophy. Without dogma, there is no logical thinking. You have to believe in what you think is true first before you can begin to argue against people who believe that their truth is truer than yours.

    This cry that I follow states that I will not lose faith and leave when we’re losing and come back when we’re winning. This line in the song says that we stand resolute and we have integrity and loyalty, which, I believe, are very good traits to have as a person.

  12. academic bigot permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Please re-evaluate your statement re: Karl Marx being typologized as a “ruling philosopher” in this country. Last time I checked, we were a liberal-capitalist democratic regime and not a communist one. Kthxbai. The phrase “ruling philosopher” would immediately logically overtly be manifested in terms of being an operational hegemon–both in tangible structures/institutions as well as individual ideological affiliations. This is the Philippines, not the USSR.

    Yours,
    an Ateneo-trained political theorist

  13. October 6, 2009 3:38

    Nico, you’re wrong in saying that “the great teachers who you follow had a similar standard that they adhered to.” Ayn Rand’s seminal philosophy now challenges the academic and religious dogma in the United States. She claimed that she graduated from a Russian university controlled by the communists in the early nineteen hundred before she immigrated to the United States in 1921. She’s not a Harvard or Yale graduate, but most of her popular critics behaved like elementary pupils in the way they criticized her. Many times Rand claimed that it is the universities that would destroy America, particularly Harvard University. I think it’s true and it’s happening today. Rand was able to predict the course of America through her book Atlas Shrugged. Why? Because she knew the philosophical trend that poisoned the minds of most Americans during her lifetime.
    In the Philippines, it is the dominant philosophy of most elite schools that is the worst enemy of this country. It is not the communists or the corrupt politicians. The essence of my statements here are expounded in my previous articles. I stated in my previous blogs what is the moral base of this country and why it is doomed to failure. This is the reason why I felt disappointed with how some folks behave today. This basketball and bigotry thing is one of the proofs. Most schools today teach or preach the virtue of altruism, self-sacrifice and collectivism. What I’m actually attacking, if you observed, is the philosophy behind this bigotry– the impelling power behind the so-called passion of some people in these parts.

  14. Meron permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    “WIN or lose, it’s the school we choose!”
    means that winning is not exactly the end goal for Ateneans. It is merely an added plus. The point is not to emphasize that Ateneo is the best above all but that we believe in the Ateneo and what it can offer. We have faith and trust.

    “It means that greatness and prestige are something that is automatic, unearned, anointed or decreed.No argument is possible for this kind of pathetic thinking.” I agree. That line is YOUR interpretation and IS an example of PATHETIC thinking. you could not have expressed it any better

    academic bigotry? “There have been a lot of bigot rants and irrational tirades on the cyberspace in the aftermath of typhoon Ondoy and the Game 2 match between the Red Warriors and the Blue Eagles.”
    There are good and bad sides in everything. Who are you to judge a whole institution of thousands of students by an insignificant amount of rants you have read as irrational. There are many irrational catholics but does that mean that the whole population of Catholics are exhibiting bigotry? I do not think so.

    Perhaps, some Ateneans have come overboard with their rants and tirades. But these things happen because of passion. Again, there are good and bad sides in everything. I am sorry if some comments that have been made appear as offensive to you or to anyone for that matter. But to judge all of us, our whole historicity, and everything else connected to the Ateneo for this thing is simply ridiculous.

    If you really do know what the difference between rationality and irrationality is, then you should know better. This is basketball, honey–just one part of the whole picture. Be the rational person that you claim that you are and begin to see the totality and not just concentrate on what is bad.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38
  15. academic bigot permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Good sir, it seems that you did not approve my previous reply critiquing your misappropriation of the Marxist philosophy’s positionality in this country’s ideological-political spectrum. Are you threatened to let the readers know of this fatal academic error you have committed?

    -an Ateneo trained political theorist

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      What he means is that Karl Marx’s philosophy advocates the expansion of government powers which is exactly the same as what our politicians are doing now by through corporate welfare. Although Marx was for the proles, the bottom line is he believed all problems could be solved by expanding government in order to redistribute the wealth to the proles, and then when everybody is equal the government would just whither away. Of course this is utopian nonsense so stop defending Karl Marx. Government power is the enemy.

  16. academic bigot REDUX permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Please re-evaluate your statement re: Karl Marx being typologized as a “ruling philosopher” in this country. Last time I checked, we were a liberal-capitalist democratic regime and not a communist one. The phrase “ruling philosopher” would immediately logically overtly be manifested in terms of being an operational hegemon–both in tangible structures/institutions as well as individual ideological affiliations. This is the Philippines, not the USSR.

    Yours,
    an Ateneo-trained political theorist

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Agreed.

  17. You like arguing, right? Then approve ALL COMMENTS. No harm with people expressing their opinions with regards to your so-called argument. permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Please re-evaluate your statement re: Karl Marx being typologized as a “ruling philosopher” in this country. Last time I checked, we were a liberal-capitalist democratic regime and not a communist one. Kthxbai. The phrase “ruling philosopher” would immediately logically overtly be manifested in terms of being an operational hegemon–both in tangible structures/institutions as well as individual ideological affiliations. This is the Philippines, not the USSR.

    Yours,
    an Ateneo-trained political theorist

  18. You like arguing, right? Then approve ALL COMMENTS. No harm with people expressing their opinions with regards to your so-called argument. permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Good sir, it seems that you did not approve my previous reply critiquing your misappropriation of the Marxist philosophy’s positionality in this country’s ideological-political spectrum. Are you threatened to let the readers know of this fatal academic error you have committed?

    – an Ateneo trained political theorist

  19. October 6, 2009 3:38

    OA na ha. Basketball lang yan. At least may pinanghahawakan kaming mga Atenista, kesa naman namimilosopiya tungkol sa mga bagay na hindi namin naiintindihan. Kung subukan mong mag aral sa Ateneo, maiintindihan mo yung sinasabi ng lahat dito. Hindi nanggaling ang mga sinasabi namin mula sa kawalan. Lahat yan may ibig sabihin na mahalaga sa amin.

    At hindi dahil hindi kami nag drop out sa pag aaral namin tulad ni Bill Gates ibig sabihin wala na kaming pangarap para sa sarili namin.

    May tanong ako: Ano ang gusto mong mangyari?

  20. October 6, 2009 3:38

    You can comment all you want, You like arguing… I don’t erase comments. By the way, I think it’s more proper to reveal your real identity.

  21. nico permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    On the standards topic:
    The very fact that Ayn Rand challenged the whole University system in the US means that she adhered to her own standards. She had an idea of what she thought was the right thing to do based on these standards, and thus, was able to foresee the downfall of America based on her own perceptions of what was right and wrong that America was not following. It goes around in circles, you see.

    On the behavior of people:
    But then I believe you do not get the true nature of sports and competition – particularly spectator sports like basketball. Imagine you’re caught in a war where fighting and winning is equal to living. You come face to face with a person from the other side. You need to draw and shoot and hope that you’re hands are faster. This is the ugly nature of sports. Throw in the spectator factor and you will have people screaming, shouting and jeering at the other side hoping to see their team win. This ghastly behavior that you witnessed in the aftermath of the game is the true nature of this. Words are used as guns and social status, the bullets. Ultimately, who pulls the trigger? It’s the spectator.

    To compare it to actual history, what did you think the Americans and the rest of the Allies said when they dropped the bombs on Japan? I can imagine something like “Suck it BITCHES! We own you now!” They were to continue to drop bombs until the Tri-axis gave up. and acknowledged the superiority of the Allies (Which, they did right away, thank god.) Very Nazi-like don’t you think? No matter what you say, the Allies were wrong and the Germans were wrong. It just depends on who’s side you’re on. In the same way, everyone’s a bigot when it comes to sports. That’s just how it is. Linking this to the educational system of the universities seems to be very far fetched.

    Maybe you can relate it in some way. BUT….. I would like to say that I believe your knock on the University system is mistaken and should be directed to a knock on human nature itself. If you believe that the philosophy that is followed in our universities are flawed, you need to take a deeper look and find the true root cause of it. Who made philosophy anyway? Wasn’t it us after all? Doesn’t it feel unnerving knowing that it is our own that will cause our downfall? The question now is, what are we going to do about it? The change needs to come from people. Do you think we have what it takes then?

  22. Robbie permalink
    October 6, 2009 3:38

    Give me a break, talk about Third World School rivalry.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re from Ateneo, La Salle or even UP, all of you guys are in the same crappy boat called Las Islas Filipinas.

    Sheesh, this is why The Philippines is so full of s**t, people waste so much time to work on putting up a face of being elite rather than spending time on working to be successful.

    Get a life losers.

    • biogeek permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      not helping.

      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        LOL. Nice name ‘biogeek’. ^_^

  23. Silvio Paulino permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    The funny thing is that the article itself reeks of Froilan Vincent Bersamina’s bigotry. Makitid ang utak. Paulit-ulit ang sinasabi. Obviously, he is not receptive of other folks’ opinions if they contradict his.

    And let’s not even dwell on his obvious lack of understanding of what the “slogan” stands for. Not even 3 days of ORSEM will spell it out for you. One actually has to live, eat and breathe Ateneo to fully understand what the “slogan” means. It’s not just a cheer, for chrissakes.

  24. Cat permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I would just like to point out that it is unfair to make generalizations and spin the school motto to make it fit your article’s thesis statement of academic bigotry by making it stand on its own without placing it within a certain context, particularly by omitting the words that come right after it.

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose. This is the place where we belong.”
    – Perhaps some actually chant this line with elitism and the so-called academic bigotry behind it, but for most people, it is a battle-cry. It is a raising of the arms in solidarity not only behind an institution per se, but behind a place where we find ourselves. My happiest years so far were spent in Ateneo, so whenever I say this line in our alma mater, I don’t think about how much better Ateneo is above everyone else. I say this line and think about how I spent my time in Ateneo and how I wouldn’t trade it to be anywhere else, regardless of how the outcome of a basketball game turned out.

    Sports is supposed to be the ultimate metaphor for life–there are ups and downs, some people win and some people lose. It’s almost guaranteed to bring out the ugly side in people, given the stakes and the sponteneity in the heat of the moment. It makes my stomach curl to see arguments like “we’re richer than you” or “we’re smarter than you” but as mentioned in your comments, not everyone from UE is completely innocent either. What you present is a one-sided argument, although very well argued, that display the ills of only one part of an audience.

    I was at the game last Sunday, on the UE side, and I was completely and utterly appalled at how some people from the Red side were behaving, and the things coming out of their mouths. I’m not saying that Ateneo supporters were completely innocent either, but even as a passive audience member, it took all I could not to turn around and pick a fight.

    Imagine that. Audience members who have no personal relationships at all with the players of the opposing team have the gall to hurl invectives and mock their pains and injuries. But that’s the way it is with sports. People become so invested in the teams they support, and any loss dealt to the team is a loss that becomes personal in nature. Therefore, it’s only human to try and lift yourself from the ‘shame of defeat’ by rationalizing it–and inadvertently (or maybe deliberately) bringing other people down. I don’t believe it’s academic bigotry at hand–just human nature.

    Quoted from your article: “There’s nothing wrong for students to feel pride as long as it proceeds from their clear understanding of their own ability and achievement.”
    – Perhaps students feel a sense of achievement having gotten into the university in the first place? Objectively speaking, we can say that Ateneo is, at the moment, the best Philippine university in the world, given the latest THE-QS Ranking. Certainly people who make it to the top university are allowed to feel a sense of pride in getting in? Maybe many express it in ways more unsavory than most, but many just feel a quiet sense of pride from going to this school, from going to school at all. They do not simply parrot what their professors tell them and simply take it on faith, as you so succinctly put it in your argument, that they have something to be proud of. Their presence in this school is already something they can be proud of, and it saddens that you’re making it seem like making it to a good university is something you have to temper for fear of being held to be either “mayabang” (wherein your sense of pride stems from a clear understanding of your abilities) or “bigoted” (when your sense of pride stems from what the institution tells you.)

    You mention Bill Gates as your article’s champion, claiming that he did not rely on the merits of the school he graduated from but on his own ingenuity. That it was the best choice he ever made. However, every article mentions that he dropped out of HARVARD, one of the most prestigious schools in the world–he generally still benefits from the accolade that comes with it. In fact, he says this at his Harvard commencement speech.

    “I’ve been waiting more than 30 years to say this: “Dad, I always told you I’d come back and get my degree.” I want to thank Harvard for this timely honor. I’ll be changing my job next year … and it will be nice to finally have a college degree on my résumé. xxx It was an amazing privilege – and though I left early, I was transformed by my years at Harvard, the friendships I made, and the ideas I worked on.”
    – As one of the advocates of education and holistic development, Bill Gates himself recognizes that it was being in Harvard in the first place that pushed him to being as successful as he is today.

    I won’t even touch on your last paragraph because it’s hasty generalization at its finest.

    Maybe you should re-think your stance on some points instead of generalizing about Ateneo students. People who rant online = less than 10% of the resident Ateneo community. It’s not enough to mark us all as academic bigots.

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Exactly.

  25. jumper permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    whoah…so much ado about so little!🙂

    methinks that the slogan is simply a sunk cost statement. win or lose, Ateneans will still choose Ateneo because…dan dan dan dan…they already go there.🙂 they’ve already committed to that school, made investments, paid the tuition, attended classes, finished credits, etc. i’m sure you’ve heard of students from other institutions profess their “undying loyalty” to their schools as well. it’s really not about the institution itself or the quality of the basketball team or whatever.

    anyway, i’m not sure why you find the phrase, “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” so offensive, as compared to, say, “far tho we wander, o’er island yonder, loyal thy sons we’ll ever be” for example.🙂

    “This is the Ateneo mantra in the UAAP. What does this bigot slogan mean? It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates.”

    and by the way, as a law student, you would’ve instantly recognized that your above statement is non-sequitur. perhaps you should, uhm, check your premises?

  26. biogeek permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Really interesting. I’ve been re-reading the post and the comments, but I just cannot establish a solid connection between that particular line of “Mary, for you” and Ateneo de Manila as an institution. I graduated from Ateneo de Manila, but that doesn’t preclude me from critizing some of the policies of the university. Nor being in the Ateneo de Manila does not prevent any of its students to posses divergent opinions. In fact, lots of professors in the university would love to have their students challenge the status quo- whether be it of the university or the society itself. In fact, Ateneo has been addressing the problem of ‘elitism’ by, one actively engaging in social change. Call it being guilty, but we have to be relevant to the society.
    I studied as a scholar in the university, so not only I feel shame to those who flaunt their riches in order to insult others, but I am also offended, not only for me, or other scholars but as someone who comes from ‘below’. I hope you would understand that not all Ateneans are rich (economically), and not all rich Ateneans are elitist. In fact, some better-off ateneans are really active in promoting social empowerment.
    I do believe that such rash and idiotic comments, though should not be tolerated, sprang from the intensity of the game, and fierce and sometimes blinding ‘loyalty’ to the school. Such people are not limited to ateneans, but basically every rivalry, whether academic or not, will include foul words and finger-wags. I don’t think that any respectable institution (not merely academic) will be proud of such actions, but echoing the previous comments, it’s part of the nature of human passion (unless those comments are well thought-off). You might say that such ‘lowly’ faculties should not dominate the faculties of intellect (sportmanship, camaraderie), but again you know what happens in the heat of challenge. And hopefully, after such foulness comes the shame and resolution to be someone better.

    Ateneo may have proven itself in various fields but we can never, ever claim in an absolutist sense that Ateneo is the best. The “Win or Lose, it’s the School we choose” does not claim that. Rather, it is a ‘promise’ that whatever happens, we will help in the evolution of the university to being the best that it can be. And this evolution is not self-serving: this includes more intense engagement with other institutions and persons in helping our society to be better for everyone.
    I think the main contention of people to your post is you ‘boxed’ Ateneo using the carton of ‘elitism’. Then sealed it with the rashness and idiocy of some comments of some persons in the internet (which, may or may not be all ateneans) and put a note containing “WIN or lose, it’s the school we choose!” and a stamp of the Ateneo seal. Isn’t that racism? Nazis did the same spirit against the Jews: branded them as inferiors by the size of their skulls, the shapes of their noses and their habits.

    To end, I very much agree with what our VP. Dr. Cuyegkeng replied when someone asked about corrupt officials which were Ateneo graduates. The University feels shame for them, but we cannot dictate what they want to do and what they will do. Man posseses and is freedom (limited it may be). What the university can only teach to its students are some ways on how to cultivate this freedom into benefiting each and everyone’s true potentials, for the betterment of the society, all for the glory of God. Am I limiting this goal only to Ateneo? No. I think, any respectable institution and person will want and strive for the same.

    • biogeek permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      post script:

      I just confirmed my hunch. Individualist ka nga. That is great: someone who shakes-up the ranks, and makes people think nore than twice.😀

  27. The Don permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I can’t believe na papatulan ko ito…

    When you generalized an entire school (and yes, social class) by the words of a few in cyberspace (!) and their basketball battlecry (!!!) as academic bigots, those three other fingers are pointing back at you.

    The whole premise behind your lengthy, self-righteous (albeit grammatically correct) rant is flawed. No amount of eloquent writing can change that.

  28. AN ATENEAN permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    KUNG PIKON KA, TALO KA.

    I think this article is unfair to target only the Ateneans in the so-called bigotry.

    Let us take a look at all the “insults” of my “fellow” Ateneans. All of them are RESPONSES, some having “kayo” and “sila” pertaining to another party in the conversation.

    Now, a logical question would be WHY they said it.

    It’s probably in defense of what the OTHERS say, because I’m pretty sure those statements are provoked and not just randomly thrown out.

    Ateneans are called maybang, elitista, “bigots”…ang insulto ay insulto. Whether you’re called “an arrogant Atenean” or “a poor UE student” or “a dumb La Sallian”, INSULTS WILL BE INSULTS.

    LAHAT NAMAN KASI NANG IINSULTO EH.

    It’s not only Ateneo, it’s not only UE, but EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN SCHOOL. Everyone has their jokes and puns and comments to throw.

    It is very unfair to create an article saying Ateneans are bigots just because we insult other schools, just as other schools insult us.

    GOLDEN RULE PEOPLE. Do not do unto others what you wouldn’t want others to do unto you.

    In other words, kung ayaw niyong ma-insulto, wag kayong mang insulto.

    BUT I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU THAT’S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

    We can’t expect EVERY SINGLE ONE from EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL to be civilized and uphold the Confucian value. There’s at least one asshole in Ateneo, UE, DLSU, UP etc.

    It’s all in the spirit of UAAP. Maybe some go overboard defending their schools pero ganyan talaga. What do you expect? Everybody in Araneta Coliseum hugging and smiling and giving peace signs to one another?

    You can’t write a “special” article calling Ateneans bigots just because we called UE students poor. If you do, then write a “special” article about UE students who call us “mayabang” too.

    Come on. Pagalingan nalang ng insulto yan. Parang “yo momma”. There’s no “hitting below the belt”.

    PAG NAPIKON KA SA INSULTO, EH DI PIKON KA. TALO KA. Kaya nga insulto eh. Duh.

    And if you know that it’s not true, EH DI WAG KA MA AFFECT! Like how we know it’s not true that ALL Ateneans are mayabang, so we don’t go out and write an article about it.

    Another saying, “Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan wag magalit.”

    • Abeja permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      “Come on. Pagalingan nalang ng insulto yan. Parang “yo momma”. There’s no “hitting below the belt”.”

      -I agree! (btw, winner statement hahaha)

  29. AN ATENEAN permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    In summary,

    Insults are insults. Whether it’s “an arrogant Atenean”, “a poor UE student”, or “a dumb La Sallian”. Your school can AND WILL BE insulted in the course of the game.

    Don’t do unto others what you don’t want other to do to you. But that’s impossible in UAAP. ALL SCHOOLS HAVE ASSHOLES.

    Insults are meant to offend. Kaya nga insults eh.

    We don’t go writing an article that calls other students bigots just because they called us mayabang.

    Kung hindi naman totoo yung insult, just laugh about it, don’t let it affect you.

    ANG MAPIKON, TALO. Yun lang yon.

    • Cara permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      SO TRUE!!!

  30. Marc permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    When we blame a school for an act of one (Gloria calling her aides, muchachos), isn’t it bigotry on it’s own context? When one refuses to redefine the meaning of the line: “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.” especially when those who actually sings the phrase says it otherwise, isn’t it bigotry already?

  31. an atenean too! permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    i agree with AN ATENEAN!

    So ano, they can call us MAYABANG and BIGOTS but we can’t call them POOR? Pikon kasi kayo. That’s the bottom line.

  32. jen permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Tama! Fun nga yung mga insulto eh. Lahat naman tayo dba? If nagpaaffect ka, at napikon ka, at nag sulat ka ng articles that call Ateneans bigots…TALO KA. Ang tawag sayo “sore loser”.

  33. October 7, 2009 3:38

    I agree with your overarching thesis that a sports competition should not boil down to lambasting schools (others people’s) because of a certain imagined dominance by another (the “mine”).

    But the bigotry that you so condemn in your article seeps out of your essay because you’ve focused on just two or three universities–Ateneo and La Salle most pointedly. Why single them out? Bccause some of their students hail their own schools as elite? And elite, was immediately equated by most other people—including you—to being moneyed.

    And so the argument develops a (n unintended, but dangerous) subtext—that bigotry among students go only one way, that is, students whose families have money are condescending students from poorer families just because they were lucky enough to have the financial resources to afford an Ateneo or La Salle education.

    This completely disregards the dynamic reality that students from universities who are not “elite” (in the context of money) also discriminate against those from what you call the “elite” schools. Why not discuss the “bigotry” evident in the posts of some UE students bashing FEU students? Why was there no talk of how much flak UP—that really elite state school—gets from students of other universities? Or for the matter closest at hand, why was there no question about the consistent “TAENEO” posts by UE, FEU, or UST students? Is it because UP, EU and FEU or the other UAAP members are not traditionally associated with moneyed students, and so their criticisms cannot be used as an example of “academic bigotry”—as if bigotry only exists in students with money?

    By this selection of examples employed in your own article, do you not yourself contradict your own thesis? By this singling out of Ateneo and La Salle, did you therefore become yourself an academic bigot?

    Let us press the argument further, seeing as you have already tried to elevate the UAAP forumers’ word-hustling to academic bigotry: Is there not, then, academic bigotry even outside the UAAP?

    And if so, then your article exposes not only academic bigotry but ideological folly deeply rooted among us products of universities, however elite or non-elite (in the words’ many different meanings) they may be. The best thing we can do, given the situation, is educate the students of how easy it is to fall from simply being proud to becoming academic bigots. Singling out a couple of students will only put students (and alumni) on the defensive. Expose the widespread folly that disregards school colors, and then you argument from not just being a critique to a call of action.

  34. Another Bigot permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    @author
    This just goes to show that you should never attack Ateneans (or Ateneo as whole) in such a fallacious way. You got served, homey! Belat!😛

  35. October 7, 2009 3:38

    It’s true. The intellectual atmosphere of the Philippines is heavily influenced by its top universities. If the political ideas of the top universities suck then it is likely that the future politicians that come out of those top universities suck.

    The Philippines is embracing the same kind of collectivist, gradualist Fabian utopia that is being sold to the developing nations by the UN. Government is ever more encroached into our lives………

    ……………but arguing about this over college basketball is just immature and will not help your cause.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Actually I wrote this as a test case. To really know how they think and behave. I didn’t just write this for pleasure or for the sake of hitting the iron while it’s still hot. I had this observation long, long ago, and no matter how they deny it, it’s already obvious to conceal or to fake reality. The worst enemy of this country are its top universities that preach the virtue of altruism, sacrifice, selfishness and collectivism. Sad to say, but it’s proven… Of course they can’t understand my thesis unless they’re given a choice… and I think you know what I mean…

      • October 8, 2009 3:38

        Biglang naghugas kamay ah.

        Not from any of those “elite schools”or any UAAP school, NCAA lang po kami, na iniinsulto ring mahihirap daw at wannabe pumasok ng UAAP ng mga taga-USTe at UE sa PEx. Bakit yun, walang pumupuna? Dahil ba hindi sila “elite” kaya may karapatan silang manglait ng iba nang hindi nahuhusgahan?

        That’s weird. Parang the “non-elite” can get away with trash-talking na ah.

        Pano nalang yung mga iniinsulto nila?

  36. kayyyy permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    oo nga. ang bobo kasi ng author.

    FYI your big words and grammar literacy don’t equate to a sound argument.

    bobong argument.

    OWNED.

    • Mggy permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

  37. October 7, 2009 3:38

    Academic bigot, I don’t have to make any reevaluation. I suggest that you define your term—liberal-capitalist democratic regime. In the US, liberalism means it’s next to socialism, while conservatism seeks to uphold the US constitution and the principles of America’s founding fathers. Liberalism here in the Philippines has no exact meaning. By the way, we are a mixed economy bordering on dictatorship. This semantic corruption is the one that corrupts people’s minds and their understanding of reality. To understanding an existing social system and the mindset of the people, one must also understand the dominant philosophy that majority of the people consciously or unconsciously embrace. Every individual has his own philosophy, no matter how crude or evil it is.
    The ruling philosophers of this country are Karl Marx, Kant, Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. Your evaluation that we’re not USSR so we’re not a communist country is misplaced. I’m not saying that we must also embrace Leninism to be a Marxist country. I’d like you to focus on the dominant or ruling philosophy that influences people’s behavior, actions, decisions, beliefs and conviction. These philosophers I mentioned preach a single idea, and this is collectivism. The battle of good and evil in human history is the battle between individualism versus collectivism. These philosophers all preach the virtue of altruism, self-sacrifice, the common good and the primacy of one group of people or a collective over the rest.
    I do firmly believe that the Jesuits preach these virtues, philosophy and beliefs in life. Try to group all philosophers into two. There is only one way to group them, segregate those who subscribe to collectivism and individualism and try to evaluate their ethics, metaphysics and understanding of reality.
    The Jesuits and all Catholic schools and their derivatives all preach sacrifice, the virtue of altruism and selflessness. The world has been ruled by two groups of collectivists— the mystic of spirit (religionists and theocrats) and the mystic of muscle (the communists, socialists, royalists, and other collectivists). Look at the result of their philosophy. It was constant stagnation, piles of corpses, mysticism and wars during the dark ages. Again, it’s an epic battle between individualism and collectivism, and the doting and obedient instruments of the latter are the universities, particularly the Catholic, religious and state-run schools.
    To show that I’m consistent, I’d like to share my previous blogs:
    Racism: The Most Crudely Primitive Form of Collectivism
    Legalized Political Balkanization: Why the Philippines is Doomed to Failure
    Why is Text Tax the Philippines’ Gateway to Hell?
    Capitalism and Imperialism are contradiction in terms
    The Moral Base of the Filipino Nation and Philippine’s Intellectual Bankruptcy
    Individualism Over Collectivism

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      To correct you on some points:

      Conservatism in America does not hold the principles of the founding fathers. Conservatism in America means less social freedom and more economic freedom. In fact, the US conservatives today are no different from the so-called ‘liberals’. They subscribe to a collectivist mentality and do not respect the constitution and want the state to grow ever more powerful. On the other hand, the founding fathers of America advocated maximum freedom of the people and minimizing the power of government. They were classical liberals!

      It is laughable that the Filipino youth of today are so propagandized and ignorant as to call the Philippines a ‘liberal-capitalist-democratic country’ when in fact our government intervenes heavily in our economy and gives grants and privileges to corporations and our mentality is to redistribute the wealth which just gives way to more corruption. Redistribution and welfare to poor people, rich people or politicians is just IMMORAL.

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        Conservatism in America only became without any meaning in the last fifty years. They were not able to fight for freedom and defend capitalism. If there’s any gorup that will bring America to total disaster, it will be the conservatives… and they’re just finishing the job right now… Yes, you’re right…

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  38. AN ATENEAN permalink
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  39. MDFA permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Not convinced. Sorry.

    Shabby arguments.

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose,” is a manifestation of Ateneo’s school spirit.

    Also, you may have evidence from here and there, but surely, UE students or even students of other schools for that matter, may have said things that would obviously show their biases for their respective schools

  40. October 7, 2009 3:38

    My purpose is not to convince every individual in this country. When I was writing this article, I knew I would challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country.

    • kayyyy permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      If anyone agrees to this article, speak up.

      *cricket, cricket*

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        No, I don’t have to go to that level… Let the world disagree with me. I can’t force everyone to agree with me. I don’t have to make every Atenean or La Sallian agree with me. I’m not a second-hander. Agreeing or disagreeing does not make an issue right or wrong. A second-hander is one who is dependent, as a parasite is, on the service of people, on the dictates of others, on the gullibility of the public, on the propaganda and opinions of the media. He is without ego, without a concept of self, although he may appear to have an overwhelming ego, but in truth he has none. He is the one who goes with the flow, who agrees with the majority opinion.

    • Mggy permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “I knew I would challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country.”

      You never even reached this point.

      Your logic and argumentation were too fallacious to the point of being laughable.

      People are reacting not because you articulated a disturbing (or as Al Gore would put it, “inconvenient) “truth” but because your discourse was weak.

      For someone who claims to have read an extensive amount of philosophical material, you sure do not demonstrate competence in critical thinking.

      Here’s hoping you enjoyed your brief intellectual m*st*rb*t**n!

    • MDFA permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      what, exactly, do you want to be realized by our country’s mental and ideological structures?

  41. kayyyy permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    if this article is successful, you’d find at least one who agrees.

    unfortunately, it’s not. people who’ve read this are smart enough to individually and unanimously pin-point the error.

    THE UGLY TRUTH is that this article is like all the other insults…a hasty product of emotion in the heat of UAAP.
    😛

    • Cyclohexane permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      I have to admit that there are Ateneans out there who are elitist in nature, and I have to concede to some points you made. However, it is entirely unfair and completely uncalled for to brand all Ateneans as being bigots because those few brutes who made those stupid remarks do not embody the entire school. It is wrong to say that just because majority of the school’s population is rich, they are elitists already. And I believe that your definition of “elite” is completely false… you are the bigot here in my opinion.

      • Mggy permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        There’s a difference kasi between elite and elitism.

        You cannot escape the fact that there are elite universities. There are really just better universities that offer better programs because they have good faculty line-ups, facilities, research output, student demography etc etc. There are also elite members in society (in terms of material wealth). Although there are a lot of people who DO become elitists because of their elite status (whether as students or as wealthy people) but they can be separate matters.

        This article fails because it conflates those two terms and even makes unfounded generalized statements.

  42. October 7, 2009 3:38

    I agree with you that you you cannot force everyone to agree with what you wrote. I also applaud you for standing by your position even as others critique you.
    But I’m still waiting for your response to the issue that myself and a few others have raised: that your accusation of bigotry is sharpened only against crass Ateneans and La Sallians, and practically ignores the attitudes of students from other universities–itself exemplary of bias against Atenenas and La Sallians simply because of their schools.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      First, I firmly believe that that slogan of yours, which I and others call bigot, reflects the dogmatism of your institution. It will take another full-blown article for me to comply with your request. Jose Rizal once said: “America is the land par excellence of freedom but only for the whites.” Should I say that Ateneo is the school par excellence of quality education but only for Ateneans? One of my professors said every school must carry the word Ateneo in order to have what they call quality education. An alumnus of MLQU, he told a fellow lawyer (an Atenista) who tried to belittle him in court: I’m a graduate of Ateneo de Quiapo. How would you explain that “tuition niyo baon ko lang” chant of students from a Catholic school a few years ago? How would you describe that comment from a forumer I posted above? But wait, I’m only referring to the “Academic bigots,” and arguing it is improper for a school to embrace such a big, big slogan, which I call bigot.
      When I was still writing for our campus paper, I was appalled at how a junior volleyball coach boosted the morale of his players. He yelled at his players: “La Sallista lang sila, Atenista kayo!” Perhaps this is now the morale-boosting trend in the UAAP. I call it a Nazi-type style. What would be the psychological impact of this institutionalized “trend” on the behavior and minds of the students? Are we raising racist or bigot kids these days? I’d like you to read Racism: the Most Crudely Primitive Form of Collectivism.

      • atenean permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        “One of my professors said every school must carry the word Ateneo in order to have what they call quality education. An alumnus of MLQU, he told a fellow lawyer (an Atenista) who tried to belittle him in court: I’m a graduate of Ateneo de Quiapo. How would you explain that “tuition niyo baon ko lang” chant of students from a Catholic school a few years ago? How would you describe that comment from a forumer I posted above? But wait, I’m only referring to the “Academic bigots,” and arguing it is improper for a school to embrace such a big, big slogan, which I call bigot.
        When I was still writing for our campus paper, I was appalled at how a junior volleyball coach boosted the morale of his players. He yelled at his players: “La Sallista lang sila, Atenista kayo!”

        Really, the worst part of the entire blog post is how it generalizes the entire Ateneo institution, all of its students both current and alumni, because of a few he’s met. Others have mentioned it, but it’s worth repeating: stop generalizing.

        (And congrats, your blog is now infamous among Atenistas)

    • Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Kunin natin yung laylayan nung talakayan mula sa konteksto ng ipinahihiwatig mong pilosopikal na diskurso. Sige. Tungkol diyan, ito lang ang masasabi ko: na para sa isang taong nakaiintindi ng sapat upang gumamit ng mga pangalan at konsepto na katulad nang mga ginamit mo, napakadali naman yata para sa iyo na magkabit ng mga tatak sa tao, na parang nangongomodipiko ka lang.

      Aha. Galit ka sa kolektibismo. Maaaring sang-ayon ako sa iyo na oo, may indoktrinasyon sa partikular na uri ng pag-iisip sa Ateneo. Pero itatanong ko lang sa iyo: sa ibang paaralan kaya’y wala? At habang nariyan rin lang naman tayo ay, oo nga pala, gobyerno ang nagpapatakbo ng UP, pero ang karamihan sa kanila ay kritikal sa gobyerno. Kaya hindi mo rin maaaring sabihin na sa lahat ng kaso ay totoo ito (at oo, uunahan na kita, ipinahiwatig mo na totoo ito sa lahat ng kaso sa iyong pahayag na “I knew I would challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country.”). Dahil para sa bawat doktrina at sistema ng pag-iisip na itinuturo sa kahit saan, makikita ang pagsulpot ng halos direktang kabaligtaran nito. Sadya lang sigurong mapangutya ang mga tao (parang UAAP game lang, di kaya?)

      Nabanggit mo si Kant. Nais lamang sana kitang tanungin kung saang bahagi ni Kant mo nakuha na nagtuturo siya ng kolektibismo. Kung maaari ay nais kong marinig ang argumento mo para dito.

      Sabi nga ni Karl Popper, kung kumbinsido ka sa katotohanan ng teorya mo ay makikita mo ang mga pagpapatotoo dito sa lahat ng bagay. Kaya nagkakaroon ng mga bagay tulad ng kapitalistang baka, Marxistang kape, at fundamentalistang pandesal. Siguro ganoon ka ka-kumbinsido na totoo ang kolektibismo. O siya, eto lang ang masasabi ko tungkol diyan, mula pa rin kay Popper: “The irrefutability of a theory is not a virtue (as people often think) but a vice.” Sana’y pag-isipan mo.

      Brad, nais ko lang imungkahi na bago mo tangkaing simulan ang pagwasak sa mga paraan ng paniniwala na sa palagay mo ay hindi nararapat sa taong may huwisyo, alamin mo muna kung ano yung sinasabi mo. Hala sige, bababa na muna ako mula sa toreng garing ko ha.

      Oo nga pala. Hindi yata ako Atenista. Hindi ako nag-iingles eh.

      • Inday permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Natumbok mo, mapagmataas na Atenista.

        Bago kasi magyabang na alam mo ang isang teorya, siguraduhin mo muna na naintindihan mo ito ng buong buo, hindi lamang PARTE ng mga ito.

        Sa totoo lang Ginoong Bersamina, pinagtatawanan ka ng maraming tao. Hindi lang dahil sa magulo at walang kwenta ang argumento mo, kung hindi dahil sa pilit mong ipinamumukha sa amin na bihasa ka sa teorya. Nakakatawa kasi nakikita namin na ang ginagawa mo ay kumukha ka ng maliit na parte (chop-chop kung baga) sa bawat teorya at pinapalabas mo na yun na ang essence ng nasabing teorya. Kung magmamayabang ka sa isang bagay, siguraduhin mo na TALAGANG bihasa ka dito.

        Wag ka ng mag-history at theory lesson. Mas lalo lang kaming natatawa. Wag mo na ring samahan ng mga kwento ng mga professor mo. Wag mo na ring pilit na isama si Hitler sa usapan. Palayo ka na ng palayo eh.

        Pasensya na at masyadong naging personal. Naging personal din kasi ang iyong ibang mga kumento.

      • biogeek permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        Mahusay, mahusay! (May ideya ako kung sino ka. :D)

      • Alvin permalink
        November 24, 2009 3:38

        Galing brad, buti napamuka mo kabobohan netong si Bersamina!

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  43. my_opinion_on_your_post permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    As an Atenean, I admit that there are really those who are proud of Ateneo in the way you described them to be. However, not all Ateneans are like that. And besides, how can a person think of this post as a fair one as you are obviously siding with UE? And if you plan to discriminate Ateneans during this time of the year, please make sure you are not from UE because that automatically erases your validity to write such a post. And those comment snapshots of yours? Before you post them, are you even sure they’re Ateneans? There are lots of haters out there posing as Ateneans to dirty our name. Ateneans are capable of posting those but we have not sunk low enough to resort to such means. Honestly, I am displeased with the thought that UAAP brings such animosity and irrational thinking. If there is a bigot here, it’s obviously you. Think before you post and please use RELIABLE sources. Thank you.

  44. !!UE BOMBA!! permalink
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  45. You've got to be kidding me permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Natrium permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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  46. atenista lang permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    alam mo, kaibigan. hindi naman porket sinasabi namin yan, gusto na namin maging “iba” at ilayo ang aming sarili sa Pilipinas. KUNDI MO ALAM, malamang nga na hindi mo alam, isa ang ateneo, kasama na ang la salle, sa mga tumutulong sa mga nasalanta ng bagyong Ondoy. Hindi namin pinapakawalan ang SOCIAL INVOLVEMENT namin sa bayan.
    kasi sa ateneo, we are being taught HOLISTICALLY–the education that we receive will not only benefit our minds, but it also reaches the depths of our soul. that’s why we ateneans know when we should extend our help to others.
    going back to Ateneans as racial bigots… okay lang sana na sabihin mo yan KUNG MONETARY lang ang binibigay ng Atenista. pero hindi eh.. Oras, Pagod. iyon ang binibigay nila, namin. dahil sa aming eskwelahan, importante rin ang bayan. importante ang ginagalawan naming lipunan. isip ka muna.

    • Wushu permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Agree.

      Gusto ko lang rin idagdag na sa Ateneo, requirement para sa LAHAT ang dumaan sa iba’t ibang uri ng social involvement. Oo maaaring marami ang mapipilitan lamang sumali, para lang sa grade, pero kadalasan (dahil hindi ko masasabing totoo ito para sa buong populasyon ng mga Atenista) may natututuhan kami tungol sa pagmamalasakit sa kapwa at pakikipagkapwa. Narinig mo na ba yung “pakikitungo ng tao sa tao”? Malamang hindi kasi tinuring mo kami bilang mga bagay na pwede mong maliitin. Pero ito ang natututuhan namin sa loob ng Ateneo.

      Nasubukan mo na bang tumira sa Tondo? E ang matulog sa bilibid ng tatlong araw? Napagdaanan mo na ba ang karanasan ng mga jeepney barker, taga-linis ng banyo sa Sta. Lucia, o di kaya yung mga mangingisda sa Batangas? Sumama ka ba sa paglalakad ng mga Sumilao farmers? Gusto ko lang ipaalam sayo na LAHAT KAMI ay namahagi sa ganitong uri ng karanasan kaya wala kang karapatang sabihan kaming makasarili. Ang puno’t dulo ng pagiging Atenista ay ang maging tao para sa kapwa at paglabas namin ng Ateneo kaya hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na walang pinanghuhugutan yung galit na binubuhos sayo dito.

      Pero syempre, wala kang pakialam sa ganyan dahil wala kang ginawa kundi mag abang ng comment sa blog mo at magbasa ng Ayn Rand. Basahin mo si Levinas para maging active ka naman at hindi ka lang nagiging kritiko ng iba.

  47. A Bigot and a Racist and a Chauvinist permalink
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  48. Someone from this bigot school you hate so much permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    It’s just a game good sir, win or lose, it still all boils down to being JUST a game, sure, people lose their tempers, well duh, it is school pride we’re all carrying.

    I mean, who wouldn’t get pissed off at losing? Just because one can be a good sport doesn’t mean you also can’t be a little bit bitter or sad, you did lose. Okay so we lost, but hey, we’re still us, maybe no victory party, yet, but still it’s all a fair fight, right?

    One good thing to remember, is that what happens in Araneta(or any other court or arena) stays in Araneta. Everything you hear from the opposing team is a lie, don’t stoop to their(or our) level if you think that its so bad.

    And you bragging about your credentials really doesn’t make you all that much more believable, it just points out how much you time you wasted on getting those articles and titles… tsk tsk tsk, be a little more civilized okay🙂

    Smile a bit more it helps.

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  49. Natrium permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Okay, first and foremost, I do not understand how “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” translates to, in your words, “99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates.” Ask any Atenean, and the answer is even if we lose, even if we SUCK at playing basketball, even if, one day, aliens take over the Philippines and Ateneo is reduced to a dumpsite, we will still choose to be Ateneans, because, as the next line of our alma mater states “this is the place where we belong.” It’s simply a display of loyalty to the school we chose, to the institution which, simply put, taught us all we know.

    “I am very proud of how the Red Warriors forced a rubber match. They were able to show their class—that despite the rashness and provocative demeanor of some of the main players of the desperate Blue Eagles, they were able to keep their cool. The most improved Elmer Ispiritu saved the day for the Warriors, nailing 22 points. At the final buzzer, the Recto-based dribblers thrashed the players from Katipunan, 88-68. In sports, the creative man is motivated by his desire to achieve, not by his desire to beat others” (Bersamina, 2009. Bold mine.) You misspelled Espiritu. But that’s just me nitpicking.

    If you meant their players, than I agree, they were very, very classy. Elmer Espiritu was, indeed, awesome. The players — most of them, anyway — were genuine class acts. The crowd, however, was a completely different matter.

    I was there during the game, in the patron section. This is not me being an “Atenean elitist”, this is me saying I had a good enough seat to see the UE crowd and read even the small signs they flashed. There was one sign in particular that had caught my eye: it said “Please play fair” and the P in play was a peso sign. This, I feel, was a low blow. That sign was unfair to several institutions — it was an insult obviously directed at Ateneo, it was the unfair assumption that the UAAP accepts pay to fix games, and, in fact, it was putting UE down, since I got the impression that they themselves were the ones saying they’re poor (compared to Ateneo, anyway). Also, the crowd was booing at random moments — when Ateneo would cheer “One big fight”, for example, UE would boo unprovoked. Ateneo kept silent — well, for the most part. I won’t deny that Ateneo had booed UE, but that was when certain things happened on court — when the game would get too physical, for example. To be honest, most of the boos were directed at the referees, but that’s a completely different matter. Point is, the UE crowd booed Ateneo during dead ball situations, interrupting cheers, etc. I feel this was a little classless.

    It should also be noted that the Ateneo crowd applauded UE the moment they were announced winners of the game. They also applauded after UE sang their school song. That was a real class act, in my opinion. No elitism there. Ateneo didn’t even leave right away during the UE school song. Many people even stood as a sign of respect. Really classy, in my opinion.

    I wonder, did you even watch the game live? Have you ever just dropped by Ateneo and observed the students hanging out and talking? Were you there during the relief operations for the recent typhoon Ondoy? If you want a gauge of how Ateneans act, try to observe the community as a whole. Do not judge them by random comments on the internet. Online, you’re not even sure if they are real Ateneans, or people who are pretending — you can never be too sure about who you’re talking to online. Granted, Ateneo does have their bad eggs — every school does. But those bad eggs are few, negligible compared to the true Ateneans, who live by Ignatian morals and principles, live out MAGIS, and are true persons-for others.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      thanks…

      • biogeek permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        random reply: Either you’re starting to rethink your post, you’re getting fed by the fame of your blog entry, ‘thanks..’ is a sarcastic remark, or you’re just tired of dealing with this. Again, random reply.

      • October 8, 2009 3:38

        Biogeek:

        This proves one thing… that the so-called elite universities are the menace of or the worst threat to this country. Judging by the way they respond, I think we’re leading toward collectivism because we are now in the age of mediocrity due to the dogmatism and faith-based educational system of most universities today. I do not speak the language of most commenters here. Their responses reflect how brainwashed or indoctrinated they are. Try to review the comments here. One mentioned that this country is a liberal-capitalist-democratic, and even challenged me to reevaluate my statement that the ruling philosophers of this country are Marx, Kant, Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. Where did he/she get that information? From his professors?
        Another commenter said that in sports it is a must to have collective efforts, collective talent and so on. No, I don’t speak that language. Judging by the way most of you replied to my blog, I can say that you will favor most of the following propositions:
        – redistribution of wealth
        -government intervention
        -universal or social health care
        -nationalization of some industries
        -government spending in social welfare programs
        -government-funded education
        -socialized or subsidized medicine
        -subsidized education
        -subsidized private firms

      • biogeek permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        In trying to understand your point of view, I’ve been trying to look up for some stuff regarding Ayn Rand and Individualism, plus objectivism.
        I’m starting to get really interested with the ideologies. But I do get existentialism better than Rand’s, although in some veins the two philosophers are the same. Philososphers that interests me are Kant, John Rawls and recently Hannah Arendt. But I know you won’t care.

        I’m really rational when it comes to these kinds of discourses, but your reply above rather reeks with arrogance.
        Lastly, I might be wrong in using ‘discourse’ in this situation. This is not discourse. This is, some of us pushing our point (and sometimes overdoing it) and you just not caring.

  50. This is a SHOCKER! permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    “It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates.”

    Are you kidding me? Is this some sort of joke? Because I’m not buying it.

    You’re obviously not associated to any member of the Ateneo community. Cos if you are, you would know what that slogan you call bigot means. Here, let me tell you so at least you can be a little bit more enlightened.

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.”
    Whatever outcome in ANY competition we, Ateneans, compete in – whether we WIN or we LOSE – will not turn our backs on the Alma Mater we so dearly love. Yes, even if we lose tomorrow by 40 to UE, we will just keep on loving and embracing our school.

    If you don’t know the feeling of truly loving your school, then you obviously won’t understand any bit of that slogan. Even if it takes a million negative feedbacks on your fallacious article, you won’t understand.

  51. Bigot.Racist.Chauvinist. according to you and only you permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    First, I’d like to applaud you for your efforts on pointing out something which I am still trying to figure out what because all your “proofs” aren’t convincing. Dude, it’s easy to photoshop those stuff, I think you should know better than that. It takes a lot of guts for someone to make such stand and firmly abide by it.

    But dude, you do realize that you mentioned A LOT of fallacies, overanalyzed stuff, etc.

    from your first paragraph: “It[alleged bigot slogan] means that men of ability like Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Chief Justice Renato Puno, and many great Filipinos who did not graduate from Ateneo are nothing.”

    In the first place, YOU gave the interpretation of the slogan, and may I say, your interpretation is obviously absurd. It is illogical for one to come up with an interpretation like that given the slogan, “WIN or LOSE, it’s the school we chose!” Because dude, if you LOGICALLY think about it, if you can even do that, there’s nothing mentioned about a person not meaning anything if he or she is not from Ateneo. It’s not even implied. It can’t even be deduced.

    Next, in a reply you mentioned, “When I was writing this article, I knew I would challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country.”

    Let me ask you, how does this article challenge schools? rather, what is your main purpose for writing this? Because if you ask me, this seems to be some bashing article and nothing more. And how can you even influence our country if the language you even use can’t be understood by most of the Filipinos! And no, don’t tell us that they won’t have means to access the internet, because mind you even if not all Filipinos can fully understand English, they still know how to use a computer. Also, how can you expect to succeed in challenging with an article that is just biased against Ateneans?

    A follow up to my first point, you completely took the slogan out of context. A really foolish mistake for someone to make if you want to challenge people. -.- Pathetic, really.

    Pero sa katapusan din naman, puwede ko rin naman isipin na ang blog na ito ay isang paraan lang upang ikaw ay makilala o sumikat. Ganoon naman iyon palagi eh… para ang isang tao sumikat, dapat magpapasabog muna siya. You got your attention, know what?

    O puwede ko rin naman sabihin na may malaking galit ka lang sa mga Atenista. O kaya tingin mo cool na gumawa ng isang blog na kakainisan ng mga Atenista. O baka isa ka lang thesis, kinukuha ang reaksyon ng mga taong may pakialam. Baka isa ka lang baliw na masiyadong idealistic magisip na nawawala sa realidad ang pagiisip.

    Nakakatawa ka.

  52. TheRainMaker (University of the Philippines) permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    “Was there ever an Atenean who became the President of the Philippines?”

    – Anonymous

    ***no jargon or highfalutin words, just plain straightforward English***

    • OBF! permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      That is a completely irrelevant question to the discussion. So what if there hasn’t been any Atenean president? It doesn’t make us less productive an individual.

      • imissateneo permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        kaya nga ganito yung pilipinas eh. kasi wala pang atenistang nagiging presidente hahahahaha.

        joke lang. irrelevant nga yang hirit mo, rainmaker. taga-up ka ba talaga?

    • Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      At ipapaalala ko lang sayo na taga-Peyups si Marcos. So kung proud ka dun, kudos to you and have a good evening, Irrelevancy Man.

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • Just a quick observation permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        AD HOMINEM too, but hinay hinay na lang tayo sa Latin😛

    • passing through permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      No, they became heroes.

  53. Angel permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Hi,

    This was an interesting article to read, but I found it to be very biased and based on a misunderstanding of a simple slogan. I think you understood “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” as “Whether we win or lose, the important thing is we chose this school and we’re better than you.” It’s really not as high-handed and complicated as that. All it means is that “If we win, awesome. If we lose, hey, we’re still proud of the effort our players made.”

    I go to Ateneo now. But I was a transferee from U.P. who honestly had never considered going to the Ateneo when I was in high school. I entered the school not knowing about the UAAP rivalries, because I didn’t grow up here. And honestly, basketball is not one of my priorities. The first time I heard that cheer, I was surprised because I actually thought the same way you did before I heard it. I’d assumed that Ateneans were biased against other schools, though it may not have been their fault. But to hear a cheer like “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” showed me that they too can be humble enough to still love their school even if they aren’t champions.

    Life doesn’t end at the basketball court. You have a very valid point there. So are U.P. students bigots because they wear t-shirts that say “I think, therefore I am from U.P.?” If you slight one school, be prepared to back up your claims and prove that your generalization has merit. If the university you attend teaches you important life lessons and helps to ensure that you are a good person who does not trample others in the pursuit of success, then it doesn’t matter how much you pay for each unit. What does matter is how you choose to live your life in a decent manner. And isn’t that more important than throwing insults and calling each other bigots?

  54. Rami Hourani permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    You could just as easily say the same about any of the schools that made it into the final four. Logic Fail. L-)

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Hahaha Rami! Debate partner!😉 =))

  55. PulaPuti permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    To all na nagsasabing walang argument dito sa ginawa ni froilan, eh andami nyo na kayang nireply na argument, from that pinpoint owned na kayo, to the extent na pinatulan at nagreact pa ulit kayo dito, owned ulit kayo.

    Simple lang naman ang point nya sa blog nya na ito, UAAP sports game should not boil down to the extent of academic bigotry.

    Yun nga lang eh fallacious nga naman ang claims ni author dito, hasty generalization, though ginamit nya lang naman yun as an example.

    All in all, agree ako sa ginawa mong article, medyo parehas din kasi tayo ng insight, perspective.. Blogger din ako, if you don’t mind, try reading mines. Send me an email, I’ll give you the link.😉

    “Brag about yourself, your achievements, skills, success… not of your parent’s assets and what are they capable of.”

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      NGEK.

      We’re NOT saying there’s no argument. We’re saying it’s a WRONG ARGUMENT.

      “Simple lang naman ang point nya sa blog nya na ito, UAAP sports game should not boil down to the extent of academic bigotry. ”

      And the argument is exactly that…that your brand Ateneans as academic bigots just because you know one or two Atenean assholes. First of all, generalizing. Second, read my response above.

      “Brag about yourself, your achievements, skills, success… not of your parent’s assets and what are they capable of.” <– ngee. let me rephrase what you just said. "brag about yourself, your achievements, skills, success…not of your parent's achivements, skills ans success." still assuming but not conceeding that your so-called quote made sense, there was no point in putting that.

    • At.N.9 permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “To all na nagsasabing walang argument dito sa ginawa ni froilan, eh andami nyo na kayang nireply na argument, from that pinpoint owned na kayo, to the extent na pinatulan at nagreact pa ulit kayo dito, owned ulit kayo.

      Simple lang naman ang point nya sa blog nya na ito, UAAP sports game should not boil down to the extent of academic bigotry.

      Yun nga lang eh fallacious nga naman ang claims ni author dito, hasty generalization, though ginamit nya lang naman yun as an example.”

      That’s just the thing. To argue a simple point so fallaciously deserves nothing more than a good critique from alternative points of view. People who respond to a simple point supported by fallacious argument are not “owned,” but are actually thinking, rational beings who will not allow fallacy to argue for something. Given, I agree with his thesis, that the UAAP sports game should not boil down to the extent of academic bigotry. But to focus solely on the examples of Ateneo and La Salle without giving due consideration to other angles (eg. the UE “bigots”) is simply hasty generalization and composition fallacy to boot.

    • JLM_hates_biased_authors permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “…..try reading mines”

      Idiot.

    • JLM_hates_biased_authors permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • PulaPuti permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        aaminin ko, hindi ako ganoon kagaling mag ingles, pero kung sa tagisan ng galing sa larangan ng pagdedebate, ang pagtatalastasan ukol sa paksa ng pinag tatalunan, baka kuko lang kita. utak pinoy nga naman, pinupuna muna ang grammar bago ang laman nito.
        fool. wag ka magalala, madami dyan, magaling mag english wala namang laman ang mga pinagsasasabi.😆

  56. October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Just a quick observation permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      HEAR HEAR!😀

  57. Lierre permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Oh, how I truly wished you had a point.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Let us pray.

  58. Oh really, now? permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Since when did school support suddenly translate into academic bigotry?

    Though many of the people in this forum have already said this, I have to say that,

    WIN OR LOSE, IT’S THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE simply means that we love our school whether or not we win the freaking game. It’s that simple.

    And it’s not wrong to love our school, is it?

    UP’s school song starts with, “UP Naming Mahal” and calls their school “pamantasang hirang”. I don’t see you calling them bigots for calling their school “the chosen one”. Yes, apparently, hirang in english means “chosen” too.

    La Salle’s song Hails their Alma Mater and says they’ll fight for to keep their glory bright. I don’t see you calling them bigots for saying they have glory.

    And yet, when Ateneo sings that “win or lose, it’s the school we choose”, it’s suddenly bigotry?

    • Passerby permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “UP’s school song starts with, “UP Naming Mahal” and calls their school “pamantasang hirang”. I don’t see you calling them bigots for calling their school “the chosen one”. Yes, apparently, hirang in english means “chosen” too.

      La Salle’s song Hails their Alma Mater and says they’ll fight for to keep their glory bright. I don’t see you calling them bigots for saying they have glory.

      And yet, when Ateneo sings that “win or lose, it’s the school we choose”, it’s suddenly bigotry?”

      True, that.

  59. At.N.9 permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    and when writing something like this, do be prepared to respond to every comment in your comments section. we Ateneans, being “intellectually bigoted,” do like a good dose of intellectual discourse.

  60. halikinu permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I’m an Atenean, and I want ADMU to win tomorrow. But I would actually be not surprised if we don’t.

    Compare the UE players during Game 1 with the ADMU players during Game 2, and tell me who played dirty after missing their shots.

    The Blue Eagles let frustration come to their heads, believing that a Finals series with the UE Red Warriors would simply be a walk in the park. Before the season, many sports analysts projected an ADMU-FEU Finals Series, not an ADMU-UE series. On the other hand, the Red Warriors showed resilience after the loss. And they deserve that Game 2 triumph.

    For me, I have the littlest respect for the Blue Eagles. In campus, they are the most arrogant people, walking around like they own the halls. In academics, they are the freeloaders in group requirements. And with that Game 2 of the series, I am further disappointed with them. The Red Warriors showed us who truly had values. And I guess this is what this article is trying to prove.

    Tomorrow, if another Blue Eagle throws cheap shots to the Red Warriors, they will never get the coveted back-to-back championships. And if the Red Warriors do, I believe the Blue Eagles would never respond with a simple handshake.

  61. halikinu permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I’m an Atenean, and I want ADMU to win tomorrow. But I would actually be not surprised if we don’t.

    Compare the UE players during Game 1 with the ADMU players during Game 2, and tell me who played dirty after missing their shots.

    The Blue Eagles let frustration come to their heads, believing that a Finals series with the UE Red Warriors would simply be a walk in the park. Before the season, many sports analysts projected an ADMU-FEU Finals Series, not an ADMU-UE series. On the other hand, the Red Warriors showed resilience after the loss. And they deserve that Game 2 triumph.

    For me, I have the littlest respect for the Blue Eagles. In campus, they are the most arrogant people, walking around like they own the halls. In academics, they are the freeloaders in group requirements. And with that Game 2 of the series, I am further disappointed with them. The Red Warriors showed us who truly had values. And I guess this is what this article is trying to prove.

    Tomorrow, if another Blue Eagle throws cheap shots to the Red Warriors, they will never get the coveted back-to-back championships. And if the Red Warriors ever win, I believe the Blue Eagles would never respond with a simple handshake.

    • PulaPuti permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      There you go, an atenean admitting the downside of being in the “top”. Arrogant. That’s the word. Yung iba kasi dito, aaminin nalang sa realidad hindi pa magawa. Pati sarili niloloko makatakas lang sa malupit na katotohanan.

      • AN ATENEAN permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        I admit the players can get arrogant sometimes (not pretty sure, no first hand experience). But then again as we’ve said, to judge a school community based on a handful (e.x. the Blue Eagles players) is simply hasty generalization…like what this article did…saying Ateneans are bigots just because he saw some “Ateneans” online.

      • PulaPuti permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        One short comment about the way you write/answer. You seem to be like Friedrich Nietzsche. You’re familiar to him, don’t ya?

        Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.

        Etong statement na to ang pinagaawayan nyo lahat, actually pwde naman din kasi syang tingnan sa napkaraming perspective, depende nalang ito sa panlasa ng tumingin. Kung iba ang pananaw mo dito, kung negative man, den so be it.

        Kanya kanya lang yan. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder kumbaga.

      • JLM_hates_biased_authors permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        “….you’re familiar to him, don’t ya”

        What the f*ck? Seriously? Where did this guy learn english? Good God… Maybe because of your stupidity people at opposing ends of this argument might even meet and agree that you are a laughable idiot.

      • PulaPuti permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        utak pinoy, pinupuna muna ang grammar bago ang laman nito.
        fool. wag ka magalala, madami dyan, magaling mag english wala namang laman ang mga pinagsasasabi.😆

      • October 11, 2009 3:38

        “utak pinoy, pinupuna muna ang grammar bago ang laman nito.
        fool. wag ka magalala, madami dyan, magaling mag english wala namang laman ang mga pinagsasasabi. ”

        this is true!…

        ” “….you’re familiar to him, don’t ya”

        What the f*ck? Seriously? Where did this guy learn english? Good God… Maybe because of your stupidity people at opposing ends of this argument might even meet and agree that you are a laughable idiot. ”

        OWNED by his words!… hahaha…

  62. Just a quick observation permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Good sir, have you heard of Godwin’s Law? I’m pretty sure you could make a more convincing argument by not bringing up the Nazis as an extreme comparison. I might be wrong, but I think you are grasping for an argument by pinning the blame on the institution alone and not the individual choices of a person.

  63. Just a quick observation permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    YA’LL REPLIED TO A TROLL POST😛

  64. October 7, 2009 3:38

    Sir, as much as I would like to respect your inferences, example, sources, and theories, I would like to rebuke your line of thinking.

    I have come from at least three different UAAP universities, the latest one Ateneo. We all know that this hymn is sung every after game, whether we succumb to the foe and be the victors of a sporting event.

    You may be right that ‘win or lose, it’s the school we choose’ rubs to the face of its hearers that even if we’re losers we still win big because we’re in Ateneo. However, kind sir, did you think that the composers of the hymn had this in mind? I’m sure they had in mind composing a hymn that would express their love for Ateneo to be used in sporting events. The origin of singing a hymn I do not know of, but the main idea of these hymns were too instill spirit and commitment in every player involved. Offending other schools, I think, would not be on the composers’ minds.

    Another facet to this is that the school does not look at the lyrics in the same philosophical context you do, and neither would we want to propagate that mental mindset that, as you claim, we are the best. Ask any random Atenean about the sense of that phrase in the hymn. Common sense would tell us that ‘win or lose it’s the school we choose’, in layman’s terms, would mean that even if we lose big or we win big, it’s still back to Ateneo for us, we stand by our choice of alma mater, and we accept defeat at the hands of the opponent. We do not justify our wins or losses by saying ‘okay lang, Atenista naman ako’; rather, we think of it as loyalty to our school. Hindi kami balimbing na iiwan na lang yung eskuwelahan porket natalo. Kuha niyo ba ser?

    About the forums segment, it is in my deepest remorse that we engage in such bickering, but as previous comments said earlier, there are as much bickering from other schools as there is in our school. Take for example the UERD’s ripping of the Blue Babble Band, claiming we have amplifiers in our bass drums. Do you have any visible proof to these claims? All they have is suspicions, and they capitalize on that. They bash personally, and with generic offensive statements. Everyone does it, and you are not saved from that sin, because I’m pretty sure you have once committed in doing so in your life.

    Sir, I admire your sources and your personal efforts to educate yourself, but you do not have a very strong point and I fear that you may just be lauding yourself because you are well-read and educated by such historically proven and tested authors. Does this article, with your use of their writings, place you at par with them? I do not believe so, sir, and you have dug yourself carelessly into a logic hole.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      That’s wishful thinking… No, you can’t, and you failed miserably. Go check your premises.

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        You, sir, are applying philosophy at the wrong places. I’m sure you have good intentions of writing such article. It’s irrelevant to cite your educators, per se, and your generalizations are just too hasty.
        Overthinking? Nakamamatay. :-q
        Take your thinking elsewhere.

      • snarkymaster permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        I hope you’d do the same thing, almighty sir. The first paragraph of this post bleeds of fallacious argument! I don’t think you’ve ever heard of non-sequitur, have you? try to google it… I’m pretty sure it will help you a great deal in your law school. kthanksbye!

  65. Merry Christmas permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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  66. 17 Pieces permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I will concede that this article has a few good points about academic bigotry. However, it is seriously flawed; its exceedingly narrow lens renders it self-defeating.

    For one thing, I must point out your gross misinterpretation of what the school slogan of Ateneo means. As an Atenean, I take it simply as a declaration of loyalty to the school, plain and simple. It just means that whether we win or lose, we’ll stand by Ateneo. Nothing wrong with that–unless you believe that it is each student’s duty to transfer school everytime his school loses a game.

    Well, come to think of it, you probably interpret the slogan that way because you seem to already have the stereotypical mindset that Ateneo is an elitist institution, and thus take everything that comes from it as elitist. That’s the impression I get from reading your article because of what you chose to focus on. I won’t be surprised if that’s the reason–many people I know have that sort of prejudice. But then, if you’re going to rail against discrimination and what not, I suggest you take a good look at yourself and see if you are not guilty of the same things you bewail. Look at your article again, notice how you chose to focus on schools that have reputations of being elite/elitist (there’s a difference between the two, btw) when all schools are equally guilty of teasing/heckling/discrimination, thus perpetuating the stereotype–and tell me that this is a good way to be preaching equality and tolerance.

    P.S. Don’t use forum posts to back your claims up; they are among the least reliable of sources. Forums tend to attract attention whores and bored trolls who post just for the sake of pissing people off. Come on! In one of your posts, the username of the guy who posted was “UNGAS_ANG_MGA_TAGA_UE”–obvious troll. Not to be taken seriously.

    • Just a quick observation permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “UNGAS_ANG_MGA_TAGA_UE”?

      Sounds like the retards who post at inboundpass.com

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is a battle cry for the UNEARNED, for something that is outside the attributes and character of an individual. It’s a battle cry for ZERO… One can’t have a battle cry for the negative or ZERO unless he’s a second-hander, brainwashed or a bigot. This mantra means that it is the SCHOOL that determines your virtues, win or lose. A second-hander is someone who accepts UNEARNED honor, prestige and glory.
      “The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.”

      • Just a quick observation permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Okay, so can you tell me you made ALL of your dear principles are yours and not well, LEARNED FROM INSTITUTIONS? You seem to forget that people can choose what they want to believe in, in school or otherwise.

        I can’t understand if you are some sort of hard rightwinging conservatist or just a really good troll

      • Cat permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        I honestly have no idea what logical progression of thought got you from “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” to “battle-cry of the unearned.”

      • Hmmm. permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        Hmmm. This bit seems to me an issue you have with the semantics they used in their slogan more than anything.

        [You may understand the slogan in this unique light which most do not, from a very different context and background that I will respect; however, I don’t believe what you’ve cited is truly the essence of the line.]

        I must believe that the UAAP’s vast audience first and foremost cheers for what they are proud of before ripping at others’ institutions, though I myself dislike some effects of the “competitive spirit” UAAP brings about.

        I am sorry you had to have encountered such people, but hey–any institution could produce unpleasant people with unpleasant things to say. Many do–not just from Ateneo, the “Top 4,” or those that have aggravated these thoughts and words.

  67. IPOKRITO/IPOKRITA KA :) permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    THIS COMMENT IS BANNED BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED BY AN IRRATIONAL HIPPIE! HIPPIES HAVE NO ROOM IN THIS BLOG!

  68. Just a quick observation permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Son, this is all Ayn Rand’s fault LOL.

    Lemme guess, you also believe that Obama’s healthcare plans are going to sacrifice the lives of noble ubermench for the benefit of the lesser masses, and that the Ondoy victims deserve nothing but our contempt?

    Hyperbolic assumption – so easy, ANYONE can do it😀

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Yes, I do… and you don’t cause you know nothing about the WHAT”S behind his health care reform program. Just watch Michael Moore’s Capitalism: A Love Story. I’m sure you’ll love it… I suggest that you read this… http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23957&news_iv_ctrl=2401 .

      • LoLz permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        are you all finished?
        you contemplate much on the author’s bashing. if he wants to bash Ateneo for the rest of his life, let him be. this is his blog and those words are his opinion, may those be twisted or not.

        i admire your writing, mr. author. maybe next time you write about creating social change for all of this bigots you are calling.

  69. Beaver permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    BV!

  70. October 7, 2009 3:38

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is a battle cry for the UNEARNED, for something that is outside the attributes and character of an individual. It’s a battle cry for ZERO… One can’t have a battle cry for the negative or ZERO unless he’s a second-hander, brainwashed or a bigot. This mantra means that it is the SCHOOL that determines your virtues, win or lose. A second-hander is someone who accepts UNEARNED honor, prestige and glory.
    “The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.”

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • 17 Pieces permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Exactly.

        Now, I ask you this question: Do you really want to speak out against discrimination, or do you really just want to bash Ateneo? If it’s the first, then practice what you preach and try to be fair: look at the situation with an unbiased eye instead of focusing on the ones who have been stereotypically labelled “elitist”.

        But if it’s the second, feel free to continue. Just don’t try to assume moral ascendancy. It will only make you look like an ass.

      • Silangan permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

        I’ll translate it for you…

        “WIN OR LOSE, ITS THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE”…

        “Manalo o Matalo, Ito ang pinili naming paaralan”…

        Another version.. pwede rin ang…

        “Manalo o Matalo, Ito ang paaralan na aming pinili”…

        Maraming versions ang pwe-pwede ipalit dito…

        pick your choice!…😄

    • enteng elitista. permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      “The important thing about you is what you choose to make happen – your values and choices. That which happened by accident – what family you were born into, in what country, and where you went to school – is totally unimportant.”

      Agreed.

      And though I want to respect Ayn Rand for this quote, allow me to nitpick. Even you should recognize that there is a fallacy within this text. Unlike what family you were born into, or what country, your CHOICE of school is not an accident. so if the first premise holds, your choice of school is not unimportant.

    • snarkymaster permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      I hope you’d stop re-posting this comment because it really doesn’t make any sense!

  71. coolako permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    https://i0.wp.com/3.bp.blogspot.com/_51-Q8QAJcQw/ScB0CxQRNQI/AAAAAAAAFiY/v3PwaoNKuDw/s320/banned.png

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Ohh…. Nice one… I think you missed your GMRC. Do you have to “spit” invectives just to get your message across? I love how you expressed your passionate idea. Very entertaining and enlightening.

    • Silangan permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Just look at how he responded to his blog… Very Unethical indeed…

      Nagmumura pa… wala bang manners?…

  72. everyone shut up permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    ATENEANS.

    shut up. who cares about one guy’s opinions? leave him alone. it’s a waste of energy when you all could be doing something else.

    i mean it’s his point of view. why does everybody feel the incredible need to change it? it’s not like he’ll get up and realize. wow I’m wrong! or something. it’s his hate-post. what could any of you get by attacking his article?

    UAAP INSPIRED FLAME BAIT TO.

    lahat naman kayo kumagat. just stop.
    hate begets hate. wala namang mananalo dito e.

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Two words: optional requirements. Haha. Bored and with nothing else to do. :))

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Oh yeah ditto that.

      Sige lang Froilan, pagpatuloy mo na lang yung ganyang pag-iisip, hindi ka na namin pipigilan. Keep on doing this and thinking the way you think. It’s very productive. *apir*

    • Just a quick observation permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      you gotta hand it too him, dedicated troll is DEDICATED

      • AN ATENEAN permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Oh ano Froilan? REPLY TO MY RESPONSES! Haha.

        Come to think of it, this is a win-win situation for the both of us. You get hits to your site (thanks to Ateneans), and I get to laugh at the hilarity of this all…plus, getting to stretch my brain muscles while at it too. haha.

    • 17 Pieces permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      No, I won’t.

      Granted, if it’s just a transparent hate-post against Ateneo, I wouldn’t even have bothered. However, he is speaking out against academic bigotry, and he does have good points. He seems to be literate, well-read, able to think, but just a little narrow-minded. Why shouldn’t we show him other, opposing opinions?

      By the way, most of the Ateneans’ comments were respectful and logical. So I don’t see any need for you to shut them up.

      (Well, sorry if I appear biased, but you directed your comment at us, so I had to respond.)

  73. Walang Mag-chi-cheer, Nakamamatay permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Sir, you are so sure that ungas_ang_nga_taga_ue and bandido are Ateneans, right?

    Then welcome to the internet =))

    And yes I do understand that you’re all apeshit on the collectivism aspect of everything (and that UAAP comments here wouldn’t mean a thing, since every premise of talking to you about “community” and “group” and even “school” would be fruitless), but then the moment you labeled a lyric line as bigot, that’s being indirectly ad hominem to people who value that song. Ay teka, you wouldn’t really care, individualist ka nga pala.

    And congratulations, you directed traffic to your site. Yehey, magkaka-ads na siya. Kikita na tayo. =))

  74. Merry Christmas permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    LOL I lied. It’s not too long, I read it. Okay here we go:

    First paragraph:
    LOL, you are assuming too many things from just 8 words. How sure are you of your assumptions? ^_^

    Second paragraph:
    Racism? Bigotry? LOL. I wonder what dictionary you are using.

    Third paragraph:
    Wow, thank you for defining that. May I give you an advice? Please do not contribute/write/publish a dictionary in the future. It will not be accurate. It will not sell.

    Fourth paragraph:
    Who are you to dictate what schools are supposed to do? How sure are you of what this academic institution teaches their students?

    Fifth paragaraph:
    I’m happy for you because you seem glad that the UE Red Warriors won that second game.

    Image # 1:
    Is this person even an Atenean?

    Sixth paragraph:
    The opinions of some are not representative of the opinions of the whole community. Please do not base your arguments on select radical comments.

    Seventh paragraph:
    I agree with you that those kind of comments/banners are really appalling. My comment for this one is the same as the previous one’s.

    Image # 2:
    Copy pasted comment from Image #1 —> Is this person even an Atenean?
    I hope that you are aware that there are also non-Ateneans who support the Blue Eagles. These people can also be very passionate and opinionated.

    Eighth paragraph:
    You should be reminded not to label academic institutions as such. It takes away your credibility and casts doubts on your ability as a “law student”. Perhaps, this is why you are “struggling”? Lol jk! But we all know that jokes are half-meant.😉

    Image # 3:
    You could’ve made this image bigger you know. Same comment as the previous images + comment from the sixth paragraph.

    Ninth paragraph:
    Are you sure that this is what the professors teach the Ateneans? Judging from this post, I am assuming that you are not an Atenean. Therefore, please do not assume freely on what the professors teach their students. However, since you are entitled to your own opinions, then I guess I should not have said that previous sentence. I will not delete that though, I will let it stay. I would just like to remind you that people will also freely assume about your mental capabilities because of this post even if people do not really know you.

    Quotation:
    Lol? Did you just quote yourself?😄

    Tenth paragraph:
    Wow. Did you just compare the Ateneo to Harvard? Wow.
    Lol. I am feeling sorry for you right now because I think you are very confused. I’m wondering how you managed to arrive at the thought that the Ateneo can be judged and defined by UAAP basketball fanaticism. I know a lot of Ateneans who do not even bother to watch the games.

    Eleventh paragraph:
    This is a poor paragraph to end your article with. Please try harder next time. Thank you.

    • Inday permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Merry Christmas = troll.

      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        I’m sorry you got that impression Inday. I’m not trying to start a flame war, just merely giving out filtered thoughts and comments regarding his article. I understand where you are coming from though, the personality injection might have led you to think otherwise. (The first TL;DR comment, I agree that was asking for it. However, you did not give out your “troll” comment on that post.)

        Point is, I disagree with what you said, not because you were referring to me, but because I believe you are confused with the definition of an internet troll. Trolls resort to ad hominem attacks. Do you see any in this post?🙂

  75. "academic racist" is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    There’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said already.

    However, I ask you to reply to all the commenters’ replies/arguments, to at least defend your point, because honestly, your blog is becoming too ridiculous already. And I have to agree that it has ended up as some sort of intellectual masturbation at the expense of “bigot” schools.

    For someone who’s studying to be a lawyer, you fail with your arguments. You do realize that to be a lawyer, you have to reply to your opponent’s arguments right? You can just keep replying with the same answer over and over again to defend yourself. Gotta get yourself new material son!

    But really, I want to read your replies to their arguments. I want to see your side.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Exactly. So dear sir, come on. We don’t have all year!

  76. Ricky Mambo permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • halikinu permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      this is exactly why some people hate Ateneans (or Lasallians and UP people).

  77. Archer permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    This guy obviously just wants attention–like Jacque (or whatever her name is) Bermejo during Ondoy–and these crazy Ateneans are eating it all up.

    Personally, I like the “Win or lose…” slogan. Better than “Animo” IMO. Hush.

    I hope UE wins and let’s see if these Eagles stay true to their so-called battle cry. As for this guy, Froilan…good job on getting the blood of these guys to boil because of your stupid, out-of-context, unnecessary interpretation of their motto, which has probably been there long before you were born.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      I like your comment.🙂

      However, please correct me if I’m wrong, but the Blue Eagles only won the championship twice during the last decade. I did not see any Ateneans killing themselves or anything when the Blue Eagles lost. After all the drama and intensity in the court, students still have homeworks/long exams/orals/deadlines, while the alumni have work/family etc. to go home to.

    • Silangan permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      One word: Stubborn…

  78. October 7, 2009 3:38

    To immortal_bastiat:

    Actually I wrote this as a test case. To really know how they think and behave. I didn’t just write this for pleasure or for the sake of hitting the iron while it’s still hot. I had this observation long, long ago, and no matter how they deny it, it’s already obvious to conceal or to fake reality. The worst enemy of this country are its top universities that preach the virtue of altruism, sacrifice, selfishness and collectivism. Sad to say, but it’s proven… Of course they can’t understand my thesis unless they’re given a choice… and I think you know what I mean…

  79. atenista permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Forget about the loopholes in the arguments. Forget about the sweeping generalizations. Forget about the dozens of rebuttals that have yet to be addressed. To put it simply, you are over analyzing a simple lyric that no one gives an eff about.

    Oh and elitis? Have you actually been to Ateneo? Do you know how nuch the admin spends on scholarships. Out of less than 8000 students, there are approximately 1000 scholars in the Loyola Schools. Elitista? I don’t think so.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      You’ve got to sleep, dude. You need to wake up early for tom’s game… don’t worry I’ll be there at Upper Box B since tickets were already sold out even before they were offered to the public (allegedly). So let’s see tom who made pakyaw of the tickets. May the best team win… sincerely…

      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Waw you so konyo ha.😛

        Who made Pacquiao?😄

      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38
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        October 7, 2009 3:38
      • come on permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • October 8, 2009 3:38

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  80. Oh really, now? permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Since when did school support suddenly translate into academic bigotry?

    Though many of the people in this forum have already said this, I have to say that,

    WIN OR LOSE, IT’S THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE simply means that we love our school whether or not we win the freaking game. It’s that simple.

    And it’s not wrong to love our school, is it?

    UP’s school song starts with, “UP Naming Mahal” and calls their school “pamantasang hirang”. I don’t see you calling them bigots for calling their school “the chosen one”. Yes, apparently, hirang in english means “chosen” too.

    La Salle’s song Hails their Alma Mater and says they’ll fight for to keep their glory bright. I don’t see you calling them bigots for saying they have glory.

    And yet, when Ateneo sings that “win or lose, it’s the school we choose”, it’s suddenly bigotry?

  81. We respect your opinion permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Win or lose pa rin, baby. Win or lose.

    • Man_O'_Law permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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  82. Man_O'_Law permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Walang Mag-chi-cheer, Nakamamatay permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      I do hope you’re being sarcastic here. Otherwise, *d’oh*

      And Sir Blogger, I can always claim to be an Atenean, like 99% of the population, like this commenter above. But then, am I?

      Till then, yey! 140+ replies and counting…

    • SOMETHING FISHY permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Something tells me you’re not really an Atenean.

      • Man_O'_Law permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        You know there’s something fishy about you!

      • Man_O'_Law permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Oh and Atenean talaga ako sa De Manila hah di sa mga tabi tabi na ateneo lang. HS pa lang ako proctor ko si Ms. Pangan😀 at si sir Dator mukha pa ring aso😀 kung atenista ka alam ko kung sinu yung mga toh…. 3E ako ngaun lapit na mag college “GO ATENEO!!!”

    • Man_O'_Law permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      “Read this first before commenting my Athenean brothers”

      • ooo permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        haha. okay. i kinda get what you mean😀

    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      You say you’re Atenean?

      Then I say I’m Brad Pitt.

      • Man_O'_Law permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Oh and Atenean talaga ako sa De Manila hah di sa mga tabi tabi na ateneo lang. HS pa lang ako proctor ko si Ms. Pangan at si sir Dator mukha pa ring aso kung atenista ka alam ko kung sinu yung mga toh…. 3E ako ngaun lapit na mag college “GO ATENEO!!!” pls read my previous comments baka ikaw yung poser sir Brad Pitt

      • passing through permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        bata pa, wag patulan🙂

    • Inday permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        That’s precisely it. He won’t stop the boxing in because, from all the things he said in his post (and all his comments), this is what he loves doing the most. And here I thought law students were supposed to be out-of-the-box thinkers.

  83. come on permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Honestly, Froilan? It’s just a basketball game. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Tulad ng lahat ng laro, may nananalo at natatalo. At sa lahat ng laro, may kantiyawan talaga okay? Ganun talaga iyon. It’s part of the fucking fun. Get a grip and get a life.

    Being an intellectual doesn’t just entail reading all about Kant, Marx and other great minds. It also means immersing yourself in your environment and knowing about what you’re talking about. Have you even bothered to ask Ateneans what the line means to them? No. What the line means to them matters more than YOUR interpretation. Their interpretation tells us about their character. What YOU read into it does not tell anything about their character.

    Get your head out of your books and learn from people. Learn from life.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      I’m wondering what those panties are like. Lace? Cotton? Polyester? Or perhaps, granny panties?😀

  84. ateneo freshman merit scholar permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Isa lang po masasabi ko sayo. God bless you. I hope nafulfill mo yung mga goals mo sa blogpost na ito.

  85. atenean bar none permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Win or lose, it’s the school we choose refers to a school that for the past 150 years has been one of, if not the best school in this country. people don’t just get into a school of that caliber, they earn it. students have worked very hard to get into an educational institution that offers them quality education and not basketball championships. the slogan simply states that whether we win that basketball game or not we still choose to go to ateneo because it has proven time and again that it is first and foremost an excellent institution. An institution that people earn to become a part of. So to say that it is unearned or unimportant is wrong simply because students of the ateneo made a choice to go there not because of uaap rankings but because of the VALUES and the quality of education that they will receive.

    to be able to shout that slogan, people must earn the right to be atenean because you can’t just choose ateneo, you have to be part of ateneo.

  86. Parang pagbili lang ng saging. (another academic-bigot) permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Ganito po ang analogy ko sa nagiging epekto ng ginawa niyong article:

    pag bumili kayo ng saging, hindi lang isa yun diba? isang sanga siya. Pagkatapos mong maghapunan, nais mong kumuha ng isa para dessert. Nagkataong ang nakuha mong saging mula sa grupo ay bulok. Dahil bulok po ba yung nag iisang saging na yun, ibabasura mo na rin yung lahat kasi sa palagay niyo bulok na rin lahat?

    yung mga tulad ni MGA_UNGAS_TALAGA_ANG _MGA TAGA_UE at si hoi_poloi, ikinalulungkot kong, tunay na mga elitistang atenista = bulok na saging.

  87. Wordpress Team permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I suggest you just close down your blog.

  88. sowi permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    sowi pOwh,, mga atEneAns.., klazmeyt qu pOwh 2ng c frOiLAn, mbAet poh yan.. guztoh lan poh nmiN magpPAncn sa iniu bGo nAmen kau taLunin 2m.., hiHiHihi…

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38
    • Man_O'_Law permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Hey, that’s mean.😦

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38
    • AN ATENEAN permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      aAH gAnUn poHz bAhz?

  89. Man_O'_Law permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Go Ateneo!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck UE and all other Universities!

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      PARE THAT’S MEAN! Tulog ka na! Sleep deprivation lang yan!😄

    • SHEET permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Syet ang gwapo mo pala Froilan. =)) =)) =))

  90. Man_O'_Law permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Go Ateneo!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck UE and all other Universities!!

  91. Mggy permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    EVERYONE!

    Check your premises.

    Check. Your. Premises.

    =))

  92. October 7, 2009 3:38

    Naghihintay pa rin ako ng sagot sa mga tanong ko sa una kong post. Punto-per-punto mong sagutin ang mga sagot ng iba pang nag-iwan ng kanilang mensahe. “Argumentative” naman ang sinulat mo, kaya tama lamang na sagutin mo rin ang argumentong ipinasok ng iba.

    Naniniwala akong sa ganitong diskurso lamang napapalalim ang pag-iisip ng tao at naitatama ang mga maling paniniwala o paraan ng pag-iisip.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      You don’t deserve my answer.

      • kayyyy permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Taray.

        Nagblog ka pa if you’re not willing naman pala to accomodate criticisms and even insults. You should’ve written this to you DIARY instead. Welcome to the internet, Froilan.

        Ang nagplug ka pa ng libro. Ridiculous.

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        …or you prolly just can’t🙂 ha!

      • come on permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        SABIHIN MO LANG KASI NA BARADO KA NA. YOU DON’T DESERVE MY ANSWER KA DIYAN. SABIHIN MONG WALA KA NA KASING MA-ANSWER.

        Mag-aral ka ulit!

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        Because not every argument deserves an answer. I don’t want to give my sanction to every argument you raised here.

      • dragonboy8671 permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        She doesn’t deserve your answer?

        Or you can’t answer her questions?

        Judging by the narrow-minded, illogical way you’ve been fielding in questions and points for contention, I’m inclined to believe the latter.

        And you are supposed to be a Law student? Glad you put up your real name. I’ll make sure that I (and my friends) won’t avail of your services as a lawyer when (of if) you are awarded the title.

      • 17 Pieces permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        I think you just don’t have one.

        No, really. All I see you doing is pressing your ideology despite the fact that your arguments have repeatedly been challenged, instead of actually replying to

        You’re gonna be a lawyer? I pity your poor clients-to-be; they’ll end up in jail because you didn’t know how to refute the accusations against them. :))

      • shet. permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        https://i0.wp.com/3.bp.blogspot.com/_51-Q8QAJcQw/ScB0CxQRNQI/AAAAAAAAFiY/v3PwaoNKuDw/s320/banned.png

      • Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        This, sir, has got to be one of the most disrespectful rebuttals I have ever heard on the internet. Particularly coming from an “intellectual” such as you. Considering that the person who doesn’t deserve your reply was probably the nicest commenter on here. Congratulations, man, you have just booked a permanent suite in the pantheon of failed pseudointellectuals. Fail ka na nga sa argumentation, fail ka na nga sa critical thinking, fail ka pa sa logic. Come on, I challenge you. There are a lot of sensible comments on your post. Why not respond?

      • Silangan permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

        “Because not every argument deserves an answer. I don’t want to give my sanction to every argument you raised here.”

        There is your answer…

        puro nalang bad comments un binabato niyo pag sumasagot ng maayos… ganyan ba talaga, kailangan pang humirit ulit?

  93. October 7, 2009 3:38

    Well, may the best team win in tomorrow’s game… Pwedeng pa-plug? I’d like to take this opportunity to recommend the following bestselling books:

    ATLAS SHRUGGED
    THE FOUNTAINHEAD
    WE THE LIVING
    CAPITALISM: THE UNKNOWN IDEAL

    All by AYN RAND.

    Also: REVOLUTION and END THE FED by U.S. Rep Ron Paul
    HUMAN ACTIONLIBERALISMSOCIALISM by Ludwig von Mises
    OMINOUS PARALLEL by Leonard Peikoff

    • dragonboy8671 permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Seems to me, those are the only philosophical books you’ve read.

      In any case, yes. May the best team win.

      Oh and Froilan,

      WIN OR LOSE, IT’S THE SCHOOL I CHOOSE :p

    • Walang Mag-chi-cheer, Nakamamatay permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Thanks for the suggestions. Will try to read at least one of those when time permits.

      Well apparently, you just tried to advance the cause of individualism (and whatever it stands for), and though you made a dozen mistakes or two in that article, the thought was there. Sadly, you hurt Atenean sensibilities of different paradigms. And along with ’em some more “Atenean” sensibilities.

      I just find it sad that it had to come down to this. The moment I saw the “WordPress Team”, wala na ‘to.

      Still, yey for blog traffic. And see you on Thursday. And may the best team win.😀

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        You’ll see my point once you read any of these books. I honestly recommend them… no agenda whatsoever on my part. Good luck and thank you for commenting. Good premises (this is my way to convey God bless… because I’m an atheist…)

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Oh these are your references eh? And you base all your thoughts and opinions from the precepts these books have taught?

      You think all these are right, sir? Think again. L-)

    • enteng elitista. permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Though I have noticed the logical slip ups in this article, I’m quite intrigued by your line of thinking. Thank you for these recommendations. I will find time to read them.

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      If you want to wake people up do not forget “How To Live Free in an Unfree World” and “Why Government Doesn’t Work” both by the late great Harry Browne. Also “Meltdown” by Tom Woods to understand the truth about the economy.

      Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, Marc Faber, Jim Rogers, Max Keiser, Harry Browne, Gerald Celente, G. Edward Griffin, Lew Rockwell, John Stossel, Jan Helfeld, Tom Woods.

      Modern day voices of common sense that the Filipino youth should hear about.

      Enjoy liberty!

      • October 9, 2009 3:38

        LIKE!

    • LoLz permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      pwede TWILIGHT, NEW MOON, ECLIPSE, at BREAKING DAWN? hahaha

      • October 9, 2009 3:38

        Sad to say not a fan of Anne Rice. Lookin’ forward to 2012 and Atlas Shrugged movie!

  94. enteng elitista. permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Good day sir. When I read your original article–that which stated “win or lose its the school YOU choose”, I thought that the rest of your introduction was pegged on your misinterpretation of that particular line of the school song. As your article continues, you go on and say how the Ateneo system in itself is wrong because it advocates this type of irrational dogma. Of course I’d like to point out that had your wording of that particular phrase been right, then your argument could be given that much more weight considering how the phrasing implies an imposition that runs along these lines: “whether we win or lose, you should choose this school, otherwise you are nothing”–a line of thought that you pursued with your interpretation.

    Unfortunately for you, as you’ve noticed (since you edited your post) the real phrasing is “win or lose its the school we choose”–a rather harmless show of loyalty and school spirit which you recognize is absolutely fine provided that we understand the extents of our abilities and achievements. So I ask you sir, is pride for a team that gracefully accepts defeat not a recognition of the extents of our abilities and achievements? I think not.

    Of course here is where you come in with your arguments on how those derogatory rants that you found on those forums are representative of the Ateneo community. As many others have stated that is a very very bad hasty generalization. The community is not generally composed of these arrogant elitists, though we do concede that as in other universities, these trolls dwell amongst us. But I’d like you to consider how these posts are not enough to justify that we are collectively the problem of this country.

    But before I get carried away, I’d like to end this with my point. You made this article with a falsely construed interpretation of a misworded statement in mind. Through our comments you’ve learned what the right statement truly is. The two are not the same and thus, if your credentials hold true, you realize that if the rest of the article is hinged on this mistake, the rest of your article does not really represent what you want it to be.

    And you know that this mistake entails a far greater correction than turning a “you” into a “we”.

    It takes a lot of balls to take responsibility for an error. It takes even greater balls to correct it.

  95. Merry Christmas permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38
  96. MEJ DAMI NYONG ALAM permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    guys ang dami niyong alam masyado. siguro ateneans kayo lahat!

    FABILEEYOH!

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Pabili YO?

      YO YO YO! WHAT’S UP YO!

  97. Gorby permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Given that Mr. Bersamina has committed fallacious arguements (even if I admit that I am an Atenean, but from intellectual point of view, there really are), I also have to admit that he has pointed out actual instances that reflect lack of consideration of some “alleged” Ateneans for people around them (specifically non-Ateneans). Frankly, these said instances do trouble me too and sometimes compel me to feel worried about the name for my school (because I’ve been Atenean for 13 years now, and I have seen most of my schoolmates’ colors).

    However, putting aside my being Atenean, I feel offended by how you, Mr. Bersamina, have attacked the general culture and values of the concerned institution with basis established on various occurences in a sports tournament and a handful of comments that you claim have been spoken by Ateneans (though don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that they’re not). If this was said about UP or any other school, I would feel the same way, and I hope that after all the comments laid out by people here in your site (whether or not they were typed by Ateneans), you would know where I’m coming from.

    I really do respect your right to voice out your opinion regarding this matter, and that you intend us, Ateneans, to be more open to what some of us are or have been and be more considerate to those we have insulted. Just the same, what some of the comments above mine are trying to point out (especially those rid off tints of unreasonable anger towards what you have just written) is that you too be considerate of what you have just said.

    Maybe your post is right, maybe it’s not. Again, just be considerate, Mr. Bersamina. Considering that you aim your idea to be accepted by your audience (unless this is just a random ranting that anyone can be a victim to), play alongside the two-way system of communication: speak and listen. I’m quite sure some of the comments above mine have made factual points and I suggest that you be open to these.

    Finally, I would just like to make my own point. You have to admit, no institution is perfect. Not everyone under it upholds its values and avoid putting its name on the line by making publick judgements about other people or groups. I’m quite sure you yourself have been associated too with institutions which are more or less not exempt from the state of imperfection that I have just pointed out. Consider your post, Mr. Bersamina. If people said the same thing about your institution, what would you feel? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to get back or whatsoever. Hopefully, that will set a guideline for you if ever you plan again to write something you intend to draw a lot of attention.

    God bless.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      This is just the beginning… and I’m not targeting or singling out Ateneo. There’s a broader picture here which you somehow missed. Thank you for your reminder and good premises…

      • Common Sense permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • hahaha permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        lyrics na lang kasi ng mga kanta ni taylor swift ang i-analyze mo.

  98. haha permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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  99. Popup permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Man. Such long posts. I get lost reading them. Really. It’s like drowning in info. Though with all your long replies to people challenging your point, you missed to address one thing. Or maybe I just missed it with the length of all the posts. But I’d like to know what your reply is to the people pointing out your hasty generalization. I can’t argue with your philosophy rebuttals. That would take another long post. And you would most likely reply with a longer one. And I’d rather not have that. I’d just like to know why you say that Ateneo promotes bigotry basing it on that simple slogan and comments of SOME vulgar Ateneans.

    To me and to a lot of other people, that slogan is so simple. It simply says I’ll be loyal to this school even if another school is much better. Nothing complicated about that.

    Furthermore, the comments you posted from those Areneans seem one sided. Those comments are replies to other vulgar comments, but you didn’t show them. It’s quite unfair that you’d bash Ateneans for making rude comments and leave out those from other schools. Every school has students who make rude comments, not just Ateneo. Take a look at this for example: What would you say to that? To the Ateneans who made those comments, I’d agree to call them idiots. But if I were to call every Atenean an idiot because of those comments, I would also be an idiot. Also, in thread where those comments you posted came from, I bet there were Ateneans who commented but weren’t rude. Did you leave those out so you could strengthen your point?

    An interesting thing though. If I say, “La Salle is best! Stupid lahat ng galing sa ibang schools!” Does that mean I am from La Salle? I could say I’m from UP, but I’m actually from UST. I could use make like those to make students from another school look bad. This is the internet. Anyone can be anyone they want.

    It’s pretty wrong to judge the whole Ateneo with just those use as proof. You’re part of a group of some kind. Everyone is. May it be a government organization or just a simple club. So after reading this article, if i think you’re quick to judge, does that mean that all the members of the group you are part of are also quick to judge? Of course not, right?

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  100. Gorby permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    PS. Forgive my spelling errors, for it’s already close to midnight and I just hoped I could point out something here. Thanks for reading.

  101. JLM_hates_biased_authors permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    The author is clearly one sided. The statement ‘win or lose, its the school we choose’ simply shows how Ateneans love their school regardless of the outcomes in such events. Why make such a big fuss about it? Why is this person making things seem as if the Ateneo is full of elitists who are rude. Why is he even generalizing the Ateneo as a whole?

    If the person who wrote this is complaining about how the Ateneo players’ attitude was, then he obviously has no clue. It’s merely part of the game. And if he/she indeed watched the game, then she should have seen how dirty these UE ballers were. They were throwing in hidden elbow shots and were shoving the Ateneo players. It is only natural for the Ateneo players to retaliate. You can’t let anyone bully you on the court, cause if you do, you might as well just not play anymore because you’re giving them permission to walk all over you on the court.

    And what kind of stupid ideology was she trying to reinforce by quelling that Ronald Tubid and Arwind Santos were not accepted in these institutions. Mind you, sir/ma’am, basketball talent is not a basis of acceptance in a certain cream-of-the-crop institution. One must have the sufficient amount of skill and dexterity in the academic fields. Those extra curricular talents are merely just a bonus. I for one am sure that those 2 would not even be able to outsmart a freshman high school student of the Ateneo. They can’t even speak straight English for Christ’s sake.

    And lastly, the author is an idiot for giving Bill Gates’ dropping out of Harvard as an example because first of all, Bill Gates lives in a first world country with a lot of opportunities available even for mere High School drop outs. Secondly, because of the fact that Bill Gates was able to pass and was a student of Harvard only shows that he was a man compelled with great intelligence. If a person drops out here in the Philippines, it will be hard for him/her to sustain his/her future. You cannot use Bill Gates’ actions to justify that a great school is not needed. A school like the Ateneo or De La Salle will always be the standards here in the Philippines because they are indeed the best. And they have numerous accolades that can attest to that. And never was there a mention that great minds are exclusively only those came from these schools. There was never a mention of that. And never was there a person who gave any less of respect and admiration to Lucio Tan and the aforementioned others because they were not products in these said institutions.

    There is nothing wrong with the institution’s system of instilling great pride on their students. There is no harm in that. One cannot generalize these certain students who belong in these respective schools for each person is an individual and there are numerous factors which could have led to the development of the superiority complex within them if there is one present even. The schools cannot be held entirely liable.

    Who ever the author is needs a refresher course in Logic for the arguments in this article are all fallacies. A refresher course in journalism could help too for it is clearly reiterated that journalism should never be biased.

    What an idiot. What a joke. Clearly this person has something against the Ateneo or has a certain hatred for them. He surely doesn’t understand the pride of being an alumnus of these fine institutions.

    You sir/ma’am have some nerve and guts. Sadly, journalism and logic just doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Wow, nice comment there JLM_hates_biased_authors. *thumbs up*

      I frown on these two sentences though:
      “I for one am sure that those 2 would not even be able to outsmart a freshman high school student of the Ateneo. They can’t even speak straight English for Christ’s sake.”

      That’s just mean.😦

  102. gio permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    At first I was a bit glad that someone finally brought attention to all the douchebags from my school. But after reading all your replies to these comments, you suddenly gave off the impression of a lonely man who wants to show everyone how smart he is. There is a way to get your point across without looking like a douchebag yourself, you know.

    People can be assholes – it doesn’t matter what school they come from. No need to blame it on a university. Peace!

  103. Froylan Bezarmina permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Lundagin mo, babeh. permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Last line = win.

      • JLM_hates_biased_authors permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Hello Fidel Ala. :)) :>

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      October 9, 2009 3:38

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  104. Green & Blue permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    What I find so sad about this entire thing is the fact that so many people have already stated that Ateneo’s Motto/Slogan: “Win or Lose, it’s the school we choose” speaks of pride for your school…and nothing more. I consider myself lucky enough to have had the opportunity to attend the two schools you criticized. And as I recall,We were never taught to look down on others just because they were poor.

    Your entire article is based on blogs or observations from a game. I understand that every person has the right to their own opinion but when those opinions don’t make sense then it’s just a waste of time. The only good thing that came out of reading this article was that it made me realize just how ignorant you really are. I honestly don’t expect you to listen or to even agree with me because from what I’ve seen, the only thing you’ll agree with is the useless shit coming out of your own mouth…

    Whoever wins tomorrow, UE or ADMU, one thing is for sure…both sides will be proud of their teams and their alma mater..WIN or LOSE

    • Froylan Binzent Bezarmina permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Froylan Binzent Bezarmina likes this. WIN OR LOSE. Check up on the meaning of these words.

  105. dragonboy8671 permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    This so-called “academic bigotry” (if there is such a thing) has been going on for some time now.

    Why only write an article now, my dear UE blogger? Why?

    • PulaPuti permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      where did your assumption that he’s from UE came from?😆

      • dragonboy8671 permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        Research. Google the name.

        Also his replies (the one where he states that he’ll be in Araneta tomorrow)

        Reading comprehension + Research skills dude.

      • November 20, 2009 3:38

        PulaPuti,

        Where did your assumption… COME from?

  106. Kerr permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I find your name funny Froilan😛 :))

  107. Croc permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Froilan… so sexy.

    • Kerr permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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      • Lundagin mo, babeh. permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Uy, medyo foul naman ata yon.😦 Wag nating pakita na katulad tayo ng mga “Atenean” na dine-describe nya! Basta bukas one big fight.🙂

      • Kerr permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        sinabi ko bang atenista ako? i just wanted some man lovin from froilan:)

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        eh kung lundagin ko kaya mukha mo???

      • Lundagin mo, babeh. permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Sa bagay. Pero kadiri lang. Hahaha. Peace🙂

      • cake permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        peace?? tang ina.. peace ko kaya puke ng nanay mo????>

  108. phoenix_down permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    ako na isang atenista inaamin ko ang pagiging elitista namin. win or lose it’s the school we choose. i guess maaring tignan sa ganoong frame of mind, pero maari ring sabihin na “i’ll stick to my team and play with them despite winning or losing”. maraming iba pang varsity sports ang ateneo. pero naka focus lang talaga sa baskeball kaya medyo sabog lang talaga

  109. Sir Froilan's Facebook permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    http://www.facebook.com/froivinber?ref=share

    For Froilan’s newly found friends; his Facebook account.

    Go easy on his looks, please.

    • PulaPuti permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      Ano naman kinalaman ng looks ni author dito?

      • anonymous permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        wala. kadiri lang :))

    • snobsnob permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      papalicious pala si froylan! hahaha.. hindi yan sarcasm. kapag ue at ateneo uli ang finals next season date tayo sa game 1 ah!😛 hahahaha

  110. PulaPuti permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    One short comment about the way you write/answer. You seem to be like Friedrich Nietzsche. You’re familiar to him, don’t ya?

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.”

    Etong statement na to ang pinagaawayan nyo lahat, actually pwde naman din kasi syang tingnan sa napkaraming perspective, depende nalang ito sa panlasa ng tumingin. Kung iba ang pananaw mo dito, kung negative man, den so be it.

    Kanya kanya lang yan. “The beauty is in the eye of the beholder” kumbaga.

    • Cake permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

      beauty is in the eye of the beholder? ulol mo gago! tangina mo pakantot ng tatay mo!

      • John permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Where’s the peace? Peace peace peace peace peace. Da da da da da.

      • October 7, 2009 3:38

        oo nga sige na please.. eye of the beholder amp! tang ina mong gago!! mukha kang putang ina!!

      • PulaPuti permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        moron

  111. October 7, 2009 3:38

    PulaPuti.. may kinalaman looks dito kasi mukha kang gago. tapos pangit pangalan mo.. HINDI SIYA LAFF TREEEEEEP

  112. BITTERFREAK permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Mr. Creampie permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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  113. October 7, 2009 3:38

    I suggest that you all watch X-Men Evolution… On watching mode right now before goin’ to sleep.

    • Mr. Creampie permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • YOUR DAD permalink
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      • Reginald permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • LoLz permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      pwede twilight na lang?

  114. October 7, 2009 3:38

    I don’t deserve your answer? Why? You deemed it worthy of you to reply (in kind) to posts that are crass, but didn’t think that my arguments which were made on the same playing field upon which you fielded your arguments are deserving of a well-thought-of reply? I made sure I was playing by the rules you set out—no bigotry, no prejudice as to what school you’re from (I was never good at guessing games so I didn’t even try), in the very formal, very constructive style that you first used. What about my arguments were so undeserving of a reply.

    Why post a public article that you know from the onset will “challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country” if you are not prepared to defend it against all criticism, or at least explain certain foggy areas of your discourse?

    As an Atenean, I was certainly insulted when you lumped me as one of the academic bigots, and I need to know how anyonw who makes that claim came to that conclusion. If you explain your points to me well, I will be given a chance to change. If you were proven wrong, I (and the rest of the decent Ateneans–pati La Sallians–you maligned) will be redeemed.

    Having said that, I noticed you did reply to one of my older posts. So, let me give you the courtesy of my response, as well.

    “First, I firmly believe that that slogan of yours, which I and others call bigot, reflects the dogmatism of your institution.”

    –Read my very first post carefully: I did not say anything about the slogan in question. My point is simply this: that you chose to single out Ateneo and La Salle as the universities that breed bigotry, turning a blind eye on the same activities that students from other schools probably engage in as well, and therefore doing a disservice to them (they won’t get the benefit of the same eye-opening arguments against bigotry you’ve laid out) and makes you a bigot as well. Give me a satisfactory response to this critique, and I will be happy.
    – Who are the others you allude to?
    – Have you read, understood and dissected the dogma of my school yet? Enough for you to know whether or not our catchphrases are dogmatisms? If not, then you are not qualified to criticise said catchphrases. To channel your love for bringing philosophers into arguments: the scholar/philosopher must first understand all nuances of an ideology before s/he can lay out a credible critic. Only by knowing all the details of a building will you know where its cracks are.

    “ It will take another full-blown article for me to comply with your request.”

    – You’ve already written one, what’s another? And if it can fortify your arguments, then it is well worth the effort, right. I have written a full-blown article in response to your post, just so my ideas can be well laid-out, because you deserve that much for being courageous enough to bring up the fact that students do overstep the boundaries of ethical behaviour when they get caught up in the heat of the UAAP. You owe me (and all those who replied to your post respectfully and intellectually) answers to questions.

    “Jose Rizal once said: “America is the land par excellence of freedom but only for the whites.”:
    – I do not know how this is relevant to my critique.

    “Should I say that Ateneo is the school par excellence of quality education but only for Ateneans?”

    – No, you shouldn’t. And in fact, it isn’t so. While Ateneo is (by international and local standards) a very good school, it must not be exclusively for Ateneans (or the ones who can afford to pay the higher tuition). That is why part of the tuition fee that those who can afford to study in Ateneo go into scholarships for poor but deserving students. Kung pera lang ang pag-uusapan, puwede kong tadtarin ang mga magulang ko’t ipagbili ang laman nila pati kaunting ari-arian, pero hindi ko (at ng pamilya ko na) kakayaning maigapang ang tuition sa Ateneo. This is true not only for me or for regular Ateneo scholars, but for those who benefit from non-formal education that the Ateneo provides to the youth. While the Ateneo cannot spend for providing quality education for every disadvantaged student in the country (hindi ganoon kayaman o ka-”elite” ang Ateneo), it tries to shoulder its share in trying to provide quality education to as many poor students as it can possibly accommodate.

    “One of my professors said every school must carry the word Ateneo in order to have what they call quality education. An alumnus of MLQU, he told a fellow lawyer (an Atenista) who tried to belittle him in court: I’m a graduate of Ateneo de Quiapo.”

    – Ass ‘yun lawyer na Atenista, kung totoo ang sinabi mo. Bastos siya. Hindi siya dapat pamarisan. Pero hindi ibig sabihin noon, lahat ng Atenista ay tulad niya. (Another faulty line of argument from you, as other people pointed out.)

    “How would you explain that “tuition niyo baon ko lang” chant of students from a Catholic school a few years ago? How would you describe that comment from a forumer I posted above? But wait, I’m only referring to the “Academic bigots,” and arguing it is improper for a school to embrace such a big, big slogan, which I call bigot.”

    – I wouldn’t even try to explain it. I have had no personal experience of such (either as receiver or giver of the attack). Nakakainsulto ‘yan, kasi ‘yung binabaon pala nila nang ganoon ganoon na lang, ni hindi kayang gastusin ng magulang ko para sa four-gives na tuition. But again, I will repeat the argument that one (or two—kasi two examples binigay mo) does not make the whole—especially a whole which has thousands others belonging to it.

    “ When I was still writing for our campus paper, I was appalled at how a junior volleyball coach boosted the morale of his players. He yelled at his players: “La Sallista lang sila, Atenista kayo!” Perhaps this is now the morale-boosting trend in the UAAP. I call it a Nazi-type style. What would be the psychological impact of this institutionalised “trend” on the behaviour and minds of the students? Are we raising racist or bigot kids these days?”

    – Balik tayo sa argument: One does not make the whole.

    I just want an logical answer to my main point (see my earliest post). Maipaliwanag mo lang nang maayos sa akin ‘yun masaya na ako.

    • Mr. Creampie permalink
      October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      All my arguments you used are enough to answer your point. Generalization? I had to give examples, which came from my own observation of reality. No, ma’am, I did not generalize. I must agree that there are folks from your school who do not subscribe to academic bigotry, but why is there a need for a so-called school of reason to go down to that level, which is collectivist and anti-reason in its very essence. The Hitler example I used is just an analogy, to argue my thesis that any educational institution that preaches that pride and self-esteem are abstractions that can be decreed or anointed is improper.
      Of course you can argue that that slogan is only to boost the morale of your athletes, but there’s more to that– psychologically and philosophically. It means that it is OK to lose so long as you’re an Atenean. It means that no matter your flaws, inability and weaknesses, it’s forgiven because you belong “here.” It means that pride, honor, prestige and self-esteem are automatic and unearned– that when you turn 16 or 17 all you need to do is enroll in ‘your’ university.
      This kind of dogmatism was employed perfectly by Hitler and Goebbels during the reign of the Nazi Germany. Luz Long had to beat Jessie Owens because he belonged to the Aryan race… that win or lose, he’d remain a creature of superior race. It is disappointing that this philosophical mindset was adopted by an educational institution in this country. I’m not saying– and I’ve never said– that it’s wrong for students to feel proud about their school. But when educators decree that you’re good and excellent because you chose their institution, then I think their line of philosophy is improper– and evil at best.
      But I must say that my main point is this– academic bigotry has no room in sports. In sports, it is the best athlete that will win regardless of his school, academic standing or family relations. In sports, the main goal of the athletes is to show their INDIVIDUAL ability and not collective talent and skills. Their goal is to achieve something for themselves and not merely for their school. There is no such thing as collective talent. Of course, you can always use that slogan of yours. There’s no problem with that, but you can neither deny nor cheat reality that academic bigotry reeks in all schools the UAAP, and the misplaced philosophy of some educators has something to do with this trend. The fundamental message of my article is this: INDIVIDUALISM OVER COLLECTIVISM.
      Thank you for your comment. Good premises…

      • October 8, 2009 3:38

        Again, you’ve managed to elude my main contention: why have you excluded other schools from your critique? Is that not in itself constitute bigotry against Ateneans and La Sallians?

        Never mind the slogan (anyone can put their own meaning to that–even Ateneans do not have the exact same interpretation for it). Just tell me, why just Ateneo and La Salle?

        You speak of providing examples for your argument. There are many crude examples from people in other universities / schools as well. Why pick only those from Ateneo and La Salle–maybe because they are from Ateneo or La Salle? Is that not bigotry as well?

  115. Meat Man permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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  116. Froilan Vincnt Bersamina permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Who made pakyaw?

    • snobsnob permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      aling dionisia

      • October 9, 2009 3:38

        lol!

  117. anonymous permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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  118. Karla permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Sir, may I ask you, what is wrong with pledging allegiance to a school that has given and taught us so much? What is wrong with standing by what we believe in (in this case our school and the education — not purely academic — it offers us) whether it’s winning or losing?

    Honestly, I think it shows moral fiber.

    It’s much easier to just side with whoever is winning.

    But we don’t do that. Hindi kami balimbing.

    We went to the Ateneo because we believe in the kind of education it offers (Sure, there are those whose parents just forced them to study here, but most of us make our own decisions.). That’s why we sing our song with pride, most especially this line, “WIN OR LOSE IT’S THE SCHOOL WE CHOOSE” — which we scream out with conviction. We stand by our decision and what we believe in.

    By writing this, you have desecrated our alma mater song. Consequently, you have desecrated our entire education, what Ateneo stands for and what each of us believes in.

    I am not tolerating the trashtalking so many do. Many of those who have replied here have said that it is nothing to be proud of. But generalizations, I guess you know this having educated yourself very well, are hardly credible. You have generalized so badly that, really, you destroyed your own argument and your credibility.

    Right now, I kind of feel a little low to be replying to this biased blog, but I couldn’t resist when I read your reply to one of the comments:

    “Yes, I posted comments on my status regarding how some schools behave, but most of them centered on the idea of reason over faith– that it is immoral or improper for man to accept things on faith.”

    Sir, if you think faith is not enough for certain things, then you have a big problem. You will never know what authentic love and authentic hope is.

    Alam mo, come out with it already. If you think Ateneo sucks as a school, if you think it doesn’t offer anything academically or otherwise, say it.

    Stop hiding in the shadows of the great men and women of history, philosophy, literature and the world.

    Really.

    And check your stats.

    Ateneo (standing for 150 years as you probably have heard), along with a bunch of other universities in this country, are proven to produce good graduates. People who would not resort to quoting and misinterpreting philosophers and the lives of great ones to prove a point.

    And why target our school alone?

    Don’t other schools have alma maters that show their students’ loyalty?

    Dude, you gotta read other philosophers before you start writing stuff like this. Ayn Rand’s not the only one around.😛

  119. Wala Nang Mas Sasarap Pa Sa Pagiging Atenista permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

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    • Silangan permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Another Stubborn Atenean…

  120. October 7, 2009 3:38

    To Angeli and ALL:

    All my arguments you used are enough to answer your point. Generalization? I had to give examples, which came from my own observation of reality. No, ma’am, I did not generalize. I must agree that there are folks from your school who do not subscribe to academic bigotry, but why is there a need for a so-called school of reason to go down to that level, which is collectivist and anti-reason in its very essence. The Hitler example I used is just an analogy, to argue my thesis that any educational institution that preaches that pride and self-esteem are abstractions that can be decreed or anointed is improper.
    Of course you can argue that that slogan is only to boost the morale of your athletes, but there’s more to that– psychologically and philosophically. It means that it is OK to lose so long as you’re an Atenean. It means that no matter your flaws, inability and weaknesses, it’s forgiven because you belong “here.” It means that pride, honor, prestige and self-esteem are automatic and unearned– that when you turn 16 or 17 all you need to do is enroll in ‘your’ university.
    This kind of dogmatism was employed perfectly by Hitler and Goebbels during the reign of the Nazi Germany. Luz Long had to beat Jessie Owens because he belonged to the Aryan race… that win or lose, he’d remain a creature of superior race. It is disappointing that this philosophical mindset was adopted by an educational institution in this country. I’m not saying– and I’ve never said– that it’s wrong for students to feel proud about their school. But when educators decree that you’re good and excellent because you chose their institution, then I think their line of philosophy is improper– and evil at best.
    But I must say that my main point is this– academic bigotry has no room in sports. In sports, it is the best athlete that will win regardless of his school, academic standing or family relations. In sports, the main goal of the athletes is to show their INDIVIDUAL ability and not collective talent and skills. Their goal is to achieve something for themselves and not merely for their school. There is no such thing as collective talent. Of course, you can always use that slogan of yours. There’s no problem with that, but you can neither deny nor cheat reality that academic bigotry reeks in all schools the UAAP, and the misplaced philosophy of some educators has something to do with this trend. The fundamental message of my article is this: INDIVIDUALISM OVER COLLECTIVISM. Do not take things on faith. It is improper to take things on faith simply because the school, the educators or the state says so.
    I’d like to add the following: “In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of man be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that man’s proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it’s yours.”
    Thank you for your comments. Good premises…

    To those who had to spit invectives and unprintable rants– I don’t want to think you’re all from Ateneo or La Salle…

  121. denver permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Obviously Froilan, you are trying to pass off this article as a ‘so-called’ test.

    First of all, why the one-sided remarks against Ateneo on your article? You posted comments which were pro “Ateneo’ na nilait lait nila and mga taga UE, but you failed to mention the remarks which were for UE. One such remark was this:

    “RED Oct 4
    RED runs in your veins … meaning we are humans … subject to frailty … subject to errors … and ATENEO is NOT EXEMPTED … simple.

    GO UE !!!”

    Now isn’t this a more bigot remark compared to one of our slogans? You may say that this is just one remark compared to what our school would always chant. But then again, why would someone from UE would dare say that they are the blood running through our veins. Wouldn’t it be because this is the mindset that UE has brought upon their students?

    Now take our slogan “Win or Lose; It’s the School WE choose’. This only affirms our belief that we protect our own family. Yes just like everyone else, we do fall down, but that does not mean we leave them out to dry. Yes, we reprimand them, but not within sight. We always would show a strong united front when facing others. Isn’t that suppose to be how families should act? Isn’t that how Filipinos should act? If you call that pro-Nazi, then there must be something wrong the the basic foundation of society.

    Now you may think we drop our fellow Filipinos outside our country just because they did not study in our school. Then you are wrong sir. In fact we would at once stand up for our fellow country men. Why so? Because they are part of our family. Now apply that framework inside our country. That means these petty rivalry is being allowed because it’s within the family. Now imagine applying our slogan with a twist for our country? Diba it’ll be ‘Win or Lose, it’s OUR country WE chose?’

    Forget those philosophical annotations which are so old. Enough of this Hitler crap. I can’t understand why you are using those theoretical concepts that characterizes a lot of old foundations of our society when your articles and former replies are implying we break those foundations that has been established long long ago.

    Have you considered that it is you sir, who is the bigot? I can only imagine your professor’s remark when you pass that article. He would say, that it may be well written because of the many colorful words you used; but it is so one-sided. Isn’t that one of the signs of bigotry? Being one-sided as well as closing your beliefs to others? Think about it.

    And also, aren’t you the one who is being a Nazi? Isipin mo lang. What you are doing is making us quarrel over some petty remark? I say petty because it has been proven time and time again that we may say sarcastic remarks against each other, but in the end, we know we are all Filipinos living in the same piece of land that we call the Philippines. Diba yan ang ginawa ni Hitler? Pinagaway niya ang iba’t ibang groupo ng society then pounce on each one once they are all weakened? Isn’t this what you are trying to show based on what you have written? Freaky right? So who do you think is showing bigotry?

    And at what century did you grow up? Haven’t you realized that each school has its own weakness? It just so happen that some schools are able to do something about their weaknesses while others would just take it for granted? My parents are both accountants from UE during it’s glory days. But even they did not encourage us to study there because there are now other schools which are better. And who do you think put schools such as UP, Ateneo, and DLSU on the pedestal? Isn’t it that it’s the same society who you claim we are stepping on? Yes, it is true that a lot of prominent people sitting on top right now came from schools like UE, MLQU etc. But haven’t you thought that they are old and about to pass the torch? Sino ngayon ang sasalo? Where do you think these people who are next in line graduated from? It’s hard to swallow, even for me. Pero it is the reality as we speak. Go against that and now you become biased.

    I’m not saying that wala nang magandang product ngayon ang mga schools that some would say belong to the ‘others’ There are quite a handful. Honestly, I’m very proud that they are able to excel in spite of the challenges they encountered along the way. You even mentioned Bill Gates who struck gold kahit na he dropped out of school. My boy, that is what we call in ‘matrix’ terms as an abnormality. It’s a wonderful abnormality, but an abnormality just the same. Would you want a world where success is only created by abnormalities? Can you imagine the chaos? That’s why schools are striving hard to excel in order to make sure that those success stories are not just mere abnormalities but a constant result. FYI, even Bill Gates acknowledged that.

    So why do you think people would say mayayabang mga Atenista? Simple, most of those who are saying that are those who were left behind. It’s human nature. And besides, almost all of what we brag about, we can do and have done. Bakit? you think the other schools have not bragged about what they can do and have done in another time? So are you saying that we are all the same? So are all schools showing signs of bigotry? Would you be willing to go against the norms of society with your words alone?

    Let me give you an example. Every time Ateneo and Lasalle would fight it off in UAAP every year, haven’t you heard of what we say to each other? Can’t you see the Araneta Coliseum split in half? But in the end, we always would acknowledge who the victor is. And the winner would always earn the bragging rights for 1 year. So tapos na ba ang laban ng Ateneo/UE for you to make such a generalization? So instead of being a sour grape with your colorful article; wouldn’t it be better to tell UE to prove them wrong and help them do it? Isn’t that a more positive approach? Bakit nung talunan ang Ateneo for a long time, you think we didn’t take a lot of jest and jeers from other schools. We just proved to them in the end that we became better. But we also know that we can be dropped in a heartbeat if we do not continuously work for it?

    Now, go tell UE to bring it. As I told my father a few days ago. Hintaying na lang natin ang laro sa Thursday.

    And as what a True Blue would always say – Win or lose; it’s the school WE choose’

    GO ATENEO!

  122. October 7, 2009 3:38

    it’s sad how some people can just ruin a perfectly good alma mater slogan by picking it apart and reconstructing it through their own prejudiced minds.

    “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” doesn’t mean that other schools aren’t good like what you’re saying…it simply means that at the end of the day, whether the team wins by 1 or loses by 30, we’re still going to be hella proud of our team…Unlike some teams whose coaches walk out on them after a loss…..

    we’ve all got brains…better start using yours before God takes it away….

  123. geez people permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Ateneans, there’s not point arguing with FROILAN.

    As can be seen in his so-called rebuttals to your arguments, he has no new argument to offer. All he does is regurgitate what’s in his blog entry, and then back his points with words from thinkers far more intelligent than he can ever dream to be. He will not properly reply to you and you will not get the answers you want because he has nothing new and enlightening to offer.

    When we ask him to present his answers to points raised by others, he only replies with “You do not deserve my answer”. And if he does answer, it’s to recommend readings to us, written by philosophers. It only shows you don’t own your own thoughts. You preach to us to be individuals, and yet you hide behind these great thinkers. You’re not an individual thinker then. Can’t you formulate your own stand without having to quote someone? Can’t you defend yourself with your own solid point of view?

    You keep regurgitating your replies over and over again. You don’t even consider the answers of others here. Over and over and over again, people have explained to you the meaning of “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose”. And yet you keep repeating this argument, however many times you reword it:

    “It means that no matter your flaws, inability and weaknesses, it’s forgiven because you belong “here.” It means that pride, honor, prestige and self-esteem are automatic and unearned– that when you turn 16 or 17 all you need to do is enroll in ‘your’ university.”

    Look, it’s okay to be wrong once in a while. I’m sure your great idol Ayn Rand, has been told he’s wrong.

    For you to be great, you have to consider other people’s perspectives too. Otherwise, people will just think you’re a smug bastard and won’t listen to what you have to say. Now, isn’t the point of your entry to speak to people and challenge them? Who will listen to you now if you keep antagonizing people? Speak your piece, but do so in a way that you are FAIR and that you RESEARCH WELL while making sure you are RESPECTFUL.

    I’m not denying that Atenean elitists do exist. And that UAAP has begun promoting all the wrong values. I get your blog entry; you just didn’t defend your points well. And you also resorted to ill-formed judgments that you also condemn. You also didn’t receive criticisms well. Paano na yan pag lawyer ka na? Magagalit ka sa client mo if sabihin niya di tama yung pagtanggol mo sa kanya?

    Honestly, all you need is an open mind. Hindi porket iba ang kultura ng mga Atenista, Lasalista, Warrior o kung ano man kaysa sa kultura na kinagisnan mo, hindi ibig sabihin noon, mali na sila.

    P.S. Don’t mind the crude comments on your blog. Those are just asswipes who have nothing better to do. I doubt they even go to college to begin with.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      Firstly, Ayn Rand is she. Secondly, no, I never intend to be great in the eyes of others. I’m not a second-hander. Your main point from first to fourth paragraphs only exists in your mind. You can tell that to your classmates or fellow batch mates. I cannot answer comments that raised the same arguments as the previous commenters. I cannot give my sanction to comments that do not deserve any rational answer (e.g. comments intended to piss me off. I have to tell you, they have no effect at all). I keep on regurgitating my previous replies because most of you refused to understand my point– or in a state of denial. It’s clear enough, and any man of average intellect can grasp it.
      Lastly and honestly, you’ve made no point at all.

      • geez people permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Sorry about that typo. But really did you have to attack that FIRST? Cause if we’re going to make this an issue about typos, let’s have a go at it then.

        All I’m saying is, for someone who’s posturing himself to be a great intellectual, you have a narrow mind. Hindi ka laging tama. Yeah, you do reply, only to say the same thing over and over, never answering anyone’s rebuttal.

        Even if you keep telling us that you don’t intend to be great or to preach, etc. You’re still doing that.

        Open your damn mind.

  124. CHAMPION NA permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Pag nag-champion Ateneo bukas, tatahimik din yang si Mr. Froilan. Woohoo! Bonfire nato!

  125. CHAMPION NA permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Pogi pala tong si Mr. Froilan eh. Nakakabading.

    Woohoo! Bonfire nato!

    http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=froilan+bersamina&init=quick#/froivinber?ref=search&sid=732986055.3968377601..1

  126. Karen permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    Most of the comments written here presented valid arguments….in fact, most of them presented better arguments than your original one which just kept parroting Ayn Rand teachings and other articles you’ve read. But it is you who refuses to understand the arguments of other people because you feel yours is the only correct opinion and that anyone who does not agree with your opinion is stupid; and that your intellect is ultimately superior and you are the only one acting rationally. That is just sheer arrogance. In fact, you have made a mockery of Ayn Rand’s teachings with the amount of arrogance you put into it.

    Actually, I’m also an Ayn Rand fan and I would have joined your Ayn Rand fan club (I’m assuming you started that but correct me if I’m wrong) but I realized from your blog posts that all you are capable of doing is CRITICIZING EVERYTHING and doing mental masturbation….it has no point. I asked my teacher (a core member of an Ayn Rand international group) about that once…he entered teaching (Economics) to make a positive change. What have you done besides criticize and make up a site to feel like you’re better than the rest for knowing Ayn Rand’s philosophy? Among everyone in this discussion, you are the biggest bigot so far.

    READ the other comments (not the crude ones) and understand their arguments. Accept where you are wrong. Because honestly, there are some areas where you make some good points…but a lot where you made FALSE ASSUMPTIONS AND GENERALIZATIONS. Even I myself realized, while studying Ayn Rand, that Ateneo taught us altruism and self sacrifice (“Men for others”). But they also taught us to think for ourselves. In fact, I wouldn’t have been introduced to Ayn Rand if not for my philosophy professor in Ateneo. So excuse me for being proud of my school. You gravely and wrongly disparaged an entire institution with your crooked thinking, narrow-mindedness and arrogance.

    • October 7, 2009 3:38

      I’ve read the comments on this blog and I must say that I was SHOCKED to know HOW MOST ATENEANS and the so-called EDUCATED think these days. I’m not a graduate of any UAAP school and I just stumbled upon this blog in an online forum. Most of you are simply dumb or in state of denial. The author’s argument is simple: that academic bigotry must be rejected in sports, and the actuation and that bigot slogan of Ateneo prove it.

      To Karen: I know you’re a poser and you just googled the name of Ayn Rand. There’s no such thing as Ayn Rand international group. The teachings of Rand and Ateneo’s “men for others” clash against each other. You’re the one who’s narrow-minded and stupid at best. The argument raised here is simple… schools are not supposed to teach stupid ideas to students, and that students must not take things on faith. Dahil ba sinabi ng school na “Win or lose, it’s the school you choose,” naniwala naman kayo that it’s about loyalty to the university. That argument sucks and idiotic at best.
      Most of you are acting like brainwashed bigots who know nothing but stupid things. I cannot believe that’s how low you could get to express your arguments. It’s so cheap and idiotic. It’s just basketball, no need to yell “win or lose, it’s the fucking school you choose.” that just yucky and dreadful! Get some life!

      • Melai permalink
        October 7, 2009 3:38

        Wikipedia’s definition of bigotry:

        A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

        The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.

        “It’s so cheap and idiotic. It’s just basketball, no need to yell “win or lose, it’s the fucking school you choose.” that just yucky and dreadful! Get some life!” – WALANG PAKI

        How’s that for bigotry?

      • Angel permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        No Ayn Rand international group? What do you call this then?

        http://www.aynrand.org

      • Silangan permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

        hahaha!… PAWNED!!!!

      • Alvin permalink
        November 25, 2009 3:38

        hay hay hay, bobo nanaman!! panis!

  127. October 7, 2009 3:38

    Thanks to the author of this blog whoever he is. Di ko akalain bobo at puro yabang lang pala mga taga-ateneo. Can’t believe YOU’RE ALL OWNED by ONE MAN! Wow! Ganyan pala kakitid mga utak niyo! How many time should he repeat his argument and how many times would you try to ignore his points? Or most of you are just in STATE OF DENIAL or just simply dumb!
    It’s simple, basketball is not about bigotry… and it’s plain and clear, no matter how you DENY it, that so bigot slogan of yours and your actuation and behavior show your epic bigotry!
    Again, you guys are all OWNED!!!

    • 17 Pieces permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      No. How many times do we have to repeat our refutation before he gives it a proper answer?

      I, for one, concede most of his points on academic bigotry. But accusing an innocent declaration of loyalty to the school as a manifestation of bigotry is not only fallacious, it is unfair because it perpetuates the stereotype against Atenean students. Write an article criticizing bigotry while displaying a clear bias against certain schools–isn’t that a little self-contradictory?

      We have brought that point up, and still have yet to receive a proper answer other than “read Ayn Rand, you’ll understand”. It’s like the man can’t stand without his books. Besides, why the hell should he know more about our slogan than we do?

    • 17 Pieces permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      Furthermore, he makes an accusation against an institution that he has yet to prove. As any law student should know, the burden of proof falls on the accuser! Which is something you seem to have missed out, too. I dare you to give me solid evidence that our school, as an institution, is bigoted. No. The actions of a few bad eggs do not count. Neither do the posts of anonymous jackasses who may or may not be from Ateneo.

      Well?

  128. October 7, 2009 3:38

    You’re right, NCAA schooler… these guys are all FUCKING OWNED by one man! Karamihan sa mga nag-comment dito puro mura lang at mga walang saysay ang sinasabi. Mga bastos pa ‘yung iba. It’s amusing to observe that Mr. author is to keep his cool.

    • 17 Pieces permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      It’s even more amusing to note that he has yet to give a proper refutation to our refutation of his interpretation of our slogan. Granted, there are people who posted rude comments, but contrary to your assertion that they are the vast majority, many of the commenters were actually respectful, open to dialogue, and raised good points. Yet, he refuses to actually address these points, instead stubbornly pushing on with his misconstruction of the slogan that we already have challenged without giving a proper refutation. He even went as far as to say to one of them, “You don’t deserve my answer.” Something tells me that he just doesn’t have a proper one and thus stubbornly clings on to the little that remains of his demolished point.

  129. Paul E. permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    I am an Atenean, and admittedly I have head a lot of jeers against my beloved alma mater where I had studied for the majority of early years. Pero so totoo lang, sumasakit ang ulo ko sa article mo, hindi dahil sa soundness ng arguments mo but more because of the lack of it. You are simply asking from trouble from a lot of people, pro and anti ateneo alike. What you have now created is a long thread of – to use the term loosely – bigot statements. So as much as I would like to spill energy trying to defend our school, or its sayings, or its chants, or to expose the errors in your logic and ultimately breakdown your whole article, may I suggest the one thing bigots (like you) hate, tolerance. Hindi lahat ng atenista ay elitista at mapanlait, lahat naman ng pamantasan may makikita akang ganun, mapa-“sosyal” man o hindi ito. And to simply generalize our school chant as a cry of “racism” or “racism” and to generalize all ateneans as snobs, elitists, etc., is tantamount to the Lupang Hinirang being a cry of pinoy-centrism (excuse my coin). So my advice to all of you, tigilan na ito dahil may mga nasasalanta pa ng bagyo na kilangan ng tulong ninyo, otherwise take a chill pill. Cheers!

    Paul E.
    ’04 AB Pol Sci

    PS. I still cannot believe na pinatulan ko to.

  130. Miko Ganti permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    hindi ako atenista at wala akong balak ipagtanggol sila. pero grabe sa lahat ng blogs na nakita ko isa lang ang masasabi ko sa mga nasulat mo… nagpapaka-intellectual ka…. hahahahahaha… alam mo ang sabi sa akin ng tatay ko… hindi sa mahahalimuyak na salita nakikita ang katalinuhan ng tao kundi sa kakayahan ng iba na makuha ang iyong ipinanahiwatig sa pinakakaunting mga bigkas. bow.

  131. back2back permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    The Ateneo is not an institution that broods bigotry.
    It is true that some Ateneans indulge in “academic bigotry” but it would be incorrect to conclude that the school preaches this. You certainly don’t know anything about the Ateneo. Bigots like me would still be bigots no matter what school we attended. I’d still be like this if I went to DLSU or UE even! You dare call others bigots but if you were an Atenean, you’d be exactly like the people you despise. We all know that this blog stems from all those years of bitterness after the Ateneo rejected you. How’s that for bigotry?

  132. Karen permalink
    October 7, 2009 3:38

    @Walang Paki – READ first before commenting. I didn’t say there is AN International Ayn Rand Group. I said my teacher is part of an international Ayn Rand group. There ARE a lot of Ayn Rand groups in the world and some of them are international in scope. And I DID say that the “Men for others” teaching clashes with Ayn Rand’s teachings of selfishness as a virtue. That is why I said Ateneo has taught us not just to accept any principle or ideology blindly but to explore others as well and choose to believe what we want. They may teach us the “Men for others” mantra but they let us explore other philosophies as well.

    I think there is no longer any point in spurring an intellectual debate in this blog site. Because nobody is listening to anybody else.

    Mr. Bersamina sure does raise good points. And we have to admit that he is a smart fellow (Nobody ever said Ateneo has a monopoly on intelligence). But he needs to realize that he can not just attack something without fully understanding it. The way he presented his argument is unfair to some extent. He criticized a slogan that he doesn’t even fully understand. Why is he a better judge of the slogan’s message and intent or a school’s way of teaching than the people who are actually part of the institution? And lastly, do not take the act of the individual students as the act of the entire institution. He could have presented his argument better if he did not resort to unfairly disparaging specific institutions.

  133. Vince permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    I don’t see where some of you who commented read that the author placed a sweeping generalization on all Ateneans. I see how the author is disapproving of the idiotic rants (I think we can all agree to this, being reasonable folks), but please direct me where in the post the author said that *all* Ateneans are bigots.

    • Merry Christmas permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      It was not explicitly said, rather, it was heavily implied.

      “It is never the role of academic institutions to turn young people into bigots or to mold them into a gang of irrationals. Schools are supposed to teach them how to think rationally— to preach the primacy of reason over faith, tolerance over bigotry.”

      “These academic bigots must be reminded that school does not define man’s future and destiny. The main role of education is to teach students how to live their lives—by developing their mind and equipping them to deal with reality. The school that teaches its students to take things on faith and to regard pride and self-esteem as an external phenomenon is the par excellence of an evil educational institution.”

      I may have been interpreting this article wrongly though. However, I resent the implication that the Ateneo is an “evil educational institution” that produces “academic bigots”. It reminds me of the time when people were labelling Ateneans “cult worshippers” because of the bonfire incident. Those people even went as far as questioning what kind of rituals the Jesuits teach Ateneo students.

      The Ateneo as an academic institution should not be judged based on a few banners/internet comments/*insert others here*. I just hope that Mr. Bersamina will stop making such assumptions on the Ateneo just because of the actions of a few members of the community.

  134. guess i'm a bigot too. permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    The cheer “win or lose its the school we choose” is is a bigoted cheer.
    Ateneans cheer “win or lose its the school we choose” after every game.

    Therefore, all Ateneans (past, present, future, faculty, staff) are academic bigots.

  135. October 8, 2009 3:38

    OA. Yun lang.

  136. Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    All right, Mr. Bersamina. We’ve all heard your theoria (no matter how inane it might seem). Okay. What do you suggest now for praxis? You thought of the problem, maybe you’ve got a solution.

  137. Anna permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    To the author, I think that you simply misinterpreted what that slogan meant.

    Things can mean different things to different people. If you just can’t see it the way it was originally intended to mean, then we can’t do anything about that nor can we force you into seeing it the right way.

  138. fray torquemada permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    I’m really disappointed by your piece Mr. Bersamina not because you hurt my feelings as an Ateneo alumnus, but because you’ve done a grave injustice to one of my heroes Ayn Rand. Your usage of individualism versus collectivist thought is not quite applicable in this instance. Your argument is simply fraught with unfounded assumptions, spotty premises, and reeks of emotion. Ahhh emotion–a trait that should be residually present in any Randian-type discourse. Your over-flowing disgust of a single line in the Ateneo hymn displays not the intellectual sophistication of a libertarian-conservative but of a sophomoric amateur (wanna-be) philosopher. For the love of Mary (no pun intended), it’s merely a battle song line for some good time school spirit…and that school spirit is 99% of the time in the context of athletic competition. The Jesuit Fathers would have wished different–maybe along the lines of social justice. To equate the line with the more brutish sieg heil! or Deutchland Deutchland Uber Alles is being melodramatic. Sometimes school spirit is just that — school spirit. It is no different from the capitalist-driven football programs of Notre Dame, University of Michigan, or Ohio State.

    It’s so sad how a one-liner and few snarky remarks from a few cyber-hooligans made you generalize that Ateneo is some nazi-type goose-stepping institution. The fact is you don’t have the slightest clue. As much as this school tries to inculcate the “Jesus attributes” to its students, it is as diverse as you can possibly imagine. Even with all its Catholic and Jesuit trappings, it is still a university that allows for a strong measure of independent/individual thought. Although I have to agree that there is a more left-wing slant in my old school — but that’s an issue that cuts across almost universities all over the world–unless you’re studying at Hillsdale College. And besides, I know many of the Ateneo graduates end up being Rand practitioners themselves (some of them don’t even know that they are) later on in life. Win or lose is the school we choose is not really different from a raving BOSOX fan who’s screaming foul at the Yankees. At the end of the day, it is a mere silly product of the game…and shouldn’t drive people into writing amateurish philosophical discourse and wasting precious bandwidth.

    If you are really a true objectivist/libertarian/individualist pick the right important battles for the love of Ayn Rand and Ron Paul….you can do better than attacking a school song –you silly goose!

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      You raised some interesting point, sir. I’m not educated here in the Philippines and I have to say that Ms Rand is my favorite author. However, I think you raised a number of invalid points here. To a genuine Ayn Rand fan, the use of Randian is improper, since the author herself never endorsed the use of such term. It’s Objectivism. But that’s just Ok, it’s not a big deal. But I have to tell you that I have encountered a lot of people who exploited “I’m-a-fan-of-Ayn-Rand” as a line of defense, but it’s OK, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Another point is that Ayn Rand neither endorsed nor recommend libertarianism. In fact she even denounced libertarianism as a group that plagiarized or exploited her ideas without giving her a due credit.
      I understand your disappointment, but I understand the author’s point as well. As a hard-core Rand fan, I agree that the author raised valid points. I must say that he LIVES BEYOND HIS TIME. Most of you don’t understand the premise he made because of the kind of educational construct that you consciously or unconsciously embrace. I don’t agree that he made a big deal of your school’s slogan. He just used it as a material to raise his point, and he justified it well… very well. The Nazi-type accusation he adduced is proper, since as the author put it well, the message of his blog is individualism versus collectivism. You have the right to defend your school, but your point, I think, is wrought with a number flaws. In the United States, I’ve never seen or heard any banner or slogan like that. To me, it’s reeks a stench of bigotry. Others understand it, and it’s understandable that most folks from your school refused to accept it or as one commenter said, they’re in state of denial.
      The author is brave enough to stand by his argument. He’s courageous enough to point some of the flaws of your school. Is it the first time you heard of or saw such a strong statement? Blame the self-education that he went through. I agree wholeheartedly, based on what I saw here, that it is the so-called elite educational institutions which are the worst enemy of your country.

      • fray torquemada permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        John you are being nitpicky but I’ll roll with the punches and I’m not going to take your “correction” negatively. I think I did mention the word objectivist towards the end. “Randian” is indeed profane among objectivists, but who’s to beat me up? — the objectivist police?…now that would be irony at its pinnacle. As for libertarians and objectivists…well, hard-line objectivists are quite territorial and zealously proprietary. I’m not into the inner squabbles of technicalities between the two factions. In a Venn Diagram, Idefinitely reside within the confines of both. At the end of the day, Individualism runs in both schools of thought. That’s all that matters. As I mentioned earlier, Rand is just one of my heroes. A reasonable person cannot subscribe 100% to anything…whether it be for Friedman, Ron Paul, Thomas Sowell, or in this case, Ayn Rand. Even Ayn Rand had inconsistencies in her position. Take for example the U.S. military — she viewed it positively. It is not the Wermacht but it smacks heavy of collectivist thought and praxis– how about that for inconsistency? However, we do know as long as it’s serving the “higher good” that is individual rights then it passes the objectivist muster.

        So what I’m saying is the bigger picture is essential. The author was missing it. First, he doesn’t really know enough about the school and its faculty and students. Second, collegiate basketball games always engender intense emotions. Third, even with all the supposed “brainwashing” by this creepy evil university, it still didn’t produce an army of goose stepping brown shirts. Instead, it produced mostly enterpreneurs (at least in more recent memory). When I was in the U.S. Army, I was with the 4th Infantry Division and our battalion used to holler “Death Before Dishonor”. At first glance, that it’s even worse than Win or lose, it’s the school we choose…besides we were in the business of killing people…but that didn’t turn me into a mindless killing machine. As I’ve said, the author was being dramatic. He may be perceived as brave by some…but at the very least, it wasn’t a very intelligent application of objectivist thought. In fact, the whole tone of his discourse is very emotional. I wonder why?
        You did mention that you didn’t study in the Philippines and so did the author. I did and thus, I have the advantage of both context and milieu/cultural understanding. It is true that some the elitist values are grown like petri dishes in some of the universities, but pursuing the argument on academic bigotry along this line absolves the deniers of personal responsibility and insults the myriads of independent thinking individuals who never bought into the collectivist agenda from the start or eventually weaned out of it.
        Look I’m not defending my school. I do love to cheer for my alma mater in basketball games like I love to cheer for the Lakers and the Yankees. I just hope the author starts using Ayn Rand in the real fights like obamacare,corporate welfare, taxation, deification of Obama.

  139. Sammy "the Bull" Gravano permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Pretty interesting article we have here. I actually encountered the link to this blog in our school forum site. By the way, I am from the school that dons the Green and White colors.

    From what I understand, the main message of this article is about how “school pride” has crossed the line. In defense of the author, he did bring up a handful of valid points, and he was able to defend them as well. But at the same time, I do understand where my blue counterparts are coming from.

    Here are the best answers I read so far. Kudos to both of you.

    First one is from Mr./Ms. An Atenean. It reads:

    ————-
    “Insults are insults. Whether it’s “an arrogant Atenean”, “a poor UE student”, or “a dumb La Sallian”. Your school can AND WILL BE insulted in the course of the game.”
    ————-

    Just like how elbows and rough play are part of the game of basketball, part of being a student/supporter/fan/follower of each school are the insults hurled at one another. What I admire about the La Salle-Ateneo rivalry is that we may be bitter enemies on the court, but we do have a level of respect for one another outside. These insults add a little spice to the game. Yes, it does step over the concept of school pride, but I believe that these should be taken with a grain of salt. Besides, basketball only takes up about 10% of our lives. You may be the biggest A-hole inside that coliseum, but once you get out, you leave everything behind (although a minority may take it a little personally). After a game, whether it ends in a win or a loss in your favor, life goes on.

    Another is by Mr./Ms. Natrium. It reads:

    ———————-
    Ask any Atenean, and the answer is even if we lose, even if we SUCK at playing basketball, even if, one day, aliens take over the Philippines and Ateneo is reduced to a dumpsite, we will still choose to be Ateneans, because, as the next line of our alma mater states “this is the place where we belong.” It’s simply a display of loyalty to the school we chose, to the institution which, simply put, taught us all we know.
    ———————-

    Amen. This goes for us in the green side as well. No matter what people say about us or our institution, we will still choose to be La Sallians, no matter what. Even if the school itself has some flaws in its system sometimes, at the end of the day, you will still have that undying love for it. If someone ever asks me to describe La Salle in one word, I’d say “Home”. That’s just how it is. You have this sense of pride about where you came from, and I think that’s an innate trait in us Filipinos. We still continue to fight and be proud for our country despite its fucked up state, don’t we?

    Having said these, I guess what I’m driving at here goes back to the main point raised by the author. Sir, you said that “Academic bigotry does not belong in sports”. Yes, I agree with you. 100% on that. But what exactly falls under academic bigotry? The insults? The crass remarks hurled at one another during the heated moments of the games? I’m afraid there’s really nothing we can do about it. If one would want these things off the face of collegiate basketball, the only effective action will be abolishing the sport itself. These have been a part of the game for generations now, way before many of us here were born. It has been a tradition that runs deep within the blood stream of college basketball in the Philippines. Wanting it all gone is pretty much moving mountains already.

    • October 9, 2009 3:38

      amen man…..i like the part about it being part of tradition but yes, after all the insults,after all the jeers…after the game, ateneans still clap for the opposing side whether they be La Salle or whatever school….there’s the certain respect that can only be gained after so many hard fought battles and I guess that’s where the school pride kicks in

      I am proud to be an atenean even if we become last place or whatever in the UAAP…I’m guessing the author didn’t pass a lot of entrance tests and is taking it out on the schools who show “academic bigotry” but whatever…..

  140. Janhette permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    stereotype sa Ateneans eh mayayabang at feeling the best.
    sa mga lasallians eh bobo.

    but it’s just a stereotype. =)

  141. Paking Shit ka! permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    @Author asshole

    Wow slogan palang mali na eh, tsaka ano masama kung sasabihin ang “Win or Lose it’s the school WE hindi YOU choose”. What’s wrong with expressing that no matter what happens we still love our school in its worse and at its best? Again this over-sensationalized and exaggerated excuse of a blog-post bent on bashing.

    I ‘m not mad i just find this amusing and annoying at the same time that people have time to say stupid things without even thinking it through and being too emotional about it😉

  142. October 8, 2009 3:38

    If I were the author I would stop answering all of the comments they made. They never raised any valid point. It’s just plain denial. Plain denial do not deserve any rational answer. Kaya Froilan, ‘wag mo na silang patulan. Galit lang sila kasi ngayon lang may naglakas ng loob na ipaalam sa kanila kung anong problema nila. Anyway, I salute you for courageously standing by your position and for giving these folks the dose of their own medicine.

    • Proud to be an Atenean! permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      So Myrna, you are validating the kid’s point that he is indeed saying that Ateneans are bigots? So you are making Froilan a liar. Kasi he is saying that hindi lang naman daw Ateneo ang ganoon.

      And what problem are you talking about? That we are proud of our school and our family? Baka naman ang problem is he is making mountains out of anthills? Or he is just a sore loser who just cant take those petty remarks we all make of each other’s schools. Baka naman guilty siya kasi.

      In the end, he just showed who he really is. A sore loser. Mali, A one-sided SORE LOSER!

      So I do believe you should help him get out of UE na kasi based on his beliefs, he should. Maybe you should too if you support his pragmatic intuitions

      And yes we do deserve our own medicine! The medicine of pride, unity, and victory through hard work!

  143. Kris permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    I notice that a lot of people just love “targeting” Ateneo/Ateneans in so many different ways. But honestly, things like these just makes us come together even more and further reflect on what makes us proud to be Ateneans. Because we know and have experienced first-hand what this institution have taught us.

    And for starters, it’s definitely NOT anti-reason and bigotry.

  144. May permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Go shoot down 150 years of tradition and excellence by a twisted philosophical discussion based on a mere over-analyzed slogan.

  145. Mr. J permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.”
    FVdB, it’s obvious that you’re over analyzing our slogan. Can’t you simply understand that it just says that we’re proud of our school, and we would never be ashamed if ever we wind up losing or being trashed. Ateneans are proud not because we’re wealthy or elitists. We’re proud because of the values and the lessons that were imparted to us by our alma mater. We’re proud because of so many things, things that you never cared to think about. You’re focusing on the negative side of things, not taking the time to read between the lines.
    I’m an Atenean and I’m proud to be one. Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.
    And btw i have close friends in DLSU, UST and UE. After all this ruckus, our friendships remain the same and you know what, we still favor our own respective schools.

  146. October 8, 2009 3:38

    To fray torquemada:

    Consider it my final response. You said: “Even Ayn Rand had inconsistencies in her position. Take for example the U.S. military — she viewed it positively.”
    But of course. Her philosophy of Objectivism is anti-government intervention and pro-capitalism. As what she said, the only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But let’s not focus on this matter.
    Your first, second and third points were sufficiently addressed by the author. To summarize, it is improper to an institution of learning and of reason to preach faith-based dogmatism. I think you missed something, and this is what the author would like to establish. I observe that he did not mainly focus on your slogan. It appears that most of the previous commenters forced him to expound his statement on that slogan. To my observation, it is not the intention of the author to make a big deal about such as mantra, as he calls it.
    The main issue here is faith over reason– individualism versus collectivism. I strongly believe that HE LIVES BEYOND HIS TIME, and I fully understand that most of you couldn’t just grasp his message. His intention is not to desecrate your school. His intention is to expose the evil of altruism, self-sacrifice and dogmatism that your school preaches. To me, the Jesuits are the worst of all of Catholic educators. They have socialist tendencies and their philosophy is dangerous not only to young people’s minds, but also to your country as a whole.
    The author was able to define the meanings of pride and self-esteem, and there’s no need to restate them here. Also, I understand all your disappointment because it appears that this is the only man who courageously gave a picture of what’s wrong with your country’s educational system. I know what he’s driving at, and I’m not surprised if you also consider him a bigot as well because of his harsh statements. Sometimes, it takes to use harsh words to let some people know their philosophical flaws… If I were a Filipino citizen, I would also do the same thing.

  147. dugong bughaw permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    we just won the 3rd game. and bigot or not, we won’t stop claiming that win OR lose, it is indeed the school we choose.🙂 school spirit, GO ATENEO!

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      Well, Congrats! It’s a well deserved win!

      • Lia Benitez permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        I believe you have overanalyzed the slogan. Funny how certain insecurities came up with your comments. At least that’s how I see it. Simpleng English, mahirap bang maintindihan yun?
        You blew this whole thing out of proportion.

        You won’t succeed in trying to intellectualize something by using baseless assumptions. When I read your article, top of mind reaction is… ANO BAAA??? Ang OA ha. Sana man lang your quotations were appropriate.

        And please, the forum entries you quoted, who the hell knows if those are really Ateneans. Your attempt to bash Ateneans only shows what kind of an individual you are. Oh please, do not make hasty generalizations and opinions on things if you don’t understand them fully. A vague understanding of something is not enough for you to create schools of thought you’d like to propagate.

  148. Hahaha. permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    You really know a lot, but I you don’t understand their feelings. Tsktsk.

  149. Hahaha. permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    **but I think

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      I do. I do understand how they (and you) feel and don’t ask me how I feel about it. I’m at Blizzard in Gateway right now and I can see your fellow Ateneans (I guess) celebrating their victory. Like what I said, you deserved it. Win or lose, I will write blogs. Writing is my passion and its PERSONAL in nature.

      • Una Garcia permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        WHAT THE…THIS ARTICLE IS SIMPLY APPALLING.

        Word of advice: Focus on your content. Although blogs are personal in nature, you know very well that it’s published for other people to read. You can be opinionated without bashing others. Especially when your reasons for doing so are rooted from the fact that you lack understanding of certain things.

        I respect your opinion but I feel the need for you to recheck if you do understand what you’re saying. If you look back, your opinionated article contains (bleep) assumptions rooted from shallow bitterness and narrow-mindedness.

      • dragonboy8671 permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        That is correct. Writing is personal. But you choose to publish your writings (that judge people and institutions) on an avenue that is VERY public and accessible.

        Brace yourself for opposing views and be ready to defend your points well.

  150. October 8, 2009 3:38

    Lia Benitez:

    As much as I would like to repeat my arguments here, I believe I’m not called upon to convince a herd in state of denial, or ignoramus, or brainwashed. Is it OA? I think most of the responses are more OA. I did not focus on that slogan of yours which i described as bigot. Like one commenter stated here, some of my critics appear to be ignoramus, and I think I don’t have to expound on this matter. I made my final statement and it’s not my job to convince you all. “A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same group — and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his school diploma.” Did I single out Ateneo? No. Check your premises…

  151. Ryan permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    I agree with some of your points, and disagree with some.

    You are looking at the “Win or Lose, it’s the school we choose” negatively – it simply implies that whether we win or lose, we will still be one unit, one organization, one school, and to some extent – one family.

    In lieu of this, I believe that this “mantra” you call is more for solidarity instead of elitism. Though, of course, many Ateneans are indeed elitists because of the name of their school. Everyone just wants to be unique, I guess, and this selfish desire to be unique is what others perceive as elitism.

    We are all elitist to some extent. Don’t deny it.

    Though I agree with your point that schools should instead foster students to grow and develop how to live their lives. However, I must look at the so-called bigotry rooted in the UAAP as also a chance for students to develop themselves. Why? The world is not all fun and games and not all nice people, sometimes, (or most of the time) words are effective weapons. Call it bigotry, call it elitism, but I can call it ‘training.’

    Nice thread, by the way🙂

  152. kwangulastic permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    let’s take a quick look at the El Filibusterismo written by an Atenean. In chapters 11 to 13 we how bias the author is he even dressed his main character in blue, the school colors. In chapter 12 we see how the author describes students from different universities. In the end the Atenean came out the best of all the students. We also see how the different orders envy or hate the Jesuits.
    Bigot? Passion? Or whatever, the author was hailed all over the world.

    -wala lang..

  153. Anonymous permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Mali naman pagkakaintindi mo sa “Win or lose it’s the school we choose”.

    Wala namang Atenista ang nagsabing sila lang ang magaling na nilalang sa buong mundo.

    Ikaw kaya yung makitid ang utak dyan. Ikaw gumagawa ng “ACADEMIC BIGOTRY” issue na yan e.

    Bago ka manghusga siguraduhin mo munang tama yung mga sinusumbat mo. Ikaw lang mapapahiya.

  154. biogeek permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Hopefully, huli na ‘to para sa akin.

    Save from some few responses that were really not helpful, I applaud you Mr. Bersamina for ruffling quite a lot of feathers and for making people think and re-think, which in my opinion was and is the best positive result of your blog. It made lots of Ateneans, and even non-ateneans think about each and everyone’s individual identity versus the ‘Atenean/ La Sallian/ Thomasian, PUP-ian… Ideal Person’. At some point, it even made me think about the separation of me versus the ‘Filipino me’, which is in itself, quite radical and I think, at some levels beyond our times. I also have a hunch that a number of people went to know Ayn Rand and her radical philosophy, radical here being a personal opinion.
    I understood a ‘whisker’ of your point more after reading one of your lenghtier replies (and not those copy-pasted ones, which were just creating loops): about achivement not being fueled by being part of a collective ideology (such as being part of a school), but fueled by an individual goal of being the best. Although really vague and almost non sequitur at first, I finally got what you are implying when you connected the Nazi Ideologies with your interpretation of the ‘Win or Lose, It’s the school we choose’ (the interpretation, I still highly contest). As a person who studied in Ateneo, I admit that there are SOME ateneans who think that they are the ubermensch of the society by being in Ateneo (which also implies the likely possibility of being in the upper tiers of the economic strata– being priveleged I would say in ALMOST every sense of the word [I believe that we cannot ever achieve, with our facticity and situatedness the fullness of being priveleged- sorry Marcelian way of discourse –> maligoy :D]). This unfortunate way of thinking perpetuates in other universities (‘UP ako, ikaw?’ ‘Green Blooded’ ‘xxx is the best!’ ), other institutions (I am a member of of So and So religious sect, so I’ll be saved… ) and even in the littlest habits of our existence (Filipino ako kaya hindi ako mabaho.., I know Ayn Rand so I know better/ so I am ahead of the times). I’ve witnessed these things a lot of times, and admitedly have been a part of the ‘Ubermenschen ‘ in its various facets at some times.

    In a sense, I know where are you coming from: you are an Individualist and you oppose collectivism, so you would criticize institutions that promote collective, ‘bee-hive’ mentality, citing the horrors of Nazi to prove the ‘evils’ of collectivism. In addition, the prevalence of this collective thinking is further stressed by the barrage of Ateneans, and then university-learned people, stressing the same argument, over and over again (And you got your collective action there). And I do believe, that being a staunch individualist, you will not budge.
    I do believe that at some point, you’re just showing-off, proving that we are ignorant ‘bee-hivers’ and ‘I know better, nyeh nyeh’, and not really explaining your point. I also found it ridiculous that you suddenly said that the blog was personal in nature (which is jusy like saying: “This is just my opinion, so what the hell to all of you”), when I found your post and most of all replies, intellectual at most parts.
    I am not an individualist obviously, for I believe that every man is situated in universe wherein he/she cannot deny himself/herself of the existence of the Other, and the structures that are borne out of these interactions. While collective thinking may be harmful to the individual’s self-realization, in the end I believe that it is how we individually move through and with this ‘organic’, transhistorical existence, whether in synch or not, that we come to define ourselves. And mind you, not all collective thought is evil, although I think that you already know that.
    I don’t have a brand for myself. You may call me a ‘compromisist’ or whatever- I guess I am and we are all beyond brands.
    You may ignore what I have here, given your individualist nature, but may it not limit you into seeing the merits of some arguments here, and seeing… how infinite life is (sorry for the life talk).
    And a little humility will help. Not only for you, but for all of us engaging in this discourse.

    PS. We won. Yehey. Thank you for the cheer, and putting my little philosophy on practice. Oo nga pala. How do individualist put ‘individualism’ into practice, beyond the individual? Just curious.

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      Congrats and I appreciate your comment. —->>>> https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/update-the-philosophy-of-academic-bigotry/ .Regarding your query I have to say I’m humbled. I have talked about this in one of my blogs written about a year or two ago –> https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/individualism-versus-collectivism/ . You asked me “How do individualist put ‘individualism’ into practice, beyond the individual?” You mean to say how does man practice individualism? In practice I believe that ego exists, and this is the source of your understanding of self-esteem and pride, including other important abstractions. However, such an ego must come from your objective understanding of reality, as well as your honest understanding of human achievement. You go by reason, not faith. Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by your senses. It is immoral for man of ego and self-esteem to take things on faith.
      A man of ego has pride and self-esteem. He is the individual– the one who thinks on his own, who never asks for the help of others, and who never relies on the pity or charity of other people… It means he is primarily motivated by his desire to achieve, not by his desire to beat others.
      Now, is there any economic or political equivalent of individualism in the real world? There is, and this is system of capitalism. I have talked about why capitalism is the only system that can save this country. In a true capitalist society, the individual is the one who produces or who works for the producer for compensation. This is to say that we are not a capitalist country, but a mixed economy.
      Why is capitalism the economic and political tool of individualism? Because it is the only economic system that is consistent with man’s rights– his right to life liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. Ayn Rand made a good explanation on this matter. It means that a true capitalist country is spared by government intervention, and the proper function of a government are: police to maintain peace and order, law courts to settle disputes, the army to defend the state from invasion or rebellion. Taxes continue to rise because of excessive government spending in its welfare state projects. I explained this in my blog entitled Why is Text Tax the Philippines’ Gateway to Hell?.
      An individual of self-esteem and pride is not a second-hander, or one who wants to be great in the eyes of others, like Mikey Arroyo and most politicians. You don’t care what other people tell about you so long as you know you’re right. Their only weapon against you is laughter… You only rely on your ability. Now I’m referring to real capitalists who don’t rely on government subsidies, political connections, and the help of moochers-by-law and looters-by-law.
      Do you think Mike Defensor who received government help for his mining companies is a real capitalist? Hell no! He’s a crony. I think one cannot practice individualism beyond the individual. It does not mean you exclude yourself from society. Collectivism is a system that subjugates the individual to a collective. It preaches the sacrifice of the strong to the weak for the sake of the common good. Now take Obama’s health care reform as an example and the 2 to 7 trillion dollar bailout of ailing banks and companies at the disadvantage of the tax payers. In regard to this matter, the money will not directly come from taxpayers– it will be printed by the Federal Reserve that prints money out of nothing. This will eventually cause inflation. This monetarist and keynesian system is actually taught or endorsed by educators from Harvard U.
      In individualism, the individual must not sacrifice his life to others, nor ask others to sacrifice theirs to his. I can only suggest the following books to better understand individualism: Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged (all by Ayn Rand).

      • biogeek permalink
        October 12, 2009 3:38

        What I mean is, is there a ‘social’ component in Individualism? In addition, what if a hypothetical society promotes Individualism as a philosophy/ way of life? Will the ideology fall into a paradox? Again, just curious. I’m trying to read the supplementary blog but it’s quite long for comfort.

      • October 12, 2009 3:38

        Biogeek, I’d like to tell you that there’s no such thing as society… it’s all of us. That which most people call a society is a composition of individuals of different economic status and level of intellect and driven by diverse beliefs, convictions, and goals in life. Men must interact with each other as a human being according to objective rational principles and moral standards. A society is composed of individuals– it is not a living entity. It has no rights, values or conscience like a human being. There is no such thing as society that “promotes individualism.” As I said, the standard of value of a state is the individual, not a society, and every individual must take self-interest as his ethics.
        Observe that in every society (composed of individuals of different economic status, understanding of reality, behavior, intellect, purpose and beliefs) the common code of morality is altruism. It is impossible for a society to promote the ideals of individualism, and if there were such a very rare, very impossible occurrence, what code of morality of individualism would it promote and what would be its purpose? In my latest blog entitled Self-interest versus Altruism (https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/ ), I discussed that man’s ethics is self-interest, his metaphysics is objective reality (that reality exists), his epistemology is reason, and his politics is capitalism. It is important to understand that contradictions cannot exist. Your code of morality must not contradict your understanding of reality. For instance, you can’t run a business with altruism as your code of morality. A president can’t save the economy through government spending, too much regulations and interference into the economy and printing money out of thin air. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
        A society that promotes individualism is a contradiction at best. However, I must warn you that several philosophers like Nietzsche are “fake” individualists. It is disappointing to note that even those in the academe have been sold to this evil lie that Nietzsche was an individualist. Philosophically, Nietzsche is a mystic and an irrationalist. His metaphysics consists of a somewhat “Byronic” and mystically “malevolent” universe; his epistemology subordinates reason to “will,” or feeling or instinct or blood or innate virtues of character. This is the reason why the father of racist and bigot Nazi Germany is Nietzsche and Hegel.
        Thus, individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members.

  155. MGA JOLOGS permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

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  156. Chenelyn permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    “WIN or lose, it’s the school we choose!” What does this bigot slogan mean?”

    DYAN PA LANG BIASED KA NA. NILABEL MO NA KAGAD NA BIGOT YUNG SLOGAN. IKAW PALA MAY PROBLEMA EH.

    “It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates.”

    WHAT A ****** ASSUMPTION FROM A SIMPLE SLOGAN. SAN NAMAN NANGGALING ANG 99% OF FILIPINOS NA STAT HA??? MAY AS PART OF THE HUMAN RACE PA. OH PLEASE.

    “It means that men of ability like Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Chief Justice Renato Puno, and many great Filipinos who did not graduate from Ateneo are nothing. It means that greatness and prestige are something that is automatic, unearned, anointed or decreed. No argument is possible for this kind of pathetic thinking.”

    WOW, BAKA YOU MEAN, NO ARGUMENT IS POSSIBLE FOR “YOUR” KIND OF PATHETIC THINKING. (WELL, THERE IS A POSSIBLE ARGUMENT YOU MAY SAY AND THAT IS, OPINION MO NAMAN YAN. SABAGAY, PAG HINDI MO KAYA SUPORTAHAN ANG MGA ASSUMPTIONS SA ISANG BAGAY, YUN TALAGA PINAKAMADALING PALUSOT — NA PERSONAL OPINION YAN.) WELL, PUWEDE NAMAN TAYO MAGBIGAY NG OPINION NA CONSIDERATE PA RIN OF OTHERS. MAY KARAPATAN KA LANG MAGING DIREKTA, KUNG MAY DIREKTA KANG EBIDENSYA. HINDI KATHANG-ISIP LANG.
    YOU MADE THE BASELESS CLAIM. WHEN IN FACT, ANG IBIG SABIHIN LANG NG SLOGAN, MANALO, MATALO, SA ATENEO PA RIN KAMI KAKAMPI. EH MALAMANG YUN YUNG GUSTO IPARATING NUNG MGA ATENISTA. EH KUNG AKO SA ESKUWELAHAN KO, GANUN DIN. MANALO, MATALO, DI AKO KAKAMPI SA KALABAN. HUWAG MONG IDAMAY ANG SLOGAN NA YAN KUNG GUSTO MO PAG-USAPAN ANG BIGOTRY!

    AT YUNG MGA “TUITION NYO BAON KO LANG” LINES, DI NAMAN LIMITED YAN TO ATENEO-UE. SUS, LAOS NA YAN. LA SALLE AT UP GINAMIT NA RIN YAN. MERON PA NGANG, FINALS NYO, QUIZ LANG NAMIN BETWEEN OTHER UNIVERSITIES. DI NA MAAALIS YAN. SA SUSUNOD, IF YOU WANT TO PROVE A POINT, MAKE USE OF APPROPRIATE EXAMPLES. NARROW THINGS DOWN. HINDI YUNG SIMPLENG POINT LANG GUSTO MO IPARATING, KUNG ANU-ANO NA SINASABI MO. LUMALAYO PA SA MAIN IDEA EH!

    • Jake M permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      I agree

      He would say that the topic focuses a single idea which was academic bigotry. Pero siya din naman, he keeps on hitting other matters as well. Dangerously if I may add.

      And how can he not say that he was not pounding on Ateneo directly when 2/3 of his article was about what Ateneans said and and ang main premise niya revolved around the slogan. It’s either naduling na siya sa mga sinulat niya or he is trying to avoid getting singed while playing with fire.

      Just the same, his article just showed one main point though. He knows how to use the encyclopedia and dictionary very well. Such color and intellect! A mixed up article but still colorful. A Pugad Baboy comic book would make more sense though.

      This is another proof that going to war with just a pistol is a dangerous and silly thing to do; just like writing an article about something you know little of can be harmful.

      Mind you, the people he used as examples of exceptions also became part of the system. And they worked their asses off first before earning the right to give an opinion. I suggest he does the same.

      Xtra for the others – It is just Ateneo, not THE Ateneo. Nagsimula ako sa Ateneo ng elem hanggang napuno na ng gimikan ang Katipunan and we never added “The” on our school’s name. The name Ateneo itself would say it all.

    • Silangan permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Galit ka na niyan?… Che…

  157. Jen permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

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  158. Steph permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

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  159. Blue Joe permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    To the author, you need to sharpen your mind and realize that what the mantra means is that as noted by so many people above, “We will not abandon our beloved school”. For us Ateneans, it s sanctuary, it has become our home, it is the “place where we belong”. We are not all rich and snobbish, although there are a lot of rich and some bad apples (which pretty much cannot generalize the entirety of the character of Ateneo and the Ateneans) but we assure you each Atenean is proud of being Atenean because it takes more than money to get into and graduate from the Ateneo. I always believed that working hard is essential to being successful in life, we do not disregard the achievements of the many greats who are not Ateneans. But take note, IT IS NOT EASY TO BE ATENEAN, regardless of what REAL BIGOTS like YOU say. We believe in and strive for excellence, honor, glory, and the greater good. Is it wrong to be proud of that kind of passion, drive, and determination? Is it wrong to work hard every single school day to pass our exams, graduate, get a good job and be successful? The answer, my misguided brother, is no.

    In terms of the UAAP championship, the better team (Our Ateneo Blue Eagles Team) won, not by being rich or popular or looked-up upon by the country. Our team won because they can bounce back from a big defeat, because our team worked harder, played better than the opposing team. There’s a saying, “bilog and bola”, all is fair in the hard court. We won the finals fair and square… TWICE IN A ROW. I know you’ll say “UE did 5 in a row years ago”. This is today, not decades ago.

    Is it unfair that Ateneans get good slots in most establishments just because they are Ateneans? No. Seriously, No. Like our team, Ateneans work hard to excel in their lives endeavors. It is not our fault we work hard to get an Ateneo diploma, its not our fault we slave over a computer screen, dozens of readings and book, and many oral examinations to put us in a position to achieve our dreams. All that we have, and will have (as much as possible) we earn and deserve.

    Our championships, our reputation, our grades, and what is left to be achieved we earn with every ounce of blood, sweat, and tears. We earn it with every stroke of the hand, drop of our pen’s ink, and beat of true blue hearts.

    Win or lose, its the school we choose. Go Ateneo.

  160. Popup permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    I’m guessing you’d still call Ateneans bigots due to them winning the game earlier. It is in the motto “Win or lose”, which, in this case, they did win.

  161. B.Uy permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Well… balita ko kasi, back to back champions ang Atneo🙂 but i must say it was a good game (GG).

    “Win or lose it’s the school we choose”
    I respect your opinion but for us,
    it’s a symbol. Try not to dissect it
    otherwise it losses all of its meaning.

    • B.Uy permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

      Ateneo* haha

  162. I'M AN UNBIASED ATENEAN permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    The line from our alma mater “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose,” does not connote nor denote bigotry. It rather shows the sense of loyalty and passion that the Ateneo community has for its school. Don’t blame the lyrics. They’re innocent.

    On the other hand, I personally agree with Froilan’s arguement, but not his reason. Members of the blue university having a sense of superiority towards others in terms socio-economic statuses is true for MOST cases. I’m not generalizing this concept. This may include tuition fees, school facilities, financial capacities, and the like. HOWEVER, the idea is not something that the Ateneans came up with all by themselves, but rather the society as a whole. Don’t blame the university’s teachings. We don’t go to classes hearing about how to crush another school’s ego.

    It’s the Philippine population who accepts and views the Ateneo as an elite and well-respected school. This social perspective only triggered the Ateneans to see themselves as “classy” and elite. We may be at fault in letting it get to our heads. Even I admit that. But other factors are included as well. Don’t solely let the whole Ateneo community take the blame. We’re partly at fault. And so are YOU and the rest of the country.

  163. Bitch from the Upper East Side permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Hi Mr. Author!

    Wow, love yourself much?

    So bitter for so young. Are you young? That’s beside the point.

    From reading the gazillion comments (read: HATE) here, I’d bet you’d want to kill yourself right now. Am I right? Just kidding.

    Anyway, I’ve been a part of the UAAP madness for 4 years now, but I have never taken offense in the Ateneo slogan like you have. Like wow. Seriously. Are you that much of a judgmental person that you’d base the personalities and ideologies of an entire school from a single slogan that’s meant only to hype up their spirit and show pride? Wow dude, you must really be mentally incapacitated or something. Bipolar? Schizophrenic? But whatever. I’m not here to bash you, I just want to give you a dose of your own medicine. Haha.

    While my post may not be as Philosophy-ish in nature like most of you have done, I do take offense in something that I KNOW is offensive and purely below the belt. And let me just say that I’m not trying to be a poser or anything. Just telling it to you like it is. Take this from the perspective of someone outside the school of this (hate) blog’s affection. I don’t know why I’m even affected by this when I’m not even a part of the Ateneo Community, but for some weird reason, I feel like I have to defend them. Why?

    It’s because I have three lovely friends who go to Ateneo and they’re the most amazing and some of the nicest people that I know. Generalization? I don’t think so. I’ve known them since we were a lot younger and anyone who dares question this fact shouldn’t, because YOU DON’T KNOW THEM. They don’t deserve to be hastily generalized (or anyone else, actually) like how I think you have done. I just that think it’s unfair for them to be harmfully called what you just called them, because they’re far from being these–these–seemingly SOUL LESS people you colorfully implied from your (“intellectual”) write up. While it may be true, that because of their excessive school spirit, some Ateneans might have displayed outright crappy behavior, but please don’t tell me that you haven’t, at least once in your life, been guilty of the same thing? Has that ever occurred to you, Mr. Author? I’d bet you’d be ranting as much as these “haters” of yours once you’re misjudged to be someone you’re completely not.

    I’d probably guess that you’re judging me based from how I named myself here.

    Well, I’m far from being a real-life bitch. In the same way that NOT ALL ATENEANS (OR ANYONE STUDYING IN EXPENSIVE SCHOOLS, FOR THAT MATTER) ARE, AS YOU LABEL THEM, GUILTY OF BIGOTRY (WHATEVER THE EFF THAT IS) OR ACADEMIC RACISM OR ELITISM. ‘Coz believe it or not, most people don’t think like the way you do and most (sane, normal) people don’t go jumping into (false) conclusions and THEY DON’T THINK AS NEGATIVELY OF OTHERS like you have.

    See how that’s almost the same thing?

    At the end of the day, it doesn’t come down to where you went to school or how loaded your trust funds are or how many times you won or lost a basketball game–it boils down to what kind of a person you end up being. SO EVERYONE, STOP JUDGING. No wonder this country is being fed to the dogs. We think so less and low of our countrymen and their “incapacities” and inabilities to be decent human beings.

    If you’re really EDUCATED (like you subtly claim to be), fine, consider as informed but can you please NOT use what you know to elate yourself to a higher pedestal and make other people feel inferior or under-educated?

    As you can see, you have created quite of a mess here my dear. You turned some of them against Ateneans and others against others. Are you happy that you illicited such an online mayhem? Wow. If yes, that’s disturbing.

    If you’re (hopefully) a nice person, you’d take time and think about what I said here and cease bashing people or students from these schools. And you will NOT bombard me with your Philosophical wavelength. You can’t read this from any other textbooks you have read. And sheesh, it’s just a game and a slogan, hunny.

    If I copyright a slogan that says “I ROCK. OTHERS SUCK.”, would you also be dedicating an entire post to me and misjudge me when you have no idea who I even am?

    Chill. Relax. Breathe.

    Go do what you have to do without hurting other people’s feelings and you can still be full of insight. Isn’t it a lot nicer to post a blog and read POSITIVE comments instead of angst?

    Kudos, by the way to everyone. Everything that you contributed to this lovely intellectual bitch fit somehow educated the minds of your fellow readers.
    I’m not going to pretend that I know even half of what you guys said, however, there’s still what we call Freedom of Speech. I dunno, unless that too, has been turned and interpreted into something else, like, say, BIGOTRY? Ring a bell?

    I rest my case.

    ———
    P.S:

    By the way,

    I cheer “Go USTe”.

    Irrelevant, but I just thought I’d let you know.:)

  164. Merry Christmas permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    As Jai Reyes said during the Thanksgiving mass, and I’m paraphrasing this because I cannot remember his exact words:

    No matter what they say about the Ateneo or the Ateneans, I think we would all agree on this: Ang sarap maging Atenista. ^_^

    Win or lose, it’s the school we choose.🙂

    † Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam †

  165. Mayabang na Atenean permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    One quick question mr. bersamina, I assume you’re from UE?

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      I am and I’m watching X-Men Evolution right now. Why? Because it belongs to the literature’s school of romanticism.

      • aggy permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        Why is it part of the Romantic movement?

  166. pao permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Err. This kind of freaked me out. Everyone has school pride. The goal is not offend people; it’s just the way life is. For example, we UP students don’t really know our cheer beyond “Unibersidad ng Pilipinas. Matatapang, MATATALINO.” It’s school pride. We accept we’re not the only people capable of excellence, in fact, we can accept that there are idiots among us, as well as brilliant people not from our school. Doesn’t stop us from blowing our own horns and cracking school jokes though. I imagine it must be the same with Ateneo. Think family loyalty. Of course, there will always BE the really huge jerk!bigots, but hey – isn’t there one EVERYWHERE? No need to generalize, man. You’re doing the same thing you’re accusing them of.

    There is this song in a play called Avenue Q, “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist”. Here are a few lines from it:

    Everyone’s a little bit racist
    It’s true.
    But everyone is just about
    As racist as you!
    If we all could just admit
    That we are racist a little bit,
    And everyone stopped being
    So PC
    Maybe we could live in –
    Harmony!

    While this is not racism, the sentiment is the same. Let us not be too easily offended. Usually, it just makes things worse.

    On another note, I think this would have been much more effective had you just said straight out that you were offended, instead of making yourself seem smart and high-faluting. No one would have faulted you for that. You are, however, losing sympathy by (whether knowingly or not) making yourself out to be “better.” It seems pretentious. For example, while “chauvinism” is technically an acceptable term here, it is culturally incorrect. The term “chauvinism” has evolved into a term specific to “male chauvinism,” no longer a general one to imply extreme prejudice to a particular group. In other words, it starts to look like you thesaurus’d it up to sound good. Also, I’d like it if you expounded on why it is a “microcosm of the country.” You cannot just give this statement without anything to support it.

    • Proud to be a Atenean! permalink
      October 8, 2009 3:38

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  167. faceoff permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    BACK 2 BACK bitch

  168. Wala Nang Mas Sasarap Pa Sa Pagiging Atenista permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    • Silangan permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Lumalabas ang true colors …

  169. Clarisse permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    di lumabas din ang totoo, UE ka pala e. Ano yang article mo, in preparation in case matalo kayo? Hay iho, you and your so called intellectual lingo. In the end, it’s full of crap.

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      Mga hippies:
      Did he ever pretend he’s not from UE? Nagmayabang ang mga bobo! Lahat ng arguments puro invalid. Lahat kayo OWNED.
      O.W.N.E.D.!
      Pati mga english niyo mali-mali grammar. If I were the blogger, I would critique your grammar and sentence construction. Kakahiya nama kau kung taga-Taeneo este Ateneo kayo. Hindi lang kayu bobo at walang binatbat… MGA BASTOS PA KAU! PURO KAU YABANG!

      • Merry Christmas permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

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      • Another Bigot permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        uh, tapos? HAHA

      • HOY permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        Learn how to spell words in your native tongue before you critique others’ grammar in their second language. STUPID MOTHERFUCKING MORON.

      • esgie permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        LOL. She destroyed herself right then and there.

      • Queen Blair permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        wow, post this somewhere else. you know, another place in cyberspace where people actually care? just a thought. for the record, i don’t even think you understand what’s going on here.

        besides, you speak so much of correct grammar when yours is actually really crappy. ay wow, english teacher ka? tss.

        inggit ka lang sa mga atenista right?bitter. pwe.

        “Lahat ng arguments puro invalid.”

        ah really? then please HIGHLIGHT EACH INVALID POINT AND CORRECT THEM. prove to us you’re so much better than all of the people who commented here. we’ll bow to you if and when you do that. but i seriously doubt it.

        i hope you’re as good as your smack.

  170. Clarisse permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

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    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      hindi lang ata to hippie… ipis ata! hahaha! nag-deny ba ung author na taga-ue siya? eto pa sinabi ng IPIS na tong clarisse na to: “Ano yang article mo, in preparation in case matalo kayo? Hay iho, you and your so called intellectual lingo.” parang nagkaroon ng lakas ng loob na makisagupa sa intelektuwal na talakayan kay author ngayun nalaman atang taga-UE LANG PALA ANG WRITER… style mo bulok! ni hindi nga kau makaporma at puro mali grammar niyo! taga-ateneo ba talaga kau o ano?

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      I think this one (CLARISSE)is trying to blackmail me. But I’m goin’ to give you a few seconds while watching my favorite tv series. You don’t know me. You don’t know how I think and what I believe in. I refuse to think that with your actuation, you’re from Ateneo or whatever school. I’d like to think you’re a hmmm… a TROLL? I think it’s better to consider you a troll. I’m from UE and I have NEVER denied this fact or claimed that I’m from this school or that. What are you trying to suggest now? It seems that you’ve gained so much strength now that you now know my school. Whatever my school is… whether or not I’m an out-of-school youth or an literate, I can talk to anyone and express my mind.

  171. October 8, 2009 3:38

    THIS IS FOR CLARISSE:
    I’d like to also include the comment of this Clarisse (which, for ethical purposes, I simply considered a Troll, because I don’t want to think she’s from Ateneo). This is what she had to say after knowing where I currently study: “Are you now ashamed that you are from UE since they lost? We can help you tell UE that! Since you stick to your individualistic principles. How do you stand now? If you can stand at all! What do you think guys?”
    I think these words just came from a hooligan, and not just a hippie who’d like to get my attention. I must say you’ve succeeded in getting my attention. What made you say that I’m ashamed that I’m from UE? I never thought that any hippie digging my blogs could ever shrink to such a very cheap level. I’m a person who does not care about what other people’s status, educational background or family history. A truly educated and esteemed man wouldn’t even give a damn about crude things like that. It seems that you have gained so much confidence now that you know where I study. Will that knowledge of yours change everything I said? Will that make you a better, saner or more educated person? Only a racist or a bigot would ever have that kind of estimation. When I talk to a stranger, I don’t give a damn where he went to school or whether he has criminal record. I talked to retarded couple outside my dorm without feeling embarrassment or reluctance.
    As an individualist, what matters to me are your values and choices, Clarisse (whoever you are), not the things which happened to you by accident. To me, what makes you great is never (take note) your school; it is who you are and what you make for yourself.

    You may check the continuation here: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/update-the-philosophy-of-academic-bigotry/

  172. My name is George Carlos Habacon Pastor, and you can quote me on this. permalink
    October 8, 2009 3:38

    Para tapos na ang away, ganto na lang:

    In every institution, there will always be bigots. It’s a disease that just doesn’t seem to have a cure anywhere in the near future.

    This does not equate, however, that the institution itself is a bigot in nature.

    The actions of some cannot speak for the opinions and ideals of many.

    but it takes a bigot to think otherwise.

    I don’t need an extensive knowledge of philosophy or the great philosophers to tell you that. It is simply common sense, something that is oftentimes lost when we choose to OVERTHINK things.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you may be gunning for an ideal educational system, where elitism is obsolete and equality reigns among your academic peers. But let’s face the facts; this is not an ideal world, not even an ideal country, to say the least. This doesn’t make things right, if you think that’s what i’m trying to point out, but it’s the truth.

    Come on FVB, if you’re as educated as you say you are, this article should never have been written in the first place. STOP FANNING THE FLAMES. Because that’s not what an educated person would do.

    Note: Wooooooooo!!! Back to back Champions!!!😀
    Congratulations Men’s and Junior’s Basketball, and Men’s Judo team for the back-to-back championships! Junior’s Judo team for their 4th consecutive Championship!

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      I suggest that you read some of my previous blogs, not just this. “If you’re as educated as you say you are, this article should never have been written in the first place…”
      I didn’t say I am educated as I am. Tell that to Clarisse… you could get along very well. Perhaps you know her/him. It’s not my nature. By the way, some of my classmates graduated from ADMU and DLSU, including UST. I get along with them.

      • October 8, 2009 3:38

        I do suggest wag mo na silang patulan… Lumalabas pagiging bigot nila haha! Clarisse and George could really get along with each other… or baka iisa lang sila… malay natin! Basta… OWNED LAHAT SILA. Kodus to you blog!

      • My name is George Carlos Habacon Pastor, and you can quote me on this. permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        “I must say that I’m a self-educated person. I learned a great deal from ideas and principles not being taught in any university in the Philippines. I’d like to say that my teachers in philosophy are Aristotle and Ayn Rand. My mentors in economics and business are Ludwig von Mises and Ron Paul, although in regard to this matter, I’m still in the process of self-education.”

        wow, if you don’t consider yourself educated, then these people (whom you tend to quote extensively) must be terrible teachers.

    • October 8, 2009 3:38

      Ganito rin, I will check your grammar, George Carlos Habacon Pastor (whether you like it or not, kasi nagmamagaling ka!).

      — It’s a disease that just doesn’t seem to have a cure anywhere in the near future. (Very sophomoric. Is this written by a freshman in school?)

      —This does not equate, however, that the institution itself is a bigot in nature. (What does THIS refer to? The decease? Improper use of pronoun!)

      — The actions of some cannot speak for the opinions and ideals of many. (Incoherent paragraph. Observe unity).
      AYOKO NA!!!

      — but it takes a bigot to think otherwise. (Did you mean “it takes one to see one?)

      • What's the point Myrtle? permalink
        October 8, 2009 3:38

        There is obviously tension in this forum. However, I feel that the exchanges between the author and his audience provide intellectual stimulation for everyone. Would it be proper to assume that Myrtle persists on spotting grammatical errors because she could not contribute anything to this debate?

        “Improper use of pronoun”….How trivial can you get?

        I am not an English major but I see some errors in your reply too.

        Isn’t “Very sophomoric” a fragmented sentence?
        Did you mean “kudos” when you said “kodus”?
        Lastly, please stop brutalizing the English and Filipino languages. You’ve made my ears bleed.

        On a lighter note, I would like to thank Froilan for giving everyone a venue to sharpen our wit. Keep it up!

      • Popup permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        Spell and Grammar check mo rin yung kay walang paki para mapakitang di ka biaeed. May mga mali rin siya. O ok lang sa iyong makitang biased ka at puro comments ng mga Atenista lang ang gagawan mo ng check.

      • Another Bigot permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        “Kodus to you” AMP. HAHAHA

      • Silangan permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

        PAWNED AND OWNED!… HAHAHA…

  173. ..... permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    FVB: “You don’t know me. You don’t know how I think and what I believe in. ”

    And yet you write an entire blog post about one line in a school hymn assuming that YOU know US Ateneans based on a FEW encounters and on one line from a school hymn? And that YOU know OUR school hymn better than WE do?

  174. KARLA2 permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    As was stated in the comments above, the “win or lose, it’s the school we choose” slogan is but a mere pledge of loyalty to our school. And as people have pointed out already, every other school has the same sort of what you call bigotry in their slogans/cheers. Do not single out the Ateneo just ’cause you are from UE. Do not give your own interpretation of OUR school slogan because you are not an Atenean and therefore not in the position to make such interpretations. You talked about us judging other schools, but what are you doing singling out the Ateneo?

    As to the comments that you saw online allegedly made by Ateneans, do you seriously think that we are the only ones saying such things about you? SERIOUSLY?! Maybe you should have looked for forums and blogs of FEU students at the time of the final four. AT PLEASE, TINGNAN MO RIN ANG MGA FORUM AT BLOGS NG MGA ESTUDYANTE NIYO SA UE. Ateneans could very well write a blog such as this one talking about UE’s “bigotry”/discrimination of Ateneans (of course, with more correct grammar and less use of the word bigotry).

    Now, if you really want to talk about discrimination of schools, then do not just look at our institution. Why don’t you talk about corporations and other institutions who prefer Ateneo graduates (as well as UP & DLSU graduates, for that matter) over graduates from other schools.

  175. Dead-end argument permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    To the fellow Ateneans in this thread and those that will comment after this,

    It is going to be useless to prove anything here.

    I do not share the same sentiment as the author about his “Win or lose it’s the school we choose” meaning. I’m also quite taken aback at how he described it. BUT, people are entitled to their own opinion regardless of whether we will accept their view or not.

    Let us not give them more reason to call us “bigots”.

    Making below-the-belt remarks or violent objections shows weakness. As abrasive as it may have sounded, it does not give us the right to make tasteless comments.

    It might be hard to control the ‘anger’ that you might be feeling after reading the article and all the comments, but please try not to fuel this bad impression these people (in no way do I mean this to sound condescending) have of us.

    If we want to prove them otherwise, let us show it properly through actions.

    Let’s just accept the criticism (even though it disturbs us) and get on with our lives!

    • Popup permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      There’s nothing wrong with stating your opinion. You can’t be wrong for stating an opinion because it’s just an opinion. Opinions can just be disagreed with. But if you show off your opinion like it was a fact, then it starts to become wrong.

      There are a lot of closed-minded people here. We should all, even fora second, just try to understand what the other is saying. We refuse to see the author’s interpretation of the slogan. The author also refuses to see the common, not only the Atenean’s, interpretation of the slogan. Who’s to say who’s correct? The person who made the slogan? Maybe. But we can’t really ask him, can we?

      A lot of people here are bigots too, not only Ateneans. There are from other schools like UE. But we can’t generalize. If you generalize and call Ateneans bogots because of the ones here, then you’d also be calling people from the other institutions bigots as well. Therefore, everyone in every university is a bigot. So if you want to call someone a bigot, then call those certain people, from Ateneo, La Salle, UP, UE, bigots.

      I wonder if the author reads all the comments. Of course he can only reply to some because some comments only contain profanities. But some also have good points though he doesn’t reply to them. Maybe he can’t give a rebuttal to those or maybe he just didn’t see them. He should read all the comments though. This is his blog.

  176. taena permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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  177. Psychosarcastic Schwarzschild permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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    • esgie permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      … and I’m guessing that Psychosarcastic Schwarzschild is my Tagalog Philo prof.

  178. more wood into the fire! permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    ol! i love the article

    While these so called Bigot Rants are quite insulting, isn’t this a little too much overreading/overreacting to what they say.

    All over the world sporting fans say much much harsher things. Ever been in an Italian soccer game where all they say is “va fraculo”? Ever seen those wild riots in Brazil and Argentina? English football fans are even stabbed in Turkey. Even NBA fans taunted Ron Artest so much that he attacked them. Fans fought back pouring beer!

    In summary, jeers and taunts done during sporting events must be taken with a light heart. Its part of the game!

    Its a BIG issue is Ateneans are suppose to be ‘role-models’.

    Its a bigger issue is 99% of the population actually accept the bigotry.

    Even the whole “man for others” idea suggests that to be the perfect Atenean:
    1) one must be a guy
    2) that one is ‘above’ or ‘different’ from the rest to help the ‘others’

    What can I say, white Jesuits taught us this shit… lol

    Wooo champions! Go Ateneo!

    • more wood into the fire! permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      wtf wrong grammar nice atenean, the english dept peeps will kill me

  179. Ito Walang Wrong Grammar permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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    • more wood into the fire! permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      ahahahaha!

      A reporter asks an Atenean…

      Reporter: Why do you think your team lost Game 2
      Atenean: Coz we were busy with the relief work pare. Its not all about wining, we have to help out the others naman! O.o

      Sarap manalo ng tambak!

    • October 9, 2009 3:38

      I have classmates and frat brods/sis who came from la salle, ateneo, ua&p, and up. I have brods who graduated from prestigious american universities. But you know what? They they never act like that. I and my friends also packed and donated relief goods to flood victims, but I think you don’t have to act like a hippie in advertising a very simple and no-even-a-duty thing you did. Are you related to Willie R?

  180. Ridiculous permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    People are obviously flamebaiting here.

  181. Clarisse permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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    • October 9, 2009 3:38

      Eto lang ang tamang SAGOT sa yo CLARISSE… Copy-pase ko lang sinabi ni Bersamina okay?

      “THIS IS FOR CLARISSE:
      I’d like to also include the comment of this Clarisse (which, for ethical purposes, I simply considered a Troll, because I don’t want to think she’s from Ateneo). This is what she had to say after knowing where I currently study: “Are you now ashamed that you are from UE since they lost? We can help you tell UE that! Since you stick to your individualistic principles. How do you stand now? If you can stand at all! What do you think guys?”
      I think these words just came from a hooligan, and not just a hippie who’d like to get my attention. I must say you’ve succeeded in getting my attention. What made you say that I’m ashamed that I’m from UE? I never thought that any hippie digging my blogs could ever shrink to such a very cheap level. I’m a person who does not care about what other people’s status, educational background or family history. A truly educated and esteemed man wouldn’t even give a damn about crude things like that. It seems that you have gained so much confidence now that you know where I study. Will that knowledge of yours change everything I said? Will that make you a better, saner or more educated person? Only a racist or a bigot would ever have that kind of estimation. When I talk to a stranger, I don’t give a damn where he went to school or whether he has criminal record. I talked to retarded couple outside my dorm without feeling embarrassment or reluctance.
      As an individualist, what matters to me are your values and choices, Clarisse (whoever you are), not the things which happened to you by accident. To me, what makes you great is never (take note) your school; it is who you are and what you make for yourself.”

      Yan lang wala nang iba! Hippie at ipis ka nga… Utak ipis ka nga puro ka yabang at proud-proud ko no? Anong school mo ba talaga? My condolences sa school mo kung saang lupalop ka nga galit. Buti may internet connection sa inyo… Wahahahaha!!!!

      • Clarisse permalink
        October 9, 2009 3:38

        wow marunong ka na mag copy/paste ngayon. Gusto mo turuan kita gumamit ng notepad? Pag medyo advanced ka na, MS Paint naman.

        Palibhasa, you don’t know how to read between the lines kaya nangungupal ka na lang. Bagay ka nga sa inyo.

      • October 9, 2009 3:38

        Yan ang mga walang modong kunwari may pinag-aralan. Pero copy-paste ko ulit because this is the only way rational people can deal with you, dickhead! Here it is, suck it, bitch:

        “THIS IS FOR CLARISSE:
        I’d like to also include the comment of this Clarisse (which, for ethical purposes, I simply considered a Troll, because I don’t want to think she’s from Ateneo). This is what she had to say after knowing where I currently study: “Are you now ashamed that you are from UE since they lost? We can help you tell UE that! Since you stick to your individualistic principles. How do you stand now? If you can stand at all! What do you think guys?”
        I think these words just came from a hooligan, and not just a hippie who’d like to get my attention. I must say you’ve succeeded in getting my attention. What made you say that I’m ashamed that I’m from UE? I never thought that any hippie digging my blogs could ever shrink to such a very cheap level. I’m a person who does not care about what other people’s status, educational background or family history. A truly educated and esteemed man wouldn’t even give a damn about crude things like that. It seems that you have gained so much confidence now that you know where I study. Will that knowledge of yours change everything I said? Will that make you a better, saner or more educated person? Only a racist or a bigot would ever have that kind of estimation. When I talk to a stranger, I don’t give a damn where he went to school or whether he has criminal record. I talked to retarded couple outside my dorm without feeling embarrassment or reluctance.
        As an individualist, what matters to me are your values and choices, Clarisse (whoever you are), not the things which happened to you by accident. To me, what makes you great is never (take note) your school; it is who you are and what you make for yourself.”

  182. The Sharpshooter permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    Let me quote you:
    ““WIN or lose, it’s the school we choose!” This is the Ateneo mantra in the UAAP. What does this bigot slogan mean? It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates. It means that men of ability like Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Chief Justice Renato Puno, and many great Filipinos who did not graduate from Ateneo are nothing.”

    Thats coming from someone who hasn’t graduated from Ateneo. If you actually graduated from the Ateneo, you would know that the slogan means that Ateneans, whether they win or lose, are still Ateneans and they’re proud of that. We our proud of our school. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing offensive meant.

    Now, you say that it means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing. Thats coming from, guess who? YOU! So, youre the one insulting those who arent ateneans. Youre the one putting FALSE meanings to the motto of a decent academic institution. Youre the one who sayst that our institution teaches students to take things on faith. What does that make you? According to your definition, A BIGOT!

    You have just made yourself into the thing that you are ranting about. Smart. Real smart. (sarcasm)

    As the Sharpshooter, shall I fire another round? Oh yes.

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” is a battle cry for the UNEARNED, for something that is outside the attributes and character of an individual. It’s a battle cry for ZERO… One can’t have a battle cry for the negative or ZERO unless he’s a second-hander, brainwashed or a bigot. This mantra means that it is the SCHOOL that determines your virtues, win or lose”

    Oh yes, another quote from you. As a graduate of the Ateneo, I know this ain’t true. Especially the last sentence. As an Atenean, I am aware that this ain’t its true meaning. I bet you never even studied in Ateneo. So youre basing this on YOUR OPINION.

    You just tried to pass of your opinion for something that is FACT. Mature. Real mature. (sarcasm)

    Still another round? Oh yeah.

    “The meaning of this jingle is that it is okay for students to take things on faith so long as it is for loyalty, common good and the good of others. This philosophy is not surprising considering the brand of altruism and socialist tendencies of the Jesuits.”

    That quote was from UPDATE: The Philosophy of Academic Bigotry. Still, you are putting false meaning to the motto of a school you probably have never been to. Ateneans are taught to seek the “MAGIS” (To give more than what is expected), to be “Lux in Domino” (light to the world) and to do things “Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam” (for the greater glory of God).

    Take things on faith? Nah. It never was in the curriculum. Trust me, I have studied in Ateneo for almost a decade.

    Three rounds fired. I could fire more if you want but that would be a strain on my trigger finger (or in this case, my typing fingers). Lastly, Im guessing that firing a few more would just be overkill.

    Three rounds fired. Unless you can justify your INCREDIBLY BIASED, BIGOT AND DEROGATORY statements, my work here is done.

  183. cheska permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    “Hitler also used this same kind of slogan, albeit in another perspective. Hitler preached that no matter the flaws or inability of his people, so long as they were Aryans they had the right to rule the world.”
    O_O –> LOL

    The difference between Hitler’s slogan and the Ateneo’s is that you CANNOT CHOOSE your nationality or race (unless as a spirit fetus, you asked God to make you a Filipino, Aryan, African etc), but you CHOOSE the school you belong to. If you are going to compare the two mantras, make sure the context is the same.

    BTW: I chose Ateneo. I got in Ateneo. I am proud of being an Atenean. I am not going to apologize for choosing a school that I believe in, nor am I going to apologize for being proud of it. My alma matter does not define me, but it is a big part of who I am.

  184. notworthareply permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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  185. TrueBlue 1994 - 2008 permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    Go Ateneo! =) Peaceout!

  186. October 9, 2009 3:38

    actually, vince is my classmate. mabait siya pero at first glance mukha siyang isnabero. but i have to tell you he’s friendly. i have to tell you, guys, di niyo matatalo si vincent sa mga ganyang style. i think he’s laughing out loud right now. so it’s useless to piss him off. di niyo siya kilala. hindi siya basta-basta nagpapadala sa mga ganyang stupid at baloney comments and arguments. yung iba may point naman. i must admit na medyo foul ung mga sinabi niya kasi grad i’m a grad of a catholic school. a good friend and classmate of vincent is a very, very proud ateneo graduate. he’s a son of one of gloria arroyo cabinet member. but they respect each other.

    • irked_reader permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

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  187. BBB permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    Good premises everyone.

    Good premises.

  188. Light permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    Ah yes, the Internet. Eventually, this will come to pass and another will take the heat. It’s a daft pattern. I admit it’s fun to watch, I guess even better to participate, but in the end, it leads to nowhere.

    On the other hand, if one might allow this foolish commenter to contradict himself, it can also lead to some sort of learning. The extended community, after all, shapes all of us. Perhaps we’ll look back at this when we have gone gray and old, and pose a question to ourselves, “Was I a fool or not?” Or perhaps, “Was he the fool or I?”

    But then, life offers more than these questions and we might as well return to our daily lives. We log on, we log off, everyday, every night. But really, what are people looking for?

  189. Hindi ako atenean, pero oo nakakabwiset ka pa rin. permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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  190. snobsnob permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    the real issue is…

    bakit sa basketball lang ito mas nakikita? hindi lang naman basketball ang UAAP?
    there are other sports aside from this.

    author, i would really love it if you can write about this. hehehe.. if lang naman.

  191. Are You Sure? permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    well, perhaps we don’t have to go through the thousands of threads here expressing various opinions.

    i believe that those ateneans here know what it means when they say “win or lose it’s the school we choose.” it is straight-cut loyalty, not leaving this beloved alma mater even if the basketball players or their professionals or politicians or academicians suck. which means they still believe the virtues and ideals taught to them. and, furthermore, i believe that this is the same thing that all schools say in their hearts. team ateneo just explicitates it. isn’t it a sign of hope, a sign that things would be better and a society with classes could actually work together for unity and harmony?

    and if you see that as a sign of discrimination precisely in the context i have mentioned above, then think again. you might want to reconsider what you have said… and put yourself in the feet of Ateneans, those large part who are not part of the elite and have been burning their brows in studying and taking part in different school activities just to stay there, those large part who knows what it means to go down the hill and see the world with a different set of eyes, those large part who knows that as Ateneans, they have to do something. and yet you call this bigotry?

    and I do express doubts about your use of philosophical ideas and the philosophers. you might be just doing some name-dropping and idea-dropping without you yourself knowing where they come from. just look at these things.

  192. October 9, 2009 3:38

    Here’s my answer to that: https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/update-the-philosophy-of-academic-bigotry/

  193. Quito permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

    Guys, I think we should stop commenting on this guy’s blog. I think he’s benefitting because of all the “fame” and “publicity” he’s getting from this. Let him do his own intellectual masturbation without anyone noticing. He obviously has very fallacious arguments which the others have already pointed out. I don’t have to write down the weaknesses of his arguments.

    On another note, since I know that this blog has already attracted the attention of the UE crowd, I’d like to congratulate them for a very good fight to the end. The UE team, I think, showed class during Game 3. They (especially Coach Chongson) were gracious enough to accept the defeat even if it was painful. Kudos to the Red Warriors. Paul Lee, Pari Llagas, Elmer Espiritu, you guys are great players. Goodluck in the PBA!

    To the UE crowd, please come up with better cheers. “Iyakin!” and “Luto!” are not cheers. And please. Stop the damn wave.

    • aggy permalink
      October 9, 2009 3:38

      Whatchaexpect:

      Get that ball –> Copied from Ateneo

      Go UE, Go go UE –> Go La Salle, go go La Salle

      Wave –> Started by La Salle too (although they stopped it na because they felt it was a jinx)

  194. LOL permalink
    October 9, 2009 3:38

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  195. IPOKRITO/IPOKRITA KA :) permalink
    October 10, 2009 3:38

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  196. Peace on earth! permalink
    October 10, 2009 3:38

    peace!

  197. anon permalink
    October 10, 2009 3:38

    “To me, what makes you great is never (take note) your school; it is who you are and what you make for yourself.”

    Partly true. You cannot brand a person based only on what school he went to. But to know what school he went to could already partly help you know what kind of a person he is, if you knew what one experiences in order to graduate from that school.

    That’s why in resumes, graduating in a good school helps. You could already imagine the hardships/trials that that person has experienced for him to be person that he is today. And on that basis, in addition to knowing his personality and work ethics, will help you decide if this guy is dependable or not.

    I agree. Knowing the school won’t let you TOTALLY gauge a person. But again, it helps.

    But, while what you said is a bit true, it isn’t the whole truth. Schools, usually, become a big factor in why a person could be called great. There are indeed some people who become great without going to school. But, going to school definitely helps one to become a better person, hence why our parents invest a lot of their time, money and effort to get you to graduate (and of course there’s also a lot of hard work and willingness needed from your side), more so to graduate from a good school. There are schools for the reason of producing better, if not great, students in a more consistent basis.

    that’s why when you said UNEARNED, you’re not doing justice to those who graduate from what you call “elite” schools–their hardships, their perseverance, their will to not give up.

    You don’t just go to the Ateneo (or any good school in fact) just because you decided to. You earn your ticket there. And getting in is not even half the battle. You got to stay there. That’s why I don’t think being proud of your school and of graduating from it could be classified as bigotry.

    “We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.”
    Ateneo is recognized as a center for excellence because of its rigorous curriculum that has already produced and is continuing to produce highly capable students. It’s not something that the Ateneo earned overnight–it’s from 150 years of tradition and excellence (and still going strong). The school has already lasted more than a lifetime; the torches have already been passed to this generation, and yet its tradition and excellence still stays. It’s a very impressive feat/fact that one usually cannot help but be proud of being a part of it.

    Hence, we’re proud of our alma mater. Win or lose, we’ll still love our school and stand by it. We’re proud of being a part of what it is today. And of course, as a sign of gratitude and love, we also strive to always make our school proud.

    I know you guys from other universities have different (or maybe the same) reasons why you love your school, but the thing is, we love our respective schools. And I for one know that loving one’s school and being proud of it and what it has imparted in its students isn’t bigotry, just as loving the country or province or city/town one came from (like how we can be proud of our own culture, our own festivals, our own dialect, and/or our own native food.) Simply branding love for one’s alma mater is what I’d call bigotry.

    UAAP is there to uphold healthy competition and good relationships between universities (aside from making lots of money), just like how there is the PBA, NBA, NFL, regional/provincial leagues, etc. Sometimes feelings get pretty intense in the heat of things, but at the end of the game, we will all resume with our own lives. And in here is the larger scope of things, since even if winning the games might make your school/town/country proud, a school/town/country would still be more acknowledged/respected based on how its people goes about their lives, knowing that they carry their school’s/town’s/country’s name.

  198. Stumbled Upon permalink
    October 10, 2009 3:38

    Kaya pala may ganito. Taga-UE kasi.

    http://greenpennetwork.blogspot.com/2009/01/campus-editor-green-covenant.html

  199. IPOKRITO/IPOKRITA KA :) permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

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  200. IPOKRITO/IPOKRITA KA :) permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

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    • MAC Boy permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      you know what, sa ganyang asal mo you’re simply showing asal IPIS ka. if you disagree with what the writer said, publicize your own advocacy. a person like the writer has no time and space to deal with morons like you. and please don’t ever pretend and tell you you’re educated. kung nag-aral ka nga, my commiserations to your school. isa kang panis na saging, aka ng ng isang nag-comment. ang ASAL MO NABABAGAY SA MUNDO NG MGA MANGMANG AT MORON!!! kahit ano pang sabihin mo jan, MORON, moron ka pa rin. do something worthwhile. ayaw ko sanang mag-comment pero nakakabuwisit ang mga taong tulad mo na kuno may pinag-aralan… wala naman. ikaw ang mukhang MASTURBATER… A MORON MASTURBATER!!! IPOKRITO/IPOKRITA KA NGA!!! KAKAAWA KA NAMAN!!!

  201. uenian permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

    bakit ba galit na galit ang mga atenista sa mga sinabi ni sir froilan?

    haven’t you heard of the term freedom of expression?

    • The Sharpshooter permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Because he passed of his OPINIONS as FACT. Obviously, by doing so he gives Ateneans a bad rep.

    • wrong timing permalink
      October 11, 2009 3:38

      Even if there is such a thing as freedom of expression, there is also such a thing as responsible writing and proper timing.

      You do not say ‘fire’ inside a theater as a joke and get away with it by declaring freedom of speech.

      You also do not give negative remarks (whether you claim it as constructive criticism) against someone who just beat you. It makes you look like a sore loser.

      We all should learn that not everything right can be right all the time. He should have known that.

      • Non-UAAP/NCAA permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

        Hey! Your message is not just “wrong timing,” it’s also beyond “timing.” His opinion on the bigotry of some so-called elite universities is not within the ambit of clear and present danger rule. The author merely stated his personal opinion, which is not even libelous. Furthermore, the author did not engage in hasty generalization. I’ve not found a statement in any of his blogs stating “All or most ateneans are bigot.” You can’t even cite that he impliedly state that most ateneans are bigot. I agree with how the author defined bigotry and how he associated some schools like ateneo with academic bigotry. Most of those who commented here are in state of denial. Most of them also made a crudest display of bigotry. Take for example the case of one reactor who made a crude and rude presumption that the author “did not pass ACET.” On my part I did not take ACET and I have no plan to study in Ateneo. Will that make me envious or insecure? Nah! It’s disappointing to know how most reactors commented on or reacted to the opinion adduced by the author.

  202. bystander permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

    Neither am I from Ateneo nor UE.

    I have friends from both sides.

    I do enjoy watching UAAP most specially the championships these past years.

    Like everyone else, I enjoy the game and I cheer for those who have the heart in the game.

    On the slogan- “Tuition fee n’yo, baon ko!”. I only saw that once and that was a couple of years ago, not involving the 2 schools in this year’s UAAP championship. In particular, it involves both Catholic school ( one Dominican and the other handled by a group of Brothers).

    I can truly say, I didn’t see such a slogan in this year’s championship.

    Again, am not an Atenean nor from UE.

    As far as I’m concerned- both teams played well. It’s the break of the game.

    Move on, kids!

  203. uenian permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

    oh well, i still support FVB…
    not because i am from ue but because i know that there is indeed discrimination in uaap
    and like what i just said, he has the freedom of expression
    and he shared his thoughts in a very educated manner
    not like those trash talkers out there

  204. This blog sucks permalink
    October 11, 2009 3:38

    “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” doesn’t make sense to you because you are not from Ateneo. Call me an “academic bigot” or some other term you invented, but that’s the way it is. You’re taking it out of context because you’re looking from the outside looking in. You will never understand. Stop acting so smart.

    • October 11, 2009 3:38

      Oh, based on the entries I read on this blog, I think he’s a thousand times smarter than you! Of course you can’t understand him because all of you are acting like some brainwashed little bigots. I don’t play flattery here but I think the author is kind of ahead of his time and people like you can never understand him… so get some life!

      • irked_reader permalink
        October 11, 2009 3:38

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      • October 11, 2009 3:38

        I suggest that you read this entry to personally see it for yourself who’s really narrow-minded —->>>>>> https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/

        https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/which-is-the-real-evil-self-interest-or-altruism/

  205. bystander permalink
    October 12, 2009 3:38

    I understand fully the bitterness of losing a game. I too will feel bad. But I wouldn’t go to the extent of creating “imagined” slogan. ( a photo of the offensive slogan would help)

    I too will feel bad a few years back when my team swept the regular season only to be defeated in the finals.

    If there are proof of discrimination in UAAP, then let the evidence come out in the open. Words will not prove anything. One can use all those flowery words as much as you can to impress. But isn’t the truth be backed by evidence be as valuable as it’s weight in gold?

    Only in the Philippines when no politician ever losses- they were just “cheated”.

    Too bad 2 teams can’t be champions they both deserved to be.

    Again, my congratulations to both teams! Good game, till next time!

    But that’s life.

    Move on!

  206. Dark Crusader permalink
    October 21, 2009 3:38

    You faithless cowards! All of you are the same. UAAP & it’s fantards = shit.

  207. Dark Crusader permalink
    October 21, 2009 3:38

    Viva La Dark Crusade!

  208. Alvin permalink
    October 21, 2009 3:38

    Froilan Vincent Bersamina ang oa mo sobra, grabe, feeling mo pa napakatalino mo at alam mo ang lahat, hay, di ka lang ata pumasa ng ACET e, ok lang yan pre di mo kelngan umiyak, wag kang iyakin kasi para kang di lalake nyan. Lahat tayo may sariling pagiisip at kakayanan gawin kung ano man ang gusto natin gawin. Kung yung mga atenistang bianggit mo ay gumawa ng masama, hindi iyon dahil sa institusyon ng Ateneo. Katulad mo na kung puro kabalbalan at kalokohan ang pinagsasbi at pinagsusulat na parang gusto mo gumawa ng kulto o ano man, ano man ang gawin mo, it will not reflect the one who made you or the one where you came from, sarili mong desisyon yan e.

    Fr. James Reuter, S.J. wrote Ateneo’s hymn. Sa kanya ka makipag-debate pare. Napakababaw mo, akala mo lang siguro matalino ka? Pre, wake up, hindi talaga, promise! Tama na please, mas pinapakita mo lang sa mga tao na kulang ka sa aral pre, it’s not good. im telling you, whatever your plans are, it will not succeed, YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED!!

  209. October 22, 2009 3:38

    the guy who wrote this is a dumbass. Ateneo and of course DLSU (my school) are the two best educational institutions on this country! its not our fault if the rich elite like to send their children to our schools, and pay the high tuition fees because they know their kids will be getting the BEST education in the Philippines. i pity you writer since you never got the chance to study in Ateneo or DLSU, if you did, you’d understand why Ateneans and Lasallians are like that. and not stuck in ignorance and mediocrity.

  210. marc_cuban permalink
    October 22, 2009 3:38

    this one big poser is one BIG TROLL!!!

  211. October 23, 2009 3:38

    Idiots like you make for our viewing pleasure.

    Besides, you’re just pissed you didn’t pass the ACET.

  212. Anon permalink
    October 23, 2009 3:38

    Now might not be a good time to mention UP.

    lol

    UP is over 9000times better than any of your schools!!!!

    • October 23, 2009 3:38

      My domestic helper came from UP.

  213. Atenistatata permalink
    October 28, 2009 3:38

    Ok I have 3 points.

    The first there are valid points to this argument and points that are taken from stereo type.

    Secondly there are points that do make sense. And ateneans should not outrightly flame this blog, but argue sensibly.

    Third Ateneo promotes a culture of pride, not bigotry. You would be strong pressed to find an individual who does not take pride in anything as intimate as an Atenean Way of life.

    So with these three points in mind, I’d like to say, that yes, we can be bigots, but not it is a not a social defect unique to the atenean. There are UE students who look down on other UE students, and even on Ateneans. Just as as there are Ateneans who look up to other UE students. (Its a truth, not every Atenean will be smarter then every UE student, and just because we passed the ACET does not mean we are worth more, nor does it make us smarter. It just means that we knew and understood more concepts related to the test then others did)

    Honestly there are alot of people in ateneo who have questionable logic. Havent you ever been paird up with a group partner with no brains? Or have had Beadles that couldnt preform the simplest tasks? Or how about classmates who constantly bug you for your notes because they were incapable of following the teacher?

    the only difference between an Atenean and a UE graduate is the color and wording of their diploma. Neither one is racist, its just so happens that Ateneans have more to brag about when it comes to money and the exclusive nature of their school. So their insults pack a punch. THis however doesnt mean that UE graduates did not taunt the Atenean crowd in the games. There were individual in the UE section that said rather bigoted remarks as well.

    Point being we are not all perfect, I think it would be a fair statement to say that both sides had some unruly behavior, but ateneo had more verbal slander to be responsible for.

  214. WHATEVER permalink
    October 28, 2009 3:38

    I’m for UA&P and I agree.

    Ateneans only come of as mayabang because they have a reason to be. Passing that test and affording that school are two things that arent easy to do.

    I”m kinda ticked off though. Lol. I mean. NO one mentioned UA&P at all. Its not that I want negative attnetion drawn to my school. it just seemed like no one cared to write anything about it.

    I love it, and maybe one day we can compete in UAAP

  215. jecho permalink
    October 29, 2009 3:38

    you all got nice schools…too bad….they admitted you with BAD/Unethical/Unprofessional values…..:-)

    my school is the best….
    no..mine is the best…..
    i have an expensive tuition fee….i passed the exam…your school is ___!

    im more intelligent than you…your school is _______

    Whatever….enjoy life till you can..hope GOD will reward you in the after life…
    disgrace other people with regards to their choices, school, family, educational background and lifestyle….ask yourself..is this what makes you HAPPY and PROUD?

    your intelligent….but NOT WISE!🙂

  216. November 1, 2009 3:38

    gO FEU!!! gO TMARAWS…home of the champs n!!! matatalino pa…..!!! yan ang dugong FAR EASTERN UNIVERSITY….tinuturng na kapatid ang ibang univesites…gO UNIVERSITIES OF THE PHILLIPINES (all universities…) lets fight for the education of our country…GOD BLESS..PROUD TAMARAW..!!

  217. November 7, 2009 3:38

    “Hindi nga niya alam na magkaiba ang Socialism sa National Socialism ng Nazi Germany.”

    Ang bobo naman nito! Taenista este Atenista ka nga! lol! Kung hindi, isa kang pitiful defender of communism. Nagpauto naman kayo sa mga sinasabi ni Karl Marx na may difference between communism and socialism. Mga bopols. Iho, it’s what they call semantic corruption. You don’t define words, ika nga nila. You define the concept of a particular word. Karl Marx’s socialism is about state ownership of the means of production and the abrogation of individual rights. That you must serve the state. Hitler’s socialism is just a semantic conditioning. It’s his crude way to get the support of the laborers and the common people, idiot! But in fact it’s fascism… Of course they don’t teach that in school. It’s up to you to analyze events and concepts. These are not exact science… Hitler’s socialism (which is in truth and in fact fascism) and Karl Marx’s socialism are under the same roof– that is collectivism. So it’s really a struggle between collectivism and individualism. Parang si Gloria rin yan… kung sinasabi niyang democratic yong pamamahala niya, you’re a fool kong nauto ka niya… haha!
    So sinong bobo? Masyado mo kasing dinamdam tong article na to… You don’t really understand the purpose of the author’s blog. So that means you’re stupid!

  218. November 11, 2009 3:38

    For many decades, the leftists have been propagating the false dichotomy that the choice confronting the world is only: communism or fascism—a dictatorship of the left or of an alleged right—with the possibility of a free society, of capitalism, dismissed and obliterated, as if it had never existed.

    Some “moderates” are trying to revive that old saw of pre-World War II vintage, the notion that the two political opposites confronting us, the two “extremes,” are: fascism versus communism.

    The political origin of that notion is more shameful than the “moderates” would care publicly to admit. Mussolini came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Italy. Hitler came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Germany. It is a matter of record that in the German election of 1933, the Communist Party was ordered by its leaders to vote for the Nazis—with the explanation that they could later fight the Nazis for power, but first they had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism and its parliamentary form of government.

    It is obvious what the fraudulent issue of fascism versus communism accomplishes: it sets up, as opposites, two variants of the same political system; it eliminates the possibility of considering capitalism; it switches the choice of “Freedom or dictatorship?” into “Which kind of dictatorship?”—thus establishing dictatorship as an inevitable fact and offering only a choice of rulers. The choice—according to the proponents of that fraud—is: a dictatorship of the rich (fascism) or a dictatorship of the poor (communism).

    That fraud collapsed in the 1940’s, in the aftermath of World War II. It is too obvious, too easily demonstrable that fascism and communism are not two opposites, but two rival gangs fighting over the same territory—that both are variants of statism, based on the collectivist principle that man is the rightless slave of the state—that both are socialistic, in theory, in practice, and in the explicit statements of their leaders—that under both systems, the poor are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of a ruling clique—that fascism is not the product of the political “right,” but of the “left”—that the basic issue is not “rich versus poor,” but man versus the state, or: individual rights versus totalitarian government—which means: capitalism versus socialism.

    The main characteristic of socialism (and of communism) is public ownership of the means of production, and, therefore, the abolition of private property. The right to property is the right of use and disposal. Under fascism, men retain the semblance or pretense of private property, but the government holds total power over its use and disposal . . . .

    Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens . . . .

    Under both systems, sacrifice is invoked as a magic, omnipotent solution in any crisis—and “the public good” is the altar on which victims are immolated. But there are stylistic differences of emphasis. The socialist-communist axis keeps promising to achieve abundance, material comfort and security for its victims, in some indeterminate future. The fascist-Nazi axis scorns material comfort and security, and keeps extolling some undefined sort of spiritual duty, service and conquest. The socialist-communist axis offers its victims an alleged social ideal. The fascist-Nazi axis offers nothing but loose talk about some unspecified form of racial or national “greatness.” The socialist-communist axis proclaims some grandiose economic plan, which keeps receding year by year. The fascist-Nazi axis merely extols leadership—leadership without purpose, program or direction—and power for power’s sake.

  219. November 17, 2009 3:38

    Froilan,

    WIN OR LOSE
    First of all, this is from the AdMU site:

    ” ‘A Song for Mary’ speaks more clearly and more ardently from the Atenean’s heart. Life is not merely about competition or about assailing enemies ‘in strong array.’ The struggle is, as in chivalry, for one’s Lady. And the Ateneo’s own Lady is no less than Mary, the Mother of God, and our own mother. The aim is not merely victory, but steadfast faith and commitment—to keep ‘constantly true’, whether we win or lose.”

    The song was adopted “three decades earlier” than 1980, and AdMU joined the UAAP in 1978. Let us agree, then, that the line “Win or lose, it’s the school we choose” was not written with basketball in mind. (I don’t think Fr. Reuter was that stupid; he is a good writer, in fact.)

    There is, I agree with you, a deeper meaning. (I am not calling it bigotry, though.)

    The line “win or loose, it’s the school we choose” reminds me of a British boxing fan who was asked why he was rooting for Pacquiao instead of Hatton. He said: “Why? Because I’m British, I’d go for Hatton? It doesn’t work that way. I’ve seen how Manny fight and how he prepares for his fights.”

    This man is being objective. He roots for Pacquiao based on, in Ayn Rand’s words, objectively verifiable standards: fighting ability and quality of training. He does not base his choice on race (being British). Does this resemble that line of the alma mater song? My answer is, yes. An Atenean, or any student for that matter, who embraces such a line will not mind losing (in sports, business, life) as long as his ties with the school are intact. For all we know, to such an individual, school ties (and everything that springs from it) are a higher value than personal ambition, personal victory and wealth. Remember that the Ateneo is a Jesuit school; their ideal is: person for others. Hence, win or lose, it’s the school they choose. Win or lose, they are “constantly true” to their ideal. But if you ask me, a losing Atenean (in any field) is
    worse than, say, a college drop-out who builds a business and create jobs and funds charities in the process.

    Their ideal clashes with your morality, as it does it mine. You keep telling them to check their premises. Well, they are aware of it, and they have chosen to live it. Is it a moral way of life? Based on the standards of Objectivism, it is not. Does it rest upon a fundamental contradiction? If you understand Ayn Rand’s concept of self-sacrifice and self-interest, you would know that the answer is yes. (I do not wish to elaborate on this further.)

    ACADEMIC BIGOTRY
    Your definition of academic bigotry is flawed, one of the reasons why I think your argument falls apart. You defined academic bigotry as “identification by one’s capacity to send himself to a so-called elite school”. If by “one’s capacity” you meant financial capacity, then you are neglecting intellectual ability.

    Being able to study at the Ateneo is not just about financial capacity. Many rich kids don’t pass the ACET, and some of those who do still get kicked out later. Still, there are students who are on financial scholarship, who don’t have the “capacity to send themselves” to Ateneo. It takes intelligence to enter–and survive–the Ateneo. And intelligence is a value to Ayn Rand. Now how a student uses his intellectual ability while inside the Ateneo is his own decision.

    If by “one’s capacity”, you did mean intellectual ability, then there was no point citing those tirades (tuition nyo, baon ko lang; poor kayo!) to establish academic bigotry, because then these comments would be irrelevant. As for those online taunts and attacks, you very well know that they are the kind of ad hominem arguments Ayn Rand herself would not have cared answering.

    The other reason why I think your argument fails is that you have decided to fight on their grounds. You may not be aware of it, but you actually accepted their premises.

    You wrote:

    “What does this bigoted slogan mean? It means that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing– that before they can be recognized as part of the elite system- or as part of the human race, so to speak- they must be Ateneo graduates. It means that men of ability like Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Chief Justice Renato Puno, and many great Filipinos who did not graduate from Ateneo are nothing. It means that greatness and prestige are something that is automatic, unearned, anointed or decreed.”

    You gave the meaning, accepted it, and then went on with your arguments. That line from the AdMU alma mater does NOT mean that 99 percent of Filipinos are nothing. The fact that Ateneans value the school they come from and their school’s ideals above personal victory does not negate the success of others. It does not render 99 percent of Filipinos nothing. It does not render you nothing.

    It only means that success, wealth, personal achievement, and personal victory are possible even to someone who is not an Ateneo graduate, like Manny Pacquiao, Soccoro Ramos, or Ayn Rand herself.

    It does not mean that greatness and prestige are automatic, because they are not. They are standards of self-worth for second-handers. They are second-hand values derived from other people’s valuation of your work–and who cares about prestige and greatness?

    • November 17, 2009 3:38

      I have addressed all the issues you raised here in my previous blogs: Update to Academic Bigotry, The Philosophy of Academic Bigotry, Self-Interest Versus Altruism, My Long Journey from Faith to Reason, and Why I Wrote My Academic Bigotry Blog. I don’t see any reason to repeat them. When I included that sports mantra of Ateneo in my original blog, my purpose was to attack the morality of altruism and faith-based dogmatism that infected most religious schools in this country. In effect, although peripherally, I attacked religion because it is wrong or evil to forgo reason and to take things on faith. Do not focus on that Ateneo mantra because that’s just part and parcel of my goal- to unleash the evil of altruism and and faith-based collectivism being propagated by theocratic schools.
      No, I am not convinced that you understand the premise of my blog, as well as the philosophy of Objectivism. Try to read Ayn Rand’s Racism.

      • Alvin permalink
        November 19, 2009 3:38

        You know what I really get? You’re just pretending to be smart but in reality you are not. And your other articles? They all suck! Your demand for a public apology in one of your blogs? Geesh, ang babaw!
        You’re not objective, you’re just pretending to be one so just shut the hell up!

      • WIJG permalink
        November 19, 2009 3:38

        Hi, Froilan.

        I have read Ayn Rand’s Racism long before I stumbled upon your blog. I understand Objectivism, but I admit that there is still much to learn. As one Objectivist blogger said, one will be surprised how much there is to learn outside of reading Ayn Rands book’s. Enrolling at the ARI or attending a OAC conference is a good way to start studying further.

        I understand the premise of your blog, or at least, this particular post. What I don’t understand is that you claim that your “purpose was to attack the morality of altruism and faith-based dogmatism that infected most religious schools in this country”. I don’t see that you did. (Your post Self-Interest Versus Altruism is a good piece, however.)

        Nowhere in this post did you “attack the morality of altruism”. You neither mentioned the term nor defined it. You did not cite examples of altruism or altruistic acts and gave no reasons why these are evil. You did not make a clear connection between altruism and the behavior of the crowd at the game, or Ateneans, or the Ateneo as an institution, or sectarian schools in the Philippines. As for “faith-based dogmatism that infected most religious schools in this country”, yes, you touched on the subject, lightly, and probed no further. What you claim to be your purpose was not achieved. I agree, however, to some points you made, such as the nature of pride and self-esteem, and the primacy of reason over faith.

        I still don’t have a clear picture of your “academic racism”. It is not clear whether you are placing racism in the same hierarchy as Ayn Rand does. I think it would have been more effective and clearer if you had talked about the collectivism underlying school rivalry in sports (and in the hiring preferences in the Philippines–this latter I know you have.)

        I also agree that such “academic racism” or elitism is a “quest for unearned self-esteem”. I say this only in the sense that a person’s worth and success is determined by his/her own individual achievement, not the achievements–or failures–of fellow students or the alumni body.

      • Alvin permalink
        November 20, 2009 3:38

        Tang Ina Mo! ang panget na nga ng mukha mo, bobo ka pa! You’re nothing!

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      • Alvin permalink
        November 24, 2009 3:38

        2009 October 7 Mapagmataas na Atenista (sabi mo) permalink
        Kunin natin yung laylayan nung talakayan mula sa konteksto ng ipinahihiwatig mong pilosopikal na diskurso. Sige. Tungkol diyan, ito lang ang masasabi ko: na para sa isang taong nakaiintindi ng sapat upang gumamit ng mga pangalan at konsepto na katulad nang mga ginamit mo, napakadali naman yata para sa iyo na magkabit ng mga tatak sa tao, na parang nangongomodipiko ka lang.

        Aha. Galit ka sa kolektibismo. Maaaring sang-ayon ako sa iyo na oo, may indoktrinasyon sa partikular na uri ng pag-iisip sa Ateneo. Pero itatanong ko lang sa iyo: sa ibang paaralan kaya’y wala? At habang nariyan rin lang naman tayo ay, oo nga pala, gobyerno ang nagpapatakbo ng UP, pero ang karamihan sa kanila ay kritikal sa gobyerno. Kaya hindi mo rin maaaring sabihin na sa lahat ng kaso ay totoo ito (at oo, uunahan na kita, ipinahiwatig mo na totoo ito sa lahat ng kaso sa iyong pahayag na “I knew I would challenge not just certain schools, but also the mental or ideological structure that dominates this country.”). Dahil para sa bawat doktrina at sistema ng pag-iisip na itinuturo sa kahit saan, makikita ang pagsulpot ng halos direktang kabaligtaran nito. Sadya lang sigurong mapangutya ang mga tao (parang UAAP game lang, di kaya?)

        Nabanggit mo si Kant. Nais lamang sana kitang tanungin kung saang bahagi ni Kant mo nakuha na nagtuturo siya ng kolektibismo. Kung maaari ay nais kong marinig ang argumento mo para dito.

        Sabi nga ni Karl Popper, kung kumbinsido ka sa katotohanan ng teorya mo ay makikita mo ang mga pagpapatotoo dito sa lahat ng bagay. Kaya nagkakaroon ng mga bagay tulad ng kapitalistang baka, Marxistang kape, at fundamentalistang pandesal. Siguro ganoon ka ka-kumbinsido na totoo ang kolektibismo. O siya, eto lang ang masasabi ko tungkol diyan, mula pa rin kay Popper: “The irrefutability of a theory is not a virtue (as people often think) but a vice.” Sana’y pag-isipan mo.

        Brad, nais ko lang imungkahi na bago mo tangkaing simulan ang pagwasak sa mga paraan ng paniniwala na sa palagay mo ay hindi nararapat sa taong may huwisyo, alamin mo muna kung ano yung sinasabi mo. Hala sige, bababa na muna ako mula sa toreng garing ko ha.

        Oo nga pala. Hindi yata ako Atenista. Hindi ako nag-iingles eh.

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      • Alvin permalink
        November 24, 2009 3:38

        pansin ko lng bobong bersamina na hindi mo kayang sagutin ang mga marurunong na bumangga sa kabobohan mo, aba, ung iba ay binubura mo pa ang mga sinabi, tsk tsk tsk..

        Tas etong Maggie naman na ito, feeling magaling din! feeling mayaman na educada, e sa mga sinasabi, para namang puta na walng ginawa kung di mgpasawsaw sa kung sinoman.

        eto ang epekto ng mga sinulat mong kabobohan Bersamina. Yun nga palang blog mo sa facebook tinanggal mo na? Bkt? Babaw no? kaya pare, mg-aral ka munang mabuti, kulang ka pa. Di mo kaya ang mga atenista, hindi mo kaya ang mga lasalista, mga tomasino at ang mga taga UP. hindi ka nga pinalad na mkapasok dun e. Kaya wala ka na magawa kung di hanapan ng mali ang mga institusyon na ito. Ano ang lumabas? Lumabas lang na ngkukunwari ka lang at nakahanap ka ng mga disipulo mong bobo din para sumunod syo. Kawawa naman sila, imbis na ipamulat mo sa katotohanan, binubulag mo sa kabobohan mo. Maawa ka naman sknila!

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      • November 24, 2009 3:38

        Is that enough, John Alvin Guce (alvin_guce@yahoo.com)? If I’m not mistaken this is your Facebook account http://www.facebook.com/people/Alvin-Guce/100000158053898 . Don’t betray your “self” too much…

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